Giants Sign Nick Hundley and Jae-Gyun Hwang

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Greek Giant

The Giants have just added depth to their roster and have continued their run of offseason signings to shore up their infield. It seems Bobby Evans and Bruce Bochy are determined to create a talent buffer in the inevitable event of injuries. By signing catcher Nick Hundley to a one year, $2 million contract and third baseman Jae-Gyun Hwang to a one year minor league, $1.5 million contract if he makes the big league team, they are taking seriously the push for depth and may even be considering a trade involving players like Trevor Brown, Eduardo Nunez and others.

These are very low-risk, high ceiling moves that do not cost the Giants Major League talent and pay the new players low salaries. With Hundley’s injury history, the hope is that he can provide quality at-bats when he fills in for Buster Posey on days Buster has a day off or plays first base.

Regarding Hwang, there have been many statements made about his power and his ability to produce runs the old-fashioned way in South Korea. Time will tell what kind of impact he will have on the Giants, assuming he makes the Major League roster, which is no guarantee.

I like the moves, even if they are safe ones. These are the types of acquisitions that can end up producing memorable moments when you least expect them (Travis Ishikawa, Cody Ross, Michael Morse, etc.)

The Giants are basically stock-piling talent they feel will minimize the drop-off in production when starters go down or when they need a rest. This is no small issue considering the small bench the Giants have had to work with since Bruce Bochy preferred carrying 130 pitchers on the 25 man roster….

  • DrLefty

    So, the revised bench:

    Hundley, Gillaspie, Tomlinson or Hwang, two backup outfielders(?).

    Evans said in a conference call with the beat writers that their preference is for either Mac or Parker to be the everyday left fielder–not a platoon. So you figure one of them is the backup, and one more (Gorkys, Ruggiano, Morse…?).

    I certainly hope that with a strong innings-eating rotation and a solid closer, we’re not going to have any four-man bench/eight-man bullpen nonsense this year. I can hope, right?

    • 610nm

      Maybe Trevor Brown can keep his job, with a good spring camp? It seems we can continue to type the lovely name Gorkys next season. Ruggiani has a shot at things this spring, to compete against Parker, but Morse is surely just a sentimental signing for team enthusiasm in the camp (Morse approached the Giants, not the other way around). KT now looks pretty sure to make the team as the primary backup middle IF, no? I do hope you are right about our getting to choose five (5) backup fielders this year.

      • Bapah

        Don’t forget Fedex and the other guy will be at ST looking for a spot too.

        • Bapah

          Pinto

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Don’t forget J-Roll as a threat to have Tomlinson optioned to AAA. So much can happen over course of ST.

      • DrLefty

        I get the feeling there could be a revolving cast of 3B/utility INF types: Nunez, Gillaspie, Hwang, KT, Rollins. Competition is good and so is depth, even if Bochy prefers having things written in ink rather than pencil. Between that and Mac/Parker duking it out for LF, should bring some energy that was lacking last year.

        • 2holehitting

          Bochy will be able to ride the hot bat….

        • 2holehitting

          Isn’t energy actually a euphemism for productivity. You do good you brought energy and a shot in the arm, you do bad well……..

          • DrLefty

            It just seemed last year like everyone had their big contract and their role and no one had to fight for anything–not Cain or Peavy, not Span or Pagan, not Casilla. If they did poorly, Bochy would just keep trotting them back out there.

            The best stretch of play all year by the Giants was when Pence and Pagan and Panik (and Duffy) were out at various points and young/fringe guys like Parker, Williamson, Albert Suarez, Ramiro Pena, etc. had to fill in. These were guys just clinging onto a chance, and they brought some urgency. Once Cain, Pagan, Pence, and Panik were back, those guys faded into the woodwork and the team stopped hitting or winning.

    • Will they move Nunez for some mysterious piece to the puzzle?

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Nyet.

      • John Myhill

        I don’t see how they can keep Nunez, Gillaspie, and Hwang. Too much repetition.

    • HaakAway

      This does make the My25ManGuys™ Contest more interesting. I will have to look up when we cut off entries for that. I suppose you can allow picks right up until the last Oakland ST game here?

      • DrLefty

        I think it should be earlier. Guys will get cut/injured during ST. It seems like cheating if you can account for that in your picks.

        • HaakAway

          I will check what we did last year but I see what you mean,
          Look at Moooooooose’s idea.

      • Moooooooooose

        How about doubling up and having a February 1 deadline and after spring training deadline.

        • HaakAway

          I like it but how would that work?

          • Moooooooooose

            Easy!! Make picks on or before Feb 1 (or before Feb 14 or so) and a second set of picks at the end of spring training. Basically 2 contests. It’s gonna be great!!

        • RobDeer

          And then a September 1st deadline!! I’d probably still eff it up.

      • 610nm

        We had to make the picks right at the end of spring training last year. That seemed the most practical thing, but even then, the A roster was nebulous. Until we know who makes the MLB, we don’t know who’s a River Cat, and it trickles down from there. Lefty’s right, it is way too easy if we don’t have to predict the chaos of camp. Moose is also right, if he means to make MLB picks by the oooooooooopening of camp, and the minor league picks at the end of camp?

        • HaakAway

          My25-ManGuys™ … Who will make the 25-Man Roster can be picked as soon as ST starts as we know who is there. Maybe make it March 1 so you see a couple of games?

          MyGuy™ for the season with MLB and minor leaguers has to wait until we see what level of the minors each player lands in as you pick two from each team/level. April 15 makes for a memorable date to have those in.

          How does that sound to everyone interested?

  • 610nm

    Just saw Lefty’s mention of a DFA for Adrianza due to Hundley needing a 40-man slot. Not surprising but Arroyo’s rise gave EA only a small window of time with the Giants. That’s sad, esp. as injuries last season kept him from playing enough to attract another team’s interest. I hope he catches on with someone, or escapes a 2nd trip through waivers and stays another year with us. Breckeroni’s best wishes, in other words, to EA.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Not so fast. He’ll probably clear and make it through waivers, again. Then he’ll pick it clean for the Rivercats.

      • DrLefty

        Brisbee points out that Adrianza can’t be outrighted to AAA if he clears waivers since he’s been outrighted before. They’d have to sign him to a new minor league deal. Could happen, I guess, but the Giants have already signed a ton of utility infielders to minor league deals. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ehire could latch on somewhere else.

    • channelclemente

      Sadly, a player who’s ship has sailed.

  • channelclemente

    Neither of the two additions will hit his weight.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Hundley goes about 210. Hwang is listed at 185.

      Care to make a wager?

      • channelclemente

        If I won, I wouldn’t take a poor farmers money. We’ll see.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        One outta two ain’t bad. I think Hundley has proven to be above a .210 hitter

    • “Atta Babe” (mid season form)

  • DrLefty

    I’d say today’s news is good news for Kelby Tomlinson and disappointing news for Trevor Brown. Hundley’s signed to a major league deal and is on the 40, so he’ll be the backup catcher, barring injury, and Brown will be back in AAA. This might be better for Brown’s development, though.

    Adrianza being DFA’d gives Kelby a pretty clear path to the utility infielder job. Gillaspie isn’t a versatile infielder who can back up 2B/SS. The only other infielders on the 40 right now are Miguel Gomez, a 3B who hasn’t played above A-ball, and Orlando Calixte, who’s mostly played SS. But Calixte has a .247 career batting average in the minors (2500 ABs) and a .940 fielding percentage at SS. I don’t see him displacing Kelby, a .300 career hitter in 300 major league plate appearances.

    The other scenario would be Hwang or Rollins making the team instead of Kelby. Could happen, I guess. But Hwang is primarily a 3B, not someone who can backup Crawford. If anything, he’d displace Gillaspie.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Nunez can backup Craw as well – with Gillaspie at 3b

      • RobDeer

        Yeah but you need a backup SS that isn’t your projected everyday 3B. I’d agree with Lefty that this bodes well for Kelby making the team. Hope so, anyway.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          I guess I don’t see it that way. I see Conor getting his fair share of licks and then there’s this Hwang guy. Have a hard time penciling in Nooner for 140+ games at La esquina Caliente.

          • RobDeer

            I like Conor. I root for Conor. I defended Conor on here during the season when some saw him as just baggage taking up a roster spot. Having said all that, I don’t see him playing well enough to demand consistent starts at 3B.

          • John Myhill

            Has to be Kelby or Rollins as the backup 2bman now, the question is who’s the backup ss.

          • DrLefty

            Rollins obviously has the big league reps, but how effective is he still, at 38? In my opinion, Kelby is perfectly capable of playing SS in a pinch. I’ve seen him play there in Sacramento, and he was fine. Not Crawford, but then who is?

          • Until Rollins shows he is done at ST and, he quite possible maybe done, he gives the Giants a type of switch-hitting vet off the bench that they’ve never really had. They’ve had switch-hitters but nobody “‘his age” who knows both leagues and ironically Rollins now seems at peace with his roll.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Or role even… I mean unless he was fighting with his bread…..

          • Touché and Bravo. Good think Rollins did not throw his pats of butter across the table.

            🙂

          • Ro>Row>Role>Roll>Role – Eeny, meeny, miny, moe

      • Anti-Lasorda

        You really think vet love Bochy doesn’t find a place for J-Roll….

  • Scout Finch Baseball
  • DrLefty

    Grant Brisbee’s farewell to Adrianza, with some salient details about his contract and waiver status.

    http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/1/24/14374906/ehire-adrianza-sf-giants-nick-hundley

  • Scout Finch Baseball
    • 610nm

      NYT links look the best if you just omit all the long extra stuff after the .html (and I have no idea why they have all that extra stuff).

  • Anti-Lasorda

    EA getting designated is the last member of 2012’s Team Venezuela……

    Pablo, Machi, Mijares, Petit, Adrianza, Blanco, Scutaro…. all gone…

    • DrLefty

      Not from 2012, but Albert Suarez is Venezuelan. So is Gorkys Hernandez.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        Neither one is assured a spot with the big club and both could easily be squeezed out in spring.

        • DrLefty

          Yeah, I don’t really see how Suarez makes the cut, barring injury to someone else. Numbers just don’t add up.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            You can stick pins in your Matt Cain doll, but it won’t be enough. By my reckoning there would have to be a bully injury to Gearrin, Kontos, Strickland, Melancon, Osich, Smith or Law. I would guess those are the 7 you break camp with.

