Baseball America Lists Giants Top 10 Prospects for 2017

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Greek Giant

Every year Baseball America (I remember when it was just a magazine) lists the top 10 prospects for each Major League Team. For the Giants the list is interesting in more ways than one.

1. Tyler Beede, rhp

2. Christian Arroyo, ss/3b

3. Chris Shaw, 1b

4. Bryan Reynolds, of

5. Andrew Suarez, lhp

6. Ty Blach, lhp

7. Joan Gregorio, rhp

8. Sandro Fabian, of

9. Aramis Garcia, c

10. Steven Duggar, of

Tyler Beede and Christian Arroyo are no surprise. We expect, we pray, that they will contribute to the big league team by this year or next. Chris Shaw is another interesting choice. His easy power and left-handed bat along with his progression in the Minor Leagues all peg him to be a potential every day player. In fact, when he was drafted I researched him a bit and I had a feeling that he would be a sleeper prospect.

Listing Ty Blach as prospect number 6 after his two starts last season seems a bit forgetful but we can forgive Baseball America since his overall Minor League career did not exactly set hearts aflutter.

Last year’s second round draft pick, Bryan Reynolds, is an intriguing selection at number 4. He has played a grand total of 56 professional games and his numbers so far look very good. In 217 at-bats he has driven in 38 runs with a .484 slugging percentage.

Catcher Aramis Garcia is listed as number 9. The Florida International University grad was drafted in the second round in 2014 and has had an up and down Minor League career so far. Many scouts sing the praises of his defensive skills and we will have to see where he fits into the Giants plans considering the team needs a Major League capable third catcher.

I like lists like these because they help frame the narrative of prospects for each organization. I have a feeling Blach and Shaw will be important parts of the Giants in 2018. Arroyo may see some playing time in 2017. I am rooting for Tyler Beede too.

Spring Training is less than a month away!

Congratulations to Tim “Rock” Raines, one of my all-time favorite players, a very nice guy, and a childhood hero, on his induction into the Hall of Fame yesterday.

  • DrLefty

    Trumbo to the O’s, 3/$37. Bargain.

    • Blue Light Special

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Trumbombs will stay out of Coors Field (all 55 of them !).

  • Breckeroni says the Giants Top Prospects most likely – historically get screwed due to the fact that most West Coast type teams games are not seen in the mid or east coast unless it is postseason.

  • Wanna Fix Instant Replay?

    Teachable Moments presents a review of ways to fix instant replay. It’s a new year and would you believe it’s less than one month until pitchers and catchers report. If you’re a baseball fan and if you’re frequenting Close Call Sports, and there’s a really good chance you are, then you’ve probably been frustrated about the way MLB has handled replays since their 2014 expansion. I propose some ways to fix MLB instant replay in this off season addition of Tmac’s Teachable Moments. First of all, how many times have we said MLB is horrible at communication. To begin, let’s fix part of that problem.

    http://www.closecallsports.com/2017/01/tmacs-teachable-moments-lets-fix-replay.html

  • dgg

    Hey! Aramis Garcia was one of My Guys last year. He didn’t really help my ranking out much because he was out with an injury for awhile. I know one of My Guys was an exclusive pick. I’m not sure if it was Garcia or not. Probably not. Anyway, I’m going to pick him again this year.

  • Bapah

    Heard today that Carson Fulmer was pushing on the door for CWS. If he makes it up before Beede, I’m gonna be pissed. Tyler is readier than he is. A lot of these Vandy guys are working their way up to the show.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      ???

      Hey now, Fulmer was the 8th overall pick for some reason. Dude had some Lincecum to his game, but not quite.

      Walker Buehler (LAD + T.J.) may be turn out to be the best of this Vandy bunch. We’ll just have to wait and see.

      • Bapah

        Buehler, Buehler… Buehler?
        I like Fulmer; there’s nothing wrong with him. I just want to know how he beats Beede.
        Vandy may have the best collegiate program for pitchers in the country.

        • Bapah

          I keep forgetting to add that Fulmer was drafted a year behind Beede.

        • Michael Scott

          Buehler? He takes too many days off.

  • earlytimes

    Last yr…”Baseball America also treated us to one of the best parts of the annual Prospect Handbook, giving us a look at what the 2019 lineup and rotation might look like if a million-billion things go right:”

    C – Buster Posey
    1B – Brandon Belt
    2B – Joe Panik
    SS – Brandon Crawford
    3B – Christian Arroyo
    LF – Steven Duggar
    CF – Jarrett Parker
    RF – Mac Williamson

    SP1 – Madison Bumgarner
    SP2 – Phil Bickford
    SP3 – Tyler Beede
    SP4 – Adalberto Mejia
    SP5 – Sam Coonrod

    Closer – Joan Gregorio

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Bickford may be coming out of Milwaukee pen in 2019. Mejia back of Twins rotation and Coonrod out of Giants bullpen.

  • earlytimes

    Last yr B/A top 10

    Phil Bickford (prev. #3)
    Tyler Beede (prev. #2)
    Christian Arroyo (prev. #1)
    Chris Shaw (prev. #5)
    Adalberto Mejia (prev. #10)
    Sam Coonrod (prev. #6)
    Andrew Suarez (prev. #12)
    Lucius Fox (prev. #4)
    Joan Gregorio (prev. #18)
    Steven Duggar (prev. #25)

    Why no Coonrod this yr ?

  • RobDeer

    Interesting that Reynolds, Fabian and Duggar made this list while Slater is omitted.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      I’ve got Slater on mine if that makes you feel any better – think of it as a neck message.

      • RobDeer

        Message or massage? Either way, I’m intrigued.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          a message, for sure. Like a tattoo that says “Sublime – RIP Bradley”

  • Michael Scott

    The Donald was introduced at the inauguration concert today with the Rolling Stones “Heart of Stone”- the opening lyrics:

    “There’s been so many girls that I’ve known
    I’ve made so many cry, and still I wonder why
    Here comes a little girl, I see her walking down the street
    She’s all by herself, I try to knock her off her feet”

    Do his people have any clue? Well, we know that they don’t, but really…

    OOPS- down periscope. It’s getting dark.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Still waiting on Baseball Prospectus, but here are a couple other prospect lists:

    These two have a lot of similarities:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/12/20/14025292/san-francisco-giants-top-50-prospects-for-2017

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/prospect-reports-san-francisco-giants/

    Personally, I don’t view Ty Blach as a traditional prospect as he’s already served two seasons in AAA and had his big league cup of Joe. He’s pretty much a developed prospect and rookie and I feel compelled to graduate him. Same goes for Steven Okert. Mac Williamson and Jarrett Parker have definitely extinguished their prospect and rookie eligibility.

    The two links above use an A-C grading system and the other grades on the future value of prospects along the 20-80 scale. I am inclined to venture towards a third system which is a bit simpler:

    ***** prospects are rarefied and have the trappings of league superstars
    **** prospects have some star quality and could be perennial all-stars
    *** prospects have big league make up and could become all-stars, but most likely top out as regular players near league average in production
    ** prospects could become big league regulars but are most likely will serve as role players such as utility infielder or 4th outfielder. For pitchers, that would be bullpen or back of rotation. Variable projection.
    * prospects may be too young to get a handle on, and have a lot of variability in projection, but have longer shot of making the Bigs, and if so, in a role player capacity.

    For the Giants:

    *** = Beede and Arroyo
    ** = Suarez, Reynolds, Slater, Shaw, Duggar, Coonrod, Hinojosa
    *= a good number on the farm

    The younger a prospect, and the lower the level, the more chance to “gain stars”.

    • earlytimes

      Some have last yr’s 2nd rd pick Heath Quinn in the top 10.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        I’m intrigued. If you follow the fangraphs link and get into the discussion, you’ll find some reference to bad reports on Chris Shaw.

        I saw him thrice. He looked solid and like he was working on things. It wasn’t the prettiest swing, but he was getting results. I also thought he looked more athletic than reported. That OF could be a possibility.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      perhaps slap the ** designation on Joan Gregorio as well. Thinking about Heath Quinn too, but he needs another show me year (as does Reynolds, really).

      • Michael Scott

        It’s definitely time to get all het up about how our farm system gets no respect.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          If you’re looking for the next Mike Trout, you’ve come to the wrong place. But if you want asparagus, welcome!

          • Michael Scott

            Asparagus- Roasted at 450 w/olive oil and lemon. You want it charred a bit.
            Trout- filets meuniere

          • DrLefty

            I always oven-roast my asparagus, but I usually top out at 425. I’ll try it at 450. Usually just tossed with olive oil, kosher salt, and fresh ground pepper, but lemon sounds good. If I have chives, I’ll toss the asparagus with minced chives when it’s roasted.

          • Michael Scott

            Great, now I have to call you “Chef Lefty”.
            OK, all I ask of The Donald is to wait for the missiles to fly until after the baseball season is over.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            I used to grow our own asparagus. I need to start another bed.

          • Bapah

            They’re probably still there buried in the dirt somewhere.

          • Michael Scott

            BTW, I cut 3 thin slices of lemon (carefully) and drape them over the asparagus before roasting. Then I squeeze the rest of the lemon over the asparagus when it’s done. You get sort of a vinaigrette as it blends into the olive oil. To go with it you might roast a head of garlic beforehand and squeeze the cloves onto some crusty bread. Nice for a late dinner.

    • Bapah

      With your system, when did Buster get his 5 stars?

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Probably at FSU – but more like ****

    • DrLefty

      They need to update some of their stats. I’ve seen Joan Gregorio from 13 rows behind the River Cats’ dugout, and if he’s 180, then I’m still 110 like I was in high school. I’d say anywhere between 220-240. He’s gone from beanpole to imposing.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        He’s an interesting case. Great k #s at Fresno but also got hammered.

      • Bapah

        You’re right. I remember seeing him on MiLB.TV. If I recall, he looked more chubby than imposing.

  • Keep’n It Real

    NBA All-Star starters are out and Westbrook, Harden, and Curry tied in votes, but Curry and Harden got fans vote; which breaks the tie. Some are outraged, but Westbrook couldn’t lead the league in shots taken by a *wide* margin, be #2 in turnovers, and have only a 1.88 turnover/assist ratio on a contending team.

  • I don’t feel very good about this Hall of Famer remaining with us – but thumbs up with prayer – he is a battler.

    http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Names-Faces-Rod-Carew-Arsene-Wenger-10870052.php

    • Michael Scott

      Rod might be the only hitter who could just about hit the ball exactly where he wanted to hit it.

      • Rod was #1 at doing that and Tony Gwynn was not too shabby either.

        • Bapah

          If you could put a needle between 3rd and short, he’s thread it.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Josh Johnson…who the Giants signed back in November to minor league deal…is retiring.

    Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick 8m8 minutes ago
    Pitcher Josh Johnson is retiring from baseball at age 32. Great talent who could never overcome all the injuries.

