A Tribute to Angel Pagan

by
Greek Giant

 Angel Pagan was a good Giant. Often a polarizing figure to some fans, Crazy Horse experienced an up and down career in Left Field for the Giants. Who could forget his inside the park walk off homer in 2013? At his best Pagan was a dynamic player leading off for the Giants. While not known for his defense, he was capable of spectacular plays and the occasional miscue. His combination of speed and switch-hitting abilities made him a key part of the 2012 World Series Championship.

I always loved Pagan’s intensity, that raging sweaty black hair and beard, and that salute to teammates. It is interesting how many Giants fans criticized him. I think he was a polarizing figure because of his intensity. The wrath Pagan inspired might say something about the cultural divide between some fans and how Angel plays the game with such extroverted passion.

Angel Pagan 2012 Highlights


It is likely, if rumors are to be believed, that the Giants will not re-sign him and he will remain a free agent. Where Pagan, the 35 year-old Puerto Rican native will end up is anybody’s guess at this point. It seems the free agent market is not kind to aging outfielders with an injury history.

The Grand Slam Against the Pirates

Pagan rebounded nicely last year to have a respectable season at the plate hitting a career-high 12 home runs with 55 RBI’s mostly at the top of the order. Pagan is a player I believe whose contributions go beyond the statistical. What he lacked in arm strength and defensive consistency he made up for with a rare commitment to playing hard and a cheerleading philosophy that kept the fire burning in those chilly Willie Mays Field games.

The Inside the Park Homer

If he played his last game as a Giant I will miss him. Farewell Angel and thanks for the memories!

  • Breckeroni was actually a huge Pagan fan and never agreed with the vitriol that the Oracle had for Crazy Horse.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      I think Chief Seattle may know Crazy Horse.

  • I remember when my mom – at the age of @ 89 – kept handing me these size #2 envelopes to mail for her.

    Every week she handed me about 6 new envelopes neatly addressed in cursive to various dignitaries like her Catholic pastor, the SF Bishop, out of town priests and the Vatican. Come to find out that she wanted to change or challenge the church’s belief that ones physical body needed to be buried in the “ground” and thus she wanted to be cremated. At that time she had found out that if one sent letters to abc/xyz – she could be granted permission for her wishes. I know mom was smiling up top when they passed around this sad photo awhile back.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad2a4de47c6f204dbf44456e22342aea5c7b66df71a80272c93e958c92ea921a.jpg

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Los Dodgers doing some tire kicking on Ian Kinsler…

    https://twitter.com/LasMayores/status/798976177696362504

    • When Kinsler was traded from his then Detroit Tigers to the Rangers he immediately went into by ball player quote Hall of Fame. “I hope they go 0 and 162”

    • Bail-o1947

      Whoooaaaaaa

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Message from the UC Davis Interim Chancellor to campus community:

    “We confront and
    reject all manifestations of discrimination, including those based on race,
    ethnicity, gender and gender expression, age, visible and non-visible
    disability, nationality, sexual orientation, citizenship status, veteran
    status, religious/non-religious, spiritual, or political beliefs,
    socio-economic class, status within or outside the university, or any of the
    other differences among people which have been excuses for misunderstanding,
    dissension or hatred. We recognize and cherish the richness contributed to our
    lives by our diversity. We take pride in all our achievements, and we celebrate
    our differences.”

    Amen

    Together we’re human beings.

    • Bail-o1947

      Whoaaaaaaa

    • PerSpeier35

      They just don’t want rebel English professors to get out of line.

      • The left-handed ones are THE worst!

        • Bail-o1947

          Highest ERA?

    • The Oracle

      The PS was “As you all know, the “political beliefs” section of the above statement was included only because it sounds good. You may remain secure in the knowledge that our universities will remain the safe spaces where the political beliefs of those who disagree with us will be shouted down and silenced. Our campuses will continue to be the places where free expression is tolerated the least.”

      • DrLefty

        A Ph.D. student here in town had a swastika painted on his apartment wall over the weekend. Yes. We will not “tolerate” that kind of “free expression” at UCD. Sorry.

        • The Oracle

          Unfortunately, pretty much any non-liberal viewpoint is treated as if it were a swastika. That’s the problem.

          • DrLefty

            That’s a pretty broad generalization, so it’s hard to agree or disagree with. And since you’re not actually here, I question your ability to judge what we do or do not tolerate at UCD, any more than I can judge police procedure in tense situations. I’ve never “shouted down” or “silenced” anyone in my classes for any reason, nor would I allow other students to do so.

          • The Oracle
          • DrLefty

            Right, because protestors at a speaker event represent the whole campus community.

            C’mon. You got in my face once about taking a cheap shot about police violence, and rightfully so. You’re taking one now about university discourse, and you know you are. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Chancellor Hexter’s message that Scout posted.