            Looking at that pen makes me realize the talent they have down there and how much Multi Million Dollar Melancon better stay healthy…..

          • DrLefty

            Yep. Blach and Cain are battling for the fifth starter spot. If Blach wins it, what happens to Cain?–Do they DFA him or have an eight-man bullpen? In either case, no room for Suarez.

            There’s also other fifth starter prospects like Stratton, Blackburn, and even Beede. A lot of depth there.

  • pacman68

    And still no one to play left field. Unless Hundley catches all the time and Belt goes to left.

    • DrLefty

      Mac’s going to play left. Hopefully this will be a good thing. He did pretty well when he had a chance to play when Pence was out last year.

  • earlytimes

    I think they have addressed the RH power off the bench thing now with Hunley Hwang Ruggiano and even Rollins

  • 610nm

    On a day when there was some actual baseball news, this doesn’t really count. I had to pass through that airport in enemy territory yesterday, but fortunately only had to look at two of those blue hats with the pair of letters on them. Unfortunately, it didn’t occur to me to count, but I saw any number of Cubs logo’d items at all airports, including more inside LAX than the two unmentionable ones. I guess they’ll start out the favorites with the media, just fine with me, Giants play well from the stealthy position.

  • RobDeer

    Maybe it was discussed on here previously but anyone else surprised LA traded DeLeon for a 30-yr old Forsythe? Seems like their rotation is way too thin and full of question marks to be dealing away their top pitching prospect for that kind of return.

    • 610nm

      Yeah, when I saw that in the paper this morning, it seemed like a trade they’ll end up regretting, maybe even before next season’s end. In the meantime, SF looks solid in the pitching department, both starting and relief.

    • DrLefty

      The buzz is that they’d cooled on DeLeon and like their other top prospects, Yadier Alvarez and Walker Buehler, better. But DeLeon was the most big league ready and had great minor league numbers. I agree that their rotation is full of question marks, especially as to health.

      • RobDeer

        I like Forsythe but you’d think they would’ve gotten a little more. Unless, as you say, not only has LA cooled on DeLeon, but scouts around the league, as well.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Some starting options down south, in your neck of the woods, right down the street and up the hill, after you snag a couple of tacos on Olvera Street…

      Kershaw
      Maeda
      Hill
      Urias
      Kazmir
      McCarthy
      Wood
      Ryu?

      +Stripling, Stewart, Nuno

      http://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/1/24/14369872/dodgers-trade-pitching-prospect-jose-de-leon-to-rays-for-logan-forsythe

      • JStreet

        Most of em are injured much of the time.

  • John Myhill

    The Giants now have 3 29-year-old 3rd baseman who can be expected to hit around .270 with reasonable power and very few strikeouts or walks. Hard to believe they’ll all be on the 25-man roster…

    • DrLefty

      Nunez brings more tools with his speed, athleticism, and strong arm. I still think he’s the frontrunner.

      • John Myhill

        I was implying that someone’s going to be traded.

        • SurfCity

          Adrianza was DFA’d

          • SurfCity

            But I see what you were talking about: Gilaspie, Nunez and Hwang. I think you could be right — they’re looking to make a trade. But if they don’t, they have enough non-guaranteed contracts so it won’t hurt them

      • channelclemente

        Not baseball. Does this spook you, it does me. http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/164824

        • DrLefty

          Hell yes, it spooks me. Not so much for myself–about the most controversial thing I ever say is about the future of the apostrophe in English grammar. But the idea that there’s a creepy McCarthy-esque list that people might land on is just so damn backward.

          • Kevink109

            umm

        • Alvise Contarini

          OMG, McCarthyism once again ?

  • channelclemente

    The Mets realize their entire approach to pitching is a mistake. They throw too hard. LOL. Maybe they’ll close the armgrinder mill after 45 years.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/rick-peterson-thinks-fix-mets-pitching-injuries-article-1.2954593

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    With their attention rightly focused on each other, the Giants and Dodgers best not ignore what the Rockies have going, which happens to be a lot of young talent and depth backing up their established stars. They have more arms than they’ve had in some time, and a few of these guys have learned a trick or two about pitching with Denver as the home field. Having a stout farm system is going to help their cause:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/1/20/14336574/colorado-rockies-top-20-prospects-for-2017

    • DrLefty

      I’m not really sure what that means. How would the Giants and Dodgers ignore the Rockies? They play 19 games each against them. And the Rox always seem to beat up on the Giants, anyway.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        My bad. That doesn’t make sense. I think Rockies will be good. Have potential as a dark horse to win the division. Likely finish ahead of the Diamondbacks who aren’t that bad either. They’ve accumulate some depth that is really going to help. Possible that a mid-season trade acquires some impact rotation help.

        Bottom line: tough division and 90 wins may be a feat.

        • DrLefty

          Yep, I think the Snakes are going to be better this year. Could be a tough division. Not the Padres, though.

  • PerSpeier35

    Is this guy Hundley better than Brown?

    If Bochy goes with an eight man pen then we’re going to have to put on some funny hats and protest in the streets. Starting staff is too strong to need so many relievers.

    • Better than Brown? In totality – yes

  • earlytimes

    If it’s Posey Belt Panik Crawford Nunez Parker/Williamson Span Pence Gillaspie Hundley,

    they have 2 spots (if they go 12 P). I think keeping Cain around is the only reason they go 13.

    So it’s Rollins, Tomlinson Hwang Ruggiano Gorky’s? anyone else?.Might want a balance of speed and power, so with Hundley Gillaspie and either Parker or Williamson, they have guys with pop (Posey would be there on off days). Maybe a combo of either Ruggiano and Tomlinson or Hwang and Gorky’s.

    • crawnik

      Don’t forget Pence’s BFF Morse.

      • earlytimes

        Bam bam ass’t.

        • 2holehitting

          Power hitting Left Fielder….

      • Keep’n It Real

        I could see Morse going to AAA *if* Giants gave him some assurances. Seems to be the type of guy to do that to give it one last shot.

  • channelclemente
    • dgg

      I’m rather thrilled about the prospect of a Korean ballplayer on the Giants. I can’t wait to tell my grandson!

      • channelclemente

        As long as expectations don’t outstrip his talent. Korean Ball is about AAish. I’d say wish him the best, and see how he takes to the American game, and its demands.

        • Moooooooooose

          Where did Jung ho Kang play?

          • steve k

            most likely in his back yard, maybe the school fields when he got a little older.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Hundley may have some secrets on how to better pitch the Rockies’ power guys…and maybe some of their pitching flaws.

    • crawnik

      Not to mention, what type of pitch guys like Jon Gray and Tyler Chatwood would throw in certain counts.

    • He sure will. And, just for comfort levels, Hundley caught Melancon for the Arizona Wildcats. It’s all coming together. Giants are going to be a good club this year.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        No doubt.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        ps- so how did you do it? how did you get the Hundley scoop?

        • Keep’n It Real

          It’s OK…everyone gets out-scouted every once in awhile :-))

      • dgg

        Good catch, Crawfish Joe!

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Anything to get Arrenado out. He owns us worse than Dale Murphy used to.

  • channelclemente
  • Maybe Ehire Adrianza becomes the next Emmanuel Burriss and bounces around. Most likely Dusty gravitates towards EH first …

  • This is the rotation I hope we see:
    Power Bum
    Crafty Cueto
    Crafty Moore
    Power Smarge
    Power Blach

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Should Moore and Blach be switched with respect to power/crafty?

      • dgg

        All of our pitchers need to be crafty for their power to be effective.

      • Blach and Bum back to back? Powerful.

      • DrLefty

        Yes.

    • channelclemente

      What’s the guess on Cain starts this season. You guys and your alt-facts.

      • Moooooooooose

        20!

        • DrLefty

          Million! In his bank account!

      • Anti-Lasorda

        His first 10 will be free unless he is complete BP in Spring…

    • Tyson Michael Blach may not be confused with Powerful, but yea….

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Cueto routinely threw harder than Bum last season. Jus’ Sayin’

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    I saw that Keith Law ranked the Giants system 20th. That feels about right as I’ve looked at some of the other systems. I think that’s pretty good considering some of the talent they’ve traded away and their absence of top picks and total absence of trading for prospects. This means that the guys they have drafted are developing well – that’s your Steve Duggar and Ty Blach and CJ Hinojosa’s of the world. If the Giants had really hit on another one of their recent picks and if Lucius Fox was too good to be traded, giving them, say, two additional B prospects, their farm system would look more 15ish than 20ish. Anywho…

    This is what a bad farm system looks like. They had the worst last year and are likely still the worst this year. But they’ve added a couple talents to build upon.

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/1/24/14375846/los-angeles-angels-top-20-prospects-for-2017

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Who is care? Ask Keith if he thinks Brandon Crawford will amount to much…

  • Efrain

    It’s actually quite shameful the way the Giants organization has treated Bonds after everything he did to pull the franchise out of the garbage. Just a few years after possibly moving this team ignited the fan base and helped the Giants become what they are now, one of the best Orgs not only in MLB but all sports. Yes, Bonds helped bring the era to fruition.
    To many that hold on so hard to the PED thing, the organization made a great deal of its $$$ during those HR record seasons, money that eventually led to ATT being a reality and a success.
    And to think some odiot on this blog actually insinuated on this blog that ATT was the house the Timmy built.

    http://mlb.com/r/article?ymd=20170123&content_id=214207572&vkey=news_sf&c_id=sf

    • Alvise Contarini

      STOP CALLING NAMES ! I hope that ALL the decent people of this blog will block you, like I am going to do.

      • Efrain

        Ok fine, but hey if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…..

    • It will happen. Baer and Barry are close but more importantly Barry and Harmon and Sue Burn’s daughters are like Bread and Butter. Trina Burns Dean and Tori Burns maybe the two most important investor types concerning this subject. The litigation is completely over. He will wear his Giant Cap into the HOF and after the ill conceived year with the Marlins – he will return as a Giant coach or Rover.

    • PerSpeier35

      Cut out that last paragraph and you have a great post.

      • JStreet

        What I tried to say.