  • Keep’n It Real
  • Surf Maui

    Ask the Dodgers if Ty Blach is the number 6 Giants prospect. If he’s number 6 then they are in for a long drought.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Reviewing Posey’s final minor league seasoning after ’08 draft (not much seasoning needed)…

    2009, San Jose: 346 PA, .326/.428/.540, 13 HRs
    2009, Fresno: 151 PA, .321/.391/.511, 5 HRs

    2010, Fresno: 208 PA, .349/.442/.552, 6 HRs

    Ummm yeah, ***** prospect.

    Ty Blach? **, but giving off impression of ***.

    • Bapah

      Hi A to AAA in one season. Remember there were a couple of us that saw him at FSU. He might have been OK going right to Fresno out of college.

      • GiantFrog

        I believe he could have succeeded in many ways. At FSU I saw him play shortstop, catch, and close. Did I mention hit? He was too good for that league.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Too good to be taken fifth overall.

          • GiantFrog

            D’accord

        • Bapah

          In one game he played all 9 positions.

          • Bapah

            He might even have donned the Skipper’s cap.

          • GiantFrog

            I didn’t see that game. But reflecting on his FSU career, CF might have been his only match. But then again …

  • PicoJim
  • DrLefty
    • Scout Finch Baseball

      That was good stuff. Profar would be real interesting.

      • DrLefty

        You know who has a really good second baseman?–The Marlins. He’s won a batting title, a Gold Glove, a couple of stolen base titles, and been a two-time All-Star. Yeah, the Dodgers should get someone like him.

        • DrLefty

          Oh, and what about the guy they swapped Dee Gordon out for?–Howie Kendrick. They re-signed him to a two-year deal before 2016 and then just shipped him off after this season. Why not just keep him?

          Of the various trade possibilities, they’d all cost the Dodgers dearly in prospects. But they could have just kept Kendrick, problem solved. Or not traded Gordon two years ago.

          Friedman and his merry band didn’t cover themselves with glory on this one.

        • Bapah

          You mean Dee?

          • DrLefty

            Yes. That was a bad trade. They got some useful pieces, but nothing as valuable as what Gordon has turned out to be, despite the PEDs bust. Now they’re scrounging and they had their own young homegrown guy under control for years. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

          • Bapah

            I’d prefer they stay that way. Dumb, that is.

      • Bapah

        It’s a bit of a mystery why he’s fallen on some disfavor in Tejas. He’s apparently lost his spot so that it might be something the Rangers might look at. It’s a way to get Boras out of the picture too.

        • Bapah

          I’m talking about Profar.

  • Giants going to get a awesome veteran catcher.

  • I’m happy with the new veteran catcher. I like it.

    • Alvise Contarini

      Who is?

      • HaakAway

        I see no news of this either. The USA EastCoastGuys™ should be on top of this if there is real news. stevek?

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          I think Tim Federowicz is who he speaks of.

          • HaakAway

            Back in mid-December; 29 year-old given a minor league contract
            Red Sox, Dodgers, Padres, Cubs
            .194 MLB in 304 PA

          • Bapah

            Haak, I had to reload to see your recent comments. I don’t like the things that happen on Disqus lately.

          • HaakAway

            Yeah … Scouts “One World” only showed up when I re-loaded insted of the usual blue bar at the top saying there was a new post? Why would they lose a good feature?

        • steve k

          didn’t see anything haak. thought he was talking about federowitz.

      • Bapah

        Ryan’s right, it’s Fedex.

        • HaakAway

          Thanks … and he brings a Ring from last year being a Cub.

        • steve k

          what am i? chopped liver?

          • Bapah

            You mislead us by categorizing him as a Vet and making it a guessing game. So, ,,, not exactly liver, more mystery meat.

    • HaakAway

      FedEx has been around to four other MLB but “veteran” might be a stretch.

  • Walter Guest

    I was looking at some “similars” for Red Sox players (found at the bottom of their page in Baseball Reference). I guess that is done by computer, no? Anyway, Mookie Betts has “similars” to Duke Snider and Willie Mays, and Xander Bogaerts has one to Joe Cronin. Exalted company.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bettsmo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bogaexa01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    In spirit and solidarity with non-violent demonstrations everywhere on this day of auguries.

    http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Earth-Pacific-Ocean.jpg

    • GiantFrog

      I stand side by side with you in solidarity.

    • dgg

      A day that calls for a black armband.

  • Bapah

    Finally. I made a pot of Ethiopian that tastes the way it’s supposed to. (That would be mellow and not bitter.)

  • crawnik

    Today is a special day. Pitchers and catchers report in….well, let the picture speak for itself. His number says how many days left. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/52955e6b259fba6d1919acf19b0bb74d6a358d8a1b57e38a6deb78def885e2b3.jpg

    • Bapah

      I’d be interested to see if you can do similar for every day of the count-down until they walk on the field.

      • crawnik

        I’ll see what I can do Bapah. If I do, I was going to wait until pitchers and catchers report, then start over.

        • 12xu

          For tomorrow (23), go with Jose Uribe!

          • crawnik

            I was thinking Tito, but that sounds like a good suggestion.

        • earlytimes

          My guess is you won’t be doing Hoot Evers next from that team. 😉

    • channelclemente

      He caught that ball at 420 feet in CF at the Polo Grounds.

  • Bapah

    Remember those great photos of the night sky that Allen posted here way back when? Ever think about how much of the universe those pictures included?

    Awhile back, I downloaded this photo and I was blown away. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/73a8dc81b8b98c97d87ed869f5b05b78aefea497b7ec164d3ea744687c4dd1d1.jpg

  • DrLefty

    Keith Law put out his annual rankings of teams’ farm systems. He had the Giants 20th, up one spot from last year’s #21. He noted that three of last year’s top-10 prospects were traded, that Beede’s good year offset Arroyo’s disappointing one, and that the Giants were likely to turn out fifth starters and utility infielder types from their system (which he characterized as a good thing, since they won’t have to trade for those like they did for Nunez).

    He has the Dodgers in the top 10, of course, and says that their top four have “a 20% chance of being stars” in the major leagues. One of them is Walker Buehler, the Dodgers’ first-round draft pick in 2015, who immediately had Tommy John surgery and has thrown exactly five innings in the pros.

    So with this case in point: What in the world is up with predictions like “20% chance of being a star”? No one has said Beede has a chance to be a star–mid-to-back rotation is always his ceiling, per evaluators, yet: Beede and Buehler went to the same school, Beede was drafted 10 spots higher (14th to 24th), and Beede’s overall scouting grades are higher (55 to 50). And, most importantly, Beede’s pitched two full years in the pros, stayed healthy, gotten better, and won the ERA title in AA, pitching nearly 150 innings last year.

    So on what basis is Buehler a future star and Beede just “meh”? This is an example to me of how prospect evaluators seem to be just making stuff up sometimes.

    • Kramerica

      I also think that having other top end prospects influences commentary like that (not logically of course). Beede has potential to be a star, he certainly might not be, but he has the stuff to turn into one. It’s doubtful any of the other players in the Giants system have such a chance. But your point is well taken about the 20% chance thing. That is pretty comical. Actually, I think Beede has a 22.6% chance of becoming a “star,” which of course is not quantified in and of itself.

      • 22’sSweetSwing

        what makes you think Beede has the stuff to be a star?

        • Bapah

          He has 4 major league pitches. His newly acquired cutter has developed nicely. Tidrow and staff changed his delivery some to make him more consistent. He always had good stuff, but not always good command pitch to pitch. Command and repeatability was his issue one pitch type to another and the changes are starting to pay off. I’m ready to see him up by later this season. This team is pretty conservative with their starters lately. I’d like to see the daring they had with Cain, Timmy and Bum.

          • DrLefty

            I think he’s actually going to get an opportunity to compete for the fifth starter spot this season. He probably won’t get it unless he’s brilliant while everyone else is terrible, but he’ll go to AAA and will likely be in the majors in some capacity before the 2017 season is over.

    • Noce

      My question and I don’t know the answer, is what is Law’s success rate in his predictions? Does he keep his job only because he has readers who don’t hold him accountable for his past? Or is he good at predicting future stars? I’ve heard for a few years now about the success of the Doyers farm which has been ok but not great. I’ve also heard over the years how mediocre the Giants was which produce one of the best pitching staffs, infield and a catcher named Buster. I don’t put much credence into these analysis.

    • Keep’n It Real

      I admit that his stuff is grist for the mill, but if he was as good as he thinks he is…he’d be making more $$$ than he does at ESPN…working for a MLB Team somewhere. Being fired from a MLB Team (like Law) doesn’t make you an expert.

    • Surf Maui

      Who cares how these guys rate prospects. Except for Posey and MadBum,none of the Giants home grown players–Panik, Crawford, Belt Duffy were on anyone’s radar, yet somehow we managed to win 3 WS–2 with that core.

      Let’s get a left fielder and Make the Giants Great Again ™.

      • Alvise Contarini

        The Giants are already great, by definition.

        • Surf Maui

          I know. It was a play on words

      • DrLefty

        Belt was a pretty highly ranked prospect after 2010–I think in the low 20s of all minor leaguers. But none of the rest of them made top-100 lists. Beede and Arroyo both have, though.

      • DrLefty

        The reason it matters is that teams like the Dodgers can ostensibly go out and trade for whomever they want because they have “top prospects.” The Giants, though, are immediately dismissed from any such conversations.

        • Surf Maui

          I doubt that GM’s are really paying attention to these lists. If they are they shouldn’t

          • DrLefty

            Oh, I think they are. But I agree they should be paying attention to how players are actually producing in the games.

    • Bapah

      Carson Fulmer too.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Buehler was a better pitcher than Beede at Vandy, BTW. You can look it up. I believe his draft stock dropped a bit because of some arm concerns – which turned out right. After his recovery, late last year, he featured some electric stuff that really impressed the scouts. I take it they like the life on his fastball better and perhaps the secondaries as well. So in sum, some scouts may see Buehler with higher upside.

        • DrLefty

          A better pitcher at Vandy…in 2014. That’s a long time ago. Beede’s gone on to prove himself as a pro. Buehler pitched five innings–I looked it up. I don’t think you can prove you have “electric stuff” in five innings. Scouts who are saying that are just seeing what they’ve already decided to see. Also, Beede’s scouting grades are higher overall, FWIW (55 to 50).

          Buehler might be fabulous. Good luck to him. But I think it’s ridiculous to say he’s a future star when he literally has no track record as a pro.

          • channelclemente

            MLB hitters and film analysis has a way of humbling a pitcher.

          • DrLefty

            As we’ve discussed here before, it seems a lot harder to project minor league pitchers than minor league hitters–especially a guy who came out of college and had TJ surgery.

          • channelclemente

            That’s a fact. I’ve given up projecting either until you see them in MLB competition. It’s almost a coin flip.

  • Michael Scott

    Where’s the biscuit? Where’s the biscuit?

    • Bapah

      I’ve come to the conclusion after many years of making B&G, that Jimmy Dean sausage (Hot) in a tube makes the best gravy*. Buttermilk and King Arthur flour make excellent biscuits.