          • The Oracle

            That was from two seconds of googling. I found similar stories from a few years ago. Of course they don’t represent the views of every student or employee, but I think you would have to agree that, in general, universities have become places where the free exchange of ideas is met with resistance. It was a great message, but words without actions are meaningless. Hopefully, those words will have meaning.

          • DrLefty

            No, I don’t think I’d agree with that generalization. I’d say the university is a place that aims to promote critical thinking, grappling with new ideas, and looking at all sides of a problem. But one has to balance that with promoting respect and civility in the classroom and on campus. It is hard to do both. But it is possible.

          • channelclemente

            What you need to concern yourself with is that Google tailors its order of response to your historical search habits.

          • The Oracle

            Everyone in that story was fully clothed.

          • The Oracle
          • DrLefty

            I agree the whole trigger warnings/safe spaces thing is seriously overdone. However, there are situations where instructors do have a responsibility to consider their students’ needs and experiences. It depends on the nature of the class and on the material.

            There was a video I used to show in my intro to linguistics class on different dialects in American English. It was a documentary with people from all over the country being interviewed about their attitudes towards language. In one interview, the speaker used the “N”-word. There were others where the speakers used profanity. I would give a 30-second explanation to my class before showing the video that these were authentic, unscripted interviews and that offensive language was occasionally included. I wouldn’t call it a “trigger” warning–more like a “rating” before a movie or TV episode. I still showed the video because it was a good fit for the teaching objectives, but it seemed appropriate and polite to acknowledge to students that even though I was showing it, that didn’t mean I condoned all the words used.

          • Bail-o1947

            çük, kafalı

          • The Oracle

            Hey Scout, did you create another friend to play with? Where’s this one from?

          • Bail-o1947

            Istanbul.

          • Bapah

            Or, as we call it here, Byzantium.

          • Bail-o Yo Ho.

            Constantinopolis
            Κωνσταντινούπολις
            Ḳosṭanṭīnīye

            Fair winds and following seas, Captain Baps.

      • Bail-o1947

        göt deliği

      • channelclemente

        LOL. You haven’t been on many College campuses lately?

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      I take it as a good thing that the Oracle is blocked.

  • channelclemente

    The White sox, according to ESPN are offering players they control for three years or less, including Jose Abreu, Chris Sale, Todd Frazier, Melky Cabrera and others for trade.

    • Keep’n It Real

      MLB Radio was saying last night (Jim Bowden) that the Dodgers have talking to them about Todd Frazier and Chris Sale. Apparently Turner wants a Pablo-esque deal.

      • DrLefty

        The Dodgers could have had Todd Frazier last year. Instead of just a straight-up trade with Cincinnati for him, they sent their prospects to Cincinnati and took the White Sox prospects while Frazier went to the CWS in a three-team deal. At least two of those prospects (Trayce Thompson and Frankie Montas) spent most of the season injured.

        They got a little too fancy, and now they’d have trade more prospects to get Frazier.

        • Keep’n It Real

          In the words of Ed McMahon, “I did not know that.”

        • They could/would have been even scarier at the plate …

          • DrLefty

            Unwind two of Friedman’s trades and the Dodgers’ infield is:

            1B AGon
            2B D. Gordon
            SS Seager
            3B Frazier

            Now, THAT’s kind of scary, even when you acknowledge how well Turner played for them.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Now kicking tires on 40+ HR guy, Dozier.

  • Bail-o1947

    Whoa Sitting Bull

  • Bail-o1947
  • Mr. Sarcastic

    This place has gone off the rails in the off-season …

  • Still love the first photo of Andres the Forever Giant’s reaction. Torres was a very thoughtful man. Many in the dugout would say every time he walked by – he would say hello like he had just met you.

  • Sgbssfg

    Thanks GG. I, too, will miss Angel. Another thing I really appreciated was how great he was with the children who joined him in the outfield during the Sunday afternoon pregame. He was usually talking to them at their level.

    Yes, there were adventures in the outfield, but more good than bad.

  • channelclemente

    Thanks for this piece, GG. Fair is fair.

    • WAY way fair. When healthy and when motivated Pagan WAS the straw that stirred the Giant Drink, like it or not they played better when he was IN the lineup.

      Did he cause extra pitches to be thrown by staff? Yes
      Did the same OF antics cause runs? Rarely.
      Did the same OF antics cause Losses in the Loss column? Not really.

      The positives FAR outshone the negatives.

  • Romo is a class act – AND – he never plays another down for Jerry

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw1GXGIFtVA

    • channelclemente

      A ’49ers prospect?

      • Sure ..

      • Lunch_Box

        Doubt any top or above avg. FAs will want to go to Santa Clara.