      • Moooooooooose

        I’m sure if the whole thing was cut out, it would be even better. What I read was excellent!

        “This user is blocked”

    • DrLefty

      What are you talking about? Tim Lincecum debuted in 2007–seven years after the park opened. He was 15 years old when AT & T was built. I agree with your stuff about Bonds, but why bring your irrational hatred of Lincecum into this?

      • Efrain

        Because someone once on the blog alluded to that idea, and yes of course I then pointed out the time thing.

        • Matthew

          Play Timmy For Me.

          Jessica Walters ain’t got nuthin on you

          • SurfCity

            I admire your tenacity at relating everything to a Clint Eastwood movie, lol

          • channelclemente

            I was thinking an empty chair, but point made.

          • Matthew

            it makes my day

      • SurfCity

        Because someone supposedly said it years ago is what I gather.

        • Lunch_Box

          probably a fan who started following the team in October 2010.

    • JStreet

      I totally agree. Bear in mind, emotional name calling does nothing to convince others towards your point of view. You’d have more pull if you can keep the accusations under control; I find it a bit trumpian myself. If you insult enough folks, they just won’t read you. That said, I reiterate: we are in agreement here, on this issue.

      • Michael Scott

        Actuality, Timmy was operating the crane that lowered the Glove when the park was being built.
        http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/36/31/53/7969507/5/920×920.jpg

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Wanna have a catch?

          • HaakAway

            FoD references always are relevant.

          • Michael Scott

            It was cruel for Donald to call out Spicer on his wardrobe but I must say that Spicer’s suit on Monday looked he got it in a two for ten bucks close out sale.

        • JStreet

          Brilliant, Chef. Thanks for the pic.

    • Michael Scott

      “insinuated” is a subjective term- What did this person actually say?

    • BALDHEADSLIKK

      the house that timmy built lmao lololol that ludicrous as hell

      • Efrain

        how you doing Slikk?

        • BALDHEADSLIKK

          Doing great buddy how are you just getting ready for baseball season here starting to warm up this is my spring training

          • Efrain

            I’me excited about bball season, already penciled the GMen at Citifield!

          • BALDHEADSLIKK

            Yeah I’ll be checking them out right here in the Bay Area at Johnnie Lemaster field

        • BALDHEADSLIKK

          Out here in Sacramento delivering packages listening to The Dramatics The Four Tops Friends of Distinction Marvin Gaye and a few others it keeps me sane

          • Efrain

            nice, recently I’ve been on a 5 Stair Steps and Chi-Lites kick (and always Marvin)!

          • BALDHEADSLIKK

            Don’t get me started on the five stairsteps I love their old hit song ooooh child and the sister of the group is fine as hell

  • channelclemente

    With the season starting up, those who enjoy Fangraphs may not know you can follow a game live. Fun stuff?!

    http://www.fangraphs.com/library/how-to-use-fangraphs-live-scoreboard/#more-2574

    • 610nm

      Honestly, a game with “TWG accompaniment” is the best!

      • channelclemente

        Sometimes yes. Do both. I didn’t know it had real time strike zone analysis.

  • Michael Scott

    Finally!!!
    Gee, back in early November I posted that he was the best choice of the available reserve catchers. Another user here recently accused me of lying about that. Look, it’s not a BFD about who was first but I could easily have been wrong about who they might sign. I’m not often right about these things, so I’m going brag a little when my guess came to pass…
    So, bragging is done and now the creek dweller can apologize to me.

    • Hold on buddy. First, if you think it was me that accused you of lying, not true. Probably a bad use of words on my part and definitely not my intent. When the Giants were finished I went to the Raiders site and returned here because I had heard Hundley was on his way. Did not know you had posted that earlier. Again, antagonist and one upping are not in my make up. All in good fun. Sometimes I get some info a little early and want to say but I shouldn’t. My bad if you took it that way and certainly not my intent.

      • Michael Scott

        Thanks for your gracious reply. Now it’s up to Nick to make both of us look good.

        • I think he will. He loves the game and is smart. Definitely does his homework. Hope it works out with him for sure. I personally like Nick and feel positive about the signing.

    • Surf Maui

      Not lying– alternative facts

  • Michael Scott

    11 illegal aliens in Middletown voted for Hillary for Mayor of Middletown- and we don’t even have a Mayor!
    But she’s considering it.

    • HaakAway

      Tough times for those Clintons.

    • SurfCity

      I know you’re just kidding around and it made me chuckle!

      But it reminded me how absurd it is that people think that undocumented residents, who spend their time trying to keep their head down and not be noticed by the government, would go and register their names and addresses with the government in order to vote. Just makes no sense at all.

      • Michael Scott

        Going by the high estimate ( 20 million) of how many illegal immigrates are in the USA and using Trump’s claim that 5 million illegals voted, my math says that 25 percent of them voted. !!!!!!!!!

    • channelclemente

      It’s your cooking.

  • SurfCity

    There’s no way they go with 3 catchers, right???

    • DrLefty

      No. It will be good for Brown to hit and catch everyday in AAA.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Don’t rule it out over course of 162.

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Not before Sept 1st

  • just peachy.

    On a random note, I received my autographed copy of Zito’s record in the mail today. And he spelled my name right 👍🏼

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Damn, where do I get one?

      • just peachy.

        You had to pre-order his EP by a certain date for him to sign it. They emailed me asking if I wanted him to sign it personally to me, and I said, of course!

        • just peachy.

          You can order his EP on his website (www.barryzitomusic.com)

        • Anti-Lasorda

          You lucky sun of a gun…

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Hindsight is 20-20, what is Forsythe for the Dodgers? 17 HRs, 8 SBs?

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Trevor Brown came to bat 184 times last year. Will Nick Hundley surpass 200 in 2017? 250?

      • 22’sSweetSwing

        You tell me if Posey gets injured this year and I’ll be able to answer the question.

  • channelclemente

    The central ethos of a baseball blog.

    https://i.imgur.com/3xfYNlW.png

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      Spot on! and that’s coming from a guy who might be the most guilty of confirmation bias.

  • standardstarboard

    As an aside, over the years I have been jealous of my friends and blog acquaintances who (whom?) have had the opportunity to go to spring training. Well this is my year. I have an assignment to visit the Seattle Mariners facility and check out some of their games, and, of course, a chance to visit my beloved Giants. Any tips, ideas, or recommendations for my week in AZ?

    • DrLefty

      Spring training is fun! A couple of restaurants we really like in Old Town Scottsdale are The Mission and Citizen Public House. If you’re coming to a game at Scottsdale Stadium–which I recommend if you can manage it; it’s a cool park with a great vibe–leave extra time and/or scope our parking, which is limited. We usually stay somewhere that we can walk to the park.

      Old Town Scottsdale has a lot of fun shops and art galleries and is nice to walk around. You will see a lot of Orange and Black representation.

      A lot of people like to go to Don and Charlie’s, a famous Giants spring training bar–not in Old Town but not far from it. I found it a bit too crowded for my taste, but it’s a must-do for a lot of Giants fans.

      • standardstarboard

        This is great stuff Doc. Thank you.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      I’ve always thought you were a closet Mariners fan. Don’t know what it was… 😉

      They could be in the hunt this year.

      • standardstarboard

        Yeah, I`m a fan of the city. Seattle`s ball teams are okay. However, I am a closet mariner…longing for another voyage. Will Timmy hook up with them?

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          This is the year he should go home again. Mariners aren’t all that deep in starting pitching. Maybe bullpen works there.

    • just peachy.

      I’m going this year too, finally, for the 1st time! I’m most likely going to go to the white sox, reds and cubs games at the end of ST.

      • standardstarboard

        I`m like a little kid…very excited. Hoping my boys can go with. Pumped to see all of the Giants` kids.

      • HaakAway

        I think we might cross paths at the Whitesox (Saturday) game?
        If want to try and meet, email me: My SF Giant Guy at Gee Mel dOtt com
        I will be with my two, adult sons and would love for them to meet more Giants Addicts.

        • standardstarboard

          For sure I will contact you. Gotta compare cold brew notes…some baseball too. You going around 3/14…give or take a couple of days? I`d like to hook up with some TWGs.

        • just peachy.

          Great! It would nice to make that happen. I think the White Sox game is on Sunday but I could be wrong (I’m flying in that morning and flying out Tuesday night).
          I’ll be the gal most likely wearing my Duffy/Skeeter shirt, because now it’s “vintage” 😉

          • HaakAway

            Oops… my last day is Saturday vs. the Padres and I decided I needed to travel back early Sunday AM… that is why I had the White Sox in my foggy brain. Maybe another time.

            Post some scouting reports here and give this MyGuy Thing a try this year. It is all about finding some new guys to root for which you will see firsthand.

  • John Myhill

    No stats on this but it was my impression that a number of the pitcher meltdowns last year happened when brown was catching and the pitch selection was questionable. I remember one occasion when posey was playing 1st and i asked myself if posey could help from there. Hundley will be a big help in this.

    • 2holehitting

      That could be perception or it could be who Trevor was catching and when. Bruce gives Buster rest days on getaway days which many times you get the D league starters. D league starters are not offensive juggernauts and most likely would have lower scoring games.

      The Giants real issue last year was not the pitching or the relief pitching. It was the run scoring. You can look at the relief core, they had a lower ERA than the starters and batters hit for a lower average.
      http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=SFG&year=2016#sprel

      If you look by inning the 7-9th were middle of the road for runs allowed and basically had a lower batting average than the rest of the game.

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=SFG&year=2016#innng

      What the Giants really had was bad hitting late in games. How many 9th inning comebacks did they have? The team as a whole hit .209 in the ninth with a .281 OBP. The last 3 innings they averaged the lowest BA.

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=SFG&year=2016#innng

      Basically if you look at starting pitchers, they had 52 games in which the offense scored 0-2 runs. They went a cumulative 9-32. That is not a team that comes back from behind and is not an offesnsive juggernaut

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=SFG&year=2016#rs

      When you look at playoff caliber teams in the NL, only the Mets scored less runs than the Giants.

      I will re-iterate what I stated last year, the Giants had a run scoring issue and not a pitching issue. The relief pitching just looked at fault because the offense was not good and scoring runs. Add to that the requirement of holding 1 or 2 run leads for an average of 3 innings per game, you are bound to lose many if the offense goes anemic in late innings.