      *When splurging I also use some ham and bacon to augment flavor.

      • channelclemente
      • Michael Scott

        We are having comfort food tonight ,and boy do we need it- simple roast chicken. , buttered baby peas,and pan gravy for the buttermilk biscuits and mashed potatoes. Walnut pie.
        DT gets NO biscuit. We hope.

        • Bapah

          Oven roasted in cast iron skillet, I presume.
          I start mine in hot (450°) oven. I also pre-heat the cast iron. I’ve been doing this and found the bird stays juicier. I just turn the oven off when bird hits 120°, then leave it in until breast is done. Dark meat is always done just right. (i’m not telling you this, just the eavesdroppers)

    • Scout Finch Baseball
  • Alvise Contarini

    My wife is becoming jealous of a woman, and she is not Erin Andrews.
    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8612479/donna-carpenter-burton-ceo-womens-march/

  • Surf Maui

    There aren’t words to describe this

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vPw-Om2Xf5I

    • Yes! The greatest performance in postseason history by any player!

      • channelclemente

        That was a night for the ages. It just about defies description. You just look at that performance and shake your head in wonderment.

        • Andres The Forever Giant

          I was so nervous after the Game 6 debacle and Huddy starting I could only follow Game 7 via Gameday. And there was Bum, mowing them down, inning after inning. I just couldn’t believe it! The champagne tasted sweet indeed! 🙂

  • channelclemente

    Thought provoking article on realignment of Divisions in baseball. I sort of liked this one.

    https://i.imgur.com/o5endcr.png

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/what-would-a-post-expansion-mlb-look-like/

    • 610nm

      Me too. That’s exactly how I dreamt the NL West should be a few months ago. I’d allow the Astros to return from exile in the AL to the NL. The only difficulty is that my hypothetical expansion team in Havana should be in the same division as Miami.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Henry Schulman ‏@hankschulman 9m9 minutes ago
    #athletics GM Forst said he thought Casilla was “overlooked” this winter because of the narrative over his departure with the #sfgiants.

    Yeh, yeh…that’s it.

  • channelclemente
  • At 24 years old Baltimore Ravens linebacker Zachary Orr has announced his retirement after learning he has a congenital spinal condition. Orr led the Ravens this season with 132 tackles. He joined Baltimore in 2014 as an undrafted free agent out of North Texas and stepped into a starting role this season, playing the middle linebacker position once held by Ray Lewis and Daryl Smith.

  • Walter Guest

    I don’t think Suarez belongs on that list. He had a miserable season in Richmond in an extreme pitcher’s ball park. The team pitching out-performed him by quite a bit. He was a below average performer.

    • Peter Johnson

      What about Arroyo, after his 2016 season , no way should he be #2 on this list, this list is a joke, besides Bedde being #1, based on production Slater should be #2, and Duggar and Blach should be way higher on this list .

      • channelclemente

        It’s a projection, fraught with the same sort of uncertainties as yours are.

        • Peter Johnson

          This guy is 12 and he su cks , but we think when he is 23 he is going to be great, what is that, Guessing, I go by Production not projection .

          • RobDeer

            As soon as he hits his teenage years he should really fill out. You have to bear that in mind.

          • channelclemente

            You’re projecting by the very nature of what you’re saying. His don’t suck any more than your own. You have no special insight or unique knowledge at all about baseball. If you’re smart, you take it for what it is..play. It’s the equivalent of doodling.

  • Walter Guest

    Thank goodness no assassination. The worse they did was injure some police with rocks. There is a small minority of Americans who behave as if this is a third class country without laws.

  • steve k

    i always wanted to go out with a girl named amy, so i could singer her this song. never did. oh well, still a great song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4xp2lgiAjY

  • (Just Sharing)
    Most of these belong to another site I visit but some are germane to TWG and some ARE NOT. So before you send hate mail or cards with that stuff that all falls out when you open it – Note I realize that some “Are Not”

    Hypothetical board rules (Failure to follow these rules from here on will result in the following punishment)
    1st offense: delete post
    2nd offense: delete post AND issue warning
    3rd offense: delete post AND ban from message boards
    Punishment will be based on moderator’s discretion.
    RULES
    *** No trolling (making a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.)
    No posting of fake news headlines or unfounded rumors
    No political talk
    No use of foul language directed at others or in your own descriptions.
    * Thank you for your effort to make these message boards a place to converse.

  • “You all squared away”? “Get in the cage”. “Try this one Grandpa”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZR_FYKPAAQ

  • channelclemente
  • Buster is gonna have a very good back up catcher. Really like the deal.

    • RobDeer

      Trevor Brown? Agreed.

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    Only this many days until we can stop hearing people b!tch and moan about DJT on this Giants blog! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/023a4c98a258fb8b0861d4edfbf866f2fa850194179cedac47f4f6f1ade90a85.png

  • channelclemente

    Casilla got 2/$11 million from the A’s.

  • channelclemente
  • channelclemente

    The Giants World Series crowd it’s not.

    https://i.imgur.com/b4KP157.png

    • Mr. Sarcastic

      Aww, I guess Jay-Z and Beyonce’s entourage didn’t make it this year…

  • DrLefty

    My reaction to Casilla’s official signing with the A’s is the direct opposite of my reaction to Blanco signing with the Snakes. They both were good Giants for years and integral parts of championship teams. They both had really disappointing 2016 seasons. But I’m truly saddened by Blanco’s departure and relieved and happy about Casilla’s. Blanco was always such a great teammate and he never complained, even when he might have felt he deserved more respect and playing time. Casilla made it all about himself, not the team, this year. I don’t wish him ill in the future, but I’m very glad he’s gone.

    • channelclemente

      Do you recall what Casilla was paid here?

      • Walter Guest

        6.5mm

      • DrLefty

        He made $6.5 last season, thanks to Bochy ensuring that his extra million vested at the end of 2015. I think his three-year deal ended up being around $16 mil. So he did well getting 2/$11 from the A’s at his age.

        • channelclemente

          It’s funny that the only sell outs he’ll probably see this year will be against the Giants.

          • DrLefty

            Fenway, maybe.

          • channelclemente

            If he pitches there. Would you pitch him with that short left field?

          • DrLefty

            Lucky for him, no more Big Papi.

          • channelclemente

            A Sandoval – Casilla homecoming.

    • Michael Scott

      Hope he closes for the A’s.Very interesting to chart how our new and former closers fare.

      • DrLefty

        Sounds like he’ll be setting up for Ryan Madson.

        • Michael Scott

          Could be, but I don’t know why they would pay that kind of money for a 36 year old set up guy. That’s 13 mill per year for 2 old farts.And Madson wasn’t much better than Casilla last year.

          • 610nm

            I’m willing to work at the discount price of 5 mill per year for 1 old fart!

          • Michael Scott

            I’ll work for a rack of lamb once a week.

        • Keep’n It Real

          …or preventing Madson from being used, because there’s no longer a save situation.

  • Michael Scott

    Not quite the way it was meant to be
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ

  • Always been a Nick Hundley fan.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      A-ha! He’s the guy in your crystal ball. Cool.

      • Michael Scott

        Must have read my post in early November. You can see that and more in my “Best of Big Country Mike” collection. Soon to be a featured selection on Kindle Unlimited. If we don’t get him, talk to Crawdaddy.

        • Link?

          • Michael Scott

            Yeah, I save all my posts.Do you ?Trust me , pal. He was an obvious choice.

          • No I don’t. Didn’t read you had wrote about him, if you did. I just think it’s a done deal he’s a Giant pending a physical. After that horrible loss to the Cubs, I migrated to the Raiders blog where all things Raiders turned into a great season. Till of course the loss of the great Derek Carr. Raiders will be great again. Much sooner than later. Like next season later.

            Now, spring training is in the air and I’m preparing for my journey to Scottsdale. Exiting season coming up with the new closer and Tyler Blach and the rest of the gang. Glad Billy Hayes is still with the Giants.

          • Michael Scott

            “If I did”? Nice piece of snark.
            The Raiders did have a nice season, It’s a shame that he got hurt. Del Rio is a jerk and they need to improve their defense to be “great again” but it could happen. Hey, a Trump supporter, good luck.

          • If the Raiders move to Las Vegas it will be devastating. They belong in Oakland. Only a Giants World Series will ease the pain. Which will happen given all the talent. Didn’t Hundley catch Melancon at Arizona State?

          • HaakAway

            Hundley would be The Veteran.
            So it was not FedEx you were referring to?

          • Michael Scott

            Did he? I’m too lazy to look it up.I don’t see that as a big deal, though. He’d give us a decent bat when Buster plays 1st base. I’d put Belt in LF on those occasions.

  • Michael Scott

    Good night to whoever is still up Wow, had a power outage and I thought ” Geez, already?That dude is FAST.”

    • HaakAway

      And the signs at the border now read, “Once you leave you cannot come back” …
      Our local fire zone is having a real bad time in these hard rains. They are in rough country at 3,000 plus feet high. I think you all were in smaller hills right? Less trouble with mud slides in the first winter?

  • 610nm

    Baggs has an update on all sorts of former Giants from Timmy to Uribe to Broadway:
    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/20/former-giants-ace-tim-lincecum-not-ready-to-call-it-quits/

  • Walter Guest

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen that many people assembled in one place:

    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Donald+Trump+Donald+Trump+Sworn+45th+President+zHOcReGz–Kl.jpg

    • cynic

      You mean white people.

      • Walter Guest

        Americans!

    • cabbie
      • Walter Guest

        I wasn’t really in ‘size of crowd’ contest. I was just surprised at the picture I posted. I did not include a political comment and meant nothing political, in keeping with the rules of this blog.

        • DrLefty

          BS. You posted something else yesterday about the inauguration, too. You’re breaking the rules, and you know it, and I’ve flagged your posts. Hopefully you’ll get banned.

          • Walter Guest

            Nonsense.

          • HaakAway

            Your subliminal carpet colors here shout Politics too.
            It has been nice knowing you.

          • dgg

            Wow. You used to be for free speech around here, Lefty. What happened? I was always interested in what you had to say about the current state of affairs in the wider world. You used to jump in in the back and forth on many topics here. There have been times when I objected to a particular topic and you came back with your thoughts against censorship. And now you’re flagging people who have been here for years and hoping they get banned?

          • HaakAway

            I may have missed something serious but I am thinking her post is “/S” for sarcasm … I agree with you on Lefty and she just might be pulling our leg here?

          • PerSpeier35

            Walter made a comment yesterday disparaging the protesters. I’m still disappointed that we can’t discuss important issues here amongst friends.

          • dgg

            I’m disappointed too.

          • dgg

            Let’s just all pretend what’s going on is not going on and only talk about the Giants and baseball.

            I’ll say one thing for Andrew Baggarly: he’s speaking out on Twitter, in both direct ways and sideways, and I admire him for it. And yes, I realize his Twitter account is his account, and this is not our blog.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Impossible. These cabinet picks are some Orwellian shit; some of the darkest irony imaginable. And the guy that was sworn is essentially filthy rich, lecherous scum.