  • Nice brotherhood among ball players
    https://twitter.com/RichAurilia35
    Rich Aurilia
    Congrats to my best buddy and business partner Dave Roberts – Cancer survivor, Manager of the year, but most of all, a great human being. Proud of you buddy.

    *UCLA alum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Roberts_(outfielder) with a strong dad and mom:
    Said his dad: “We have no choice about where we were going,” Waymon would tell his family, which by then included a daughter, Melissa. “But we have a choice of who we are going to be when we get there.”

    *Waymon Roberts, an African-American man from outside Houston, enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1968. He met and married a Japanese woman, Eiko. Their son, Dave, was born in 1972, and for the next 26 years they moved from military base to military base, a requirement of the life. It began for Dave in Okinawa, where his father was stationed repairing radios. Waymon soon was transferred to Southern California, then to other bases in California, to Okinawa again, to North Carolina, to Hawaii, back to California. It’s where Dave grew up, in two- and three-year sequences, from one neighborhood to another, these friends to those friends, this life to that.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Good moments by Pagan…but it was time for him to move on…and that’s all I’m going to say about that.

  • channelclemente

    Apparently Android phone users have an issue.

    http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/android-firmware-is-spyware/

  • DrLefty

    Friday is the deadline for teams to add prospects to their 40-man rosters or risk losing them to the Rule 5 Draft. The Giants currently have 35 players on their 40-man roster. Below is the list of those they have to decide about. Remember that this is how Joe Biagini ended up being a stud reliever for Toronto this past season.

    Eligible for Rule 5 draft: Moronta, Slania, C.Johnson, Gomez, Snelten, G. Cabrera, Rogers, Horan, Bednar, Young, Knight, C.Jones, McCasland.

    • HaakAway

      But if someone picks up a Rule V player they have to make their 25-Man or they come back to their original team. Hard to see any of these guys able to make a 25-Man except Tyler Rogers. He is one the Giants need to add to their 40-Man. TWG scouts can weigh in on that here.

      • DrLefty

        My guesses: Slania, Moronta, C. Johnson, Rogers, Horan.

        • HaakAway

          Don’t they have to leave a few spots for players acquired?

          • DrLefty

            They can drop players off their current 40 either now or when they sign or trade for new players. I can think of a couple of possibilities.

        • HaakAway

          I forgot Tyler Horan had a much improved year at Richmond with a 120 wRC+ after just a 91 in San Jose the year before. He has figured something out and is another OF that they might want to keep.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Chase’s mysterious injury riddled season probably enables the Giants to expose him.
          Never heard what the deal was, Richmond is kind of a black hole when it comes to Giants reporting. Slania is the next Biagini, right?

    • Efrain

      I’m sure if you did the whole research every team has a Joe Biagini story.

      In the big picture of a season its nothing more than a blip.

  • channelclemente

    A comprehensive listing of fake news websites on Facebook. http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/fake-news-sites-list-facebook/

  • DrLefty

    So give it up to ME for correctly picking Scherzer as the NL Cy winner!

    • “give it to me” – is a bad visual for a family show.

      • DrLefty

        You missed a word.

        • Up or down – I thought were built in ?

          • The Oracle

            You are one strange, creepy guy.

          • Your ex’s never thought that way Malloy. How about throwing some plates around in your work out room with a few of your pals. Get some of that testosterone depleted.

    • 2holehitting

      He can have it. We got our Series. Now on to the next 3……

    • Lunch_Box

      “Doesn’t that deserve a little praise.
      So put your hands together and help her along.”

    • Efrain

      I said Scherzer as well while most of you were salivating over the rest of the pitchers. To me it was an easy call.

      • DrLefty

        Yep. Led the league in wins, innings, strikeouts, and WHIP. Second in average against. The only category that he wasn’t on top was ERA. Too much starry-eyed Cubs love, I guess.

  • DrLefty

    Wow, Verlander finished second (137 to 132 points) despite having by far the most first-place votes. He had 14, and the “winner,” Porcello, had 8. Two Tampa-area writers left him completely off the ballot, which is absurd, and cost him the award.

    Bumgarner came in fourth, and Cueto sixth. Nice for Bum except that his bonus kicks in with a top-3 finish. Hope he doesn’t think too much about all that run support he didn’t get and all those leads the bullpen blew after he left the game. He should have had at least 22 wins, IMO.

    • Lunch_Box

      He got Cain’d!!!

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Just finished assessing big project. Many hours. Much repetitive motion. Loads of data recorded.

    Gonna go pick up some fire water.

  • DrLefty

    I don’t know this ESPN B-team calling the Warriors/Raptors game, but they seem pretty good to me. Good analysis, knowledgeable about both teams, even-handed. In a word: professionals.