      So the real question is what have the Giants done to improve the offense? They let go a .280 hitting left fielder. They are hoping on another solid year from Crawford. They HOPE Panik goes back to rookie year JoeP, they yet again HOPE Belt will be that power and RBI guy that he has not been, they HOPE Buster will not degrade more.

      • DrLefty

        To add to what you said, the Giants never had a ninth-inning comeback the whole year. Not once. So not only did they not hold slim leads, if they ever got behind late in a game, party over. In hindsight, it’s amazing they actually made the playoffs.

        I agree that the offense isn’t any better and may even be worse next year. It COULD go OK–the Giants have a lot of big league hitters with good track records, and giving Mac or Parker a shot in LF COULD pay off–but at this point, it’s looking a lot like the 2009 and 2011 Giants–great pitching and no hitting.

        • Anti-Lasorda

          Very 2011….

          • 2holehitting

            Yeah 2011 when

            Huff hit .246 12 HR
            Torres dropped to .221 and 4 HR
            Burrel the dumpster dive of 2010 fell to .230 with 7HR
            Ross dropped to .240
            Buster blown up literally
            Whiteside hit under the mendoza line as the replacement.and Stewart was .204 as the backup

            The team offense really was a disaster that year outside of a Bright PAblo hitting .315 with 23 HR’s.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Fixed it for you…

            Yeah 2017when
            Crawford hit .246 12 HR
            Span dropped to .221 and 4 HR
            Panik the hero of 2014 fell to .230 with 7HR
            Pence dropped to .240
            Buster blown up literally
            Hundley hit under the mendoza line as the replacement.and Brown was .204 as the backup
            The team offense really was a disaster that year outside of a Belt hitting .315 with 23 HR’s.

            Yup, very easy to see…

          • HaakAway

            Thanks … that was what I was trying to imagine.
            Does anyone think that is where the Giants are headed?

          • DrLefty

            I think the parallels are pretty limited. Huff, by his own recent admission, was heavy into substance abuse that year. Ross was always a fringe outfielder, and so was Torres other than his career year in 2010. All of them were well past 30. Sabean also added washed-up guys like Miguel Tejada, Orlando Cabrera, and Jeff Keppinger. The only regular starters that year who were under 30 were Posey (gone by late May for the season) and Sandoval (missed six weeks with hamate surgery).

            By contrast, the Giants have Posey and Crawford just turning 30, Belt, Nunez, and Panik still under 30, and whoever wins the LF job will be under 30. The oldsters are Pence and Span, but unlike 2011, they’re in the minority, not the majority. Three of the five starters will be under 30 if Blach wins a spot, too, and the bullpen’s a lot younger than it used to be.

          • HaakAway

            Exactly.
            Pagan is a parallel (gone)
            Other than that, as you have pointed out, it is not the same.
            2Hole points it out in his last paragraph but his “HOPE …” sounds like he thinks there is little chance that Crawford, Panik, Belt, Pence or even Buster play their track record.

            Isn’t it about health? Panik and Pence were not healthy last year and missed many games. How many times did the Giants field their First String? Not much.

          • DrLefty

            Again going with the 2011 comparison: Pence, Span, Posey, Crawford, and Belt all have track records of multiple good seasons. Panik has a more limited track record, but his first full year (2014-15) was excellent, and even in a down year, he won a Gold Glove. So you have the newbie in LF and you have Nunez who’s had one career year as the real unknowns.

            In contrast, going into the 2011 season, the Giants had a bunch of guys who stepped up in 2010 but otherwise had inconsistent track records. Huff was an every-other-year guy who signed for cheap in 2010 because no one else wanted him. Torres and Ross were journeymen. Sandoval had a great 2009 and was benched by the end of 2010. Posey obviously was a star, but he only had a little over a half season of big league experience. Freddy Sanchez had a history of being fragile. Miguel Tejada was old and a PEDs cheater. Burrell, with nearly 300 major league HRs, had the best track record, but he’d also been DFA’d by Tampa Bay in early 2010.

            In hindsight, it wasn’t at all surprising that the 2011 team didn’t come together, even if Buster hadn’t been injured.

          • HaakAway

            In hindsight, it is amazing they should have made the playoffs in 2011 if the late acquisition RF, whom shall remain Unnamed, does noi get hurt and then milk it out too long to be the help they needed.

          • DrLefty

            That was a very frustrating season to watch. The pitching was SO good–FOUR starters in the top 11 in NL ERA. A great bullpen, with Wilson still mostly healthy, Romo’s best year ever…if they’d made it to the tournament that year, they would have had a great chance.

          • 2holehitting

            Belt should have a typical Belt year. His most productive year was in 2013 with his highest slugging OPS+ and Average. He had as many home runs that year in 100 fewer at bats than last year. The past 2 years he has been striking out even more than typical Belt poor K rates. All those K’s are a big rally killer as his tendancy to walk. batting 6th before week hitters he did not make contact 50% of the time either taking walks or K’s. Batting 5th 33% of the time he fails to make contact. Hard to drive in runs taking walks and striking out in RBI spots.

            Buster last year was one of hist worst. He had his lowest full season batting average and lowest slugging % of his career. This while starting basically 133 games as a position player and only 122 at catcher. If the daily grind of catching 122 games runs him into the ground then what happens as he ages another year. If reports of a bad back was true last year, then that does not bode well for an aging catcher. Once one gets a bad back, that will continue to nag for the rest of his career. I have some HOPE Buster bounces back but if inuries from catching persist, that HOPE is diminished.

            Panik – lets see he has a short track record and like Buster a bad back that will likely nag him through his career. I do like his smooth swing and HOPE he rebounds to his rookie form.

            Crawford – I would not hang my hat on him carrying the team. Though he has steadily improved through his career and has become consistent at the plate and in the field.

            Pence – He has had 2 years of injuries limiting himself. He will be 34 years old and has had a steady decline in his OPS+. I would tend to think if he stays healthy and avoids the sliders off the plate, he could have a bounce back year and the most impact on the team vs 2016.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            LOL, and OUCH. But WTG Belt!!

          • HaakAway

            What parallels do you see then?
            Huff = ? … Belt?
            Torres = ? …
            Burrel = ? …
            Ross = ? …
            Whiteside = Hundley?
            Pablo? …

          • Alvise Contarini

            I miss REAL ball so much, my dear friend. In winter time flows at a slower pace and I realize that we have to invent something to kill it.

          • DrLefty

            And even Pablo missed six weeks with his first hamate surgery.

            Nate Schierholtz had a decent season until he went down with a broken foot in August. Freddy Sanchez was headed for an All-Star selection when he had his shoulder injury in June that turned out to be career-ending.

            That was a baaaaaad year.

        • cynic

          To me it’s all about Pence. If he’s healthy I think their hitting will be better.

          • DrLefty

            Agree–he could give them a big boost.

      • John Myhill

        The offense wasn’t great but the truth is that in terms of runs scored it was comparable to the years they won the World Series. They actually scored more runs than in 2010 and 2012 and basically as many as 2012, although their place in the league dropped (5 places on the average) because the scoring went up in general (2010 697 (#17), 2012 718 (#12), 2014 665 (#12), 2016 715 (#19)). The real problem was hitting in the clutch–they were #1 in the majors in Clutch in 2012 and 2014 (though only #15 in 2010) but only #19 in 2016. A significant part of this was they focused much too much on ‘working the count’ (I’ve made some posts here showing that a high walk total is strongly statistically correlated with a bad Clutch score). Essentially the whole team posted higher walk percentages than their career totals (Belt (15.9 vs. 11.3), Crawford (9.1 vs 8.5), Posey (10.4 vs. 9.3), Panik (9.5 vs. 8.4), Pagan (7.7 vs. 7.1), Pence (9.7 vs. 7.5)). They went from being #21 in the majors in walks in 2014 to #4 last year. They changed from a team in which everyone was going up to the plate looking to get the big hit to a team in which everyone was going up to the plate looking for the big walk, and that just doesn’t cut it in the clutch. Unfortunately they seem to have gotten it into their head that this is a good idea so I don’t see much likelihood of improvement (although the addition of Nunez is a good sign and I like Hwang in this respect also).

        It’s also true that they generally had lousy BABIP luck last year. In terms of xBABIP (the last calculations I did were after the Sept. 7 game), Gillaspie was hitting 55 points lower than he would have been with normal luck, Nunez was -48, Panik was -35, WIlliamson was -34, Posey was -26, Span was -19, Pagan was -13. The only ones who were lucky were Brown (+31) and Pence (+44). We can expect that that will get better because they just won’t be as unlucky.

        In general, though, you really can’t evaluate the relative effectively of the Giants hitters and pitchers unless you use statistics which take their park into consideration. Their hitters’ statistics suffer greatly from the park and the pitchers’ statistics benefit greatly from it.

      • This is a Hall of Fame post for a Cub Fan. Mr Banks says “lets play two”.

        • 2holehitting

          Manfred Mans Earth band would have to part the seas and change the direction of the Bud mans legacy for that to happen. In the mean time, I expect the Roaring Silence until Quin the Eskimo gets drafted.

    • DrLefty

      There was a game in September vs. the Padres where the bullpen melted down in the ninth and Steven Okert gave up the game-winning HR on a hanging curveball. I remember reading/hearing at the time that Brown’s pitch call was a problem there–I forget who, but it was either the announcers or the beat writers who thought so.

      • John Myhill

        Yes, that was one which the announcers noticed but there were others which I just noticed myself. Another was Moore’s disaster against Colorado on Sept. 5 where Brown just forgot to call for the cutter which Moore had recently started throwing.

        • DrLefty

          IIRC, Brown caught Moore for his first several starts as a Giant–just the way the schedule shook out–and it didn’t go that well. Once Moore started working regularly with Posey, things improved pretty quickly.

          • John Myhill

            I remember Posey caught the near no-hitter so I didn’t think of that possibility. I’ll check…

          • John Myhill

            Brown did catch Moore the first 3 starts, you’re right, but Posey caught every game after that except for the Colorado disaster. I had the feeling that maybe he didn’t even realize that Moore had added a new pitch.