            I miss Baggs.

          • dgg

            Baggarly’s back. He’s writing stories about the Giants again.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Walter is a real throwback. Any body remember his stories about the days back in Bangkok?

          • dgg

            Sure. I found some of those stories hard to get all the way through, but they were uniquely Walter.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            They were unique and had an “exceptionalism” about them.

          • dgg

            A little too weird and “out there” for me.

          • DrLefty

            I don’t agree with censorship, but George has the right to ask us not to discuss politics on this site. Walter has been trolling about the inauguration since yesterday, knowing most of us are unhappy about it. I’ve been respecting George’s strongly stated wishes, and I don’t think it’s fair when others won’t play by the rules.

            As for Walter, he has attacked me personally–called me a fascist and told lies about me allegedly promoting violence against Trump supporters. I wouldn’t miss him one bit.

          • dgg

            I haven’t been around much since “The Rules” were announced. I didn’t realize you had been personally attacked and called an abominable name. That’s untrue and totally wrong. I’m guessing you are as distressed as many of us about the inauguration speech and about the origins of “America First” and what that portends for our country and the world. But since we can’t talk about that, I’ll leave it at that.

          • DrLefty

            Agreed, and thanks.

  • Walter Guest

    Ex-Giant, Alexandro De Aza, signed by Oakland. He gave us value in his short tenure.

    http://risingapple.com/2017/01/20/athletics-former-mets-de-aza/

  • Bapah

    I like wood. I’ve messed around with it since I was a kid. I’ve had various shops and having had boats, woodworking has influenced my life for a long time.

    I used to live in Maine. I lived on an island. I commuted to work in Portland. We used to explore New England and Maine in all our spare time.

    Driving through New Gloucester one Saturday I ran across this guy’s shop out in the country. I’d seen his work so I thought I’d stop and see if he was there. I’ve now known him for years and he’s truly a one-of-a-kind master.

    Chris Becksvoort is his name. Look him up. He’s gotten a lot more slick in presenting his work than the old days, but his work is still the same. Just saw him mentioned in an article and it brought him to mind.

    Sorry for the interruption.

    • HaakAway

      So he is a Red Sox fan?

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Good stuff. You’re a cut above the rest, or most people.

  • HaakAway

    Top Ten Prospects – Baseball America ….. MyGuy™ starting scores for 2017

    Names ….. 2016 Final Level/Score [Pitchers: ERA/3+WHIP and Hitters: wRC+]

    Beede ….. AA/2.22
    Arroyo ….. AA/89
    Shaw ….. AA/99
    Reynolds ….. A/124
    Suarez ….. AA/2.66
    Blach ….. AAA/2.28
    Gregorio ….. AAA/3.20
    Fabian ….. R/143
    Garcia ….. A+/83
    Duggar ….. AA/131

    Picking your MyGuys™ is like stock trading and finding the “under-performing” ones to put your money in.
    Or just going with a connection you might have that makes you root for the guy … McGehee graduated from my local high school (that pick did not work out so good).

    • Bapah

      We have a 1B already. I’m not nearly as high on Shaw as everyone else seems to be. If he works as trade-bait, I’m in.

      • HaakAway

        First round, Boston College, only hit .246 at Richmond but had 16 HR in San Jose last year.
        Insurance at 1B if he can develop at Richmond / Sac next year? He has played a full college level and is 23 yo.

        • Bapah

          Yes, but he’s too one-dimensional. Doesn’t have nearly the arm as Bob, doesn’t run well, and doesn’t field nearly as well. I’m afraid we already have someone that will play 1B in the future if Belt doesn’t. No room at the inn.

          • HaakAway

            True the transition at 1B seems only a matter of time. Conor is temporary depth there this year if Belt gets hurt. Every 1B in the Giants system must be learning some OF.

            Seems most strange that your guy Coonrod was not on the list?

          • Bapah

            Sam is still good, but I’m afraid his control is still wanting. I thought he’d come around. He didn’t. Great FB and decent slider. That’s not enough to start and so will probably just be destined for middle relief (if he can command his FB). Wheel Sea.

          • Peter Johnson

            You like Slappy’s, you know Nothing, Shaw took a month to adjust to AA, then he raked his last month with Richmond !

          • HaakAway

            Love to have Shaw’s power but where does he play?
            I have never noticed but you must like Belt … he is one Giant with more Power than Slap?

          • Peter Johnson

            Worry about it in a year, when Shaw should be MLB ready, and Belt shows his value, Belt strikesout just as much as Shaw if not more, and Shaw has more Power and pulls the ball more in the air so is a better fit for AT&T Park .

          • HaakAway

            I am putting Shaw down as YourGuy™ … he sounds like the bargain stock that works for MyGuy™. But he was not the top PowerGuy™ in the Giants system last year. (I bet you know who that is.) I think he is a 1B too? Competition is a good thing.

          • Peter Johnson

            Richmond is a tough HR park, the other guy hit in San Jose, in the 2nd half, Shaw has a longer track record of power .

          • HaakAway

            You got that right but the drop from 16 HR’s in SJ to 5 in Richmond looks bad. Thanks for the back story on him adjusting. I think he starts at Richmond and maybe will see some OF experience there. I think the FO despirately wants a home grown OF to come forward this year.

      • Peter Johnson

        You are high on a guy with a wRC+ of 89 , I bet, Arroyo, why ?

        • Bapah

          I knew you’d be high on a one-dimensional slugger. No surprise.

          • DrLefty

            How about you two come together on a prospect who has something for everyone and hit for average and power last year–Austin Slater!

          • Peter Johnson

            I like him , but was not even rated in top 10, shows how much these people know, that is nothing !

          • DrLefty

            That was stupid, wasn’t it? Find me a Giants prospect who had a better year than Slater did. I thought he should have been considered for a September call-up.

          • Bapah

            He’s a question mark for me. He can play anywhere, but pretty average when he does. He’s hit well after getting comfortable at each level. I’m just not sure where he fits best. I think the Giants are still trying to figure out where he slots in on the big club.

          • Peter Johnson

            WOW, just WOW !

          • DrLefty

            I don’t see any reason why he can’t compete for one of the outfield spots. He’s played the corners, he’s played a bit of center, and for good measure, he can play 2B. If he can adjust to hitting at the major league level, he could be very valuable.

          • totalfan62

            Ben Zobrist 2.0.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            You’re on it. When I saw Slater in Visalia I really like the compact swing and the confident approach in the box. But you can tell he’s not going to be gifted defender at any one position. Maybe adequate in the OF and let the bat do most of the talking. But if Adam Duvall can put together what appears to have a fine defensive season in LF, then surely, Slater could as well.

            Shaw may have a little more athleticism than given credit for. Not gifted but could be passable in OF. He’s got work to do on his swing – tighten that thing up and control the barrel better.

          • Bapah

            Right there with you on all counts, but one. I don’t see Shaw having the ability to cover much space at ATT.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            he’s still has to hit better at the higher levels before forcing the Giants hand to play him in the OF, so wheel sea…

          • Peter Johnson

            Arroyo has been overhyped by this blog and the prospect graders, and he is slow with a bad glove too, hitting was supposed to be his #1 skill, at least Shaw hits the ball over the fence and drives in runs, you hated Babe Ruth too, I bet !

          • Bapah

            Clear your brain. I haven’t mentioned Arroyo.
            Re: Shaw
            I’m afraid that’s all Shaw will be able to do. He can hit. Maybe he projects as a DH.

          • HaakAway

            Fangraphs® actaull lists him as “1B/DH”

  • Walter Guest

    Oakland DFA’d Brett Eibner to make room for Casilla. Take look at Eibner’s AAA numbers. I’d offer this guy a minor league contract with an invite to spring training. He might have something.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=eibner001bre

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      And the Tigers DFA’d Anthony Gose; given his athletic ability, he might be a very good pickup for the backup CF parade.

      • dgg

        “Backup CF parade.” Now that’s truly funny! This is the first thing that made me laugh this morning. Thanks, Ryan.

        • DrLefty

          Now I’d like a backup C parade. I liked Crawfish Joe’s idea about Nick Hundley.

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Not a bad idea. That would have been considered a good trade if Billy and Bobby did it on purpose

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    To all the women out there, marching or in solidarity with the movement, I stand and figuratively march with you. My wife was on the verge of going to Sacramento early this morning, but decided to stay put. She did make her own pussy hat and was wearing it to keep her head warm when I got home from work yesterday. Stay strong, be safe, you are an inspiration.

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/01/22/opinion/22domesticWeb/22domesticWeb-jumbo.jpg

    • BALDHEADSLIKK

      Well said young man!

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Hi Slikk. Missed you. Ain’t nowhere without our mommas, and our wives/girlfriends/significant others often whip us into shape and mold us along. My wife is my best friend. She majored in Women’s studies in college. She helped organize vigils for rape victims in college. She has always been for women’s rights and equality. I wouldn’t have lasted long with her if I was some sort of jerk, believe me.

        • PerSpeier35

          I’m lucky too, my wife is my best friend as well. I even caved in to the marketing pitch of Kay Jewelers and got her an “Ever Us” ring for Christmas. That bought me a few more years of playing baseball on Sundays.

          • BALDHEADSLIKK

            U 2 guys are blessed hell im still waiting to run into the right Miss Slick 1

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            you deserve a Miss Right, Slikk.

          • BALDHEADSLIKK

            I agree with you but I’m not in a rush trust me on that one

          • PerSpeier35

            Thanks, and good luck with that, I’m pulling for you. And my sons too, nice guys doing just fine and can hardly get a date. I don’t remember it being so difficult back when I was single.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Somethings never change? Jerks getting the girls before the nice boys? C’mon young ladies, wise up!

          • DrLefty

            There’s been a definite demographic shift where young adults really don’t date or pair off until they’re in their late 20s, if then. My Lefty Jr. is an exception–she’s going on 23 and has been with the same boyfriend since she was 19, and they moved in together last summer. But most early-to-mid 20-somethings just do hook-ups and save relationships for when they’re older.

          • PerSpeier35

            I think both of my sons want relationships. I know my 22 year old who still lives with us does but hasn’t had any luck. My older kid is quite private and doesn’t want mom and dad butting in, he had a girlfriend for a few months and we didn’t even learn about it till after they parted ways. I guess you are right, I work at a company with an army of young, attractive, and very nice young women and I’m shocked at how many of them are single and some of that is surely by design.

          • BALDHEADSLIKK

            I have no problem getting dates it’s just that I don’t like any of them I think I’m too picky is my problem

        • Bapah

          What sort of jerk are you?

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Hopefully the mostly tolerable kind.

          • HaakAway

            As in, “We are all jerks but what kind are you?”
            My favorite line in Jurrasic Park 2 … Malcom: “I don’t think you are going to make the same mistakes as your uncle; you’re going to make all new mistakes.”