    • Lunch_Box

      If Rudy Ortiz hasn’t proven that he’s a chuckle-head or an attention-seeker, this video on the Warriors and KD just shows it:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqxdsQEYJ8g

    • Matthew

      Who called it, Dr.? I watched CSN

      • DrLefty

        Somebody with Hubie Brown. Brown was getting on my nerves in the fourth quarter as he was openly rooting for Toronto–“Yes!” When they made shots & “coaching” them–but I actually think he just wanted a competitive game and for the young Toronto team to make a good run at the Warriors. He said a lot of really nice things about how the Warriors play, too, so I don’t think it was bias.

        Oh, and rumors of the Warriors’ demise are premature.

        • Matthew

          Durant is as special as was hoped….and Dray is settling in to -what looks to be – a more controlled and mature style. Hope that lasts….

          • DrLefty

            That skinny little guy is still pretty good, too.

          • The Oracle

            Very, but once again he displayed the lackadaisical manner and poor judgement that causes me to believe he’s as interested in putting on a show as he is in winning. Up 11 with less than two minutes to go, he jacked up two quick shots, and then followed those up with a turnover and a really dumb foul, which allowed Toronto to hang around. There’s no excuse for not working the shot clock in that situation and no reason a player as talented as he is should play that way.

          • DrLefty

            I thought there was plenty of blame to go around in that fourth quarter. At least twice I saw Durant play one-on-one hero ball and jack up a quick three inside two minutes, reminiscent of some of those bad fourth quarters with the Thunder last year. Yeah, that foul by Steph WAS dumb. McCaw gave up a three-shot foul earlier, and I thought “Well, rookie,” but no excuses for Steph.

          • Matthew

            Yeah….still pretty good.

  • DrLefty

    OK, Kate Upton is mixing it up with folks on Twitter because she’s so outraged that fiancé Justin Verlander didn’t win the Cy. She’s badmouthing Porcello, getting her facts wrong (Porcello “didn’t get any first-place votes”), and persistently saying “your” when she means “you’re.”

    Loyalty is good, but maybe Kate needs to stick to…well, whatever it is that she does. Video games or something?

    • channelclemente

      LOL, ‘gamer babe’??

      • Noce

        Ok that was a good use of the phrase.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      “They’re called boobs, Ed”

    • Bapah

      But… she always looked so much smarter than she, apparently, is.

      • Bapah

        …especially when scantily dressed.

    • Lunch_Box

      She’s overrated. She’s thinking with her heart rather than logic. You know she’s in love.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Congrats to Mad Max and Slick Rick.

    Max picks up his 2nd CY, one for each league and dang if he didn’t finish 5th in the voting in the two intervening years betwixt the big prize.

    No wonder he’s the #2 ranked pitcher in the Bill James ranking system, behind you know who. Rick Porcello moves up to #12, from 62, right behind #11 Kyle Hendricks, who was also very CY worthy. Ol’ Corey Kluber is worthy CY guy too.

    http://www.billjamesonline.com/polls_ratings/starting_pitcher_rankings/

  • dgg

    Alex has a new podcast with prospects Aramis Garcia and Ryder Jones!

    Haak, do you remember if you started My Guy while Alex was at the helm? I swear he reads us still.

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/page/giants-insider-podcast-alex-pavlovic

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Ryder Jones 1 for 3 with RBI single, BB, K, batting .302 for AFL.

      Garcia is below the Mendoza, I believe.

      • HaakAway

        Yes, MyGuy™ Aramis is cooled way down. He had an injury (HBP) plagued season in SJ but he moved his wRC+ up from 68 to 83. Catcher is a position that offers advancement these days and I will keep him in my stable.

        • 22’sSweetSwing

          He got some bones in his face crushed by tag trying to steal 2nd I believe. Or maybe it was sliding into a guys knee at second on a steal. Off to finish the MyGuys (cross fingers) now.

    • HaakAway

      Alex was getting plenty of time with us and added some momentum for sure. Thanks for the news link.

      VegasGiantsFan seemed to be the one that kept bringing us new players to watch and many of us started to chime in. That reminds me that we need to look in on the Merc stie once in a while and check for GEStragglers™ who are in Giants limbo and never made the jump to TWG. Lost baseball-souls; victims of circumstances who got busy at the wrong time and suddenly were adrift at sea and lost to us.

  • Scout Finch Baseball
    • 610nm

      all for one, and one for all.

    • Bapah

      It seems the Neanderthals were left out of this excursion map. I know they were in France for a brief spell. Were they just overlooked?
      Then, there are the space aliens; where did they land? Africa? Burbank?

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Peru, I do believe. With a stop over in Glendale, so you were close.