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      You aren’t wrong. There were a number of times when Bochy could have put Posey in at catcher to finish the game and he didn’t and it may have cost them. Are there risks associated with this move? probably, but they seem worth it when a team is trying to win the division with not quiet enough talent. Let’s hope BB learned from this.

      • John Myhill

        I have to say that last year convinced me that although Bochy is brilliant in many respects, his learning curve is basically horizontal.

  • DrLefty

    Keith Law is rolling out his top-100 prospect list, 20 per day. He has Beede at #62, crediting his “huge bounceback year” in 2016. While he thinks Beede’s command is still an issue, Law overall likes Beede and thinks he could profile as high as a #2 starter by his late 20s. (Beede is currently 24.)

    Jose DeLeon, whom the Dodgers just traded, only ended up #73 on Law’s list. Maybe a clue there as to why the Dodgers were happy to shop him. He was much higher on lists last year.

    I haven’t seen any other Giants on Law’s list, not even Arroyo, so I assume Beede will be the only one. (Law’s released 100 through 40 so far.)

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Sounds about right to have Beede close to #50, as a B/B+ or *** pitching prospect and Arroyo somewhere near 100 as a B or *** positional prospect. Quite a surprise about DeLeon, a B+, *** prospect.

    • DrLefty

      …Arroyo was named the 4th best 3B prospect in the minors by MLB.com, so he’s getting some love elsewhere.

      • crawnik

        Darn it! I just posted the same story. Oh well, twice is nice.

        • DrLefty

          I didn’t post the link, so you win!

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    I’ve always wondered where you go to look for the remaining options players have. This chock full of 411 site has it.

    Mac has 2 options, Kelby has 2, Gorkys has 0, Osich has 3, Okert has 2, Joan Gregorio only has 1 even though he hasn’t had a cup of Joe…

    http://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-san-francisco-giants/

    • 610nm

      bookmarked. Ta!

    • DrLefty

      Awesome. Good catch. I’ve always wondered about that, too.

  • earlytimes

    Speaking of prospect rankings, which can be so fluid and subjective, of the current G’s, which player had the highest prospect ranking among Baseball America or Baseball Prospectus?

    You can eliminate Span, Parker Williamson Crawford Panik Nunez Blach, Will Smith, Law Osich Strickland and Melancon who never made BA, BP or MLB top 100. Neither for that matter did Matt Duffy or Adam Duvall.

    • DrLefty

      I want to say Bumgarner? I think he was ranked even higher than Posey as a prospect.

      • earlytimes

        nope

        • DrLefty

          I guess it depends which list and which year we’re talking about. Bumgarner was #3 on Baseball Pro before the 2009 season.

    • Lunch_Box

      Brandon Belt

      • DrLefty

        Belt was low-20s on both lists prior to 2011.

        • Lunch_Box

          I was kidding on the guess. I’m aware he wasn’t ranked high before 2011.

      • Efrain

        surely you gest…..

        • Bapah

          As in gestation?

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Matt Moore !!

      • DrLefty

        That’s right. He was a top prospect.

        BoEv did really well to peel him off the Rays when his stock was a bit down.

  • Walter Guest
  • Walter Guest

    There are only 16 3rd basemen in the Hall of Fame. That is the least of any position.
    Here is why:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scott-rolen-ron-santo-and-the-third-base-myth/

  • Lunch_Box

    I used to root for Fransden as a player, but not so much as a radio show host. Comes off as arrogant, a Mr. Know-It-All, and always referring back to his playing days as a mediocre player. How is this podcast on KNBR any different from times he likes to “subtlety” mention his MLB career?

    http://www.knbr.com/all-knbr-podcasts/

  • crawnik

    Marco says 19 days until pitchers and catchers report. We’re in the teens people! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ec698ee1a807d831d29de99e140ec093e2c5d197c36e009fcd79ca156608510.jpg

  • crawnik
  • Scout Finch Baseball

    KIR, are you our man in Amsterdam?

  • channelclemente
  • Michael Scott

    President Trump is considering lifting bans on the torture of suspected terrorists and funny looking Latinos, and he will allow employers in the private sector to follow his lead. Beginning with the first Cactus league game, Sabean will instruct Bochy to allow short-sheeting and hot foots for misdemeanor mental errors such as failing to hit the cut-off man or swinging at back foot sliders. Felony errors such as getting picked off 3rd base with Posey at the plate or failing to expand the strike zone with the pitcher on deck will draw harsher penalties- waterboarding in the whirlpool or being thrown under the bus.

    • dgg

      John McCain will hold the line.

      • Bapah

        Big Country Mike’s comment was obviously about baseball and not politics. I’m not sure about yours, even though I’m sure it was baseball inspired.

        • Alvise Contarini

          Big Country Mike is a genius. Kudos !

        • dgg

          I got your recent email and while writing a reply, accidentally deleted the whole thing. I was multi-tasking at the time.

          • Bapah

            See? I knew it was about baseball.

          • dgg

            Of course!

      • I wonder how Gabby Giffords is doing these days?

    • Alvise Contarini

      Dear Mr. Scott, I’m very lucky to shout out, loud & clear, not my president !

    • Need your Gnocchi recipe

    • channelclemente

      How does a run down work now?

      • 2holehitting

        Intravenous salt drips when the temperature is over 90…..

    • Anti-Lasorda

      As it should be…. But where does failing to tag up on a flyout rate?

  • dgg
    • Looks athletic. I posted three you tubes on last blog of him hitting and fielding. His fielding was better than his hitting.

      • dgg

        We’ll see what happens. His over-the-top bat flips will have to be jettisoned.

  • channelclemente

    Jet lag has an effect on baseball player performance. It also seems true that the effect is greater traveling West to East than the contrary. It remains to be seen whether teams will react to that or more importantly, whether MLB will give that some consideration in scheduling options. A new study makes that point.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/new-study-finds-link-between-jet-lag-performance/

    • dgg

      Jon Heyman of course piped up and said jet lag doesn’t seem to adversely affect the Giants.

      • channelclemente

        How does he know? Does he play?

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          LOL

        • dgg

          It was a rather stupid tweet by Jon Heyman.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Wrong. It was sarcasm. #ThreeInFive

          • dgg

            I’m not the only one who read Heyman’s tweet as uninformed. Andrew Baggarly responded to Heyman: “Oh, it has. Too many times they’ve played flat when it was predictable, given the schedule.”

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            CC had some post about confirmation bias yesterday…

          • dgg

            I’m not sure exactly what you mean in this context, Ryan. I’m afraid you’re going to have to explain this to me.

            Wasn’t jet lag and sleep deprivation for West Coast teams taken seriously and addressed in the new CBA? Not this year, but starting in 2018? My understanding is that in 2018, the baseball season will start 5 days earlier to allow for more off days, and there will be earlier start times for games on travel days.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Yes. Jet leg and sleep deprivation for west coast teams is acknowledged and Heyman is aware of this. I’m sure he’s aware that the Seattle Mariners suffer the worst traveling schedule. I think he was making light of the potential impact of “jet lag” as the Giants have won three titles in spite of their unfavorable traveling schedule. You don’t see the Padres, Angels, Dodgers, A’s, or Mariners winning 3 in 5 🙂

            As for confirmation bias, I think that if you don’t like someone in the media like Heyman, you will tend to interpret something he write negatively.

            As Peter might say : “you seem like someone who doesn’t like Jon Heyman…”

          • dgg

            The three-in-five history doesn’t really apply. The Giants are an older team now than they were then. Sleep deprivation when we’re older takes a greater toll and adversely affects performance mentally and physically.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Nice that this is being addressed and Giants have those custom seat/beds on their plane for cross country flights.

          • dgg

            …and a sleep doctor/specialist.

          • channelclemente

            Of all people Heyman ought to know he’s not funny, and sarcasm falls flat on the web. Christ Scout, read your tattoo, surly you have one describing your attempts at humor here, just as a handy reminder.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            That settles that. Thank you for the edification.

          • channelclemente

            Lay that 8-ball down lad.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Good thing Honolulu doesn’t host an MLB squad. But you know they used to host a minor league affiliate? – and the Pirates were one of them, you can see it on early Barry Bonds baseball cards. Not sure how they worked that out or how many other teams were affiliated there. By golly, there should be a book on this subject. I imagine quite a bit of ball was played at Schofield back in the day as well.

          • channelclemente

            You know, I recall people on a baseball field playing in film of that day.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            From Here to Eternity….

            Can’t say I’ve seen the movie, but it’s a very fine novel.

          • channelclemente

            I suspect it will require schedule modification. This year about 3 days has been added into the season by shortening Spring Training. What they need to do is go back to 154 games, and make all travel day games, day games.

  • Most Likely a re-post, otherwise enjoy http://tinyurl.com/hqpr9a5

  • Walter Guest

    Mary Tyler Moore dead at 80.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Where’s my man in Amsterdam, Keepin’ It Real??

    Rockies go Dutch.

    https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/824348771517681673

  • 2holehitting

    RIP MTM, the cutest actress on TV in the 60’s and 70’s.

  • Billy Beane has fallen in love with re-signing ex A’s

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Billy Bean has fallen in love with making A’s ex-A’s ???

      • “That’s Right Lon”

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Do you speak of Adam Rosales by chance?

          • Correctamundo

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Dodgers traded for a guy the A’s DFA’d, who was in the Royals system before: Brett Eibner.

          • I wonder what George Herman Ruth could pull off the $ pile of FA – if he were alive and in his prime?

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            With modern and year-round conditioning? Good question. Mr. Mays would be a 200+ million dollar man.

    • Efrain

      at this point 25% of all MLB players seem to be ex A’s lol

    • Lunch_Box

      So Mike Gallego has a chance?

  • channelclemente

    Usain Bolt loses an Olympic Gold in the relay (4×100), because his team mate was discovered to be doping.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/sport/usain-bolt-triple-triple-nesta-carter-doping-gold-medal-beijing-2008-relay-4x100m/

  • 215-ish in CAL and 515-ish in Canuck Land

    Am listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bUP7BVn5JY

  • Baggs must be exercising his Jeopardy awards – cuz I don’t see any wrinkle….