            With your coaching eyes, use those days you are in Scottsdale before the games start and pick us some guys to look into. You can keep your own super-secret-picks for own MyGuy™ list. Email it to me and I will keep it secret and not take advantage of my “Insider Trading” temptation there.

          • Bapah

            He said some kind, I just wanted to know which kind.

            If and when, I watch players early it’s to find those non-typical sorts of things some players exhibit. Any guy showing up for big league camp will have tools and skills most of us coaches hardly ever witness. I’ll be looking for those having fun while working hard. I often prefer practice to games because you see things most others never see. I’m looking forward to it.

            Of course, there’s always the one’s that make you say, “Wow” or “Whoa” which most don’t get to see.

          • HaakAway

            I am making a trip to ST with my two sons for March 23-25 this year but I really like the idea of going In February to watch practice and maybe the first one or two games then. Ticket prices were a shocker for my Old Brain … the low at Scottsdale is $40. Good thing we have a friend to stay with or I could not enjoy myself spending that much money.

        • BALDHEADSLIKK

          Shes a keeper !

        • channelclemente

          It comes a shock in most men’s lives to learn that women are smarter than they are as a general rule.

        • Matthew

          My wife is my best friend. She was a Psychology major. She has always been for Women’s rights and equality, and has fought hard for it. Like you, I wouldn’t have lasted long with her if I was some sort of jerk. Isn’t it fantastic that strong, righteous, amazing people/women come in all forms and all views, yet have similar foundations? My Beauty is not of the same political party as yours. So much more alike than you would think, though.

          • channelclemente

            That must constitute a trip to the forge. 😉

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Right on. I finished with a BA in psychology as well. The mind is fascinating. At the individual level and the mass consciousness level. Take this specter of mass psychology!

            At some level, perhaps latent, Beauty must be repulsed by the character of DT. And hopefully, at some level, both of you must be repulsed by the recklessness and denial by petro-chemical industries which affront our environment and the planet as a whole.

            We should all defend the planet and human rights together.

          • Matthew

            She is repulsed by many things.

    • PerSpeier35

      That’s what those hats are supposed to be? I saw them on the news yesterday and the announcer just said “protesters wore pink hats”, I thought they were just goofy looking stocking caps. I guess I get it but kinda dumb.

  • BALDHEADSLIKK

    I threw up in my mouth a bit while watching Donald J dance with his wife last night although she’s pretty ez on the eyes.. Set your clocks back 300 years folks!

    • totalfan62

      Slick, my friend–I say this with much admiration and respect for you–please take a step back. We ALL have to work together to make America great again. Not expecting you to give props, but give the man a chance.

      • Moooooooooose

        Let’s honor the host of this site and stay away from political discussions, shall we?

      • Bapah

        Great again?

    • channelclemente

      There was a lively discussion on line about whether she got the gown in case of a breakup, or the prenup returned it to him.

  • dgg

    This I thought was terrific. I think it will be allowed here.

    John Harwood on Twitter 14hr ago:
    for decompressing after long day of inauguration coverage, I recommend watching Steph Curry shoot the basketball

    • DrLefty

      The Dubs have had an outstanding week–three wins against three good-to-excellent teams by no fewer than 17-point margins. I don’t know if they’ve turned a corner, but it’s an excellent sign.

      • PerSpeier35

        Notice that Efrain has been pretty quiet the week….

        • DrLefty

          Too bad. I wanted to hear more about how “weak-minded” Steph Curry was dragging the Warriors down.

          • PerSpeier35

            Plus they blew the Cavs series last season.

        • 610nm

          I haven’t seen TO at all, not nearly enough Matthew, but Slikk is back!

          • Alvise Contarini

            Sssssssssssttttttt. Se parli del diavolo, ne spuntano subito le corna….If you talk of the devil, his horns are immediately seen. Old venetian adage.

        • Moooooooooose

          As he should be at ALL times.

      • totalfan62

        Word. I haven’t watched as much Cavaliers as Warriors, but no way they’re better than the Dubs. I will say that the four superstars must remain sensitive to that subtle evolution of an improving playoff caliber team. That’s you, Draymond. Steph a little, too. As an OKC Thunder fan, I’ve watched KD play *a lot* over the past nine years. Right now he’s playing as well as I’ve ever seen. The rest of the NBA best be taking notice.

      • Keep’n It Real

        I’m just happy that they know the “gold” resides in the playoffs.

        I would love them to take care of business in short time in the playoffs…be ready/rested…then sweep the Cavs. What concerns me…and I’m typically not a conspiracy theorist…but I saw someone post somewhere about this could cement LeBron’s legacy as the top (or close to the top) NBA Player of all time…if the Cavs were to beat the Dubs with KD.

        After the BS with his “would have been a fight anywhere else in basketball” antics and Draymond’s suspension…this sent a chill down my spine.

  • Ham & Egging It

    What’s the word on Jonah Arenado?

  • dgg

    Well, I’m off to the Women’s March on Montana. The website says to dress for the weather (currently 9°) and to consider wearing ice cleats for icy street and sidewalk conditions.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Rad that California has Kamala Harris in the Senate.

    • totalfan62

      That’s dedication. Good on you, dgg!

    • channelclemente

      The Washington offices of the Nation Park Service cancelled the Park Service twitter accounts for tweeting a pic of the relative size of the inaugural crowds at the event in 2009 vs 2017.

      • Alvise Contarini

        America, the Land of Free Speech.

  • Anti-Lasorda

    Our former host wrote a decent article on our beloved former ace…

    • DrLefty

      Yes, Tim still wants to make a comeback, might reluctantly finally consider a bullpen role, and will probably have to take a minor league deal. Baggs thinks the Giants will not be interested but that other teams will.

      • Bapah

        Too bad Chris had such an influence on Tim’s choice not to consider relief. It may be too late. I still think he would have made a great fireman.

        • DrLefty

          He was amazing in that role in the 2012 postseason (like Petit was later, in 2014). I don’t know enough about Tim’s physical condition (arm, hips, etc.) to tell whether he could still do in 2017 what he did in 2012, but he certainly showed then that he had the stuff and the makeup for the role.

          Before 2016 Andrew Miller (and others), there was 2012 Tim Lincecum. It was eye-opening how valuable a fireman could be in the postseason.

          • totalfan62

            You know, in my heart I hope that he calls it a career and moves on to the next phase of his life. We’ll always have those great memories. From 2008-2011 Timmy was one of the ten best pitchers in the NL, if not MLB. The 2010 stretch run and postseason–and the first WS championship in SF Giants history–puts him in the Giants HOF without question.

            There *should* be a statue. Maybe break tradition and retire #55. That’s how I want to remember him. Oh yeah, we also need one last strut to the mound or home plate, and the thunderous ovation that he will always remember. That’s my vote.

          • DrLefty

            They absolutely should do a one-day contract so he can retire as a Giant. We never got to say goodbye.

          • channelclemente
          • DrLefty

            Yes, the speech vs writing dichotomy is an important one. The comments about Obama needing to not sound “too street” and Hillary Clinton “too strident” are well-taken, from a linguistic perspective. There are decades of studies about how women are in a double-bind with their speech.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        I hope so, but unfortunately time is a cruel mistress to a professional athlete…

    • Keep’n It Real

      A dear friend turned me on to Joe about a year ago. Musical stud.

      • channelclemente

        You might give a look on Utube to his work with singer Beth Hart.

        • Keep’n It Real

          I’ve heard the two of them, but haven’t seen them on youtube. I’ll check it out. Thanks!

  • 610nm

    Some ruminations from Doug Glanville about the HOF criteria, complete with a funny quote of Mark Grace’s:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/20/opinion/for-baseballs-hall-of-fame-do-statistics-alone-still-matter.html

  • channelclemente

    Israel is trying to increase baseball interest.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4907126,00.html

    • John Myhill

      I’m not optimistic.

      • channelclemente

        Who knows. It turns out that the guy who pretty much invented baseball analytics (Bill James) relied a great deal on Amos Tversky and their correspondance to ‘invent’ the Moneyball concepts. After Tversky’s death in the mid 90’s, that fact remained unknown until Michael Lewis, in going through Tversky’s correspondence 10+ years later, happened across letters from this guy Bill James. Tversky’s family had no idea who this James guy was. Tversky’s probably one of the biggest contributors to baseball the way it’s played and managed today that no one ever heard of. Tversky was an Israeli.

  • Gregor using great hitting drill (check out his feet) and BTW – he’s been hitting the free weights.

    https://twitter.com/MLB_VZ/status/822151201018015746

    • Bapah

      Did you notice how little hip he has in his turn? He remains pretty closed. That tells me he doesn’t have enough lower body in his swing.

      • channelclemente

        He’s trying to insure contact maybe.

        • Bapah

          I don’t think so. He’s working on balance and if he is turning less than he normally does, he’s wasting his time and effort

  • Alvise Contarini

    Our INGV (Italian National Institute of Geophysics and Vulcanology) released this video today. More than 48,000 earthquakes in five months in Central Italy.

    http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/terremoto-18-gennaio-2017/ingv-la-sequenza-sismica-in-italia-dal-24-agosto-48mila-scosse-in-5-mesi/265729/266107

    • Bapah

      Just how unstable are you Italians anyway?

      • Alvise Contarini

        Written by one who’s sitting on the San Andreas Fault and waiting for the Big One…

        • Bapah

          Not me; I’m down south well of the fault line.

          • Alvise Contarini

            San Diego area probably.

  • crawnik
    • 12xu

      Nice choice for 23, and as you mentioned on the previous post, Tito would have been equally good. Thanks for your daily reminders of the countdown to ST! Go Giants!

      • crawnik

        Thanks 12xu. Sorry I put it in late. Was out running errands with Mrs. Crawnik today. Will be huddled down tomorrow rooting for the Pack and Steelers.

    • Bapah

      Good effort. I’m waiting for a couple that are upcoming.

      • crawnik

        You mean like Eli Whiteside rockin’ the #22?

  • ……

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Augury?

    Went on a walk to check the ditches and look for any storm damage and saw a bald eagle in the sky. Was not able to get a close look but a bird with large wingspan and white feathers reflecting on head and tail must be none other than a bald eagle. We’ve seen golden eagles before, but can’t say I’ve seen a bald eagle. Eagles have a reputation for being glorified vultures and I believe that Ben Franklin once promoted the idea of the turkey as the national bird instead.

    • Bapah

      I was canoeing down the Bow River in Alberta and there was a golden eagle sitting on a ledge high above the bank. There was a small bird sitting on his head. The eagle took off and swooped down in front of us…
      with the bird still on his head the whole flight.

      Neither one of us had our cameras out. We both nearly dropped our paddles.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        This reminds me of the time I was canoeing up a creek without a paddle.

        • Bapah

          Which creek?

    • dgg

      Bald Eagles winter in Montana. We have a strong population along the Missouri River.

  • America’s Pastime whether Outside or Inside the Walls

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd02fyWjZUM

    • Bapah

      Where do you get those “Q” hats?