    • Doughnut

      God bless the Americas

    • Anti-Lasorda

      This is out of date. They also know people came to the Americans over the ice sheet from Europe and settled on the American East coast.

      • channelclemente

        You’re right, but there appears to be no genetic remnant of those migrations. That’s kind of an open mystery as I understand it.

  • DrLefty

    Just re-watched that video of Angel’s ITPHR that George posted above…so many faces that are (or are soon to be) part of our past:
    Torres
    Scutaro
    Angel
    Vogey
    Romo
    Blanco
    Pablo

    …and, of course, FLANN. Miss that guy. They were a special bunch. I’m still getting used to half the Warriors team being different this year, and I’m ten times more attached to our Giants champions.

    • The Oracle

      But fortunately The Oracle, who was the blur sitting in the first row, next to the right field foul pole, is still here.

      • Sad
        You deserve better seats

      • DrLefty

        Really, you were at that game? Very cool. Allen probably was–it was a Saturday day game, and he usually went to those.

    • totalfan62

      We are so blessed. I venture to say that the fan bases of at least half of MLB teams deeply wished they had at least one year’s worth of what we’ve enjoyed over the past seven seasons.

  • DrLefty

    Ken Rosenthal sides with Kate, and I agree with both of them: Leaving Verlander completely off the ballot is pretty indefensible.

    http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/kate-upton-has-a-point-baseball-must-do-better-with-awards-voting-111616

    • totalfan62

      Gotta say I was amused by Kate Upton’s tweet…”I thought I was the only one allowed to f*** Justin Verlander”.

      • Bail-o1947

        A real classy lady.

      • Doughnut

        That was a good one. Its hard to justify leaving him off the ballot, so she has a point

      • John Victory Faust

        Call me a pig, but in my book if your fiancé is a supermodel with a naughty mouth, you’ve already won the Cy Young Trophy of life!

      • Anti-Lasorda

        I guess she’s never heard of the term road beef….

    • Efrain

      totally agree its indefensible to leave him off the list.

      What I find funny is the people commenting on the decision, it’s her husband for gods sake, what do the expect?

      Funnier is even following her on social media.

      • HaakAway

        Explanation (I hope): Off-Season baseball news drought.

      • DrLefty

        Me? Nope. Just read about it in Rosenthal’s and Olney’s columns. Why would I follow Kate Upton? I’m not even exactly sure what she does. (I know a cartoon version of her offers to lead me into war every time I finish a round of Trivia Crack, but other than that and her connection with Verlander, I have no idea.)

        • HaakAway

          Memory check: For an intro blog to announce the MyGuy™ results I am giving Vegas credit for pushing obscure minor leaguers. I think the term of “my guy” somehat evolved or was there a source that you can recall?

          • DrLefty

            I’m going to credit Footy Ryan Scout Finch for the evolution of the specific term. We’d be talking about various minor leaguers (and major leaguers) and he’d refer to certain players as “my guy.” We all started picking up on it.

            VGF definitely took the lead on promoting the minor leaguers, but there have been others–Scout, of course, and the long lost Carmot.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Boom! Can’t have a catch phrase without the annoyance of repetition!

          • dgg

            Which you’re very good at! Sorry Ryan, couldn’t resist.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            You’re not the only psychologist in the house. I know a thing or two about synapses and dendrites and stuff.

          • HaakAway

            The next Footy catch phrase: AnnoyanceOfRepetition™

          • HaakAway

            Thanks … I will give Foothill Ryan credit then. I suspected him but I miss big sections of conversation here and my memory is faulty.

          • dgg

            Will Vegas Giants Fan ever come back?

          • HaakAway

            I have reached out to him by replying to an old post of his, often linked to an email of his choice, but got to response. I do not have an email for him to try.
            I hope he appears; reason to check the Merc blog once in a while.

          • dgg

            Thanks for trying Haak.

          • Bapah

            I have it, if you don’t.

        • winebaroness27

          model and not so good actress

        • steve k

          she’s a model, that got the coveted cover of sports illustrated’s swimsuit edition a few years back. as an aside, she was blessed with an abundance of talent, when it comes to a certain body part (s). think above the waist, and below the neck.

          i only know this only from other people’s description. i’ve never actually seen a photo of her.

  • Moooooooooose
    • dgg

      There had been so little reported about the meeting that I had almost started to think I got my dates mixed up and the meeting was tomorrow. This doesn’t sound promising: “Melancon spoke highly of the San francisco Giants organization, and the meeting. He also mentioned that this will be a hard decision.”

      It’s being reported elsewhere that there is “mutual interest” between Melancon and Colorado. This article points out:

      “One thing that gets lost with fans, however, is how hard it is for families to uproot and move from city to city. Deciding where to spend the next few years of your life is never an easy choice.”