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/24/giants-notes-gm-evans-adds-new-wrinkle-to-left-field-competition/

  • Whatever Lefty had/has and thousands of others – kind of sacked the Logo. #getbettermrwest

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/25/warriors-executive-board-member-jerry-west-hospitalized-but-doing-fine-team-says/

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    DOW closes at 20K !

    America is great again. Our work is done. Mission accomplished. Let’s all go home. Hash tags.

    • DrLefty

      Dow Jones the day Obama took office: 7,949. On his last day: 19,743.

      • GSDUbs

        …and now the Dow over 20,000. All credit to Trump.

    • channelclemente

      The irony is that it’s driven by the Tech stocks primarily. A lot of folks are shorting the market now. Tech bubble?

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Boom?

        • channelclemente

          One hopes not.

  • DrLefty

    Check out who was at the SF March on Saturday!

    https://twitter.com/daphatroan/status/824370786571988992

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Got to make certain this isn’t that Brazilian cab driver. But right on. Does Tim still live in SF?

      • DrLefty

        I know he had a teacher girlfriend in SF. Maybe he was joining her.

      • 610nm

        I understand Timmy’s pretty good at operating a crane!

    • Lunch_Box

      Are they sure it’s not the Brazilian guy who was pretending to be Timmy?

  • channelclemente
  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Checked the WBC roster for Korea and no Hwang Jae-Gyun 🙁

    It would have been cool to watch him play, but he’s getting as ready as he can for SF big league camp.

    Kang Jung Ho also not on the roster.

  • channelclemente

    Fun article, that teaches about confirmation bias…you get to take a quiz, click click. It has cool graphs at the end as a party favor. You have to read at least the last paragraph. Here that Efrain and others.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/baseball-is-amazing-and-stupid-a-quiz/

    • Efrain

      should be titled the “Adam Rosales Quiz” lolz

  • I wonder how many TWG’s would ride this Alpine Slide in Kandersteg, Switzerland?​

    ​https://www.facebook.com/TravelPicsPage/videos/456667771195245/

    • 12xu

      Nice video. I rode one of those slides after visiting a section of The Great Wall called Mutianyu just outside Beijing.

  • channelclemente

    The Dodgers rotation has produced 34.1 WAR over the last two years. Kershaw has 15.1 of them. Folks, that’s exposure.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      And he only made 21 starts last year.

      What do you expect from Maeda, Hill, Urias, Kazmir, McCarthy plus others this year?

      • channelclemente

        If he hiccups they’re toast, and any other POV, IMO, is whistling by the graveyard. They’ve had the most total different starters over the last 2 years by far. All that’s allowed that to happen is Kershaw’s dependability. They are on a bubble.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Not sure how they survived without him last year but somehow they did. Giants epic collapse sure helped.

          • channelclemente

            Yeah, we had our issues. IMO, they survived because they threw so many different arms with so little film and scouting on them available.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Hmmmm.

          • DrLefty

            Beyond Kershaw and Greinke, the only starter over a total WAR of 3 over the past two years is Maeda at 3.3.

      • JStreet

        Injuries. Or, put another way..
        https://youtu.be/nXibq_9Q8gI

      • 610nm

        De Leon traded away. Might not be that smart. But this discussion is why Dave Roberts got manager of the year, w/o having so very much behind that danged Kershaw.

        • Bapah

          Dadgummit.

      • DrLefty

        Steamer projections:
        Maeda: 157 IP. 2.7 WAR
        Urias: 114 IP. 2.1 WAR
        Hill: 145 IP, 3.2 WAR
        Kazmir: 55 IP, 0.9 WAR
        McCarthy: 60 IP, 1.0 WAR
        Ryu: 18 IP, 0.3 WAR

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Kazmir, McCarthy, and Ryu, LOL.

          Ryu was looking really good for a run, and then kaplooey!

    • DrLefty

      Giants’ rotation WAR 2015-16 is a total of 22.7–10.1 is Bumgarner. Of course, the Dodgers had Greinke in 2015, and he had an amazing year. The Giants had a bad rotation in 2015. Most of the positive WAR from the last two years, besides Bum, came from Cueto, Samardzija, and Moore, plus a bit from Jake Peavy and Chris Heston.

      The lowest pitcher WAR over the last two years is Cain, -0.5. Even Blach is a positive 0.2, just in 17 innings.

      • channelclemente

        Another book that might intrigue you, The Dictator’s Handbook. In part it was drawn from the work of a UCD historian, Spenser, I think, although he isn’t an author.

    • Scout Finch Baseball
  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Love it when you take something apart (a small pump within a machine in this instance), and without finding anything to replace or repair, put it back together and reinstall it and the machine somehow works better and is “fixed”. This is almost on par with turning your computer off and back on to “fix” a problem.

  • “Is it you and I who are crazy, or is it everyone else?” “There’s little in the world I can change, and of that, little wants to be changed.”

    — Ashleigh Brilliant

    • JStreet

      We had this one on our refridge for years – “Scientists say we use 10% of our brain. That’s way too much. By doing just a little every day, I can gradually let the task completely overwhelm me.” – Ashleigh Brilliant

  • Michael Scott

    Introducing The Netherlands to Donald Trump

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjqxiX5OeuY

    Good stuff.

    • Michael Scott

      Don’t tase me, bros, or bro-ettes. I’m a public educator, this is NOT politics.

    • JStreet

      You sir = on a roll. And I don’t mean a Dinner Roll.

      • Michael Scott

        More proof that I am a lady’s man- I can’t remember your first name, but I remember Diane’s.
        Hope that she’s doing well.

        • JStreet

          She’s doing real well, and thanks for asking. She’s working again, part time, playing music with me at wineries and ciderhouses. And tonight, she just cooked a terrific meal featuring fresh caught Morro Bay sole and black cod, with roasted root vegetables. Your encouragement and shared experience and ongoing cheer are noted and cherished. Thank you. Keep those cards and letters coming in.

  • Michael Scott

    OK, I’ve been doom and glooming it lately, but here is really really great news for sports fans. Maybe the most terrific news EVER in the whole wide world of sports television- Brent Musburger is retiring in 6 days.

    • Bapah

      I used to hate him a lot more than I do now. Of course I haven’t heard him in over ten years so that may have had some impact on that. I’ve detested him for at least 40 years, anyway.

      • Michael Scott

        One report said that he is a sports television icon. Yeah, Civil Rights icon John Lewis, Medical research icon Jonas Salk, literary icon Leo Tolstoy, Olympics games icon Jesse Owens, Sports television icon Brent Musburger, Humanitarian icon Mother Teresa…..

        • steve k

          ok, let’s play ‘which doesn’t belong, and why’

          • Michael Scott

            Easy question, Steve. Mother Teresa was not all that.

    • JStreet

      I thought he was over at Wally Pipp’s.

  • channelclemente

    SMH. The sports memorabilia industry at its best in cashing on the recent player deaths in the DR.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/memorabilia-company-promoted-sale-of-autographed-baseballs-from-two-players-who-just-died-in-car-accidents/

    • Bapah

      Classy.

      • channelclemente

        Can you imagine when those two old gentlemen Mays and McCovey pass.

  • 12xu

    Trump is angry that he lost the zombie vote.

    • Lunch_Box

      That’s because he has doesn’t have a brain for the zombies to feast on.

  • channelclemente

    ~25% of Kershaw’s innings last year were against the Giants.

    • 610nm

      Yikes. I can remember Ron Santo griping that Albert Pujols came up to bat against his Cubs about every 6th AB. Kershaw feels like 50% of his innings.

      • DrLefty

        I swear to Gouda that Nolan Arenado is up EVERY INNING when the Giants play the Rox.

        • Bapah

          I think we ought to have Jonah coach third and use every dirty trick and childhood secret to harass and annoy him on every pitch.

    • 2holehitting

      No wonder he has such a low ERA and high K rate.

  • channelclemente

    NFL attendance this year is off 8%.

  • steve k

    clutch posted a real nice article down below, (there are some nice pictures too if reading isn’t your thing) and, right on time, he had a great game tonight. he seems like a very nice kid (mcadoo… ok clutch too), and a very hard worker.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Any relation to Bob? I barely remember him as a Laker.

      • DrLefty

        Nephew or second cousin or something. Not a close relative.

        • steve k

          his father is bob mcadoo’s 2nd cousin..nice call doc…and foots, you don’t remember him? i keep forgetting how young everybody is..

          • Moooooooooose

            Lefty is slipping!

          • totalfan62

            I’m old enough to remember 1973, the Buffalo Braves (who became the San Diego/Los Angeles Clippers) had Bob McAdoo and Ernie (no) DiGregorio. They scored like 125 points every game…and won by a basket or two. They could really fill it up. I think Randy Smith was on that team as well.

          • steve k

            i can always count on you, my friend. ernie no di…lol. yep, randy smith (a long island kid), was the point guard, and he could fly up court. with him they had a fast break on every possession!

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            It’s a like a faint memory. He was with the Lakers from 81-85. I think I remember liking his name and would shoot shots on my backboard that was attached to the roof pretending I was him with the winning shot. Yep, the Lake Show was my team: Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Showtime, Chick and Stu…

          • steve k

            it must have been fun rooting for that bunch. they had a great rivalry with bird’s celtics. my team was the ’68-’73 knicks. reed, frazier, bradley, red holtzman coaching. they were a fun team to watch. they moved the ball around like the dubs do today. totally selfless bunch.

  • DrLefty

    We’ll miss you, MTM. RIP.

    https://youtu.be/92I04DkMEps

    • SurfCity

      MTM Productions (with Mary Tyler Moore and Grant Tinker) also brought us “The Bob Newhart Show,” ”Hill Street Blues,” ”St. Elsewhere” and “WKRP in Cincinnati”

      A great woman of comedy and her role of Mary Richards (and Moore herself) served as a great role model for women.

  • DrLefty

    Barry Zito’s playing at the Sweetwater tonight, and the Bay Area writers are having a girls’ night out. Susan Slusser tweeted this–she’s with Ann Killion and Amy G. I’m sure they’re just appreciating the person and the music. Nothing about the eye candy.

    https://twitter.com/susanslusser/status/824475295226880003

    • Lunch_Box

      You’d think he’d spend some of that $126 mil on a back-up band.