  • We are blessed to have Kerr for the Dubs head coach. Many including I – have bemoaned the talents or lack there of Varejao – Ian Clark – McAdoo – Looney – McCaw or their rookie butterfly mistakes and then Kerr comes along and so eloquently tells us what we should have already known.

    https://soundcloud.com/warriors/steve-kerr-postgame-12017?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter

    • DrLefty

      Kerr rocks, but he has a serious blind spot when it comes to Varejao. Andy needs to go away and Myers needs to find another guard/wing.

      • Possible – but MOST of the stuff we don’t see that Kerr does see happens in a positive manner. In Kerr’s post game audio he said that Andy is beloved and that TEAM Chemistry comes from the 3-6 players who never play – NOT the starters…

        • DrLefty

          Oh, I’m sure he’s a great guy. They all seem to be.

          But: Zaza, West, JaVale, Looney, Varejao, and Draymond makes six. Meanwhile, they’re counting on senior citizens Livingston and Iguodala, plus a skinny rookie, for backcourt depth, plus Clark. It wouldn’t take much injury-wise for them to be very exposed.

  • Finalized First Round Order For 2017 MLB Draft

    1. Twins 2.Reds 3.Padres 4.Rays 5.Braves 6.Athletics 7.Diamondbacks 8.Phillies 9.Brewers 10.Angels
    11.White Sox 12.Pirates 13.Marlins 14.Royals 15.Astros 16.Yankees 17.Mariner 18.Tigers 19.Giants
    20.Mets 21.Orioles 22.Blue Jays 23.Dodgers 24.Red Sox 25.Nationals 26.Rangers 27.Cubs

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      19th, not too bad.

      Make a play for best talent available – not position of need.

  • DrLefty

    Some of you guys wrote lovely tributes to your wives earlier, and in honor of that, I’d like to share one of Mr. Lefty’s songs from his 2015 album, “The Beauty That Remains.” It’s called “Beautiful Stroll,” and it’s about the ups and downs of life through a lengthy marriage.

    Excuse the Dropbox sound quality; I can give you information about better recordings if you’re interested.

    Special shout-out to Chef Michael Scott and his bride Merna on this one.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/eep39hmyb6u9v9e/07%20Beautiful%20Stroll.mp3?dl=0

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      I’m hearing the James Taylor this time. Very nice. Whattaguy!

    • Bapah

      You must be very proud.

    • totalfan62

      Very nice, professor. Thank you. I missed the salute to our great wives mini-thread, and I must give a belated shout-out to Mrs. TF: my wife, my lover, my soulmate and my best friend. 34 years and still going strong. #happytogether

  • channelclemente
  • Alvise Contarini

    02:09 CEST (Central Europe Standard Time). Good night all.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Who knows where Casilla winds up in the A’s pecking order with Doolittle, Madsen, Dull, and even Montas, but he’s been very active on twitter!

    https://twitter.com/whatwouldDOOdo/status/822474634045976576

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      edit: Doolittle obviously the one that has been active.

      At some point, GM David Forst may be active shipping him to a contender.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      and all in all, today was an uplifting day. People moving past the fear and coming together for the common cause with the fighting spirit.

      • steve k

        i’m proud of my wife, dgg, and the millions of others across the country, that felt strongly about something, and didn’t just whine about it. they got out, there and did something about it. and, last i heard, at least in DC, there wasn’t a single arrest.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Our friend made it to Sacramento and back. Good experience and success there.

          • steve k

            she said it’s a day she’ll never forget. like 11-1-10 was for moi.

  • Bapah

    Is anyone here familiar with Fermi’s Paradox?

    Is there intelligent life in the universe? I say no.

    • Alvise Contarini

      So you are not intelligent or dead.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Where is everybody?

      Aren’t other far flung lifeforms met with the same constraints imposed on interstellar travel that we have? Even a manned trip to the neighbor Mars is daunting and may never be realized.

      But what of interdimensional travel and influences upon earthly species?

      X-Files? 👽 🌎

      • Bapah

        By Fermi’s estimate the are billions and billions of stars much older than ours which is a measly 5 billion years old. The universe is 13.8 billion years old.

        • Bapah

          Besides, we’re expected to be on Mars by 2031-2036.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Far out. It’s been a long time since a moonwalk.

        • channelclemente

          The typical duration of a species is give or take, about a 100,000 years. That’s the kicker.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            You’re back!

            Do you believe in wormholes and such? Loopholes to avoid the amounts if energy to approach light speed? You know, E=mc2.

          • Bapah

            That’s for non-human species. We don’t know what the limit is for human cognizant species. Very few other species have the ability to manipulate their environment like us humans do.

          • Bapah

            Besides, I don’t think there have been dinosaur doctors, although some act like it.

          • Alvise Contarini

            And THIS is the real problem with mankind. Homo sapiens is destroying his shelter with his hands. Are we sure we are an intelligent species?

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Gonna be real hard to move everyone to Mars.

          • Alvise Contarini

            My dear Watson, moving the necessary AIR to Mars would be hard.

          • Moooooooooose

            Why? There might be only a couple hundred around by the time we need to move!

          • Bapah

            There won’t be enough lava tubes for everyone.

          • Matthew

            We advanced to being the dominant species through our intelligence. Now, we can obviously discuss our self/planet destructive habits from our own limited perspective. But think about what human kind has accomplished. We are flawed, amazing creatures. We have discovered advances in health, travel, communication , technology that are amazing.

            Yet, there is so many more details that we have no idea.

            We are wonderful. We are ugly. We are caring. We are selfish. We inhabit a planet that provides us more than we could ever need. Yet….Our curiosity and hubris don’t allow us to sit still. Our stubbornness doesn’t allow us to peacefully coexist. This grand experiment seems to teeter between infinite abundance of life and wanton self destruction.

            What a wild ride

          • Bapah

            Well, many obviously aren’t.

        • Bapah

          By many estimates there are 200 to 400 billion stars just in our single (Milky Way) galaxy

          • HaakAway

            I get it; the shear numbers make you think another planet has to support life.
            But, we only know of one.

          • Bapah

            Hence the paradox. Where the hell is everybody?

          • Bapah

            By the way, Enrico Fermi was a bit smarter than me… and everyone else I’ve ever met.

          • HaakAway

            A good cup (or two) of coffee and half a day to talk about this one and I think we could solve it.

            Fermi really said that? That does not sound very scientific. I think you are giving me a bad translation or something.

          • Bapah

            Look it up

          • Bapah

            Fermi worked in Chicago, BTW.

          • HaakAway

            The Manhattan Project?
            I may be blending my history but somethimes it is fun to actually try to remember things without looking them up on-line. I should have verified this so I look smarter.

          • Bapah

            There are many articles on the Paradox. Here’s a funny one. Google some others. It’s been widely written about.
            http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

          • HaakAway

            Thanks … a quick scan was fun.
            At first I thought your question about intelligent life and saying “no” was more an editorial comment. Now I see it is an actual question where a real possibility is that the answer is “No”.

          • Bapah

            Unless I was counting us too.

        • HaakAway

          My wife passed the tough Statistics class but I did take Logic. If there is only one planet we know of with life on it, even if there are billions of planets, how can we compute the likelihood of another planet with life? I mean, if you only have one of something, how can you logically figure out the odds of another existing?

          • Bapah

            There are many billions of earth-like planet in just our galaxy. In the observable universe there are 10 exp. 20-25 planets that could support life.

    • cynic

      This could incite more controversy than Brandon Belt’s superstar status.

    • Walter Guest

      The odds strongly say “Yes.” Probably countless planets with unintelligent life.

      • Bapah

        In all honesty, I have to agree with you, BUT

        where the hell are they?

    • Matthew

      Odds would say yes, but the fact that we have never, ever been able to ascertain any contact attempts whatsoever, I think it’s “no” with a eye on maybe

  • channelclemente
  • channelclemente
  • HaakAway

    Rough winter storms are part of life most everywhere.
    Praying for those under the avalanche in Italy, Alvise. Sounds like many can still be saved. 23 more to go?

    We heard a tree come down in the night but our house and driveways are clear.
    Praying from home counts today for “going to church”. You can look it up.

    • PerSpeier35

      Yesterday I did more storm / flood prep, clearing lots of built up debris from the drainage ditch but I never heard it rain that hard here in Pinole. Still dark and haven’t been out yet but I suspect we are good.

      • HaakAway

        Sounds like you are a bit rural since you actually are thinking about drainage the day before the deluge. Good for you. #SandBagsAreMyFriends

    • steve k

      i’m pretty sure that He would rather we treat each other with respect, and help whoever you can, whenever you can. i doubt whether going to church is very high on His list of what’s important.

      • HaakAway

        You probably have heard the verse: “Wherever two or three gather in My name, there I am in the middle of it.” So yeah, a neighbor or a friend (or stranger) is all it takes.

        How is the NY winter? On the East Coast I focus on Charlotte due to a grandson there (A BIG Steph Fan by the way. 12-year-old basketball player with some height potential … his dad is 6′ 5″.)

        • steve k

          it’s been a pretty mild winter, so far. there is a storm coming in tomorrow. rain and very windy. 30-40- mph, gusts up to 60. as long as it isn’t snow, i’m happy.

          does your grandson play any baseball? i guess gramps is too far to influence his favorite team.

          • HaakAway

            His gifts to me are mostly Giants stuff but you are right, I am too far away to influence his choices much. He tried Little League but it did not stick. Even the most local grandkid turned me down on playing LL this year but he is only 5-years-old. We do play catch, hit off a tee and run the bases whenever he comes to visit. My job allows me to coach if the time comes. I am patient.

  • PerSpeier35

    Sunday morning quiz for Warriors fans; without looking it up can you identify the number five scorer based on average points per game? The top four are obvious, number five not so much.

    • steve k

      clark?

      • PerSpeier35

        That’s right but I saw you Googled it Steve, no fair. Good call, before I saw it I would have probably guessed Igudala or Livingston or even Pechulia before Clark. Clark at 6.8 ppg, Andre next at only 5.9.

        • steve k

          i was going to say iggy, till you said it wasn’t so obv

          • Moooooooooose

            I didn’t either. It’s Clark, isn’t it?

    • DrLefty

      Livingston? He’s been on a roll lately.

      • PerSpeier35

        No, see below, it’s Clark though he hasn’t been on a roll lately. Sean only makes two pointers so that holds him back a bit.

        • 2holehitting

          Clark has one of the best scoring lines per minute of play and the best off the bench behind the big 3. His game minutes are up nearly 50% from last year. He is like a Curry/Klay when pared with Livingston or Klay.

          I think Kerr is figuring out his rotations and parings with his new cast. They really are big and long up front this year when they put in a Center, Durant and Green and Klay. They may still be a jump shooting team, but they can go inside which Sir Charles should like. It is not however man up ball that Charles likes that is loosing ball.

          • Alvise Contarini

            Who cares what Dude Charles likes or doesn’t like?