      Mark Melancon: “Ultimately I will weigh out my options and figure out what’s best for my family. It’s a tough decision.”

      • Mr. Sarcastic

        Especially when they start looking at Bay Area housing prices!!

        • dgg

          There’s no place like home.

        • Bail-o Yo Ho.

          You can moor a boat in McCovey Cove. Less expensive. And you can sell used baseballs falling from the sky, and fresh drinks to kayaks and canoes.

          • dgg

            Really Ryan. Could you go back to being you?

          • Bail-o Yo Ho.

            Missed target dgg. I presume I can assure you that I am not Ryan. He’s smarter than me, a lot.

            Ask Captain Baps for confirmation

          • dgg

            Okay, if you say so.

          • Bail-o Yo Ho.

            Thank you. It’s not nice to be mistaken for another guy.

  • cynic

    I always felt Pagan was a key to their offense, but moreso in the regular season than in the playoffs. I can’t remember him having big hits in the playoffs, especially the World Series. Am I forgetting?

    • crawnik

      If I’m not mistaken, Pagan hit either a solo HR, or a 3-run homer in Game 3 of the 2012 NLDS against the Reds in an 8-3 win.

      • solo homer and it was a big one

        • DrLefty

          Leadoff HR at the beginning of Game 4. Zito started, Lincecum got the win in relief.

          • crawnik

            And thank you Lefty!

        • crawnik

          Thanks GG.

  • crawnik

    NL and AL MVP’s to be named later today. I’m predicting Bryant for the NL, and Trout for the AL; even though Altuve and Betts had great seasons as well.

  • #FreePagan

    (Oracle needs a can to kick)

  • Doughnut

    Mark Trumbo and Kenley Jansen/Melancon and lock this thing up?

    Nunez
    Panik
    Pence
    Trumbomb
    Belt
    Posey
    Crawford
    Span

    • HaakAway

      Stumble-Trumbo … -11 DefRunsSaved last year.
      No thanks.

      • DrLefty

        J.D. Martinez was -22 DRS! Shudderrrrrr

        • HaakAway

          There you go … cannot give up that much Defense.
          A upper-level-closer was all the Giants needed last year as you look back at it.
          Play Mac for 150 PA then play Parker for 150 PA and trade for the veteran it that fails.
          #FreeSlater #FreeDuggar

          • steve k

            i’d rather see mac get 500 p/a, and let’s really see what he can do. i bet you would see 25 bombs, and a much better defense than we saw last year.

          • HaakAway

            I agree but in this produce-now-or-die world he might get April and May to prove himself but no further. At best IF he starts well then they extend his trial through the ASB and then start shopping if he has tailed off too much.

            What kind of start does he need to stick?
            .260 with 15 HR’s by the ASB?

          • steve k

            even as low as .240 BA, as long as he plays good defense. the power #’s are going to dictate how much playing time he gets, IMHO.

          • HaakAway

            Duvall numbers then?

          • steve k

            he will not be playing in a band box, so taking that into account, something close.

          • The Oracle

            Did you happen to catch the two HRs Duvall hit in San Francisco last season? Were you aware that he hit more on the road than he did at home?

          • steve k

            well aware, yes. i also know that he played an excellent left field. still, a smaller left makes playing defense there easier, and i would guess that some home runs he hit there would not leave AT&T.

          • channelclemente

            East coast fields are mostly band boxes as well.

          • The Oracle

            He did struggle in San Francisco, where he only managed to hit two absolute rockets in 10 ABs.

          • channelclemente

            Sample size, and regression to the mean don’t agree with you.

          • The Oracle

            Using the sample size of one season, how many Giants left fielders have matched Duvall’s season in recent years?

          • OFF TOPIC
            When you get a chance please tell me what happened here from law enforcement POV
            http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article113993203.html

          • channelclemente

            17/16, road/home. The more salient number is 7 post AS break.

          • The Oracle

            Another salient number is that the Giants’ team leader had 17, total.

          • Doughnut

            Actually am totally good with MacParker platoon next year..I think they can give us quality production at fraction of cost.

        • Anti-Lasorda

          That’s Trumboesque

      • Doughnut

        What was MM38 when we won it all?

      • Moooooooooose

        Trumbo the Elephant!

      • The Oracle

        Assuming that number actually means something in terms of runs, how many positive runs would result from 40 bombs?

  • crawnik

    BREAKING: @Athletics Managing Partner Lew Wolff transitioning to Chairman Emeritus, selling his interest in the team to remaining owners.

    • Mr. Sarcastic

      Too bad he could never get them to San Jose…

      • channelclemente

        Maybe 49er land is for sale?