  • Walter Guest

    This is one of the greatest documentaries I have ever seen. It rivals the best movies for plotting, intrigue and action. I was in Cam Ranh Bay when this took place. During the build-up my American-Jewish friends came to me for reassurance. “The Jews will take them easily”, I told them. I had no idea what the outcome would be or why they came to me but it seemed to make them feel better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSCryr_WkeY

  • HaakAway

    My25ManGuys™ 2017
    Pick who will be on the 25-Man roster at season’s open.
    Here are the obvious “Core 18”:

    Starters: Posey, Belt, Panik, Crawford, Nunez, Pence, Span
    Bench: Hundley, Conor
    Starting Pitchers: Bum, Cueto, Moore, Samardzija
    Bullpen: Melancon, Kontos, Smith, Law, Strickland

    Post the seven others you think will make it here in response to any HaakAway post.
    To save time do not list all 25 unless you think one of these 18 will not make the 25-Man.

    ”25-25″ Deadline™
    By request here from some: You get two shots…
    February 25 is the deadline for your first picks … Spring Training is wide open then.
    March 25 is the deadline for your final picks … Spring Training is about to end then.

    *Questions? Write me at: My SF Giant Guy at g Mel d Ott com

    • HaakAway

      Example:
      My 2/25 picks – Cain, Blach, Osich, Gearrin, Mac, Hernandez, Rollins
      Optional Commentary: Cain’s contract; Osich is the New LH specialist,; Hernandez is the only CF in camp; Rollins is a Vet w/o Options

      • 610nm

        The 2nd deadline is for choosing the minor league My Guys? (I need to get my thinking cap on).

        • HaakAway

          Good Question …
          No, March 25 is simply to have a chance to update your guesses as it gets down to probably three guys that are clearly “o0n the bubble”.

          Minor League picks is the @RealMyGuy™ and cannot happen until those minor league rosters are settled … April 15 is that deadline.

      • Bapah

        To leave Okert out of the discussion is very short-sighted.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Okert vs. Osich. A battle of two lefties with good stuff, not too far from each other in the phone book, and with options available (dramatic sound effect).

          • DrLefty

            Plus they kind of even look alike. It’s confusing.

          • JStreet

            Yes. Reminds me of the Mejia-Mijares flap of a couple years ago, except one was righty, one lefty. Mirror images, I recall. And one of them really stunk the place up. That one time.

        • HaakAway

          I think he has as good a chance to make the team as Osich but t hey both will not. Lefty reminds me that Osich tanked last year so I may be a year behjind in my image of him when he was sub-2 ERA entering the last week of the season.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Rollins, Ruggiano, Parker, Cain, Hernandez, Gearrin, Osich

      • steve k

        no mac? poppycock and balderdash

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          No Tommy, No Mac. Optioned. This is my bold, spicy prediction.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            No Blach either.

          • steve k

            you’re mad i say. mad.

          • DrLefty

            I hope you’re wrong about all of those. I would be deeply disappointed in the Giants if they screwed those three guys over. They’ve come up through the system, they’ve waited their turn, and they’ve produced when they’ve been given the opportunity.

            I remember how Mac was pretty much the only bright spot on the team in July as they started into a tailspin. I remember how Kelby filled in capably for Panik for nearly two months in 2015 and was the only guy on the team in September 2016 who could get a clutch hit. And I certainly remember Blach outdueling Kershaw in a must-win game and getting the win after two scoreless innings in an elimination playoff game.

            All of those guys deserve to be on the team this year. Those spots should be theirs to lose. If they get injured or are awful in spring training, maybe it’s a different story, but as of today, they should be written in ink on the 25-man roster.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Recall, I won this contest last year. I know my Giants front office and the kind of veteran inclined decisions they make 🙂

            Those players with options will get their chance. They’ll get everyday time early in AAA and be ready to contribute later and get their AB’s and IP. 162 is a long haul. Opening day is just a blip on a calendar.

          • DrLefty

            I see Ruggiano before Rollins. His splits vs lefties are good and he has some pop. The Giants have a lot of infielder alternatives besides Rollins and he’s old and probably washed up. If he looks fabulous in AZ, maybe, but I’d say the odds are pretty strongly against him at this point.

            I also believe Mac is going to beat out Parker for the starting LF job. It just makes more sense because of the all-around tools and especially because Mac is another RH power hitter.

            The prospect of Cain being in the rotation at all, ever, this season is very troubling. I hope they don’t go there.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            There’s a little blurb about the possibility of the Dodgers taking measure to preserve Urias and limit his innings by not starting the season with him on the roster – meanwhile checking to see what they have with their previously injured dudes. He deserves to make their OD roster, but may have to wait.

          • DrLefty

            Well, Urias is 20 years old. It makes sense. Blach is a 26-year-old innings eater who led the PCL in innings the last two seasons and pitched over 180 innings last year when you combine AAA and the Giants. There is no need to preserve his innings.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Good ol’ Matt Cain and his 20+ mil is Blach’s only impediment at this point. So I guess he has to hope Cainer blows up in ST.

          • DrLefty

            I’d say the fact that Matt Cain has been flat-out dreadful for the last four years should be the biggest impediment. If I were in charge, I’d be actively promoting a competition for that spot–Blach, Suarez (the RH one), Stratton, Blackburn, Beede–because even if Blach weren’t already deserving, Cain clearly is NOT deserving. They need an upgrade. Cain’s combined WAR over the last three years is -0.6, and the only reason it’s not worse is how much time he missed.

          • JStreet

            So he’s got that going for him. Which is nice.

            I’d have to consult the Dali Lama before I decide on my final list.

          • JStreet

            I’m with her. Political or not, that is where I stand.

      • HaakAway

        Ruggiano has not gotten my notice … good to be nudged to look him over.
        Is Osich the new Lopez/LOOGY?
        And Blach mowing them down in Sac until Cain playes out?

  • 610nm

    My friend in South Korea used to tell me everyone there was an LA fan (large Korea-town in LA, mainly). I’ve pretty much got my friend convinced that LA isn’t the right CA team! Maybe Hwang Jae-Gyun can finish off that conversion with the whole country, as my friend says “Hwang is pretty good and hope that he can have a good time in US.”

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Just reading that Hyun Jin Ryu is feeling good. He’s a big part of that Korean fanhood. They had another guy several years ago: Hee Sop Choi ? And of course they also had Chan Ho Park. Plus, Korea Town covers a pretty big piece of urban pie in downtown LA. It’s a pretty cool place – there’s a great Oaxacan restaurant and there’s the La Brea Tarpits Museum down the road where mammoth, saber tooth tigers, and direwolves would get bound for eternity.

      But maybe Hwang can swing the pendulum up north.

      • 610nm

        I do like bibimbap! It will be cool if Hwang does well. I should pick him over Gillaspie in Haak’s game, at least in round #1, just to be a bit contrarian. This feels like a good pickup for the Giants.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          I love bibimbap too!! My wife is half Korean and she makes a pretty good bibimbap with the egg on top. And I love Korean style BBQ ribs. This time around, the butcher sliced those extra thin Korean style ribs from the steer we sent. So good. When we go to Southern California, we stop at a Korean supermarket to get some goodies and eat at the deli there. I believe dgg has Korea connections as well.

          You can also count me in for the Hwang bandwagon.

          • HaakAway

            Hwang over Conor or Rollins/KT?

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Eventually. Not right away.

          • JR may be a lock unless he runs a 8.0 home to second.

          • HaakAway

            Vet with no options?
            Will get a chance but packs it up at the ASB if he is at .220?

          • I believe it will come down to:
            Runner on sec with no outs – did JR get ’em’ over?
            Runner on third with IF back – did JR get ’em’ in?
            Runner in third with IF IN – did JR crank a Warning Track SF to get ’em’ in?

            Won’t be all batting average IMO

          • HaakAway

            Non-tangibles … Yes, I think Bochy and Co. would look foer those too.
            So you are saying he has a chance…

          • Unfortunately for 85% of TWG’s – I think he has a huge chance.

          • 610nm

            mmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jjamppong
            I once had a chance to visit South Korea but my host seemed to think I was kidding about wanting to see a game there, so he didn’t arrange a ticket. My friend has promised to take me, if I ever get back there.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            These days, you will find a decent # of ex-major leaguers.

          • Walter Guest

            Worked with Korean contractor in Nam. They taught me to like kimchi made with cabbage. I’ll have to look around here for some. Tried to make it myself but without success.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            MMMMMmmmmm. Kimchi is so good. I grow my own napa cabbage and either my wife or her mom will convert to delicious spicy, tangy chimchi.

      • Ryu=Flabby

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Too much bibimbap!!

          • JStreet

            Is that a type of jazz? Offshoot of bebop maybe.

          • JStreet

            Ah, see your explanation below. As you can see I’m a little insulated when it comes to food choices here.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Clam chowder and more clam chowder, with a bread bowl?

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Gangnam style?

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Surprising to read the rumor/note that the Giants are among teams “most aggressively” pursuing left handed relievers. This coming from Buster Olney. I have a feeling if Javy comes back on a guaranteed deal, there might be some protests in the street – “Not my LOOGY” ?? Other than him, Craig Breslow? Boone Logan? Jerry Blevins? JP Howell?

    • DrLefty

      That IS surprising. You’d think Smith, Osich, and Okert would be plenty. They signed Matt Reynolds back, too, and if Cain gets the rotation spot, there’s Blach. This sounds like Bochy to me–he was used to having Affeldt and Lopez for so many years, so he wants another creaky veteran.

      • Kramerica

        I think it shows, at least for the time being, what the organization thinks of Osich and Okert. Osich was wildly inconsistent and pitched downright poorly last year and Okert has minimal experience (although looked great in his September stint at LA). Nonetheless it’s interesting. And, Javier Lopez was a GREAT Giant but they better not dare bring him back. He is completely finished as an effective RP.

        • DrLefty

          Yep. Osich was bad with a capital BAD last year, and I’m very dubious about him at this point. He also seems a bit emo and high-maintenance to me.

          I guess I can see why the Giants would want some depth there, with Osich having crashed and burned pretty spectacularly and Okert so very unproven, but…sheesh. I’m so tired of them relying on old relievers. They’ve finally cleaned out the old guard and have a chance to build a young core for years to come.