          • channelclemente

            Because he knows more about basketball than any poster here, maybe.

          • Alvise Contarini

            I do really like that “maybe”

          • 2holehitting

            most likely….

  • crawnik
    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Not a good morning for the MLB family. Former MLB infielder Andy Marte and current Royals pitcher Yordano Ventura dead after a car wreck in the Dominican Republic.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        …actually appears to be two separate car crashes.

        • crawnik

          I didn’t hear about Ventura. Wow.

      • DrLefty

        OMG–hadn’t heard about Ventura. He wasn’t my favorite baseball player, but that’s still very sad.

        • crawnik

          Tavares, Marte and Ventura. 3 Dominican players lost since 2014.

          • DrLefty

            I was reminded that Ventura and Tavares were friends. Ventura started Game 6 of the 2014 World Series just a couple days after Tavares’ death and dedicated the game to Tavares’ memory, wearing Tavares’ name and number on his cap. Very sad juxtaposition.

  • dgg

    Yesterday was an exhilarating day. Cold but sunny. The expectation was for 5,000 to march, and we had 10,000! Jeannette Rankin would have been proud of us.

    • DrLefty

      A lot of my friends and coworkers (including many men joining their wives and kids) went to the Sacramento march or one of the Bay Area marches. Some flew/drove/trained to Washington D.C.

      I’m still recovering from the flu and didn’t have a long day in the cold and rain in me, but it was a pretty amazing event.

      • dgg

        I hope you’re feeling better soon, Lefty.

        • DrLefty

          Getting there, thanks. Nasty virus.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            “Nasty virus” made me laugh, but bad cold is no joke. Keep drinking those fluids and get your rest.

          • DrLefty

            It was not accidental (the word choice). Doing better. I spent nearly a week in bed. Thank God for Netflix.

          • PerSpeier35

            What do you recommend? Mrs. PS35 and I had a free night recently and really couldn’t agree on anything we scrolled through on Netflix. What we missin’?

          • DrLefty

            One really good movie we watched recently was Confirmation, starring Clive Owen. Didn’t get much buzz when it came out early last year, but we thought it was very well done.

          • channelclemente

            Check out Frontier. Just showed up this week.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Whatchya readin’ these days?

          • DrLefty

            Thanks to CC, I’m reading Michael Lewis’s latest, The Undoing Project. Also dipping into Jim Bouton’s Ball Four, which I obtained in Kindle Version for free on Amazon Prime.

          • PerSpeier35

            I read Ball Four when I was a kid, loved that book. Too long ago for me to remember much but I do remember him cracking me up talking about some pitching coach who recommended the high fastball to some batter “because Koufax got him out with it.” He had fun with that one.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            and how about Sal Maglie?

          • DrLefty

            “The secret to pitching, boys, is to throw strikes.”

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Working for Ty Blach 🙂

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Nice! I would like to read Lewis book also.

          • dgg

            “Not accidental, the word choice.” I thought not, Lefty!

          • Moooooooooose

            Accidental and word choice have never gone together in a Lefty comment!

        • crawnik

          Yes, hope you get well soon!

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Awesome. The marching must have kept everyone warmer – faster, jump up and down, etc.

      I can imagine someone, somewhere is disputing those attendance figures. I’m going with your numbers. Awesome. Way to go women of Montana (and their accompanying dudes)!

      Had to look up Jeannette Rankin. Yes indeed!

      • dgg

        I’m not at all surprised that you would be the one to look up Jeannette Rankin!

        “I may be the first woman member of Congress,” Jeannette Rankin observed upon her election in 1916. “But I won’t be the last.”

        • channelclemente

          She was from one of the few states in which women had suffrage, Montana.

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            The first of which was Wyoming. But the first nation to give women the vote was New Zealand.

        • Moooooooooose

          I would have looked her up, but I knew Footy would so I didn’t have to!

      • PerSpeier35

        That’s surprising Ryan (that you had to look her up), I thought you had memorized the entire internet!

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Ha ha.

          Google has a way of feeding the laziness of the mind. I find that my spelling has gotten worse, I wind of looking up words for spell checking more and more often.

          • steve k

            you have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge. that’s a real good thing.

          • Moooooooooose

            Me too. That’s why I always read Footy’s posts. Sometimes I just smh and move on, but other times I might learn something. Ok, that’s a lie. Once he starts going into too much detail with fake trades and prospect ratings, my eyes fog over and I skip to something else.

          • Alvise Contarini

            Should be a web virus. Most times it happens to me too.

          • channelclemente

            Alternative facts bother you. I see it as great preparative training.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      And you thought your march was cold??

      https://twitter.com/CNN/status/822875495968739328

      • dgg

        I saw that. Not just cold. Really cool! With a focus on climate change and protecting the environment for all of us.

    • steve k

      nice job,D double G. it’s a good feeling not complaining, but instead, doing.

      • dgg

        As someone said yesterday: Yesterday we mourned. Today we march.

        • PerSpeier35

          D what do the marchers hope to accomplish? To alter You’re Fired’s policies and/or behavior?

          • dgg

            I can’t speak for everyone. But from my experiences when I last marched during the sixties, there must be sustained effort.

          • GiantFrog

            Well done dgg. Don’t change.

          • dgg

            It’s surreal we’re having to do this all over again, all these years later.

          • GiantFrog

            First of all, he wasn’t fired. And a bit of a history lesson: Nixon vs. the marchers.

          • PerSpeier35

            No, it was just a reference to his reality TV show here where he was famous for his “you’re fired” line. I never even saw the show but I heard the line a hundred times.

          • GiantFrog

            Gulp. My apology PS 35. I grabbed the wrong pony when the merry-go-round passed by. I never saw the show either, but indeed heard the line, but missed your reference.

          • PerSpeier35

            Lol, no worries.

          • SurfCity

            He definitely noticed it. He scheduled a press conference during the middle of it, probably to distract from it, but who knows.

    • SurfCity

      Much the same all over the country. Turnout exceeded expectations.
      Glad you went!

  • totalfan62

    Just saw the blip from MLB: Yordano Ventura killed in auto accident. 25 years old, I think.

  • Walter Guest

    A couple of years ago A. J. Ellis, then a Dodger catcher, said something like, “I quit swinging and they kept walking me.” I’m sure that’s an exaggeration because his walk rate, around 12%, hasn’t changed since he first came up, and his K rate is only 50% above his walk rate. But it would seem that saying such a thing would tip the pitchers off about how to pitch to him. But, more to the point is how much his walk rate improved his OBP: his lifetime batting average is .239, his OBP is a useful .340. Some seasons it led the team.

    Which brings me to Giant prospect Jacob Heyward, an 18th rounder out of Univ. of Miami in 2016. He didn’t seem to get much respect from the Giant brain trust despite having an older brother starring in the majors. They started him at the lowest level and kept him there for almost the full season even though he was clearly tearing the league apart. Here is his line in the rookie league: .337 .488 .579 1.067. Notice the OBP is 151 points above his batting average. This is due to a near 20% walk rate. He obviously didn’t just quit swinging as Ellis says he did. Heyward was swinging enough to have gotten on base nearly half the time.

    This is a player to watch.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Good post Walter, your innate story telling and passion for prospects are well integrated in this one.

      By all means, eyes will be on the young Heyward, who was young for a collegiate draft pick. His older brother has been known to carry a high walk-rate. I imagine that he is Augusta bound.

      I also believe that Brandon Belt subscribes to the school of making the pitcher throw you strikes and benefits from this strategy.

    • Moooooooooose

      I’m sure there’s more to developing a prospect than,”if his stats are good, promote him.”

  • Scout Finch Baseball
    • steve k

      such a shame. that game 6 start in the 2014 WS was impressive. he’s with his friend oscar now, as well as jose. too many very young ball players up there.

  • Scout Finch Baseball
    • steve k

      another great song from the 2007 inductee of the songwriters HOF…

  • Bapah

    I don’t want to sound insensitive, but does anyone know what the three Dominicans were driving when they crashed?

    • DrLefty

      I know Tavares was driving a fast red sports car. I remember seeing the (horrendous) photos after the crash. Haven’t heard about the other two.

      • Bapah

        My oldest son just got a new car and I told him that there isn’t anywhere I know of to take advantage of even half of its potential. He said he was thinking the same thing this morning.

        • DrLefty

          I take it there must be some dangerous roads in the Dominican Republic. Add fast cars, young guys who think they’re immortal, maybe alcohol, maybe rain…and you keep getting news like this. 🙁

          • Bapah

            I was thinking, myself, that roads in the Dominican must be crazy even in good weather.

          • Alvise Contarini

            I think that a road can’t be crazy or dangerous. Those adjectives are for the behaviour of the Homo Sapiens (?) only.

          • DrLefty

            Narrow, winding–less forgiving of high speeds.

          • Alvise Contarini

            And then one goes slowly, if he isn’t crazy.

          • Moooooooooose

            I don’t consider myself crazy, but the last time I drove Highway 17, I took off about 5-10 mph and what had been a white knuckle drive in the past was quite pleasant!

          • RobDeer

            You’re getting soft.

          • Moooooooooose

            True.

          • Bapah

            Well, several others do. [Consider you crazy, that is.]

          • Moooooooooose

            I’d argue that point if I could.

          • Alvise Contarini

            I suggest this road to Passo Stelvio, northern Italy. Max height 2,758 m.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a08741972ee559f06a8da6fbd960b80931f6018086895fa18031e94440be471.jpg

          • GiantFrog

            This road reminds me of my last dish of Fettucine Alfredo. We enjoy many Italian cuisines here en France.

          • DrLefty

            When we were in Tuscany in 2010, we went to Montepulciano for wine-tasting. I remember some winding roads to get there, too.

          • John Myhill

            I remember both my daughters throwing up on such a road.

          • Bapah

            Any road can be dangerous, even if one drives it every day. Unexpected impediments happen even on the Autobahn.

          • Alvise Contarini

            Yep, but statistically highly improbable.

          • John Myhill

            Not in english, it’s normal to describe a road as crazy or dangerous. I don’t know about italian but it doesn’t sound right in spanish (camino loco?? Camino peligroso??).

          • John Myhill

            Hmm, now that i think about it, it depends on the word. Carrera peligrosa sounds okay, but not carrera loca.

          • Alvise Contarini

            Thank you for improving my English.

  • DrLefty

    So an assistant football coach at University of Oregon was arrested for a DUI last night, and the university immediately announced that they’re beginning the process to terminate him for cause.

    Good. I don’t necessarily think everyone in the world should lose their jobs for a DUI, but I do think a college sports coach should. They should be setting an example, not making the news.

    • Alvise Contarini

      Alcohol or drugs?

    • Giants54

      Probably because he can be easily replaced. If he were a successful HC, eh, do the obligatory apology and lets get back to work.

      • DrLefty

        Sadly, that’s probably true.