        • Anti-Lasorda

          We could only hope

    • Doughnut

      All 13 Oakland A’s fans having a parade

      • Slusser will be Grand Parade Marshall

      • channelclemente

        LOL. That’s just mean.

        • 22’sSweetSwing

          but funny

      • Matthew

        Does that include Grand Marshall Footy?

    • Anti-Lasorda

      I wonder how much of that stake Billy is buying?

      • Doughnut

        He should get as much as he can. There is no reason a team in Oakland can’t do well…they might take off now.

    • channelclemente

      He can see the new profit sharing rules in MLB coming. Coupon clipping is hopefully nearing an end.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Foots the plumber just repaired leaking water heater line, and the shut off valve that went bust-o upon turning it off. Had to heat the effing pipe to get the threads to budge. This plumber did not vote Republican like Joe. That’s the way it goes. But this plumber is usually over his head and got lucky this time around.

    Other than that, sounds like the Marlins are going after Kenley Jansen.

    Well, after I cut out some yucca for the wife, it’s down the hill to work.

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      Does using that picture count as “cultural appropriation”?

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Or iconography.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Joe Hughes ‏@VegasJoe680 9m9 minutes ago
    Lew Wolff tells @KGO810 he thinks a new ballpark site in #Oakland will be announced in the next few months. #Athletics

  • From Carmen Kiew
    @jasoncollette
    So Verlander won the popular vote but Porcello won in the Electoral College?

  • channelclemente
    • Matthew

      “Except Trumbo’s cleats…they are stone”

    • cynic

      Thanks I was curious about his thoughts and missed him on Daily Show in these times.

  • 22’sSweetSwing

    I have finally calculated the scores for the players (not the participants) in MyGuys. Once it gets double checked I will be able to calculate the participants final scores.

    • Matthew

      My attempt at cool, non-traditional picks mean I went Full Casilla if I recall…

      • Scout Finch Baseball
      • 22’sSweetSwing

        Here are your picks w/out ranks PenceSamardzijaDelfinoStrattonArroyoBeede
        ForjetJebavyFoxBickford
        Which seem ok.

        • Matthew

          Better than I thought…I was convinced I was getting the Baalke ESPY

  • Matthew

    Special Blog Prayers…I’m headed into the belly of the Cubs beast….I’m quite sure the second I hit O’Hare, I will be inundated with Blue Flu.

    I forgot my foam ring hat.

  • Mr. Sarcastic
    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Get it done, Sandy. Boom.

    • Lunch_Box

      Or else what? He’ll play in South Korea or Japan?

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    Check out this description of “Gamer Day” from the SFG Promotions Dept.
    Looks like the “anti-Babe” voices have been heard:

    http://m.mlb.com/sf/tickets/info/special-events

    Gamer Day w/ Mike Krukow

    Sunday, 8/20 vs. PHI 1:05 p.m.

    On Sale at 10:00am on 11/21!

    Back by popular demand, the Giants are proud to invite all Giants fans to AT&T Park to take part in the annual Gamer Day event at AT&T Park! The term “Gamer” is often said by Giants alumni and beloved broadcaster Mike Krukow, when describing women who love Giants baseball! Over the years, it has been formalized from the passion of millions of Giants fans all across the country! On this particular day, Special Event ticket holders will receive early ballpark entry to a private Q&A session with Mike Krukow, leader of the movement, as well as a ticket to the game versus the Phillies. This “open-mic” event will include baseball chatter, stories and entertaining anecdotes from Krukow, Giants players and coaches, and other Giants Gamer supporters. The private pre-game Q&A session begins at 10:00am, with the Lefty O’Doul Gate opening up for Gamer Day ticket-holders at 9:30 a.m. In addition to admission to the pre-game event, all Special Event ticket holders will receive a limited-edition Gamer Day beanie! So grab your family, friends, and most definitely your Gamers and come to AT&T Park for an afternoon dedicated to the thousands of women who share the love of Giants baseball.

  • GSDUbs

    Trumbo in left…how difficult can that be?

    • Matthew

      That B of A llama is a better fielder.

      • GSDUbs

        Well, maybe quicker but he catches everything he gets to

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Adam Duvall says that you can get nominated for a Gold Glove by doing that very thing 🙂

          • GSDUbs

            Didn’t Bob Uecker say sort of the same thing?

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            You’re making me thirsty for a Miller Lite.

          • The Oracle

            I’m sure you watched very little of Duvall this season. Jeff Brantley, who saw every game as a broadcaster, raved about his defense.

          • Matthew

            Did Brantley have a booster seat in the broadcast booth?

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      “Not my first choice”

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Hey Clutch,

    says the Diamondbacks hired Ron Gardenhire as the bench coach for the Diamondbacks.

    With Lovello, that’s going to be a pretty solid dugout, right?