          • Sphincter issues

          • JStreet

            Are you saying the new LHPs need to pass some sort of smell test? That’s how dogs evaluate.

          • Yes Lon, but in this case they measure a quivering factor in the bull pen prior to being called to the mound.

          • channelclemente

            A lot of folks said that in ’08-09 as well. We got there. I’d be satisfied with effective relievers, age is sort of irrelevant.

          • DrLefty

            It’s “sort of” irrelevant, IMO. The Giants shot themselves in the foot by riding the aging “Core Four” for a year or two too long. The bullpen began to implode in the second half of 2015, and we all know about 2016. Besides those guys, who I’ll admit had earned some loyalty, they kept filling in with cheap journeymen like Machi and Mijares and David Huff and the like, rather than developing their own younger guys into reliable relievers. Kontos got bounced back and forth for years until he finally ran out of options and they had to commit to him. I think they frankly wasted an opportunity to have their Core Four guys mentor younger guys so that the next generation would be ready to go when the time came.

            I’m of the opinion that the Giants have more-than-adequate bullpen talent ready to go. The addition of Melancon is important, Smith was a solid pick-up, and Law and Strickland both had excellent seasons. Kontos and Gearrin are also valuable. Just pick your second lefty and let it ride.

          • channelclemente

            What you’re describing is the natural course of events, IMO. They thought, I presume, they had ‘reloaded’ with the current crew, but when they tried to intercalate them in, they lacked the talent to carry the load. Kontos was bounced around how.. he got pulled for being a slider happy batting tee from time to time. You can complain about the quality of the kids, but not that a transition wasn’t tried. Smith is as yet, untested, IMO, in a situation where hos spots aren’t carefully managed, not a popular opinion. Younger is not a synonym for better.

          • Bapah

            A lot of the problem is with Management (on- and off- field) not letting one or two ride out the rough weather without being shuttled up and down. I put a lot of the 2nd half issues on Boch and the FO running a circular escalator. That and the quick hooks in many cases.

          • channelclemente

            I’m certainly not arguing the facts, but, rather, the motivation behind them. You don’t use ‘the hook’ except when you think it’s necessary. I don’t think anyone can say, including Bochy, that he doesn’t bare any responsibility, but I contend his useful options are more imagined than real. No one in his right mind should believe that was much of a bullpen last year, young or old. What people seem upset about is that Bochy didn’t successfully make a sow’s ear into a silk purse.

          • Bapah

            By quick hooks, I mean silly match-up switches in games that were lost by poor offense.

          • channelclemente

            Poor offense usually implies a superior opposition pitching performance. When you’re a fan, and cheering, context is the last thing on your mind, LOL. If you hit your spots, pretty much all pitching performances lead to ‘poor offense’. Pretty much everything we know about baseball away from the excitement of a game says hitters for the most part thrive off hitting mistakes.

          • DrLefty

            Again, we’ll never agree on this. I think Law and Strickland are plenty talented. Osich was very good in 2015; time will tell if that or 2016 was the real him. Okert is talented. Kontos is very useful if used correctly and not overworked.

            Older is also not a synonym for better, especially in sports. There’s a sweet spot between youth and experience. Experience can’t compensate for physical decline–look at the latter days of Tim Hudson and Jake Peavy, two formerly excellent pitchers with great experience but without the physical stuff to keep getting it done.

        • steve k

          i agree w/every point you made.

      • JStreet

        I like Smith.

        • DrLefty

          Me too. They traded a lot to get him. I hope Evans doesn’t give Bochy more excuses not to use him.

      • JStreet

        Maybe Haak can start a CreakyVeteranGuy™ Contest for us.

      • channelclemente

        To be effective, you have to find the strike zone and hit your spots. Our current crew haven’t, IMO, mastered that skill.

        • DrLefty

          I’d say that’s a fair comment about Osich, who really was terrible last year. Okert has barely gotten started, and Smith was rock-solid for the last six weeks of the season after a couple of bumpy outings right after the trade.

          • channelclemente

            Smith was rock solid is, IMO, an urban myth.

          • DrLefty

            He gave up 0 runs and 2 hits in 13 appearances in Sept./Oct. Batting average against was .074. He struck out 14 batters in 27 ABs.

            If that’s not rock-solid, I don’t know what was. Are you just down on Smith because you want to defend Bochy’s underuse of him?

          • channelclemente

            Look at his usage and drop in innings load when he got here. That, IMO, is what changed between Milwaukee and here. His ‘rock solidness’ is a consequence of the situations he was used in. I defend Bochy because of his track record. In any case, this isn’t a matter of defending anyone, just trying to sort through events and the motivation for events. I respect Bochy and think it a bit disingenuous to be critical of the same management style that brought 3 WS in a fit of pique because of a disappointing season. That smacks of sophistry, IMO. There are some interesting ‘whys’ to be discovered I think without vilifying a manager because the tribe thinks eating that manager will give it a better outcome.

          • DrLefty

            Well, we’ll never agree on this, but I think the “disappointing season” was about 80% Bochy’s fault, and I think he’s the single biggest limiting factor as to whether they’ll have a good season this year. It’s not simply “villifying.” I truly believe he failed at his job last year in pretty spectacular fashion. It’s not personal. I just think he did poor work.

            It’s not only about last season, either. I fundamentally disagree with Bochy’s leadership style. I hate the way he treats young players and I strongly believe in merit over seniority–whoever is playing the best should play, regardless of contract/veteran status. I really appreciate Joe Girardi’s approach to this and wish that Bochy was more like him, or like Terry Francona or Joe Maddon or even, dare I say it, Dave Roberts.

          • channelclemente

            Fault isn’t a very useful perspective to evaluate from. As to your alternative cast of characters, be careful what you wish for. All of them, one time or another, have been painted with the same brush people want to use on Bochy. The hard truth is last year we didn’t have enough soldiers who could shoot straight. That’s an organization issue, and Bochy is part of that organization. Girardi is catching hell in NY for much the same reasons Bochy is here. You know what happened to Francona in Boston. IMO, we’d all be better suited to discover reasons and quit assigning blame.

          • Bapah

            As it stands right now, I’d put my Monopoly money on Okert.

    • JStreet

      Howell can be very good.

    • earlytimes

      Surprised if it’s anything more than a Hwang type deal.

  • crawnik
  • Bapah

    “Officials at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) informed staff at both agencies that they were not permitted to speak with reporters or discuss research projects as of Monday, Scientific American reported. Employees at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) received similar instructions, according to Science.”

    Scientists are organizing a march on Washington, DC, according to The Washington Post.
    “There are certain things that we accept as facts with no alternatives.
    -The Earth is becoming warmer due to human action.
    -The diversity of life arose by evolution.
    Politicians who devalue expertise risk making decisions that do not reflect reality and must be held accountable. An American government that ignores science to pursue ideological agendas endangers the world.”

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Amen. And dear God, helps us all.

      Are T-shirts in order? “I’m NOT with stupid”

      • HaakAway

        T-Shirts:
        “Be Calm … Do Your Job”?
        “Be Calm … Reporters Not Required”?
        “My Boss is Under the Bus”?

        I am a CoreIssuesGuy™ . Protect the environment fully using the statutes you have and keep making your case without showing disrespect. Like a baseball team with a New Manager, more In House conversations help, all else hurts. [See GG, this is about baseball…]

        • Bapah

          In some areas of science there is no need to “keep making your case”. Some things are no longer refutable.

          • Alvise Contarini

            And who keeps on refuting is a dirty SOB.

    • Alvise Contarini

      Scientists of the American Universities are free to inform the world. Tuck that Frump.

  • Is Mac the new Chris Dominguez?

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Indians sign Austin Jackson to minor league deal. Dodgers sign Brandon Morrow to similar. Reds sign Scott Feldman. Nats re-sign Stephen Drew. Nats still don’t really have a closer, they didn’t sign Holland, that would be the Rockies that did that. There’s an arms race in Denver – they’re stockpiling weapons…

    Saw Huell Howser visiting a Nike missile system at the Marin Headlands on PBS last night…

    http://alpha.fdu.edu/~bender/N-view.html

    • channelclemente

      I miss Huell. Interesting tidbit, those Nike anti aircraft missiles had nuclear warheads.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        That’s one way to deter a nuke, nuke it out of the sky.

        • channelclemente

          That was the theory then.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Speaking of nukes and scientists, scientists usually don’t make silly, symbolic gestures. Some may think of this as silly, but…

    ‘an attention-catching signal that was meant to acknowledge “what a
    dangerous moment we’re in, and how important it is for people to take
    note.”

    “We’re so concerned about the rhetoric, and the lack of respect for expertise,
    that we moved it 30 seconds,” she said. “Rather than create panic,
    we’re hoping that this drives action.”’

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/science/doomsday-clock-countdown-2017.html

  • steve k

    just found out that one of my favorites, greg trooper, passed away last week. he was a singer songwriter that very few people were aware of. i hope foots, j st, diane, cc, c/u, and the other music lovers give him a listen. the guy was really under rated i thought..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnhAXD5R1M4&index=23&list=PLHhptGmWJn7dn3W489W6AwNV71yL3ioyx

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSQ40jisn9A&list=PLHhptGmWJn7dn3W489W6AwNV71yL3ioyx&index=48

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHhI0PqaKD8&list=PLHhptGmWJn7dn3W489W6AwNV71yL3ioyx&index=17

    • channelclemente

      From first song, reminded me that my grandfather used to hobo with Jimmy Rodgers when my grandfather was a teen. He ‘hit the rails’ when he was 14 or so. Road for 2-3 years.

  • I sent this to my friend back home in Half Moon Bay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zye7IPXojSc#t=16

    They live on property on the Cabrillo Coast Highway 1. She said since there are many “Cowboys” around they invested in one similar however the one she had installed is a gun/shotgun/rifle being locked and loaded upon hearing outside noise.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6xY32abt4U

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Apparently, there’s a new worst farm system in baseball, the Marlins. They appear even thinner than the Angels. Other bottom feeders include the Diamondbacks and perhaps systems from Detroit, Baltimore, and Seattle. The Giants are a cut above and closer to the middle than the bottom.

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/1/26/14400624/miami-marlins-top-20-prospects-for-2017

  • channelclemente