    • GiantFrog

      Worse than all of that, maybe, is he was hired at $300,000 per year. That’s a lot of taxi rides. Footnote: they threw in reckless driving on top of the duii. I’m not an attack dog here. I’m an OU alum (and duii free).

      • DrLefty

        No excuses in a world of Uber and car services, especially for people who can easily afford to hire rides.

        • GiantFrog

          D’accord

  • channelclemente

    How you find a new team when yours deserts you and moves to LA. How a 538 analyst did it. She also now needs to know of an Packer’s hangouts in NYCity, where she lives and works. The ranking of options.

    https://i.imgur.com/4UIsp5o.png

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-rams-are-dead-to-me-so-i-answered-3352-questions-to-find-a-new-team/

  • Ham & Egging It

    Arthur Blank’s head will explode if the Falcons blow their 24 point lead.

    • Alvise Contarini

      No way

  • Surf Maui

    I for one will be thrilled for the football season to be over so that everyone can focus on what is really important–winning a 4th WS since 2010!

  • Michael Scott

    Dgg: You go girl!
    BTW, “Crowd Scientists Say Women’s March
    in Washington Had 3 Times More
    People Than Trump’s Inauguration”

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/22/us/politics/womens-march-trump-crowd-estimates.html?_r=0

    He seems to have an obsession with size. Or lack thereof?

  • Ham & Egging It

    If NE gets by Pitt tonight then I think they’ll win the SB against Atlanta. Go Steelers!

    • crawnik

      If that’s the case, I’m not watching.

  • Michael Scott
    • Bapah

      Unlike today, they never show the score on the screen during play. Fun listening to Dad again.

      • Bapah

        Or the TIME. Hey, Pops got pretty excited for that one.

        • Michael Scott

          He was 53 when he left CBS. But he kept working right up to his death at 78. Almost literally. I believe that he did his radio show in his hospital bed until the very end. He was pretty tough. He had so much going on that I don’t really know what he died from. Maybe it was the hospital food..

    • Bapah

      Hey, Mike Can you tell me why current PXP guys don’t have the selflessness on the air that some of the older guys did?

      • Bapah

        He just never took away the focus on the game for himself. What a pleasure that game was. Not much excitement at the end of the game; too bad.

  • channelclemente

    The city by city count of turnout from this Saturdays event. 3.7 million attended.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1xa0iLqYKz8x9Yc_rfhtmSOJQ2EGgeUVjvV4A8LsIaxY/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0

  • channelclemente

    Some heavy seas. A historic WWI-era ship called the S.S. Palo Alto and docked near Santa Cruz was torn apart by massive waves Saturday.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/22/historic-cement-ship-in-aptos-torn-apart-by-massive-waves/

    • Bapah

      Lead balloons and plywood airplanes don’t last forever either.

      • channelclemente

        Not in 40 foot seas, apparently.

        • Bapah

          Ferro-cement hulls don’t last long and they really weren’t meant to.

          • channelclemente

            They lasted long enough to make Kaiser wealthy.

          • Bapah

            You’re right, this one was pretty old.

          • channelclemente

            It was the beginning of public healthcare. K-P was built from the remainder of the health system for the ship builders.

      • SurfCity

        Welll to be fair it’s been parked out there for about 86 years or so

  • channelclemente
  • channelclemente
    • Scout Finch Baseball

      now that is some serious jazz guitar!

  • DrLefty

    MLB Network’s Top-10 Right Now, Starting Pitcher edition:

    1. Kershaw
    2. Scherzer
    3. Bumgarner (!!)
    4. Arrrieta
    5. Lester
    6. Kluber
    7. Sale
    8. Cueto
    9. Syndergaard
    10. Greinke

    • DrLefty

      Left fielders, #10: Adam Duvall.

    • Bapah

      Of those top three, I’ll stick with Bum.

    • John Myhill

      The WC game against the Mets seems to have convinced people that Bumgarner is one of the top pitchers in the majors. Even the Fangraphs Giants-haters are going along with it. It’s pretty amazing. They don’t seem to have noticed that he wasn’t too good in the NLDS game.

      • John Myhill

        If they put arrieta 4th, they must have stopped looking at his games after mid-june.

        • DrLefty

          I thought Arrieta was too high and Kluber too low, and Syndergaard should have been higher. I also thought Hendricks should have been on the list. And I’m not sure Greinke belongs on it–he had a bad year and he’s not getting any younger.

      • DrLefty

        Bumgarner had the best regular season of his career to go with his past (and present) postseason heroics. No one says Bumgarner’s postseason record is perfect (he wasn’t good in 2012 until the World Series, and he even lost one in 2014, in the NLDS)–but it’s pretty damn impressive, and yes, this year’s Wild Card game added to that legend. As for the game against the Cubs, the Giants ended up winning it, so I guess all is forgiven.

        • John Myhill

          It was the best year only if you focus on ERA. His FIP (3.24) was the worst since 2012. Same with SIERA (3.46). His xFIP (3.54) was the worst since 2010. His Hard% (31.6%) was his highest ever by almost 3 points. He was helped by good luck in BABIP (.265, 20 points below his career average) and LOB% (79.1%, 2.7% above his career average). I think Bochy used him too much in the first few months and he got tired (his August FIP was 4.39).

    • crawnik

      Only one in that top 10 has 3 WS rings. The top 2 have combined for a big fat goose egg.

      • John Myhill

        Javier lopez has 4, by that logic he should be #1.

        • DrLefty

          They do a separate show for relief pitchers, but I don’t think “The Shredder” considers postseason stats, anyway. It’s based on the past three years + projections for the coming year. It’s called “The Top Ten RIGHT NOW.”

    • Surf Maui

      Of all of them I know who I would pick for a a one game win or save or go home–he’s only done it 3 times without ever letting up a single run.

  • John Myhill

    Re mlb network ranking bumgarner as the #3 pitcher in the majors, it really is tough to give bumgarner a single evaluation. Realistically he couldn’t be called the 3rd best pitcher in the regular season, he clearly wasn’t as good as cueto (#8). He gave up a lot of homers and hard-hit balls in general for a top-tier pitcher. His fastball is only like 91mph. His ‘slutter’ is a bizarre pitch which doesn’t look that great but somehow confuses the hell out of hitters. His curve was great last year but very few people even noticed it. But no one was surprised when bochy chose him over cueto to start the wc game and no one was surprised when he pitched a complete game shutout.

    • SurfCity

      How about best started to have on your roster to come in and pitch relief in the playoffs on his off day, lol.,

      • John Myhill

        That’s obviously what people are thinking of, especially that he pitched 5 innings. But he has only done that once.

        • SurfCity

          Cueto should be higher, at least based on last season

          • John Myhill

            In principle yes, but would you have started cueto in the wild card game?

          • SurfCity

            Madison is the Man for must-wins

          • John Myhill

            Exactly. Plus the Cubs are better against lefties so it would have been better to pitch Cueto against them twice in the nlds.

        • DrLefty

          He actually pitched two scoreless innings out of the bullpen (on two days’ rest) in the NLCS in 2010–the night the Giants won the pennant in Philly.

    • DrLefty

      The MLB Network list is based on an algorithm (“The Shredder”), not “people.”

      I disagree that he “clearly wasn’t as good as Cueto.” Bumgarner had more innings pitched, more strikeouts, a better ERA, a better WHIP, and a better batting average against. The only stats where Cueto was ahead of Bumgarner were wins (meaningless pitching stat) and complete games (Cueto had five and Bumgarner had 4).

      • steve k

        i wonder if the shredder counts a pitchers offense. that’s a big way that bum adds value.

      • John Myhill

        See my post below. Cueto was better in FIP (2.96 vs. 3.24), xFIP (3.42 vs. 3.54), WAR (5.5 vs. 4.9), and Hard% (27.2% vs. 31.6%). Bumgarner had much better luck in BABIP (.265 vs. .293) and LOB% (79.1% vs. 78.0%) and this is why his ERA was better (marginally, 2.74 vs. 2.79), but generally speaking Cueto was more effective. Also, although I’m generally not very enthusiastic about WPA for starters, Cueto was remarkable last year at 4.62 (second in the majors behind Lester) while Bumgarner was only 12th at 2.81. Cueto had some amazing games to win with very little support–3 complete game wins against the Padres by 1-0, 1-0, and 2-1, 8.1 innings in a 2-1 win over the Rockies, 7 innings in a 2-1 win over the Brewers, 6 innings with 1 unearned run in a 2-1 win over the Yankees, and 5.1 shutout innings in a 2-0 win over the Dodgers. That’s 7 wins in Cueto starts where the Giants scored 2 or fewer runs as opposed to only 2 for Bumgarner (1-0 vs. the Cubs and 2-1 vs. the Red Sox).

        • DrLefty

          One thing you’re forgetting is how Bumgarner was victimized not only by lack of run support but especially by the bullpen giving up his leads. That happened to him way more than it did Cueto or anyone else on the staff. I’d say Bum should have won 22-24 games last year with more support from the offense or the bullpen if you just look at his game logs. That 7-2 Giants wins stats between Cueto and Bum would be different if the Giants had a decent bullpen (and competent managing of same) last year.

          • John Myhill

            That just isn’t true. Bumgarner got significantly MORE run support than Cueto did (RS/9=5.40 vs. 4.79–btw Samardzija was 4.20, Cain was 3.87, Peavy was 4.72, and Suarez was 4.870–the only starter who got more support than Bumgarner was Moore (5.66)). And the Giants lost 3 games in which the bullpen blew a lead Bumgarner turned over to them (Apr. 9, July 5, Sept. 19), while this happened twice with Cueto (Aug. 14, Sept. 4) and three times with Samardzija (July 2, Sept. 1, Sept. 17).

  • SurfCity

    For Bapah and CC who were discussing the cement ship in Aptos below. This is a pretty decent history of it:
    http://www.santacruzwaves.com/2015/07/cement-ship-remains-a-central-coast-landmark/

  • SurfCity

    https://twitter.com/GreekGiant/status/821477512475721728

    Agreed on president, Greek — Trump is actually even on record a few years ago as being opposed to the Electoral College. I”m thinking recent events mean he’s changed his mind.

  • steve k

    prayers for those poor folks down in georgia, and other parts of the southeast. is our family here ok? any news from TF62? i know he’s down in that area.

    • totalfan62

      We’re good, Steve k, thanks so much for asking. We got a lot of rain, but in our little piece of northwest GA things are pretty much OK.

  • DrLefty

    Considering “The Shredder’s” list and my own perusal of the stats, I think this would be my top 10 for starting pitchers right now:

    1. Kershaw
    2. Scherzer
    3. Bumgarner
    4. Sale
    5. Kluber
    6. Lester
    7. Cueto
    8. Syndergaard
    9. Verlander
    10. Hendricks

    My list vs. The Shredder’s list: I dropped Greinke and Arrieta and added Verlander and Hendricks. I moved Lester down a bit and Sale and Kluber up a bit. I also bumped Thor and Cueto each up a spot.

    Arrieta is an honorable mention along with Porcello and Price.