  • DrLefty

    Grant Brisbee predicts that the Giants will protect Dan Slania, Chase Johnson, and Reyes Moronta on the 40-man by the deadline tomorrow. Those were three of the five I picked–he didn’t say Tyler Rogers or Tyler Horan–but he added Gustavo Cabrera.

    Grant may be right about Horan. But I’d be surprised if they let Rogers go after a good AFL season, and I don’t think they need to worry about protecting Cabrera. No one’s taking him in the Rule 5 Draft at this stage of his career.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      What does he know? Who knows? Always a couple of locks and then a couple of coin flips. Comes down to some projections made by the Giants insiders and speculation about the market for that player in the draft. They just happened to get burned on Biagini last year.

      • DrLefty

        I’ve seen Moronta in action. He’s the lockiest of the locks, IMO. He could be on the Giants before 2017 is over. They’re not going to risk losing him.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Since “some” tickets go on sale this coming Monday, I went to sfgiants.com to see what (if any) promotions were announced, since I like the bobbleheads.

    Well…as I thought…there is a Johnny Cueto Bobblehead (a “shimmy” bobblehead) being given out on Saturday April 15th.

    My guesses for other “potential” bobbleheads this year…in May and beyond:

    – Gold Glove Bobbleheads for Panik, Buster, and Crawford…probably on same day.

    – Denard Span

    – Samardzija

    – Not sure about Moore or Nunez, since they were just added to the Giants. Maybe Moore, because of his playoff pitching.

    – If they sign Melancon or Jansen, I think they’ll get one this year…because they’ll be the big addition. Perhaps a giveaway later in the year. If they sign Chapman, I say no bobblehead this season.

    • Mr. Sarcastic

      They also have a “Giants Retro” bobblehead on Saturday June 24th… Think that might be the cool orange uniform? Which players I wonder…?

      • Keep’n It Real

        do have a link?

        • Mr. Sarcastic
          • Keep’n It Real

            Thank you

          • Keep’n It Real

            Weird…user error…didn’t see the month buttons were active.

            I find it odd that they mention “first 30,000 fans” for 6/24/17, when the Giants have been “first 40,000 fans” for a few years now; included for the Cueto bobblehead day.

            Gonna keep an eye on that date for player announcements. It would be nice if they did Mays, Clark, etc. in different era uniforms.

          • Mr. Sarcastic

            Better get in line early! Mrs. Sarcastic and I usually get in line about 30 mins before the gates open (as you know the queue is wrapped around itself 3x even that early on bobblehead days). After we score the prized possession we’ll exit and go have a glass of wine (or two.. maybe three) at District a couple of blocks away until game time.

          • Keep’n It Real

            Since they gone “first 40,000 fans”, there really hasn’t been an urgency to get there early; although we do when I drive.

            Funny how much money they aren’t spending, when they don’t have to hire extra security and all those cattle gates during bobblehead days. Well…I guess they’re still spending with the extra bobbleheads, but fan satisfaction is higher. Be curious if the cost is a push or not.

          • crawnik

            Mike Sadek in a retro uniform.

    • steve k

      how about one for mr. clutch, conor gillaspie. they should have his likeness on the bobblehead, with a smile on his face. that would really throw everyone off..

      • Keep’n It Real

        As long as it has dirt on his crotch. Dude grabs dirt, rub his hands, then checks his groin before he enters (and re-enters) the box. My friends, family, and I laugh about it…because it’s like clock-work.

    • Matthew

      I’m definitely going to Span Bobble Arm day

      • Keep’n It Real

        A little slow, but I’m now chuckling pretty good 🙂

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Was waiting for you to pounce on this ball of yarn.

  • Keep’n It Real

    SI MLB ‏@si_mlb 2m2 minutes ago
    The first big trade of the off-season is here: The Yankees have sent Brian McCann to the Astros http://on.si.com/2glo0OU

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      BOOOOMMMM!

      thanks for packing the gunpowder, KIR 🙂

      • That must mean MyGuy from Castro Valley HS via Stanfurd Jason Castro is moving on

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Jah.

          • 32-33 yr old McCann will hit some bombs at that Houston LL yard.

      • Keep’n It Real

        BTW…the RV is still parked in front of Melancon’s house. A few neighbors complained, so they drive around the block and re-park it about every 3 days. The Rockies tried the same approach, but their RV’s “wrap” was incorrectly spelled Colorado Roockies…so they had to drive away.

        • Melancon needs to know how RV friendly AT.T park is. Osich, after finding out Shooter Beck would park his RV outside of Candlestick and then San Diego Stadium decided he needed to try channeling Shooter Beck.

          BEERS included.

  • The Hot Stove Peeps are Lollygagging https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYoBOhZvBEw