Spring Training Preview: Game 21, Rockies Vs Giants

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Greek Giant

With BCraw and Buster playing for Team USA in the World Baseball Classic, The Giants will showcase more playing time for players like Nick Hundley, Trevor Brown, Jimmy Rollins and Gordon Beckham. Today the Giants face the Rockies at 6:05 Pacific in Scottsdale.

Bleacher Report just published an interesting article on the most disappointing Giants in Spring Training so far. The list may surprise you. Maybe Matt Moore has not been that sharp and Hunter Pence has looked a little ragged but Spring Training is mostly nonsense when it comes to stats, especially with regards to the Giants Won-Loss record.

The goal is to keep your players healthy, get them in prime game shape and evaluate young players for needed roster spots, in that order, as I see it.

Tonight at 7 PM Pacific, Team USA takes on Puerto Rico in a huge game for a right to get to the semifinals. It should be interesting.

  • paul in p.v.

    Breckeroni say,

    Tina Fey!

    • Bapah

      Pablo, did you watch that Seinfeld video with her?

    • Michael Scott

      Hey, don’t be messin’ with my Wife-in-Law.

  • Michael Scott

    *1#####

  • Michael Scott
  • Efrain

    While I agree with the whole “keep the players healthy” thing and the that Spring stats don’t mean much on the record books, I do think, having played the game and as an avid sports fan, there is something to say about momentum and consistency.

    Sure it’s one thing to say the WBC has gotten in the way and having two of arguably the best players on our team and the NL as a whole away from the team has not allowed the team to field their best, the Giants have looked pretty average. It’s easy for the fans to look at the Bum starts and say they look good.

    They have not been consistent, and while fans on this blog claim the bench “will be the best in years” what the hell does that mean? Sure it’s better, since it’s pretty much been crap fro two years. A little improvement has some dancing on the streets.

    The GIants, as I’ve said should be competitive with the top 4 pitchers, and can field a starting 8 as good as anyone, but it slides downhill from there, the overall team talent is thin compared to other teams looking to go deep into the post season.

    So it’s easy for a fan to claim the ST record doesn’t mean anything when the record is not so good. I say it’s important for teams to look sharp early.

    For example, I’m seeing a lot of these young Yankees right now and the pitching will be filthy plus young talent. They may not win the division, but their sharp ST will provide some confidence going into the season. Of course following Clippard with Betances with Chapman cna make anyone look good.

    • Michael Scott

      “I say it’s important for teams to look sharp early.” Not this early. When the flotsam has been cleared out and it’s down to last 30 or so players, we can start to get a decent look at we have.

      • paul in p.v.

        I can answer that now – jetsam.

      • Momentum = NO = Diamonds finished first last ST and Cubs 23rd https://tinyurl.com/klz4dap

        Consistency = yes = very important

  • One of MANY ways for a ML hitter to use in his pre-pitch routine. If a hitter does not replicate his routine – he usually will not replicate any success. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6eadee56d4e7e2ec24a907ed946bc9ea38f4ff7ee0d6f9a1fb541173699a6c46.jpg

  • The Oracle

    Does the Giants’ Spring Training record mean anything? It doesn’t look like it.

    2003 15-16
    2004 11-19
    2005 20-12
    2006 13-17
    2007 15-17
    2008 9-23
    2009 21-19
    2010 23-12
    2011 23-12
    2012 18-15
    2013 16-15
    2014 17-12
    2015 13-21
    2016 13-20
    2017 9-11

    • Peter Johnson

      I would say, the 2008 season was a bad year and they were bad in ST, they were a good team and had a good record 2009-2014, they had a bad year in 2013, but had injuries, the last few years they have bad in ST, because they slow played lots of players, and Peavy and Cain were getting crushed .

    • Matthew

      Thank you. Some folks refuse to learn

    • channelclemente

      To make the table interesting, what was the 162 game season W/L record each year for comparison sake. You might even generate the ST and seasonal win percentage.

      • The Oracle

        I think we all know how the Giants did in the regular season. Many are aware that they won the World Series in 2010, 2012 and 2014, and made the post season last year. Even without a graph, it’s pretty clear that spring training record doesn’t correlate very well to regular season success.

        • Peter Johnson

          They had a good or great record in ST 2010,2012, 2014, too, really bad year in 2008, witch was a very bad Giants season .

    • Surf Maui

      Most people forget that the Giants had the best record in baseball in the first half last season

      • Peter Johnson

        Only a few teams in MLB were worse in the 2nd half though, offense tanked in the 2nd half besides bad bullpen .

  • paul in p.v.

    Grist for the mill, from Brisbee:

    http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/3/17/14959552/madison-bumgarner-contract-extension-sf-giants

    God that guy’s funny: “2013 – 2016: Bumgarner is a large pitcher who eats hitters and spits out the bones on the side of the road as a warning to other hitters.”

  • channelclemente

    Anybody ever wonder how OPS is obtained.

    https://i.imgur.com/DRcDW3I.png

    • Mr. Sarcastic

      I have foud this little known equation to be very accurate as well:
      Slap Hitter + Poor Arm + Awful Fielding + No Power = S + P + A + N

      • channelclemente

        A vote in the affirmative. The calculation OPS is little known, but it gets tossed around like it was someones favorite tattoo.

        • Michael Scott

          You too? Give it a freaking break.

          • channelclemente

            Break.

          • Michael Scott

            S + P + A + N detractors:
            L.E.M.M.I.N.G.S.

          • channelclemente

            He’s a marginal pie thrower at this point in his career. I wish it weren’t so. Maybe this year he goes off like a Roman candle. Stranger things have happened.

          • Michael Scott

            See above. Gee, I just unblocked you.

          • channelclemente

            LOL. You so kind.

          • Michael Scott

            True.

          • Mr. Sarcastic

            You’re right. The mediocre numbers from last year and horrific Spring start this year don’t tell the real story of his greatness.

          • Michael Scott

            As anybody who paid attention saw, he was better after the break -which makes sense because he was just off of 3 injuries in 2015 and played in just 7 games after July 1. If you bother to look at his numbers in 2014 and when did play in 2015, you would stop crapping on him and at least wait 5 minutes into the regular season before you start in again.

          • Mr. Sarcastic

            I was basing my lemming-like comment on his 2016 numbers, but that aside, I shall grant you the 5-minute cease fire that you requested.

          • Michael Scott

            Thank you.

      • Matthew

        There are moments when Mr. Sarcastic hits one with such perfection that it soars above the clouds and lands deep into the cove….

      • Your Starting Center-fielder – per – about a zillion knowledgeable baseball people within the ORG.

        However you can breathe a sigh of relief for 2018 🙂

        • Michael Scott

          He was coming off 3 injuries in 2015, look his numbers for that year when he was able to play. About a zillion knowledgeable baseball people within the ORG understand that. Obviously the proles don’t get it.

      • They probably thought they were signing the 2014 – 184 hit version but got Grady from Sanford and Son.

  • channelclemente

    Just for parity, wOBA.

    https://i.imgur.com/4fkaMki.png

    • Skweezplay55

      Very cool. So when you see this number, what the range like and what’s a good wOBA?

  • paul in p.v.

    Earlier somebody posted a scathing interview of Krukow’s take on Crick pitching mechanics (can’t find it on csnbayarea – maybe they took it down). I can’t remember anyone in the org ripping one of their own like that, even though Crick hasn’t pitched that badly. His ERA isn’t 9.56, for instance.

    You might have thought Krukow paid for Crick’s signing bonus out-of-pocket.

    • Efrain

      Krukow, as a former Giant AND pitcher, plus the voice of the Giants for many years, has earned the right to make a critique about anyone he wants.

      If Crick has issue with mechanics, and he is obviously stuck in AAA, then now is the time for him to improve or move on.

      Don;t understand the sensitivity on this blog sometimes, its a professional sport and a business, not your friends and family.

      • Michael Scott

        I just fed data into my Blogticulater Pro 2017 and it shows that 77 percent of the GTW users don’t like the Giants, they like bitching about them.

        • channelclemente

          I still think Tejada was a blunder. LOL.

          • Giants54

            An insignificant one…

    • earlytimes
  • Efrain

    I like my uniforms classic, but I do like the green on the Giants St Patrick’s day hat. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d02aba842474484980b0458873ac0edc830b5ef5dfeb0d744bd454fae9152193.jpg

    • 610nm

      slainte mhaith, E!

      • Efrain

        I saw some people today with the Mets and Yankees versions, look pretty good on.

    • Flat Bill ?

      • Efrain

        it’s a new hat image from New Era hat website. You should know that all new New Era hats come flat billed.

        Up to each individual to mold it as they wish, just as a new glove has to be broken in.

        Why should I be spelling out the obvious?

        • Ours are 5150 NE and we wear them like Tony Francona or last night Tony Pena. Not a complete Nerd turn down but nothing pointing to the sky.

        • Matthew

          Because it allows you to be NY condescending!

        • What goes around in fashion comes back around . . .

  • Giants54

    Anyone feeling sorry for Ryan Braun?

    They calculate that if he’s being paid for every single hour of every day of spring training and the regular season, he makes $3,623.19 per hour.

    • Nah – dude can flat our rake though

      • Matthew

        He should by a leaf blower…he can afford it…not many people still rake

        • Purple Cough Syrup?

        • channelclemente

          Are you having cliche rejection syndrome?

          • Matthew

            At the end of the day….

    • Peter Johnson

      Cain makes more, and I am not feeling sorry for him either, but Fitz is on KNBR, and still putting a dig on Timmy every chance he gets, dude never does his Homework, Cain as a Giant will make 140 Million , Timmy made 99 Million, but he cries about Timmy’s contract never about Cain’s .

  • Hmmm…. No more hazing but this is pretty much an in house call of same same for Jae-gyun Hwang

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f338fe67fb693dc23889daaef4f4a9d84c9744e87687f2aea1a3f5c64ddcb447.jpg

  • paul in p.v.

    Almost forgot to put this on:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/27e6ec2ec7c66b7d564a55b11fbd459e3d3a0cf04a6f559935c92b7297e93469.jpg

    Mine’s nicer – like Timmeh’s, with the orange SF.

  • Which SF Giant am I? I say Melancon because the rest have few guarantees.

    Peggy Greene from Hillsborough California says “I have a SF Giants player recently signed looking for a 7 month rental. Prefers furnished up to $10,000 per month”. Eric Mahoney from Burlingame wrote 729 Walnut Ave., Burlingame 2 bedroom, 1 bath, hardwood floors, clean, quiet street walk to Burlingame Ave.8 month rental available 4/1/17. Stacy Glynn from Hillsborough wrote Hello. We have a house in Burlingame park area that will be available April 1. It’s a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom. Looking for $7000/month. Jessica Brandwein from Hillsborough wrote: Is he looking for local or open to SF? I have an amazing TOP floor flat in the Marina that is furnished,3BR / 2Ba available now Beautiful, large Marina flat located on the top floor of a three-unit building.
    3 bed/2 bath plus office Furnished/unfurnished.Beautiful light-filled, quiet home. Peggy Greene from Hillsborough wrote Hi Ellizabeth, I am a realtor helping out another realtor who is working with the newest member of the Giants’ roster. I am forwarding your email to her and she may contact you directly. Her name is Karen Wong-Curtis. In case she can’t reach you – would you send me your email address?

    • The Oracle

      Make sure to give us all his address and phone number, when you get them.

      • channelclemente

        Groupie.

      • Will do Officer. And make sure and let me know when the San Jose Floods have subsided as well as that other high profile item regarding Emotional People needing to bring their dogs with them in every store and food establishment. Mayor Sam Liccardo appreciates having such fine Anglo men such as yourself on duty for things like the above as well as the Sierra Lamar Trial.

        • Daughter in law doing real-estate.

    • Sgbssfg

      Melancon, but I think an 8 month rental would be more appropriate.

  • channelclemente
  • channelclemente
    • Bapah

      Thing is… he didn’t always do it alone. It’s still quite a feat.

  • Peter Johnson

    Morse in LF tonight, this might be his big test to see if he can play in the Outfield still, and that would give him a good chance to make the 25 man if he can .

    • Michael Scott

      Still?

      • Peter Johnson

        Yeah he played outfield in the 1st half of 2014 when Giants had best record in MLB for awhile, so his defense was not a deal breaker then !

        • JStreet

          Go Pete!

        • Michael Scott

          I’ll grant you- he never got hit in the head with a fly ball.

          • Peter Johnson

            You and the WAR crowd will be shocked by this but 90% of fly balls are a can of corn .

          • Michael Scott

            I’m not shocked by anything. BTW- I was one of the first, if not the first, to say that he had a good shot to make the team. And I’m for it. You were not for it. And look- he never got bonked by a can of corn either,

  • channelclemente
    • JStreet

      Car fifty-four where are you..

      • Matthew

        On the internet

  • Panda Puffs are Delicious

    How is the doctor doing with this Aggies shellacking?

    • Sgbssfg

      Not the doc, but an alumni here. Very proud of the first 12 minutes. Then Cinderella lost both shoes. Their coach’s T didn’t help. Figure it will be a moral victory if the top seed doesn’t double the score.

      Then again, we’re the #6 public university in the nation. Academics count.

      • Panda Puffs are Delicious

        Hey as a fellow UC member (not Davis, SB) I was rooting for them but Kansas be good.

  • Michael Scott

    What is it about March that makes everybody angry?

  • Bapah

    Who the hell is doing the radio PXP?

    • Yogi

    • Bapah

      Sorry, unbeknownst to me MLB switched me to the Colo broadcast and this guy is horrible.

  • giantc

    If you like watching BP I suggest tuning into the Giants game right now.

  • Matty “the shelton pony” Cainer.

    0-2

  • giantc

    Cain with 2 runs over 2 innings and only 5 hits allowed. On a positive note by giving up just one run per inning he has lowered his Spring ERA.

  • Appalled7

    First game I actually get to see on TV this year, and i tune in to see Cain wearing a silly hat and serving up hits. On the plus side, I am really enjoying the addition of Hundly to the Giants.

    • Matthew

      Hey….Jazzy is wearing the same damn hat in the dugout.

      Cain’s a good dude that is at the end. Treat him well.

      • Appalled7

        The color scheme is good with the orange and all, but it’s a little jarring. I’m Irish, and I live in Dublin, where we do St. Patrick’s Day up BIG, but still.

        Cain will forever have a piece of my heart, which is why I don’t like to see him giving up hits.

        • Matthew

          Fair enough…those caps are appalling.

          • Appalled7

            And yet now I want one to wear in the Dublin St. Pat’s Parade tomorrow.

        • Sgbssfg

          Isn’t it 2:00AM there?

          • Appalled7

            Dublin, California. East Bay.

          • 610nm

            “across the pond” sorta.

          • Appalled7

            Depends on your perspective, I suppose.

          • Matthew

            Not “Dooblin”

          • Appalled7

            Although, last year at this time I was in THAT Dublin (or Dooblin, as Matty says). Now that was a truly awesome St. Patrick’s Day.

    • giantc

      Cain is amazingly consistent though — one run each inning.

    • 12xu

      Another benefit is you get to see how the ball is coming out of Cain’s hand and his arm slot.

  • 12xu

    Not a fan of these green caps. In Chinese culture, if a man wears a green hat, it means he’s a cuckold.

    • Appalled7

      I’m thinking in US culture, if a man wears a green hat, it means his boss told him he had to.

    • Lunch_Box

      Nah the man doesn’t wear it, but the relatives of prostitutes do. Wearing green hats is the expression of an unfaithful wife or girlfriend.

  • Brownie

    Can we just cut Cain? Please?

    • Appalled7

      Haha…but no bias, right?

      • Brownie

        I’m biased?

        • Appalled7

          You were calling for Cain to be cut before the first pitch of ST.

          • Brownie

            yep and he has sucked for a long time. I’m realistic

          • But unaware of MLB culture. He’s not tryng to suck

          • Peter Johnson

            He’s tring give him a trophy , along with his 130 Million Dollars!!!

          • I never said that but perhaps you are making stuff up…

    • Matthew

      Hey! How are you? Married yet?

      Haven’t seen you here lately, Brother.

      • Brownie

        LOL, I’ve been married for 10 months. Work is killing me.

        • Matthew

          Atta babe. Hang in there. We’re here as your group therapy.

    • Too many 9 Inn complete game or 2 to 1 losses when was 19 or 20 yrs old. He deserves to work it out on the 60 day DL. The Matt Cains don’t get “cut”

      • giantc

        I am fine with the 60 day DL. Just don’t hand him the 5th spot when he hasn’t been effective for years now. The team has much better options and the Dodgers will be solid again this year.

        • Trouble with all us fans plus the thousand of fanatics – we do not make the decisions and I bet there are about 75% of the Investors Group that have signed off on it being Matt Cain to start the season.

  • Sgbssfg

    Just returned after dinner with the family. I’m relieved that Cain is still pitching and there are only 3 runs in the 4th. Sad, but true. Was expecting 5 runs and a new pitcher. Has Morse been challenged?

    • giantc

      That would have been better. Even though he has given up eight hits over 4 innings Bochy is looking for any reason to make him the 5th starter which is basically conceding games in April.

      • Sgbssfg

        Equally sad, but true.

  • crawnik

    NCAA tournament is more exciting than watching Cain be Cain.

  • Matthew

    I love Jon Miller

  • 12xu

    Tapia seems vulnerable to the let-up.

  • giantc

    I haven’t seen Cain top 87 on a hot night. There isn’t much left in the arm.

  • Sgbssfg

    No silly St Patrick’s day hats at the WBC. MLB is obviously missing a marketing opportunity. Would go well with all the blondes on the PR team. The newly blonde, yet still swarthy, Angel Pagan just scored.

    • Efrain

      Hey genius, St Patrick’s day is an American holiday, plus the MLB ST games featured green hats.

      WBC is about patriotic pride for the nations involved.

      No one would want the USA to wear an off color during an international event right?

      • Sgbssfg

        Deep breath. I was mocking the MLB’s penchant to never miss a sale.

  • Well there’s USA vs Puerto Rico with Pagan leading off with a base hit (and bleached hair) for PR. Pagan just scored. PR 1 USA 0 B1

  • Matthew

    In aesthetics news….Angel Pagan has blonde hair

  • John Victory Faust

    Angel Pagan has dyed his hair the same shade as Der Leader!

    • 610nm

      4 comments in a row about this. It must be horrible.

      • It’s breaking news.

      • Matthew

        In the immortal curiosity words of the original Bond, James Bond ” Does the collar match the cuffs?”

  • Sgbssfg

    Finally figured out that the blonde bearded Carlos Beltran looks a great deal like Cliff Clavin.

    • Matthew

      Marcus Stroman looks just like Matt Cain!

    • Lunch_Box

      Who is the Norm on that team?

      • Matthew

        He’s on Venezuela

        • Sgbssfg

          The traditional Venezuelan build.

      • Sgbssfg

        Definitely not Molina, even as a blonde he looks scary.

        • Lunch_Box

          But who is pitching like Sam Malone?

    • Bapah

      Claven

      • Sgbssfg

        Gracias.

        • Bapah

          Por nada

  • Matthew

    The USA needs Affeldt

  • I think the all the hair makeover by the PR team has really gotten into Stros’ head. Total distraction. I’d be pissed.

  • Matthew

    Puerto Rico. Because I’m Worth It.

  • Lunch_Box

    Did anyone else see the KNBR bracket of Bay Area sports legends?

    http://www.knbr.com/legendsbracket/

    You know it’s bullshit and biased when Kevin Frandsen and Tom Tolbert are in the bracket.

  • Way to challenge the left fielders arm Nolan.

    • Matthew

      Just don’t challenge his butt…it’s epic ( that’s what Sgbssfg, Lefty and Appalled say)

  • Com’on Buster.

  • Matthew

    Shut up, Molina. You look like a blonde salamander in an softball uniform

  • Matthew

    I’m glad they gave Pagan some love…

  • Appalled7

    That was a nice hit from Belt. Poor pitcher had his life flash before his eyes.

  • Sgbssfg

    The bromance abides.

  • Matthew

    Brandon Crawford is an extremely instinctive baseball player

  • Sgbssfg

    Do the Giants also employ a professional teeth bleacher?

    • Appalled7

      And a tanning bed in the locker room.

    • Lunch_Box

      We know not a barber with the manes MadBum, Crawford, Samardjiza and Pagan sported last season.

  • Appalled7

    There is no reason it should, but it bugs the heck out of me that Gillaspie won’t wear batting gloves. I’m always afraid he is going to get blisters with all of the rubbing his hand in the dirt and all. And yet clearly it works for him.

    • Lunch_Box

      Does it give you bad memories of Moises Alou and what he did to toughen up his hands?

    • Gillespie is old school. Dude could play 162 games a year then get red hot in the playoffs. Not to worry. He’s a bulldog.

    • Efrain

      I think there are bigger things going on in the world for you to waste your time thinking about.

      • Matthew

        Dude…try to be a gentleman

        • Bapah

          Won’t happen in this lifetime.

      • Appalled7

        Well, gee, I guess ’cause you said so, I won’t spent 24/7 thinking about it anymore.

        I guess everybody missed the part where I said, “And yet clearly it works for him.”

    • The Oracle

      Players did fine for quite a few decades without any batting gloves.

    • Bapah

      I can remember when batting gloves were called golf gloves and only golfers used them. I can also remember when bats were varnished completely. The “Weenie Factor” was invented coincidently with batting gloves. Generally, you only wore one = on your bottom hand.

      • Bapah

        I can also remember boning bats. I wonder if guys still do that.

  • Sgbssfg

    Buster!!!

  • pacman68

    Buster will be shot by June. Hope it was worth it.

    • Matthew

      Because it wouldn’t happen in a normal spring game? C’mon, man

      • Peter Johnson

        He is platooning with Lacroy, and they are playing like 3 times a week.

        • Matthew

          Yup…I don’t know why people think these games are somehow more risky than the ones there teammates are playing at camp

    • Peter Johnson

      GO to Russia, dumbest thing ever posted on this blog , he is not even playing every day , this is his 3rd game in over a week .

  • Lunch_Box

    My boy Hwang played LF and made a solid effort to throw a runner out at the plate. Glad to see the team is trying to find a way to add him to the Opening Day roster.

    • Michael Scott

      They are looking at Hwang, Morse,and Marrero for one spot- it’s possible that none of them will make it. Of the 3, Morse is probably the favorite right now .
      IMO.

  • Matthew

    Will Little obviously has a anatomically descriptive name. Wow… he’s having a very bad game (again) and is making yet another player pay the price….

  • Cutch got hosed.

    • Peter Johnson

      Probably better for team USA , he has looked bad at the plate , people that think the Giants should trade 2 or 3 top prospects for him are crazy , his bat looks slow .

  • The Oracle

    It sounds like Cain had a great performance today, picking up 5 Ks and walking no one over 4 2/3 innings. That’s an outstanding ratio. I’m a glass half full kind of person.

    • Matthew

      TO, in general, the only time you think a glass is half full is when it’s so full, it’s spilling over the sides.

      • The Oracle

        In the big picture, I feel lucky every day.

    • John Myhill

      I have no hope that cain will be anything other than generally awful this year so i am hoping that he will be as bad as possible so that the team will waste as little time as possible on him.

    • Lmao

  • Sit down!!!

  • Nolan Nolan Nolan. Ouch.

  • Matthew

    Belt would have snagged it.

    • Sgbssfg

      Puerto Rico has discovered the RTI.

      • Matthew

        Hosmer looked like Charlie Brown on that flail

  • giantc

    Pavlovic was just on the radio saying how the Giants will go with Cain because of his past success. And 3 runs over 4 and 2/3 is not so bad. How bad 9 hits over that span. The Giants need to wake up here. He has nothing left in the arm.

    • Matthew

      I’m not sure Alex speaks for the team. Cain is a great guy who has earned some rope from those around him….but this organization wants to win.

    • Peter Johnson

      Alex is the company man, never says or writes anything that might stir the pot.

    • DrLefty

      Schulman and Baggarly both describe Bochy’s reaction as “noncommittal.” I’d say it’s 50-50 right now whether Cain starts the season in the rotation.

      • Lunch_Box

        Not sure which beat writer to go with, though I know a lot of the guys on CSN are homers like the guy who writes for the Sharks.

        I can’t believe Giants coaching staff and management would just go with Cain because of his past success but ignore his current performances.

        • Peter Johnson

          His past success was a long time ago .

        • DrLefty

          I really do think it’s going to come down to who looks better, Cain or Blach, these last couple weeks. Right now I’d say Blach has an edge because he’s been good except for one bad inning, and Cain hasn’t really had a “good” outing yet–there’s just been “terrible” and “OK, less terrible.” But if Blach has 1-2 more bad ones and Cain pitches like he did last night (“less terrible”), they might let Cain give it one more try.

          I don’t really think Beede’s in the mix right now, but it’s not 100% out, either.

  • DrLefty

    Hwang seems like a fun guy. Went to Target to get a St. Patty’s Day ensemble so he’d fit in.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BRwECKXgh27/

  • Com’on B’Craw.

    • 12xu

      Craw!!! Almost tied it up! Still, at 3rd!

  • Giants54

    Impressive ab from Crawford. Cruz is nasty

    • Peter Johnson

      No PH for Harrison , who has not hit in over a year !

      • Matthew

        But you gotta love the pop coming off our Giants players, huh?

        • Peter Johnson

          Posey should DH tomorrow in loser goes home game vs the DR, Goldy not hitting, either is Stanton are Murphy .

  • Well that’s a heart breaker. Not like the Cubs series, but still.

  • Michael Scott

    *I can’t find anyone trashing Rollins. Can’t anybody multi-task?
    *You can’t handle Cain and Jimmy at the same time? Geez, what a weak ass showing by you guys.
    *Pence turned 2 doubles into 2 triples. It’s tough to be the worst defender in the outfield when Morse is one of them.
    * Osich got 5 outs in the 9th. It was looking like he’d need to get 7.
    * They need to add another position for Arroyo. Like maybe the “Guy who plays in the field for no apparent reason”
    * Calixte- now I see what was under his cap, It’s his cat.
    *Gorkys- Geez, man. Mike can’t cover his position AND yours.
    * OK, I have been nice about this way way too long- Matt and Conor might be the 2 dumbest looking guys in the bigs. I’m not counting Will the Thrill. I think that it was probably the 12 brewskis. Will- get help.

  • Bapah

    I’m sure some here have already seen this, but I’m linking it anyway. Since it’s updated with each personnel move the team makes, it really handy. Plus it’s really pretty compared to regular charts. Look at some of the varied details of this thing; it may take awhile.
    http://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-san-francisco-giants/

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      This is the one. I had linked it ways back and 610 bookmarked it. Don’t know of any other site that includes player options in a chock-full table.

      • 610nm

        I did indeed bookmark that. Good stuff there.
        It makes you wonder what kind of spread sheet the front office keeps on players and positions. Contracts of differing lengths expiring at different times, versus changes in players status as the options/arbitration thing plays out, versus a new kid in the pipeline at some position (eg Cutch in Pittsburgh). Even jugggling an injury onto the 60 day list to put someone else on the 40man. Complex!

        • 610nm

          …and, they’re trying to keep track of other teams’ players too, to find a Marrero or a Hwang.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            something tells me that few Excel tabs aren’t enough.

    • Matthew

      In judging the projections: She will be happy with Rollins, not so much on Cain

    • buyselltrade

      Great reference site but one wonders about the expected OD line up.

      There is no back up middle infielder with Hundley, Hwang, Gillaspie, Gorkys, and Williamson as the bench (with a 5 player outfield). Parker would be starter in LF. Tomlinson would be at AAA.

      Nunez is starting 3B but one would also have Nunez as the only back up 2b and SS so Hwang and Gillaspie would more active at 3B as Nunez would not be full time there..

      Twelve player pitching staff with Cain as #5 starter and Blach at AAA and no obvious swing man or back up starter.

      • Bapah

        “Great reference site but…” But, what? But?
        I have no idea what this site (or my post) has to do with the rest of your reply. What does it have to do with anything?

        • buyselltrade

          Look a the rosterresource.com site you linked to in your post (which is a very informative site.

          Rosterresource identifies a specific 25 man OD roster.

          My comments are specific to the “expected OD line up” offered by the link you posted. You may want to look at the link you posted for reference.

  • DrLefty

    An MLB reporter asks on Twitter: With Team USA in a must-win game in San Diego tonight and Kershaw scheduled to start in AZ for the Dodgers, why can’t he just throw those innings for Team USA, instead?

    You can ask the same question about Bumgarner’s stellar six innings on Wednesday (when Team USA was playing VZ), but the difference is that the Giants have already contributed their starting catcher and starting SS to the cause. No Dodgers on Team USA, and the ones that were on Team Mexico (AGon and Romo) are out already.

    • Bapah

      I’m OK with Buster and BCraw coming home to finish ST.

      • Peter Johnson

        You are Selfish, it is all about You !!!

        • Bapah

          You are Silly. I’m as selfless as anyone here. OK, I’m not as selfless as Chef.

          • Peter Johnson

            I am sure Buster and Brandon do not want to lose tonight, they are enjoying themselves playing for the USA, and playing well too, Buster has played in 3 games since March 10th, so is not getting worn out , like you and the paranoid DrLefty think .

          • Bapah

            OK, Splay Boy, Buster took a very hard foul tip to the high inside of his right thigh that ricocheted off his cup. I know it can happen anywhere, but I wish the other catcher had been catching. I’ll bet Buster does too.

          • Peter Johnson

            He could have gotten hit by a foul tip in Giants camp as well, are gotten beaned by a A ball pitcher, get over yourself !

          • Michael Scott

            Beckham has asked to to be the front catcher – he’ll take all the foul tips so Buster won’t get hurt. He won’t even ask to borrow Buster’s Catcher’s Cup.He’ll go it cupless. You wanna talk selfless? Now THAT is selfless, my friend.

          • DrLefty

            No, you had it right. I don’t care about Buster and Craw. I’m just anti-USA. Better have me exported!

          • Michael Scott

            I’ve always been proud of my selflessinosity.

          • Bapah

            As you are with your glibnosiness.

          • Michael Scott

            That too.

          • Matthew

            You will be cheaper to deport, given your proximity to the border.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        Is it me, or does Buster look like he’s added some muscle to his upper torso? His arms looked like he’s been chopping with Bumgarner all winter. 20+ HRs?

    • Peter Johnson

      Kershaw got the loss in his start.

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      I spied Enrique Hernandez catching a ball in centerfield for the unincorporated US territory, Puerto Rico. Alex Verdugo was also on Team Mexico and I thought Julio Urias was supposed to pitch had Mexico advanced. Former Dodger, current Ray, Jose De Leon is supposed to join team Puerto Rico. Also, Kenley Jansen will be given the ball late for Bam-Bam’s Team Netherlands.

      As for punctuation, where do you stand on the Oxford comma?

      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/oxford-comma-lawsuit.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=c-column-middle-span-region&region=c-column-middle-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-middle-span-region&_r=0

      • 610nm

        I am for the Oxford comma. Never knew it had a name, until one of my friends started advocating for it.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          Is seems pretty essential to separate the last two items on a list, otherwise seems the last two get grouped together, like “bacon and eggs”. Punctuation and formatting are tough. I struggle with semi-colon usage; should I be using it now?

          BTW, thanks for the well wishes on Thursday. Even though I had to re-write and totally salvage someone else’s report, it turned into a good day. Kept the momentum going and finished a draft of a report yesterday.

          • 610nm

            It is more fun to figure things out, than to write about them. I always need some encouragement to finish the report, but it is a great feeling when over with. It is hard to work on someone else’s paper, isn’t it?

            I’m not really the person to ask about grammar. Translating Cicero as a sophomore taught me how to write extremely long sentences, with subjunctives and clauses and so on. The semicolon, colon, and dash are all ways to string things together, with a longer “pause” than a comma. Now, when I write, I’m usually trying to see where to split a sentence into two different ones, with a period. And that’s often the best.

            My sister with the English masters told me to get Hodges’ Harbrace Handbook which has gone through a zillion editions and lists a small army of English teachers who’ve contributed. So, basically it is a handbook by the Grammar Police. But it is easy to look up the “rules” in it, and they seem reasonably flexible about changes in the language.

          • totalfan62

            This mini-thread reminds me of my substantial pet peeve with incorrectly spoken English. I am a great admirer of our language–the international language–and I was fortunate to be taught at a young age by good teachers. I take pride in being well spoken.

            I cringe when I hear phrases like “where he at” or “he ain’t said nothing”, both of which I heard yesterday. Here in the South this seems more prevalent. I’ve had off-line conversations with Dr. Lefty about this, and she reminds me that English is a constantly evolving language.

            In other words, get used to it. I’ll try to do so.

      • Peter Johnson

        DrLefty and Bapah are anti American, I am going to call the Donald and have them exported !

        • Giants54

          Include me. I’m pulling for the Dominicans.

          • Peter Johnson

            See Ya

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            At least the Puerto Ricans are US citizens!

          • Giants54

            It’s far more important to the other 4 countries still alive in this. Be happy to see any of them win it.

          • paul in p.v.

            Uh, so what, Foots?

            (I’m nice today. I didn’t say, ‘Who is care?’) ;o)

        • DrLefty

          LOL @ “exported.”

          • Matthew

            The new international trade negotiations might hinder Peter’s plans

          • DrLefty

            Some of my books have sold well internationally, and I’ve keynoted a few international conferences over the years. Does that count as exporting me?

          • Matthew

            The price was recently reset at $874.38, and the Dr.Lefty International Conference Appendix (LICA) that was added in seems to be holding up final approvals…stay tuned

          • Bapah

            Be careful going to overseas conferences, one can never be sure one won’t be ported and relieved and never make it back.

          • Moooooooooose

            I think we could get a lot for you Lefty!

      • DrLefty

        Yeah, with the exception of Jansen, none of those guys are everyday All-Star players like Posey and Crawford…and now it appears that Cueto will start for the DR if they make the final.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          whoa – did not know that Cueto was still in. Good for DR; nails, spikes, pins and needles for Giants fans.

          • DrLefty

            Yes, considering how little he’s pitched in competition this spring, it’s not ridiculous to worry he’d overdo it in a championship game.

        • paul in p.v.

          I have to say, that would be awesome.

      • DrLefty

        I’m firmly pro-Oxford comma. Not even wishy-washy on it.

        • Matthew

          Rollins-level firm…

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            That’s nice, great, and all that jazz.

          • Matthew

            Hey BroCuz, are you in on Rollins or KT? I’m of the opinion that every possible thing Rollins brings is redundant at best… PH? Gillespie (LH) , Kelby or Hundley (RH). SS? Kelby. Veteran presence? Poseycrawfordbumgarnerspanpencemelancochundleyandmore

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            I can only read the writing on the wall. And although most have been biased against his case, it sounds as if any objective observe would declare that he has a minimum amount of petrol in the tank.

            Kelby and Conor should handle all back up duties. Nunez can also play SS, can’t forget that. Anybody else that wants to rent an apartment in Sacramento can check in anytime they like.

          • Matthew

            Jimmy can rent Boogie’s place. It’s available

    • paul in p.v.

      Go, Dominico.

      (But then we have to worry about J.C. running off for a couple weeks.)

  • Matthew

    An excerpt from a review of the new book “Leo Durocher: Baseball’s Prodigal Son”:

    Stoneham fired the Lip at the end of the 1955 season. During the last game of the year, Durocher pulled Mays into the tunnel behind the dugout .”He placed both hands on his shoulders and said: ‘ I want to tell you something. You know I love you, so I’m prejudiced. But, you’re the best ballplayer I ever saw…Having you on my team made everything worthwhile.’ ” Mays wept.

    • Sgbssfg

      It’s a little dusty in here, too.

  • HaakAway

    Reminder that we all have one week to submit our final My25ManGuy™ … March 25 at midnight AZ time.
    So anytime before then post your final picks in response to one of my posts [and therefore I get notice of it; otherwise I may miss it. If I don’;t confirm it, I did not get it.]
    Example: I am dropping JRoll [lousy ST] and going with Parker and Mac [no need to pick who starts over the other] both making the team.

    • Peter Johnson

      Both are not making the team, Giants front office Evans and Sabean + Bochy have said want veterans on bench , young players getting reps in AAA .

      • HaakAway

        You may be right but they seem locked in to Conor, Hundley and Gorkys so one INF’er (KT) is needed and one OF’er … What Vet OF’er has been that impressive? … Rugg got 12 of the 24 votes from us but he has not been that good. Marrero and Morse are too weak in the OF.

        Wheel sea.

        • Peter Johnson

          There is a reason Marrero and Morse and even Hwang and Beckhem are getting reps in LF , they all happen to be RH too you notice

          • Michael Scott

            The reason that they are getting some reps in LF is because they have to decide if they keep 5 outfielders. Otherwise they are out.

          • Peter Johnson

            They are going to keep 5 Outfielders, Gorkys for depth in CF, and the other backup for pop off the bench and to face Lefthanded pitchers if Parker struggle with them .

          • Michael Scott

            If Parker struggles with southpaws, Mac will be up, if he isn’t already here.And, BTW, Gorkys is not helping himself.

          • HaakAway

            Yes on Gorkys … if he does not rebound here the Giants could watch for a good CF’er with some base stealing skills that gets cut by someonelses camp … maybe a Blanco or something; he has a winning tradition I think, right?

          • paul in p.v.

            Did you see Gregor’s triple this week? He’s in fantastic shape.

          • HaakAway

            No I did not but it seems the D’Backs are using him at lead-off most box scores I see. Maybe he is a strong keeper for their 25-Man?

            The Vacuum would be fine with me too as he is not on KC anymore.

          • paul in p.v.

            I don’t know their roster, but they’d be nuts to let go of him.

            Who’s ‘The Vacuum,’ Cain?

          • HaakAway

            Dyson

          • The Oracle

            There was no reason to assume that Hernandez could be a legitimate big league player. In fact, he should’ve been considered a longshot. They didn’t plan very well with regard to CF.

          • Peter Johnson

            Gorkys, so far is not hitting but Bruce loves his glove, like I posted above Front office do not want young players rotting away on bench, so Mac in AAA to start the year, and Veterans getting reps in LF .

          • Michael Scott

            You might be right, anything is possible 😉
            But Mac and Parker would both get plenty of playing time if they stay- and I think that they might. What the FO says can change in a minute. Unless one of them goes toes up in the next 2 weeks, I think both will be here.

          • DrLefty

            Gotta have a backup CF…I’d just as soon have Ruggiano if he looks like he can still hit at all.

          • paul in p.v.

            Only saw him in one game and he was unimpressive – and slow.

          • paul in p.v.

            There’s an assumption that Gorks is the backup CF, no?

            If the Gorks flops, Gints got a big problem. (Someone brought this up last week.)

          • Michael Scott

            Well,someone was wrong. They would be better off without him. But I know where you are going with this.

          • paul in p.v.

            No hidden agenda this time. I just don’t get why Gorks has been anointed, without demonstrating any significant achievements.

          • Michael Scott

            Well, I might have to bail on Span. His last check bounced.

          • Lunch_Box

            I like that Hernandez has solid defense, but IMO that shouldn’t be the lone reason to take up a roster spot if he can’t hit consistently or when he comes off the bench. Hernandez stays, but unfortunately a guy like Morse and Hwang, who are more likely able to drive in Hunter Pence from 2B after 0 outs in the late innings, are most likely not going to make the Opening Day roster.

            Unless Parker AND Williamson make the team but Hernandez is not added, I can see Parker being the backup in CF.

    • Matthew

      So, I get to dump Slania and reset my 25?

      • HaakAway

        Zactly

    • buyselltrade

      Bumgarner
      Cueto
      Samardijza
      Moore
      Cain (probably won’t last long)

      Posey
      Belt
      Panik
      Crawford
      Nunez (I think future is versatile utility)
      Pence
      Span
      Parker

      Hundley
      Hwang
      Tomlinson
      Williamson (my druthers, management will likely chose an old guy like Morse or Hill or Gorkys as back up CF).
      Gillaspie

      Melancon
      Law
      Strickland
      Smith
      Okert
      Kontos
      Blach

      • HaakAway

        Thanks BST
        Remember you can edit this right up to the Last Minute since some cuts this week may give you a more clear picture.

        • buyselltrade

          Thank you for the reminder and also for My25ManGuy, a TWG institution.

          Just wanted to be sure I had an entry so no time like now!

          I’m ready for SF Giants baseball 2017.

  • paul in p.v.

    There are so many great clichés in here, I don’t know where to start!

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/cain-im-getting-where-i-need-get

    How about, “That’s going to happen,” Cain said.

    Yeah, Matt, that’s going to happen a lot this year.

    • Michael Scott

      Rags is going to see if Matt can pitch left-handed, the ball might come out of that hand better. This is bad news for Okert.

    • Giants54

      He was smiling and looking way too pleased with himself when he left the mound.

    • paul in p.v.

      Another thing that’s “going to happen” – the Giants are gonna lose a lot of games they shouldn’t.

      • 2holehitting

        How about the Giants are gonna lose a lot of games they should and win a lot of games they shouldn’t

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Seems one of the cats is taking up piano. We’ve been keeping them in at night to feed and hopefully rid ourselves of visiting stray cats and raccoons. At first it was the typical mash of several keys, discordant, perhaps avant garde. It was a signal to go outside. Last nite, must have been 3-4 AM, it was notes, across intervals. A little bit experimental, but there was a melody and structure in there somewhere, perhaps something by Phillip Glass. But I knew what she was communicating. Out the door she went. That’s our Stevie Nix.

    Next I anticipate a soaring version of Rhiannon or perhaps practice for some big recital:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7MAriotZyE

  • Michael Scott

    I want want to clarify something I said last night- I didn’t mean to imply that Matt and Conor are dumb, they just look dumb. They are probably real smart. Hell, our President looks dumb as shit but as he has told us, he’s really terrifically fantastically smart.

    • Sgbssfg

      As he has also told us so.

      • Michael Scott

        Maybe I’ve misunderstood what he has said- maybe he meant that he will be really really smart really really soon.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        One of the best baseball players in history as well – if that apocryphal quote was true.

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      Sometimes I snicker so abruptly that I actually shit my pants. Anyhow, what’s for 2nd breakfast?

      • Michael Scott

        I started out with 4 tries to get out the couch, then my first breakfast was tasting Jimmy’s True Pal’s Tuna Supreme. He wouldn’t eat it until I proved that it wouldn’t kill him. Now I’m not hungry.

        • channelclemente

          Smart cat.

          • Michael Scott

            I want to show him how good he has it. Not like that poor kitty who lives under Calixte’s baseball cap.

          • channelclemente

            He’s cat royalty, he has his own food taster. Is he a Russian Blue?

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Calixte is a good cat name. Our black cat goes by Mixtli.

      • What club does that place you in? Don Rickles?

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Seems like Denard Span has been getting that 0-ish for 30-ish streak out of the way in spring training.
    Better now than August. Believe me, he’s going to hit this year. He’s going to do huge things for the Giants. He’s a tremendous talent. One of the best.

    But seriously, I’m with Chef. Giants need him to be well and hit the ball like he has historically hit the ball, including most of the 2nd half last year, and down the final stretch and into the playoffs. And hopefully his range will be on par. The daisy air-rifle arm is just a fact, nothing alternative about it.

    .280/.340/.400 or burst.

    • Matthew

      He throws like Willie Mays*

      (* – Willie is 85-years-old)

      • His beautiful ‘Ofay’ Bride is teaching him how to get more length on his throw.

        “Throw That Thing”

    • Michael Scott

      Come April 2, everything will be coming out of our heads better. Well, a guy can hope.

    • channelclemente

      Is it bust or burst… insert Oxford comma.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        Could be bursitis.

    • My_Guy back with the Twinkies

    • totalfan62

      Color me skeptical. From here he looks like a rapidly declining player with whom we are saddled for yet another year. As you say, wheel sea.

  • Since the I Phone invention – Nominations for Darwin Awards have increased
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39307418

  • Michael Scott

    Mike is always good for a quote-on playing the OF last night. “It was fun. It was like riding a bike … with two flat tires”

    • RobDeer

      Did he have any plays out there?

      • HaakAway

        I only saw the last few innings and he had one very lazy fly ball.
        He is auditioning for a DH job in the “Almost MLB” side of this sport.

        • RobDeer

          I really believe him when he said that it’s all or nothing with the Giants. He stated it was actually kind of nice to be away from the game and he’d have no problem going home if it doesn’t work out in SF. That the Giants are the only team he wants to play for. He ain’t trying to hang on with just any team. I think it’s why he’s playing so free and easy, he doesn’t feel any pressure. Just rolling the dice and being comfortable with the end result, whatever it might be. I think it makes him kinda dangerous, actually. That and the fact he said he realized he needed to slim down, trading muscle mass for flexibility.

          • HaakAway

            Thanks for the backstory.
            With AZ, Tomas [LF] went down Thursday with an oblique strain so their team depth chart shows Balance would take his place. I think he has done well enough that they will have him on their 25-Man. But I also think Gorkys will pick it up here before April. EDIT: he hit .324 last September in 34 AB’s … pretty good sign that he can do this.

      • Michael Scott

        He actually made a good play in left center when he had run down a fly ball when Gorkys tripped going for the ball. But then he broke back on a fly ball that fell in front of him. He was unconked upon, so a good night all in all.

      • He misread the Velo off the bat once on a big swing. Chef mentioned it.

  • paul in p.v.

    Are the Boys on teevee today?

    Or should I do something with my life??

    • Bapah

      Seattle TV

    • Lunch_Box

      As someone who doesn’t have cable, won’t go to a bar to watch a game, and hates blackouts on MLB.com, we know they aren’t on KTVU. “That’s where they’re going to stay.” Lies!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awZ8Qrfj1-0

    • Any Burro’s available for a hike into the tombs?

    • Sgbssfg

      Sisterfan in AK says they are on Root TV.

    • Michael Scott

      Comcast TV tomorrow .Today is a big day for some of the wannabes- Marrero, Hwang, Brown,Ruggiano, and Beckham all get starts.

      • channelclemente

        BTW, I think Tebow is out hitting Span now. Let’s hope for better days.

        • 2holehitting

          The 30 year old Virgin is outhitting the $10 Million dollar man?

          • Michael Scott

            He’s also out hitting Zobrist, Heyward,and Pence. Your guys better grab him before we do. The Mets might take Zobrist and Rizzo for him.

        • Michael Scott

          Are you really trying to be a dickwad? It worked. You better back on your Thorazine.

          • Michael Scott

            *get ” back.

          • channelclemente

            LOL. I’m your straightman.

  • PerSpeier35

    I saw folks discussed batting gloves last night. I think one reason for fewer bare hands that was not mentioned is reduced use of pine tar. I hate that stuff, much prefer bat tape for a better grip but I don’t see many major leaguers using it.

    Sorry to see that Lefty is getting exported, was looking forward to meeting her at a AAA game this season.

    • Michael Scott

      See, our workers are still going overseas.

  • channelclemente
  • channelclemente

    Harbaughs sighting.

    “[M]uch like my situation in San Francisco, the people that are doing
    the micromanaging . . . when it comes to building a ball team, what they
    know could not blow up a small balloon,” Jim Harbaugh told Michael
    Rosenberg of SI.com. “In my case, an owner and a General Manager.”

    Talking about Harbaughs brother-in-law being fired at Indiana.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/17/harbaugh-brothers-take-issue-with-the-firing-of-their-brother-in-law/?cid=eref:nbcnews:text

    • 12xu

      That’s such a great description of the Niners brass’s football acumen.

  • Cueball

    2-0 Giants…3 back to back hits. No outs.

  • Michael Scott

    Pablo with 2 dingers today- having a good spring.

    • channelclemente

      I thought he was partial crullers?

      • Michael Scott

        Who wants a used cruller?

        • channelclemente

          TO, it’s a cop ritual thing. Just kidding.

    • Sgbssfg

      I chatted with a couple from Massachusetts recently, who were jazzed because Pablo was in such great shape. Decided not to blow their bubble. I can recall a few seasons he started in great shape.

      • Michael Scott

        How kind of you.

        • Sgbssfg

          Turning over a new leaf.

    • William Henri

      Good for him.

      • Michael Scott

        Yes it is. Maybe we’ll see him in October.

    • buyselltrade

      Parker just hit a HR.

      Sad how Sandoval turned out with Giants. I still follow him with best wishes (except in head to head games).

      • 2holehitting

        Yeah sad, 3 WS titles an MVP of the WS and a historic 3 HR game. Lets not forget he hit .500 in the WS against Detroit and followed that up by hitting .429 and scoring 6 runs in the WS against the Royals. He was involved in over 1/3rd of the runs scored against the Royals. His offense led 2 of the 3 WS teams to the WS victories. For the money what $6M a year, he was terrific. I guess it is more sad how Barry Zito turned out for his $100M+ and 1 WS appearance.

        • buyselltrade

          I greatly enjoyed Sandoval as a ball player on the Giants and the great success of those seasons.

          Sad because of how and what was said when Panda left and his subsequent lack of success. Turned out probably good for the Giants that Sandoval left and directly allowed the one glorious season of Matt Duffy.

          At one time I thought perhaps Sandoval would go to the HOF as a Giant and things did not turn out that way. I will always check the box score of wherever he plays and want Panda to do well.

        • channelclemente

          Sarcasm isn’t your forte.

          https://i.imgur.com/d2lFtFb.png

          • 2holehitting

            Oh the pain, remember his injuries? That oscilates around his wrists, elbow and shoulder and groin/hammy injuries he has had. Then again, Hunter Pence $19M dollar man had a 1.6 and a 2.1 the past 2 seasons. Everyone has ups and downs.

          • channelclemente

            Negative WAR muffy. You’re really not very good at this.

    • 12xu

      Good on him (as Australians would say). Surprising he isn’t playing in the WBC, seems like a very patriotic guy. BTW, the manager of the Venezuela team is Omar Vizquel.

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      Is that a Hostess product? Just kidding. I like Pablo and hope he does well – comeback player of the year well. Yes, you heard it here, first.

    • Ham & Egging It
  • William Henri

    This thought that Nunez can back up middle infield ignores the fact that the Yankees gave up on him due to atrocious infield play. Keep him at third and pray.

    • channelclemente

      He’s actually, since he’s come to the Giants, made great improvement in his defense to my eye, at 3B.

      • Michael Scott

        They traded for him to play third base, not to be a utility guy.

        • William Henri

          True. Though quite a few comments in the past weeks mention him as a possible backup at short when discussing opening day roster. He can’t play middle infield or outfield.

    • Michael Scott

      You must have copied and pasted that from your previous comment on Nunez. Sounds familiar.

    • Efrain

      He was the starter on the Yankees, not the backup middle infielder he would be on the Giants for 15-20 games if need be. I think you can understand that playing a position 20 game compared to over 100 games is a huge difference. He would be just fine for a handful of games a year.

  • channelclemente

    Parker but a charge into that one. He sure seems like he’s waiting back on the ball, and making much better contact than in days gone by.

    • 12xu

      It sure sounded impressive on the radio call!

      • channelclemente

        It’s on MLBTV, just the Seattle announcers.

    • RobDeer

      He’s no Adam Duvall.

      • channelclemente

        But then, who is?

        • RobDeer

          In all seriousness, I think you can make some comparisons to Parker and Duvall. No, I’m not saying Parker has done anything remotely close to what Duvall accomplished last year, before people start howling. People are gonna howl. I get it. But the similarities involve the fact that both guys have tremendous power, which is what caused their rise through the minor league system. When that type of hitter gets to the bigs they obviously want to mash, they think that’s what will keep them there, hitting dingers. Of course, ML pitching is a whole ‘nother ballgame, and you’ll see this type of player struggle, flailing at pitches they need to identify and lay off. Some guys can adapt, other never do. Duvall clearly was able to begin to figure it out. Parker looks like he might’ve had that light bulb go off. That less is more, be more conservative in your approach, knowing your natural power will allow the homers to come. You don’t have to swing for the fences.

          • channelclemente

            Their stats to bear some similarity, but they seem different. Duvall, for instance, is calm, while twitchy is, well, twitchy. This is an important year for Duvall, albeit for very different reasons. IF he can adjust his game, he could be a good one. He’s a work in progress, IMO. Parker is something of a blank canvas with reason for some optimism.

          • RobDeer

            The responses to this are gonna be amazing.

          • channelclemente

            LOL.

          • Michael Scott

            He and Mac have both looked good this spring. But I wouldn’t make too much of it yet.

          • RobDeer

            True. We should focus on Span.

          • Michael Scott

            I agree, we need more of that.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Adam Duvall had a sub-.300 OBP last year. He also played in a very favorable home yard for hitters.

            David Duvall has better game than you on the golf course.

          • Peter Johnson

            Hater , Mr. slappy, Duvall had over 100 RBI, geek !

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Just stating facts. Gosh.

          • Peter Johnson

            Facts you want to make your case with , I am more into production , do not care who he did it , Duvall produced runs for his team, he did his job, the WAR crowd is looking at the game the wrong way .

      • POTD

  • Jennifer Pawol’s quest to become the first female MLB umpire took another step in the right direction this offseason as Pawol received a promotion from 2016’s Gulf Coast League (Rookie) to 2017’s New York-Penn League (Short-A). http://www.closecallsports.com/2017/03/jen-pawol-promoted-to-single-new-york.html

    Spring Ejection – Yasiel Puig) http://www.closecallsports.com/2017/03/spring-ejection-tom-woodring-s1-yasiel.html

    Andrew McCutchen has early T time = Ejection http://www.closecallsports.com/2017/03/wbc-ejection-will-little-2-andrew.html

  • RobDeer

    Goodbye, Villanova. I bet Peachy had Wisconsin in the upset.

    • just peachy.

      I’m very mad at Villanova right now. Grrrr. Now I hope AZ loses too. I think most of my colleagues are betting on UCLA winning it all (I’ve picked NC winning over the Bruins), so I hope they lose too.

  • 2holehitting

    The Giants batters need to start hitting. They look like the Giants of the second half last year. Funny when you do not add anybody and run the same retreads

    • DrLefty

      Parker’s hitting .343 and has 4 HRs this spring. He’ll likely be the Opening Day left fielder. He’s not a retread. Also, Posey and Crawford haven’t been with the team for the last two weeks.

      • RobDeer

        Details…

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          Heard from Sincere? My jukebox is going to explode.

      • channelclemente

        Goofball is just trolling.

      • Peter Johnson

        Posey and Crawford were not hitting in Giants camp , but now are crushing the ball for the WBC, they needed the rush of the WBC to get them going, .

      • 2holehitting

        Parker was MyGuy to start left. It does seem more likely with him hitting and as someone pointed out a bunch of righties getting playing time in left. But Come on Man Crawford not being there is an excuse?

        • Peter Johnson

          Your boy Belt is having a great spring .

          • 2holehitting

            He of the wiff every 3 at bats? Wait until the season starts and he hits against real major league pitchers.

    • Peter Johnson

      The only two players I am worried about are Pence and Span, they look old , hopefully the last 2 years of those contracts will not be dead money .

      • 2holehitting

        I worry about the headcase Belt.

        • Peter Johnson

          He is having a great spring

          • 2holehitting

            It is one of his his worst Spring of his career outside of the terrible 2014 year.

          • Peter Johnson

            I go by SLG%, last I looked it was really good, batting average is for 80 year olds .

          • 2holehitting

            I look for contact rates……

          • Peter Johnson

            Mike Trout Striked out 186 time in his 1st MVP Season, 80 year olds hate strikeouts too , an out is an out, Belt has always had low ground out rates, so rarely hits into double plays .

          • 2holehitting

            I guess it is not as easy to hit into a double play when striking out.

  • channelclemente

    Way to go Span.

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      We’ve got to get him going. Maybe today is the day.

      • channelclemente

        It would be a good thing. And, he’s a notoriously slow starter. Keeping fingers crossed, but with his age and injury history, I don’t think he’s going to be enough in CF.

        • Michael Scott

          So what’s enough?

          • channelclemente

            Someone to pick up 60-80 games.

      • steve k

        you called it this morning, bud. if him and JP12 can set the table, the boys by the bay might have a very nice year. moore looked great today, and bum was october sharp the other day. pitching, defense, and some timely slappy hitting is the formula.

        • Michael Scott

          I called it, Footie agreed with it.

          • channelclemente

            Have footy send you a pocket mirror.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            I always defer to Chef. That’s me by the sink, washing dishes.

          • channelclemente

            You do know he requires you gargle with dishwater to prove you’re worthy.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          you called it just now.

      • Efrain

        you’ll be waiting for awhile, both he and Pence have been trending downward for the past 1 1/2 years. Their best days are behind them. Doesn’t mean they can’t contribute, but don’t use past stats lines as starting points of comparison.

        • Michael Scott

          And don’t be using spring numbers as a benchmark for the real season.

          • Peter Johnson

            Pence and Span just fooling with us, trying to look bad at the plate, and soon as the season starts will be looking like 25 year olds with great bat speed, got ya makes sense to me, not really !

          • Michael Scott

            Peter, the more you talk,the more you show that you know little about the game.

          • Peter Johnson

            Stop being an A H, give me a reason why Pence and Span looking bad at the plate for a lot of at bats is no concern to you , I know Pence gives a 100% in every at bat, and would tell you himself he is not happy with his at bats !

          • Michael Scott

            No- here’s what we’ll do. If you were the manager ,give me your opening day roster and opening day LU and I’ll tell you how many games they’ll win with your guys. As to Pence not being happy with his at bats- of course he isn’t. I never said that he and Span are happy about their hitting so far. What I did say is that it doesn’t mean a lot yet. Capiche?

          • John Myhill

            Among other things.

          • Efrain

            oh you’re on of those. Fine, why don’t you checkout the overall stats for the past three season? Trending downward when they were on the field, injury or no injury (with players that age the injury bug is in no excuse but par for the course).

          • Michael Scott

            It’s no use talking to you at all anymore . As if there ever was. You even gave a guy shit because he commented about players and the use of batting gloves. The only reason you comment here is to f –k with everybody. It won’t be with me anymore- you’re dead to me. Don’t bother to respond- I won’t be hearing it.

          • Efrain

            no need to be so freaking immature about dude, your too old for that.

            My point was very valid, you just got upset because I’m right.

            Your point was not to look at ST numbers, and I don’t. It’s not like the season will start tomorrow and Span and Pence will explode out of the gate.

            They are they are, two aging vets who hope to help but won’t carry the team anymore.

            Don;t get pissed because I’m right in my analysis and post stupid comebacks.

        • John Myhill

          Pence had a lot of good luck on BABIP last year, he was the luckiest on the team. I’m sorry to say that I agree, we should have diminished expectations for him.

  • Michael Scott

    Federowicz is a doubles hitting MACHINE. I’m sure that his .194 lifetime BA is a misprint.

    • steve k

      he has been hitting great, but what was really impressive was a throw he made last game to get a guy at 2nd. great mechanics, and threw a seed to 2b. between him and brown, maybe they didn’t really need hundley.

      • Michael Scott

        Brown and Federowicz should make a nice tandem in Sacto, but I don’t think that they present any challenge to Hundley.

  • Peter Johnson

    !s HaakAway still here replace David Hernandez off my 25 man roster, with any breathing Human being !

    • DrLefty

      Ugh, me too. Wow, did I get THAT wrong.

  • 2holehitting

    Marrero has got to make it.

    • Peter Johnson

      Him and Morse , battling for backup 1st base and part time LF and PH with Power spot on the roster .

    • Another Randy Elliot though…. do real DNA – pedigree or resume

      https://oneflapdown77.com/2013/03/14/researching-the-myth-of-randy-elliott/

      • Peter Johnson

        Not like that almost 40 year old Rollins that was waived by one of the worse teams in MLB last year

        • The CWS were correct in waiving him. He thought he was an everyday SS and he clearly was not the last maybe three yrs. This is an off the bench role. Remember guys like Arias or Hacktor that would come off the bench and swat a Ribeye. Maybe Jimmy can do the same.

      • Michael Scott

        Randy goes in seclusion every spring.

        • I don’t blame him…. he is a young 65 yrs old

          • Michael Scott

            Being the poster boy for the spring training phenom turned regular season bust must wear on a guy after a few decades of hearing it.

  • channelclemente

    Chuck Berry, at 90, passed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6OS_ItMGpc

    • 2holehitting

      bummer i was listening to his Chess box set just 2 days ago.

    • steve k

      sorry to hear about it..had as much to do with rock n roll gaining popularity as anyone. a true giant in music. rest easy mr. berry..
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik-RsDGPI5Y
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ROwVrF0Ceg
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykCYwhfdMs

      • The Oracle

        Imagine what wouldn’t have been if he hadn’t been inspired by Marty McFly.

        • channelclemente

          No skateboard moves?

    • The Oracle

      Looked at my watch and it was 11:30,
      She turned back, and called me somethin’ dirty,
      You know why? You know why?
      I ain’t gonna tell you why

      • Thumbs up!

      • channelclemente

        Shift change.

    • Ham & Egging It
    • Michael Scott

      We used to see Rock and Roll greats at Danceland in a amusement park in Minnetonka . We paid a buck for Chuck, Fats, Jerry Lee… I saw the Rolling Stones there in 1964. There was hardly anybody there.Maybe because they upped admission to 6 bucks. Those who did show up, hated them. They were booed, fights broke out. Good times..

      • channelclemente

        As I recall, Danceland was I big stop on that regional music circuit. Wasn’t it one of the ‘locations’ in that R&R movie, That Thing You Do, from the mid 90s Danceland?

        • Michael Scott

          I don’t know about the movie but I do recall that there was a circuit for those R and R greats. When the British Invasion really hit, the American rockers couldn’t buy themselves a gig. But later, the Beatles and the Stones credited our rockers for inspiration and they had a renaissance of sorts. This is doo-wop but it’s a favorite of mine. Jimmy Beaumont and the Skyliners. He can still nail it.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ1k8zYRZwg

          Jimmy is 76 now.I think he was about 65 when he sang it again in Vegas.

          • Michael Scott

            They were out of Pittsburgh. I was a 11 year old back when the song broke out. Here it is from way back then. He’s better now, almost 60 years later-like all of us
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_1XLf8HIGo

    • 12xu

      You had me worried for a second.

  • Some youthful baseball player comes to SF Spring training and opens everybody’s eyes by hitting .380, stealing bases, making all the plays in the OF or IF. He breaks camp on the 25 and is the opening day lineup and after three weeks he’s 9 for 72…..

    Some old has-been player with a ‘name’ from the past – gets invited to SF Spring Training or is in his second year of again struggling – and struggles with his throwing and base running and is stuck on 6 hits all of Spring Training …. lots of right-side-ground balls. Because of his ‘last name’ or current salary the season starts and after three weeks in the starting lineup – he’s driven in 14 runs, has 5 triples with 4 doubles and 3 stolen bases.

    What is the difference?

  • Michael Scott

    I would like to see Morse, Hwang, or Marrero make the team, but we may have to have a 26-man roster for them to make it. We would be better served with a bench with Hundley, Gillaspie, KT, Hill, and Parker/Mac. If we keep Morse, Hwang, or Marrero ,we’re left with just one reserve who play the middle infield. I’m OK with sounding like a broken record but we should keep Mac and Parker.As to the CF back up, Parker can do it- y’all think he’s better than Span, anyway.
    IMO.

  • channelclemente

    What’s with Kershaw getting jack hammered the other day?

  • channelclemente

    Henandez pitches like an exPadre.

  • 2holehitting
    • BEAUTIFUL man beautiful ! ! !

    • crawnik

      RIP Chuck.

  • paul in p.v.

    Now I know why they’re called “scrubs.”

    • paul in p.v.

      2 weeks to go.

  • paul in p.v.
  • Peter Johnson

    Posey not in the lineup tonight, despite one of the hottest hitters on team USA, should have at least DH’d, Stanton not hitting at all, you guys look like you will get your wish, and USA will be out of WBC after tonight .

    • That’s just plain wrong of Leyland not to start Buster let alone not letting him DH.

      • Michael Scott

        Terrible, just so so terrible.

        • Peter Johnson

          Just a plain Idiot !!!

          • Michael Scott

            Take it easy on yourself, Peter.

          • Peter Johnson

            You are the guy even bringing up planes going down not me .

          • Michael Scott

            See, I can make ’em go down and I can make ’em go up.

    • Michael Scott

      I really have wished for that. Hey, maybe the plane will go down, that would be even better.

      • Peter Johnson

        STFU, I want the USA to win , not like most of the others on here !

        • Michael Scott

          I NEVER said that I wanted to them lose. You have to stop lying about what other people say.

          • Peter Johnson

            Plane crash crap, what is that about, I would never ever even Joke about that !

          • Michael Scott

            Plane crashes can be great fun.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-aoX6bJXM

          • Peter Johnson

            Sick sense of humor, I never joke about anything that most of the time is fatal .

          • Michael Scott

            Did you watch it?

          • Peter Johnson

            No, but most of the time Plane crashes do not end in happy endings , so was not looking for laughs .

          • Michael Scott

            Why don’t you listen to the baseball song I posted? Maybe it will make you feel better.

  • PerSpeier35

    You don’t see this every day. I was down at the local field today doing long toss and tee work with my son. These three 20 year old guys were doing BP on the diamond and had a big Home Depot bucket of balls. I noticed that they were throwing baseballs and softballs. And then tennis balls, whatever the guy pulled out of the bucket. Kinda weird, I asked the guy shagging in the outfield why there were using different kind of balls and of course he said they were just goofing around. Kinda nuts but just kids being kids I guess.

  • Michael Scott
  • Peter Johnson

    USA trails 2-0 after 1st inning, throwing error by Crawford did not help .

    • Peter Johnson

      2-2 now

      • 12xu

        4-2 USA now! Giancarlo Stanton with a bomb after Crawford singled.

        • Peter Johnson

          Yeah Leyland is a genius, I wanted Posey to DH instead of Stanton, but he could of started Stanton over McCutchin in LF and had Posey DH .

  • Posey has elimination game exp. He needs to be playing. Or at least DH. Line-up = 0 sense.

    • Michael Scott

      So Bochy must be moonlighting ?

  • steve k

    maybe stanton was a good choice to DH?

    • Leyland got lucky. Posey would of homered too. But to see Stanton uncork that was pretty cool.

      • Michael Scott

        ” Posey would of homered too.”
        Come on Peter, stop hacking into Crawdad’s account. You are the only one who would say such a ridiculous thing.

  • John Victory Faust

    Let’s go DR! I’m sick of watching Buster and Craw waste their bullets in this dog and pony nonsense. Bring the boys home now!

    • Peter Johnson

      Another Idiot, so you want them to waste bullets in meaningless pre season games instead !

      • John Victory Faust

        Let’s just say the Management in Scottsdale has a greater interest in preserving their longer term utility than the retiree their loaned out to at the present. Idiot.

        • Peter Johnson

          You are probably, another Left of Left liberal that does not believe in Nations .Crawford and Posey want to play for the USA, get over it, some of us love and are prideful of our Country .

          • John Victory Faust

            Is Peter Johnson your real name or just an accurate representation of your double-donged dildo penile-headed personality?

          • Peter Johnson

            Yes it is my real name , you immature , A hole .

          • John Victory Faust

            Sorry Bro, my brother’s name is Pete. We still give him shit about it.

          • Michael Scott

            You really should change it. Or better yet, you could have a middle name.
            ” Peter Plonker Johnson “

          • Michael Scott

            Which country doth you speak of? Gooberia ?

        • Respective WBC managers are given a list of concerned workload requirements by the MLB clubs whose players are playing for the respective WBC teams. And it is the responsibility of WBC coaches to honor that. Maybe it was Evans and Bochys ‘wish’ to sit Buster (given Busters workload). Thus the 80 pitch count for pitchers. Some 70. But I think it’s good for Craw and Posey to play in competition and elimination games. The risk side for injury is the same as if they were playing in ST games. If the DR wins, I believe Johnny Cueto will report to them to pitch. I didn’t care too much for the WBC 12 years ago, but it’s crawling under my skin now.

          • John Victory Faust

            Go Nippon then

      • Michael Scott

        Duckweed, Dunderhead, Puddinghead, Peckerhead, Douche Nozzle Idiot,Plonker,Pillock,Klutz Dunce,Numskull, Blockhead, Bonehead, Lunkhead, Hammerhead, Knucklehead,Muttonhead…

        • paul in p.v.

          Scheisskopf?

    • totalfan62

      Gotta disagree, JVF. The WBC has turned into must-see TV, actually must-see MLB caliber play. MLB has done a great job marketing the brand and the baseball, and the players have not disappointed.

  • Crawford with hit.

  • 12xu

    I was listening to CBS Sports Radio a couple of weeks ago, before the WBC started, and guess which team was considered the favorite…. the USA. Kind of surprising as they haven’t done so well in the past.

    This morning, Marty Lurie was saying that Samardzija was scheduled to start for the Giants tomorrow but that may change because he might be called to the US WBC team if they advance. Seems like a weird rule, teams can call up anybody during the tournament… but I don’t know the specific rules regarding this.

    • Peter Johnson

      Archer is scheduled to pitch if the USA advances to Final 4, doubt USA would want Samardzia after his last start, Melancon is another story

  • DrLefty

    OK, Machado hat-tipping his Orioles teammate Jones after that amazing catch there was just flippin’ AWESOME.

    • totalfan62

      Indeed. That one moment captured the essence and beauty of the WBC. Jones tipping back–totally cool as well. Goose bump moment.

  • John Victory Faust

    Jones woulda had that

    • DrLefty

      Time to put Ol’ Yelich down. He’s got the hydrophoby.

  • Michael Scott

    It’s cool “watching” the game here. Jones is no golden glover, that’s for durn sure.

  • John Victory Faust

    Somebody ought to tell Arenado that Petco is AT$T South.

  • DrLefty

    I think Matt Vasgersian hit E above high C calling that Cutch double.

    • Michael Scott

      Cutch looked a gimpy going in there. I almost took my eye off the blog or I might have missed it. This does’t bode well for the Buccos.

    • totalfan62

      Santa Maria!!!

  • Matthew

    I know it’s a touching story, but Matt and JP Morosi have told the Luke Gregerson’s dad story 3 times. Learn more about the players…..

  • Ground ball to B Craw. Ball game!

    • Andres The Forever Giant

      Cueto gets to stay with us for the rest of ST, progressing at the slower pace he needs to get ready for the season! I know he would have given his all for his country had the DR advanced, so I’m happy for the USA and breathing a sigh of relief for the Giants and their co-ace!

  • Andres The Forever Giant

    Yahoo, Craw handled the final out with the utmost calm, befitting a 2-time World Champion! 🙂

  • Michael Scott

    I see that I’m talking to myself. That’s OK, I’m enjoying a little Span-less time. Now I’d like for all of you to go now. I like the room for myself after 11:00. Scoot, you only have 9 minutes to pack up and get the hell out.

  • 12xu

    USA vs. Japan on Tuesday at 6 at Dodger Stadium, will be a great game. As PJ said below, Chris Archer is scheduled to start for Team USA. I don’t think Japan has announced their SP. In the other semifinal game, Netherlands will play Puerto Rico at 6 on Monday.

    • DrLefty

      Saw on Twitter that Archer is NOT starting, and Tanner Roark will, instead.

      • 12xu

        Thanks for the updated news. When I posted the above, I couldn’t find who any of the SPs will be on MLB’s WBC page. There’s an article there now, says that Marcus Stroman is scheduled to start the championship game if the US advances to it.

  • steve k
    • totalfan62

      My favorite Gale Sayers memory involves other NFL players, to a degree. It’s 1964, Sayers’ rookie year. It’s also the rookie year for two other highly touted RBs, the 49ers Ken Willard and NYG Tucker Frederickson. As a young and biased Niners fan, I circled a game in November where the 49ers would play the Bears at Wrigley Field. I’m thinking “OK, Ken Willard: here’s where you show the NFL that you’re every bit as good as Sayers (or Frederickson) and YOU deserve the Rookie of the Year award”. That was, of course, the day Sayers scored six touchdowns, clinched ROY, and destroyed our 49ers.

      • paul in p.v.

        I had the pleasure of working with Sayers when he joined the Board of Directors @ American Century Funds in K.C. (I was the Board Secretary). Such an unassuming man, a real gentleman.

        My older brother was a N.Y. Giants fan, and always rued the fact that the Giants picked Fredrickson first in the draft – doh! – anyway he sent me a football and asked me to ask Sayers to sign it, “Tucker who?” G. Sayers.
        He’s still got that ball.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          My brother in law worked at Am. Cen. office for a number of years – they lived in Overland Park. They’ve been back in So. Cal for awhile now.

          • paul in p.v.

            His name?

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            he shall be nameless here, but maybe over a pint of Guinness…

          • paul in p.v.
          • paul in p.v.

            With 1/2 Bass Ale – meet in Oakdale? Coarse Gold?? ;o)

    • paul in p.v.

      Shite.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Seems there is some “fake news” on MLBTR regarding the mobility of one Denard Span. Hank is here to clear that up.

    https://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/843471882347147264

    • Matthew

      Maybe he can run the ball to the infield!

      • buyselltrade

        I hope and expect Span to have a better year based upon previous years injuries impacting the beginning of last season and the adjustment to the new stadium and team. I don’t think has the speed or base stealing ability to lead off for a non-power hitting team or the CF arm for a pitching and defense team and stadium.

        I posted here at TWGs the thought for 2017 that perhaps finding another CF may have been of more importance than finding an everyday LF.

        I see Span as a combination corner / CF rather than everyday CF posy 2017.

        Agree that there are various uncertainties among Pence, Span, Parker, Williamson, and other potential OFs in 2017. Gorkys Hernandez is an AAAA fill in player holding place for a better player to emerge.

        I really like the Angel’s Mike Trout. He is only 25. What a coup to trade for Trout in CF would be for the SF Giants.

        • Matthew

          Your first sentence is a bit like expecting Kathleen Turner to make a comeback because she’s been there before. I’m not sure Span has it in him. Yes, he’s a great teammate, good hard working professional, sounds like a solid clubhouse guy, and will have some surprisingly good games mixed in (a’la Zaza Pachulia), but the day to day experience of watching him will lead to the realistic conclusion of : he isn’t that guy any more.

          • buyselltrade

            I obviously do not think that Span is a long term nor that great a solution for LO or CF.

            My wishful (for a smidgen of Kathleen Turner) is for Span to out together a full year of 2014 or 2015 or a slight uptick from the 2nd half of 2016.

            I am concerned with Span’s arm strength and lack of speed and base stealing ability at LO.

          • The Oracle

            Kathleen Turner…good one. Body Heat Kathleen Turner…if only she could make a comeback. That’s like Cy Young Lincecum vs. Angels Lincecum.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          “I really like the Angel’s Mike Trout. He is only 25. What a coup to trade for Trout in CF would be for the SF Giants.”

          Now that would stupendous! I’ve also heard good things about Trout. Got to jailbreak him from Disneyland down there.

          • buyselltrade

            I would trade the Angels Bumgarner plus any current major league outfielder plus Arroyo plus any major league 3B plus any minor league starting pitcher not named Beede for Trout who then had better have a great 7 to 10 years for the Giants.

          • DrLefty

            You lost me at “trade Bumgarner.”

          • buyselltrade

            I made potential under pretty specific circumstance and in a context of many dimensions.

            I love Bumgarner 2nd only to Juan Marichal in my life.

            My suggestion was meant to be one that could be taken seriously by the Angels.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            You just made things very interesting.

          • buyselltrade

            I sort of meant to be provocative.

            Also just in past several minutes realize that many new posts do not show up on my access at TWGs until I close and reload page.

            All I saw was Mathew’s posts.

          • paul in p.v.

            Horse feathers.

          • John Myhill

            Bumgarner no. Not for anyone. In big games he’s the best, and big games are the most important this.

          • Matthew

            I am beyond thankful that you have nothing to do with the Giants front office.

          • buyselltrade

            I made that post to be provocative after some thought.

            Bumgrarner is an all time great, the present Giants most valuable player, and had much to do with winning 3 WSs.

            He is also a pitcher that has 6 straight seasons over 200 innings and is the best post season but not the best in season pitcher of the present generation. Bumgarner has never won 20 games. He is an emotional player that is used to winning. Power pitchers get hurt. He is not yet a certainty for the HOF.

            Must I mention that I love Bumgarner as a Giant?

            Trout is a generational best player at a key defensive position, CF, who is several years younger than MadBum and arguably has had a better career.. Trout is a true 5 tool player coming in to his peak ages of career (and position players last longer than pitchers, especially power pitchers with heavy use).

            So trading Bumgarner and Arroyo are the risks along with Trout getting injured and not recovering for a long career.

            One of Span, Pense, Parker, Williamson gone to be replaced in OF at CF by Trout. OK

            Losing one of Nunez, Hwang, or Gillaspie at 3B; OK, none seem to be viewed as long term solutions anyway.

            Losing a AAA starter such as Blach, Blackburn, Gregorio, or Stratton? OK, given the Giants present rotation and the projection of Beede they are excess in number and may not get a full chance with the Giants anyway.

            Arroyo is a risk but is not yet proven. He may prove to be an everyday player at 3B or elsewhere in 2018 or later but players with more hype have failed to develop and the Giants have three relatively young players at 3B plus Crawford at SS and Panik at 2B already at the MLB level.

            The Giants traded an established AS and later HOF Cepeda and got Sadecki and that was a bad trade.

            The Giants traded an established AS and later HOF Perry and got McDowell and that was a bad trade.

            The Giants traded Matt Williams an established AS who had subsequent fine seasons but did not make the HOF for Kent, Taveras, Viscaino, and Roa and that turned out to be a great trade and allowed the best Giants team between he 1960s and the recent winner of 3 WSs.

            I didn’t like any of those three past Giants trades.

            Risky yes. If there ever was a player potentially worth the risk it is Trout. The Angels probably would not risk the trade and the Giants are fine without the trade, possibly good enough for more WS wins.

          • Matthew

            I remain beyond thankful..

          • buyselltrade

            That is your prerogative.

            Mike Trout is a great player.

            I made a suggestion based upon what I thought it would take to make Trout a SF Giant.

            The SF Giants are a quality team now, a most competitive team that could benefit from a few tweaks.

            Something as earthshaking as what I perceive as a trade that may be considered is required for the Giants to remain a competitive team.

            I have been a Giants fan since I went to first game in 1959 (went to at least one Giants game 1959 to 2003 and haven’t been to SF Bay Area since).

            The only Giants pitcher who has lasted so long (actually longer as we hope for MadBum now) at high use and high success was Juan Marichal (who set the bar very high in my youth).

          • Matthew

            Relax. That’s a lot of words in 3 posts for a preposterous idea.

          • buyselltrade

            What do you feel the need to be insulting?

            I am not saying to do the trade but what it might take to get interest from the Angels.

            You certainly have posted your share of words over the years at the Merc and now here.

            Small hands?

          • Matthew

            I just think throwing “Mike Trout for Bumgarner” is absurd. That’s not meant to be insulting. It’s meant to be my opinion

    • DrLefty

      I hope that Span has a better year. But I agree with whoever said that the Giants have left themselves very exposed in CF (really, the OF in general). Span was a disappointment last year any way you look at it–below career averages at the plate, practically nonexistent on the bases, and a flat-out liability defensively. Notably, he was being platooned in September and even in the playoffs.

      This is not another “crap-on-Span” post. Rather, I’m surprised that the Giants didn’t do more to provide depth in CF in case Span’s 2016 was the new normal, not an exception. They’re already rolling the dice on unproven commodities in LF, and we’re all crossing our fingers and hoping that Pence will be healthy and effective in RF (but the truth is that there may be no more reason to be optimistic about Pence than there is about Span). But they do have some depth and choices in the corner OF positions–yeah, not “Yoenis Cespedes” choices, but at least a step above “Gorkys Hernandez” choices.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        Could definitely become a problem. Span could even suffer an injury and CF will become exposed in that manner. Then what? Wynton Bernard? I imagine Steve Duggar resumes life in Richmond after just 60 games in AA last year. With continued success at the plate, he can move to AAA. Giants are rarely aggressive with promotions. Usually, there has to be exigency to fill a position and the prospect has to demonstrate the ability to hit advanced pitching beyond a doubt.

        They would be more likely to pursue the trade route than hastily bump up a prospect. Unfortunately, Kevin Kiermaier will not be available.

        • DrLefty

          I beg to differ on Duggar. The reports out of camp are that the team is very high on him and that he is “flying through the system.” I think he’ll be in AAA for the exact reason that they know they might need him sooner rather than later. He hit .320 during his time in Richmond. That’s only a bit lower than what Duffy hit in a half-season in Richmond when he was jumped right into the big leagues and never spent a second in AAA.

          I actually believe Duggar is next up, and barring injury to him or massive underperformance in AAA, he could be on the team before the 2017 season is over. He also hits lefty, so if he were to replace Span (say in case of injury), it wouldn’t change the balance of the lineup, either.

          Slater can play CF if needed, too, and he’s already in AAA. Not a dedicated CF like Duggar, but he played there for Sac last year after Gorkys was promoted.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Duggar’s assignment will also be influenced by potential log jam at AAA. Seems quite a few names in need of at-bats. Wherever he can get regular play – which he needs in CF as he has not be a dedicated CF for long.

            Interesting thing happened for Duggar upon advancement from hitter friendly league to less hitter friendly. Lower K rate and a stupendous BABIP. Let’s see him duplicate those gains and see what happens when he’s pitched more aggressively in zone and also see’s more breaking pitches in all counts.

          • DrLefty

            I’m telling you–Duggar’s going to be in AAA. Bet you an Irish whiskey the next time you’re in Davis!

          • buyselltrade

            Duggar is top of my list within the Giants system for CF. So far seems a great draft pick.

          • DrLefty

            He was MyGuy™ last year. He did well for me (I came in second in the contest).

    • Michael Scott

      “Yesterday Span scored from first on double, beat infield hit. Tripled. I focused on his running. Looks better in CF too. Hitting the issue.”
      Reasonable comment.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        from a reasonable guy. In the age of unreasonableness, reason counts.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Opening day lineup?

    A.)

    Span CF
    Panik 2B
    Posey C
    Belt 1B
    Pence RF
    Crawford SS
    Parker LF
    Nunez 3B
    Bumgarner P

    B.)

    Span
    Belt
    Posey
    Pence
    Crawford
    Nunez
    Panik
    Parker
    Bumgarner

    C.)

    Panik
    Belt
    Posey
    Crawford
    Pence
    Parker
    Nunez
    Bumgarner
    Span

    D.)

    Nunez
    Belt
    Panik
    Posey
    Crawford
    Pence
    Parker
    Bumgarner
    Span

    E.)

    None of the above

    • Matthew

      I’m with D👍🏻

      • DrLefty

        Me too.

        • totalfan62

          You know they won’t do it, but it’s beyond time to move Span to the bottom of the order. Nunez needs to learn how to take more BBs if he’s gonna hit leadoff. If he can give us a .350 OBP he’ll steal 40 bases again and add an element we’ve been missing for years.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            That’s the rub with Nunez – getting walks and OBP up. Not easy for 30 y.o. player to change stripes at plate. Career OBP of .314; .325 last year. Career walk rate of 5.3%; 4.9% last year.

          • RobDeer

            E- none of the above. As much as people don’t want Span in the leadoff spot, I’d still open the season with it. I’d go with A but just flip Parker and Nunez to avoid back to back lefties.

          • DrLefty

            Even with Nunez’s swing-happy tendencies, he’s still a better choice than Span at this point because of his speed and base-stealing abilities. We can pick at Nunez all we want, but there’s no question that Span is a poor leadoff man now. If those are our choices, Nunez is the better option.

          • John Myhill

            Nunez is not a patient hitter and if you tell him to be more patient he’ll be worse. I like impatient (aggressive) hitters but it they have a relatively low OBP they shouldn’t be leading off.

        • John Myhill

          It really isn’t clear what to do with the batting order. The problem is that the main base-stealing threats have the lowest OBPs (other than Panik, and he’ll probably improve). I would actually put both Nunez and Span low in the order and have them try to manufacture runs from there. Parker’s average is so low and his number of strikeouts and walks so high that I could see him leading off just for the walks and so that he won’t come up much with people on base. Belt, with the highest OBP and SLG, should I think be hitting 3rd. Posey actually would be a good #2 hitter, he strikes out very little and has a good OBP.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            really, who should care about base stealing threats at the top of the order. I think most people have this notion historically ingrained that your leadoff should be a fast guy.

            Ask the hitters if they want to worry about the runner on first taking off when they have a pitch to hit?

            And base stealers get caught as well. It’s great if the leadoff guy as speed, but he needs to not make outs and set the table. Nothing wrong with starting a game off with a homerune, double, or walk.

          • John Myhill

            I agree 100%. Managers are beginning to come around to this way of thinking but it’s taking some time…

      • 610nm

        D, if I can change Span into Williamson.

    • buyselltrade

      (1)Why not Nunez at lead off where his speed and base stealing ability could be of most use?
      (2)Why no LU where Belt is 3rd place hitter? Belt is a natural 3rd place hitter with combination of OBP and power, I still expect Belt to have one or probably several more “career type” seasons better than what he has produced to date (.300 plus average, .400 OBA, 25-30 HR, 90-100RBI, .900 plus OPS).
      (3) Crawford should be proceeded by hitter that takes pitches and has good contact and also followed by strong hitter – suggest Posey – Crawford – Pence at 4-5-6.
      (4) I worry about the durability of Pence (and this is one reason to carry and play Williamson) so would have in 2017 anyway Pence and the hotter of Parker / Williamson at 6-7 or when Pence rests or is out a combination of Parker / Williamson at 6 -7. If one (or worse both) of Parker / Williamson does not pan out, there is much reason to get a strong hitting outfield mid season.
      (5) I do not like pitchers at 8 even if Bumgarner as is disruptive. I do like Span at 8. Span is a mediocre lead off hitter but an excellent 8 place hitter not that easy to pitch around.
      (6) Don’t forget Panik with return to 2014 and 2015 output at 2 spot.
      (7) Hwang or Gillaspie on days that they start would fit in at 7 with Span at lead off and replacing Pence or splitting Parker and Williams in lower line up.
      (8) More power in 2017 line up than in 2016. The Giants were fortunate in 2016 with the relative slappy hitting success of the various AAA call ups.

    • Michael Scott

      Span CF
      Panik 2B
      Posey C
      Pence RF
      Belt 1B
      Parker LF
      Crawford SS
      Bumgarner P
      Nunez 3B

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        Not too shabby. You might field a call or two about 3 LHH in a row – but can always pinch hit for Parker when the loogy comes in.

        • RobDeer

          Now pinch hitting, “Take on Me…”

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Ok, serious. You think Morse makes it?

          • RobDeer

            If he continues hitting, yes. They need some RH pop, particularly if Parker starts in LF, which it appears he will. They’ll want to sit him certain days against tough lefties. Seems to be him or Marrero and I don’t think Marrero has played any outfield, has he?

          • Keep’n It Real

            I do.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            I’m of the belief that Mac now needs to beat out Morse for OD roster.

          • Keep’n It Real

            I think Mac goes down to Sacramento. They can see if Morse keep this up and bring up Mac if it doesn’t.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Get what they can out of Morse while he’s still feeling frisky. Then bring up Mac, who would be getting those daily ABs, and could potentially have a really devastating swing going. Not a bad plan.

        • Michael Scott

          Flip Pence and Belt. But nobody will even notice when they see Span at the top . Can I make some changes?
          Span CF
          Hill 2B
          Posey C
          Pence RF
          Belt 1B
          Morse LF
          Rollins SS
          Cain P
          Beckham 3B

          • PerSpeier35

            Right, Bochy is not starting Panik on opening day.

          • Michael Scott

            Maybe you missed reading the whole LU. Even Peter would see that I was joking. Rollins, Beckham, Morse, Cain… starting to get it, Cannonball?

          • PerSpeier35

            Yep, you are right, saw Hill in place of Panik and didn’t notice the other obvious funnies. My bad, not so good at multi tasking this morning.

          • Michael Scott

            No, no I insist- it’s my bad. Well, OK. It’s your bad.

    • steve k

      so, it’s a given that parker is the starting lf over mac?

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        not 100%. but something well north of 50%.

        • Michael Scott

          Unless one of them is eaten by a swarm of locusts, they should keep both of them.

  • Sgbssfg

    For you out of area folks, looks like MLB will show the Giants game this afternoon as there won’t be a WBC playoff.

    • totalfan62

      Really? Well, that just changed MY afternoon plans! Actually, since I’m three hours ahead of you (EDT), more like early evening. My Dookies aren’t on until 8:40 PM tonight, so that was the first sports-driven change to my Sunday plans. I have my priorities you know…

  • RobDeer

    So, Posey really didn’t start at C last night in an elimination game? Was any reason volunteered? Leyland really just thought Lucroy was the better play?

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      Buenos dias, Sr. “Bro-han”.

      I think Posey and Lucroy have just been alternating starts. Those weary catchers legs and all. And Lucroy is no slouch either. He’s no Buster, but who is? At least Leyland didn’t start Bregman over Crawford, even though Breg’s can hit and Breg’s will reach the Crawford Boxes at least several times this season.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        a query I have, is why not give Goldie a start or two at 1B. Hosmer’s been pretty stout with the bat, but Goldie has a certain reputation to uphold as well.

        • RobDeer

          He hasn’t started any games there?

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            As Matthew might say: Leyland has himself a Hosmerection.

          • RobDeer

            He’s popping Hosmiagra?

          • Matthew

            …instead of a Goldschmember

        • crawnik

          It would be nice to have Team USA win it all for Leyland. JL won 1 AL Pennant; with Detroit in 2006.

          • RobDeer

            Let’s not omit his Pitt pennant.

          • RobDeer

            Actually, let’s omit it. Since I just made it up.

          • RobDeer

            I forgot how fast Sid Bream was.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Sincere’s squad.

            Say, it seemed you were working on a couple of rough draft replies yesterday. What happened to those? Never saw them. Whenever your muse give you that neck massage I suppose.

          • RobDeer

            Rough draft replies? I’m confused.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            As you should be. That was confusing. My bad. I thought you had a reply about the guy in PA and his whereabouts. You know how disqus tells you when someone is replying to a comment?

          • RobDeer

            Last I saw I believe TF said he had contact info regarding Lee Lacy’s #1 fan but I never saw any follow up post from him as to his whereabouts.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Gotcha. I am up to date. From what I’ve gleaned, Sincere is an excellent teacher – he gave me some guitar tips and he didn’t even know it. I have a little more shred because of something he said about tone and playing what you feel. He also gave really good tips to Matthew on equipment. He also does theatre production in some capacity which can take huge time capacity.

          • RobDeer

            I prefer to picture him in his garage ice-sculpting a life-sized Kent Tekulve. Maybe with some Bjork playing.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            More likely Def Leppard. That’s our jam. Is it your jam too, Jimmy?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d681GuMZj6Y

          • RobDeer

            I’ll Wait would be my choice.

        • DrLefty

          Not to mention Goldie is the reigning Gold Glover at the position.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            and in spite of poor metrics, Eric Hosmer has stolen three Gold Gloves in a row, IIRC.

            He must do some good things there, but I have seem him look awkward at times. Royals may trade him this year.

          • DrLefty

            My eye test says Goldie’s one of the best in the biz fielding that position, and sadly, I’ve had a lot of opportunities to watch him over the years.

          • Peter Johnson

            He has not hit was used at DH, has k’d many times and as 1 for 14 .

        • Peter Johnson

          1 for 14

      • RobDeer

        So by this theory Posey could actually sit in a championship game cuz they’re “alternating” starts? Sorry, but that’s ridiculous.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          As the French philosophers might say : sacre bleu! absurde! merde!

        • Michael Scott

          Uh, who won?

          • RobDeer

            Them winning doesn’t make it any less ridiculous to me, Chef.

          • Michael Scott

            I really don’t see how Lucroy is a downgrade. And I saw a couple of the most asinine comments ever last night- Stanton homered but Buster would also have homered. “Leyland got lucky”
            This is plain old “homer-ism”.

          • RobDeer

            Sorry, but I disagree. No disrespect to Lucroy but I think Posey is the better player, particularly defensively. But I’m certainly not up in arms about it. I couldn’t care less about the WBC. Here’s where PJ tells me to move to Russia. I’m send you some borscht.

          • Michael Scott

            Lucroy had the better offensive year in 2016. But whatever, I’m with you on the WBC. And I’m sure that wherever the hell they are playing is a swell place to visit.

          • The Oracle

            This isn’t the World Series. Winning isn’t their only goal. They’re keeping in mind that this is the spring, and even if the players can handle it, no one is going to get worked too hard.

          • channelclemente

            Is that a vest pocket epiphany? LOL.

    • earlytimes

      Buster had a painful pimple on his arse.

      • earlytimes

        Would you want that made public? 😉

    • Peter Johnson

      It was Lucroy’s turn, they play full games and platoon every game, Giants do not want Posey over worked and Texas wants Lucroy to get his at bats, it is a compromise, I understood Posey would not Catch last night, I was hoping he might DH, but the DH Leyland went with last night was all right too. Posey will start Tuesday night vs Japan, but if the USA wins he will be on the bench for the Championship game .

  • earlytimes

    Melancon will join the WBC…commence your fretting and/or 2nd guessing.

    • Michael Scott

      Gregerson closed last night, following a boatload of AAAA pitchers. So why screw everything up? Leave Melancon in Arizona and go with the semi-pros.

  • channelclemente

    Nobel Prize winning poet, Derek Walcott died this week.

    Love after Love.

    The time will come
    when, with elation
    you will greet yourself arriving
    at your own door, in your own mirror
    and each will smile at the other’s welcome,

    and say, sit here. Eat.
    You will love again the stranger who was your self.
    Give wine. Give bread. Give back your heart
    to itself, to the stranger who has loved you

    all your life, whom you ignored
    for another, who knows you by heart.
    Take down the love letters from the bookshelf,

    the photographs, the desperate notes,
    peel your own image from the mirror.
    Sit. Feast on your life.

    • paul in p.v.

      Wow.

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      whoa – heard him on NPR the other day. beautiful voice as with the caribbean soul.

    • Michael Scott

      LOVE the part about sitting down to eat.

    • The Oracle

      Are you kidding me? That doesn’t even rhyme.

      • channelclemente

        Hmm. The Nobel committee didn’t seem to mind in 1992.

        • The Oracle

          Span waits in centerfield,
          Cain stands on the mound,
          Bochy’s huge head is empty,
          Darkness envelops me,
          Hopelessness abounds.

          Where’s my Nobel Prize?

          • channelclemente

            On the toilet.

          • Giants54

            You left out duvall?

  • paul in p.v.

    AB tweet:

    “#sfgiants eligible for a $100,000 retention bonus if kept past March 28: Gordon Beckham, David Hernandez, Aaron Hill.”

    Psst! Bobby E. – I know how to save the organization $300K!!

    Just leave a tip in the jar.

    • Michael Scott

      Easy call- Hill.

      • paul in p.v.

        Did you see Hernandez ‘pitch’ yesterday?

        Just saved another $100K! Ca-ching!!

        • Michael Scott

          Maybe I misunderstood. I meant that Hill should get the bonus. Throw the others under Footie’s tractor, good fertilizer

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            gotta go pick up my front wheel. got it re-tubed yesterday. but I’ll get to that, after I finish with first breakfast. got some farmer john sausage cooked and potatoes going…

          • Michael Scott

            I haven’t had breakfast- I’m fasting until noon.

          • Jimmy Dean

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Rebel with a clue about pork product?

          • paul in p.v.

            I like Hill – but I like Hwang better – like Brisbee, more upside:

            http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/3/18/14967108/jae-gyun-hwang-sf-giants

            No pun intended – but I’m tired of these over-the-hill vets clogging up the bench.

          • Matthew

            Better than over-the-Hwang vets

          • Michael Scott

            I like Hwang and I think that he may be up here soon.

          • 12xu

            I thought the idiom is “throw somebody under the bus,” not “tractor.”

          • Michael Scott

            I know what the usual idiom is, Thanks, though.

          • 12xu

            I was joking. But I do like “tractor” better than “bus,” sounds more rustic. : )

  • Michael Scott

    How many non-roster low-life’s will make the team? I’m going with one- Hill.

  • channelclemente
  • 610nm

    Haak usually stops by on Sunday, so I’ll hope he sees my entry for the 3/25 roster (and where is dgg lately?):

    Pence(LF), Parker(CF), Williamson(RF) with reserves Span, Hwang: my main reason for this early entry is so Bochy knows where he should play MyGuys from now until camp breaks. Parker goes from not making my 1st draft 25man to owning a starting position. I can’t see leaving Hwang off the roster, nor competing with Arroyo for playing time at 3B in Sacramento, so let’s convert him to the OF.

    Belt, Panik, Crawford, Nunez backed up by Tomlinson and Gillaspie.
    Posey backed by Hundley. Good depth at C this year!

    starting pitching: Bumgarner, Cueto, Moore, Samardzija, Blach with Cain on the DL or Sacramento. Sorry, Matt.

    relievers: Melancon, Albert Suarez, Strickland, Law, Okert, Kontos, Gearrin. Will Smith starts on the DL, as a signal to the other relievers that they need to produce before he’s activated.

    • Bapah

      Someone got on her case about something and she erased her comments and took a hike.

      • 610nm

        Seriously? That’s bad news.

        • Bapah

          I’m extrapolating, somewhat, but I think so.

      • Michael Scott

        My Email address is mscott3175@att.net. Maybe someone knows her Email address and ask if she’ll Email me.
        I may be wrong, but I suspect that Efrain was the culprit.

        • 610nm

          Please try, and mention ‘610nm’ in the process.

        • RobDeer

          If recollection serves, yes it was.

          • PerSpeier35

            Not so sure, dgg specifically said she blocked Efrain so he wouldn’t have been the culprit.

        • paul in p.v.

          Ditto. pjcarriganjr@gmail.com

          (not that pj)

      • The Oracle

        The only reason I’m still here is that no one has ever gotten on my case about anything. I don’t dish it out because I can’t take it.

        • Bapah

          Typically unnecessary and humorless comment. You’re good at nasty.

          • Peter Johnson

            Your much worse, you just think it is ok to insult some posters, but not other posters .

          • Bapah

            Peter, I’ve given you several up votes. You need to pay closer attention.

          • Peter Johnson

            I am not worried about me, I can take it, the grammar stuff gets old though, just sayin that some including you have a little high school type click going , and will defend anyone in that click at all cost . I like that you will defend a Lady, but thought The Oraclle’s post was not mean are insulting .

          • channelclemente

            Oh please.

          • Peter Johnson

            You two are in the Click !

          • channelclemente

            Peter, shed the cross. Most of the time your just a douche bag, even though, on occasion you’re capable of a pleasant discussion. Lately, I’ve just assumed your life is complicated if not hard and let it go.

          • Ham & Egging It

            You should ended that post with, (sad).

        • Michael Scott

          Dgg has always been a pleasant and thoughtful contributor here. Why the need to take a shot at her?

          • The Oracle

            I don’t have anything against her, but she’s taken plenty of shots at me. One of her best might have been the very direct “I hate you.” That’s her right. But if she actually left because of what someone said to her, I think its inconsistent with the way she addressed those she disliked or with whom she disagreed.

          • Michael Scott

            It’s hard to imagine why she wouldn’t love you.

          • The Oracle

            I know. It’s a real conundrum.

        • channelclemente

          Ahh, you’re here primarily because you enjoy trolling from what I can tell.

          • The Oracle

            If someone disagrees with you, it must be trolling.

          • Michael Scott

            Dgg is a retired physician. If I can get a hold of her, maybe she’ll agree to help you with a much needed operation.

          • The Oracle

            Which one?

          • Michael Scott

            The one connects your cerebellum to your arse.

          • The Oracle

            I must upvote this.

          • channelclemente

            When it’s content free, and generally mean spirited, then yeah.

        • DrLefty

          If I don’t get someone mad at me at least twice a month I feel like I’m slacking. PJ wants me to be exported to Russia, so it’s been an excellent March so far.

          • channelclemente

            I bet your kids are a rip.

          • DrLefty

            They’re pretty fun.

          • channelclemente

            Great tutelage or genes, flip a coin. Nah, self defense and survival.

          • DrLefty

            All of the above. 🙂

      • paul in p.v.

        Oh shite, she can’t leave TWG!

        Come home, deeg!!

    • HaakAway

      Thanks … I am checking in and got your changes.

      • Peter Johnson

        Can you post my 25 man roster, I think I picked Rollins, David Hernandez, Justin Ruguliano(spelling), so want to change them , but not sure of my exact 25 man.

        • HaakAway

          Yes, you did pick Rugg, Rollins and D. Hernandez.
          Your other picks were Gorkys, Parker, Okert and Cain plus the core 18 most of us agree with.

          • Peter Johnson

            I did not pick Gearrin right, replace D. Hernandez with him, replace Rollins, with Hill, and replace Rugg with Morse, replace Cain with Blach . I am going with more my picks , the other picks were more the way I thought what Giants Management would do.

          • HaakAway

            Thanks Peter
            That would add a whole ‘nother contest: “What 25-Man SHOULD the Giants have taken?”

  • Matthew

    Today’s “In The Clubhouse” on CSN right now is pretty interesting….and Affeldt’s narration is comforting

  • Matthew

    Anyone not moved by watching that video from Belt being told he made the bigs has no heartbeat…..

  • Ham & Egging It

    Giants should be on the MLB channel right now. But are not (sad).

    • RobDeer

      Regular season AL games take 3 1/2 hrs. Spring training games? Fuhget about it…

    • 12xu

      Giants website says CSBA and MLB (out-of-market only).

  • Peter Johnson

    The Shark is already showing why team USA said thanks but no thanks, were good stay with the Giants, we wil call you do not call us .

    • Appalled7

      Patience, Peter. Let him get warmed up first before you throw him under the tractor.

    • 610nm

      I’m glad Beede is in the pipeline, as only the top 3 SP seem well set.

      • Ham & Egging It

        I heard that Beede didn’t like school and was nobody’s fool.

  • Michael Scott

    It’s been so long since last season ended, that I forgot how pitches is ideal per inning.

    • Matthew

      Simple fix: google ” The Krukow Theorem”

  • RobDeer

    I’m more worried about Amy G than Span or Pence.

    • Ham & Egging It

      Always a gentleman you are.

      • RobDeer

        Love Yoda speak I do.

    • Michael Scott

      It has never made any sense that so many you trash her. Her interviews are better than any of the ex-jocks.

      • RobDeer

        Did you hear her just now?

        • Michael Scott

          What pissed you off ?

          • Michael Scott

            I’m more worried about the 71 percent of the folks here who don’t really like baseball.

          • Peter Johnson

            Wow, you are the Judge, Jury, and the executioner, of deciding what a real baseball fan is, nice to see you think so highly of your Baseball fandom judgement .

          • Michael Scott

            I’m referring to you and others who seem to like bitching more than enjoying a game.

          • Peter Johnson

            I have a problem with being brutally honest, so when a player is playing bad, I can not lie and post that he is playing great, just to make the homer fans like you happy .

          • Michael Scott

            “I have a problem with being brutally honest”
            You have a problem with being clueless.

          • Peter Johnson

            Have to go to the insults already !

          • RobDeer

            The hushed, I’m interviewing someone in a library tone, coupled with the long dramatic pauses between questions.

          • channelclemente

            LOL. You need a beer, dude.

          • RobDeer

            What a great idea!!! Does anyone in the clique, I mean click, wanna join me? We’ll drink to Lefty’s Russian Voyage.

          • DrLefty

            Can I just have a vodka-based cocktail instead of going all the way to Russia?

          • RobDeer

            I don’t think so. Penance must be served.

          • DrLefty

            I just got back from Portland last night and I’m going to Seattle on Tuesday. That will have to do.

          • Appalled7

            Nope, you need to at least go as far as Alaska. I hear you can see Russia from there.

          • paul in p.v.

            “Luc” – French bistro on Madison/17th St. Yum!

          • DrLefty

            I respect Amy G, but I have to say that any time she starts a question with “Talk about…” or “Take me through…”–I grit my teeth. Maybe work on some variety.

          • Michael Scott

            That still makes her interviews far and away better than the boyz.

          • Bapah

            I HATE overhyped, loud and over-energized interviews. The same goes for announcers of all ilks.

          • RobDeer

            Stop yelling at me.

          • Bapah

            Now, who’s yelling?

          • RobDeer

            Ummm… you? Or is it me?

          • Bapah

            Rob (said softly) Listen to CC.

          • RobDeer

            I did. I’ve already had 6 beers. NOW I CANT STOP YELLING.

          • Michael Scott

            She’s just practicing to do golf tournaments

        • Matthew

          Some curmudgeons don’t allow for our opinions.

      • channelclemente

        I agree. She gets more interesting comments from ballplayers she interviews than even Krukow and company do.

      • The Oracle

        I guess I must’ve missed those.

        • Michael Scott

          The jocks set a low bar.

  • Matthew

    Matt Moore has some serious choppers

    • DrLefty

      Very white. I’ve noticed that before. You’d think he worked in Hollywood.

  • RobDeer

    C’mon, Shockers.

  • DrLefty

    Affeldt: Looks the Gamer Babes are hot right now.
    Me: groooooan, just stop right there, Jeremy
    Kuiper: Mike would tell you that ALL Gamer Babes are hot.
    (Me: Oh, no, he wouldn’t.)

    • Appalled7

      I had the SAME thought.

      • Matthew

        The preceding commentary was brought to you by The Pagan Butt Squad

        • RobDeer

          I thought Trump de-funded PBS?

          • Matthew

            They held an on-air fundraiser offering a signed CD selection of “Angel’s Greatest Hits”…free with a 6 month subscription. It includes favorites like “The Bubble Butt Bounce”, “The Hair Up There”, “Any Given Sundae” and many, many more

          • DrLefty

            Did you see where Windy got him to bleach his hair blonde? Did the whole PR team do that? SMH

          • Matthew

            Yadi Molina looked like an unhappy gecko

          • Sgbssfg

            Carlos Beltran is particularly disturbing. It all started with the Cub’s Baez, who wanted to be incognito in Chicago post WS.

          • DrLefty

            Yes, I’m sure that will work out well for him.

          • Matthew

            Funny you say that! A kid that worked for me , who is a huge Cubs fan, ran into Mr. Trying To Be Incognito on Ontario by Trader Joe’s. He was wearing about 45 gold chains, a blue leather Cubs jacket, and the rest of his family were all wearing various and sundry Cubs bling. She high-fives him

          • DrLefty

            Yes, it’s obvious how much he dislikes attention. Poor introverted guy.

          • Sgbssfg

            Perhaps his idea of incognito is different than mine.

          • Lunch_Box

            He is proposing to do so because he wants the country to be too stupid and uneducated to question the actions of his administration.

        • Appalled7

          I don’t recall ever once mentioning Pagan’s butt. I will, however, cop to commenting on players’ appearances (you know, the guys who signed up to be public figures). I don’t recall ever commenting on the appearance of an audience member, however, nor have I referred to any guy as “hot” or a “babe” on national broadcast media. And I certainly have never referred to half of the audience by a gender-biased derogatory term.

          • DrLefty

            I might have mentioned Angel’s butt a few times. I repent.

          • Matthew

            Touche’!

          • Matthew

            Wait! Stop upvoting! I meant to say “Touchy!”

          • Appalled7

            LOL. Can’t tell for sure if you are joking or not, but either way that comment is exceedingly funny!

          • Matthew

            In the case of my posts, there is a rule: Always err on the side of “trying to be funny”

          • Appalled7

            It would almost have been funnier the other way.

          • Matthew

            That’s true…

          • Sgbssfg

            As my Czech friend said, not everyone has a sense for humor.

          • RobDeer

            To je fakt. Ale jsem velmi smesny.

          • Sgbssfg

            Show off.

          • RobDeer

            Only language I can even remotely claim to know other than English.

          • The Oracle

            Krukow’s “Gamer Babe” label has never been based on appearance.

          • Appalled7

            Doesn’t matter. I believe that every woman who posts on here frequently has, at one time or another, commented on how much we hate the term and find it offensive. It needs to be retired.

          • The Oracle

            I remember you commenting on Brownie’s appearance.

          • Appalled7

            I believe you are mistaken about that, good sir.

    • But the Gamer Babe gizmo was originated by four humans of your gender. Mike did not start the fad.

      http://www.hmbreview.com/news/gamer-babes-give-giants-taste-of-half-moon-bay/article_ab951a58-2534-11e2-9ad2-0019bb2963f4.html

      (or so my story goes)

  • Ham & Egging It

    Giants are now on the MLB channel.

  • Appalled7

    Man, Parker is just a bundle of nervous energy in the box, isn’t he?

    • channelclemente

      Twitchy looks, on occasion, he might self-combust or shed his skin. He does seem tohave changed his leg kick a bit. Better timing??

      • crawnik

        He was like that when I saw him play in the AFL in 2013.

    • Bapah

      Drives me nuts with his Mr. Twitchy act.

    • DrLefty

      Baggs had a great article today about how Parker and Trevor Brown reached out to Hwang and made him feel welcome.

      • Michael Scott

        Shame on those others who made him feel unwelcome 😉

        • DrLefty

          They took the initiative, is what I meant.

          • Michael Scott

            I know what you meant, but you threw me a softball. I couldn’t resist

      • Lunch_Box

        So happy that Hwang brings some positivity and fun to the ballclub. Hope the team rewards him on his performance and he gets added to the Opening Day roster.

      • Appalled7

        You just seem determined to turn me into a Parker fan, don’t you? I will not be led down that path without kicking and screaming. 😉

        • DrLefty

          I’m just tired of PJ accusing me of being a Parker hater when that’s YOU. I’M the one who talks about Angel’s butt, but I guess to this crowd, all women commenters look alike. 😉

          • RobDeer

            That’s not true, DrLeftappalledy7.

          • channelclemente

            Orange and Black.

          • Appalled7

            Ha ha ha. True!

  • Matthew

    It’s exhibition season and I’m already tremendously over the Maaco ads

    • DrLefty

      I’m stuck on how much trouble Chris Paul is always having at his house. Skunks, trees falling, teammates “crashing the glass” and “on the paint.” It’s probably good he got injured. He needs to be at his State Farm agent’s office full-time.

  • Matthew

    Mid-season form! You go, Jefe’

  • Appalled7

    OK, Peter, NOW throw him under the tractor!

  • Ham & Egging It

    Amy’s been hitting the gym it looks like.

    • RobDeer

      You leave her alone!!!

      • Ham & Egging It

        No disrespect, she’s sacrosanct (like the vestals of yore).

  • livfreerdi

    Fresh faces on the umpire roster, but, alas, Dave reports it’s not because anyone got fired for cause.

    • Lunch_Box

      Shoot….thought Angel Hernandez and Joe West would have gotten the axe.

      • livfreerdi

        Of course they should … but umpires get neither promoted nor retained on merit.

        • Michael Scott

          Joe makes it clear that he’s the boss. Got to keep the punks in line.

      • Sgbssfg

        I’m just amazed Joe West is still working. The man does not look healthy.

  • livfreerdi

    Dont worry about Smarge … the Giants always said that the pitching coach, the defense and the ballpark would turn him into an ace … clearly only one of the 3 are present.

    • Michael Scott

      These guys just insist in keeping Cain in the mix.

  • Matthew

    Matt Cainmardzija! Looking good!!!!

    • DrLefty

      I wonder if Shark’s wretched spring makes them more or less likely to run with Cain at the #5. I’m thinking maybe less. You can “carry” Cain for awhile if the other four guys are solid, but right now, Smardge is not.

      • Matthew

        You paid him off during your visit, didn’t you?!?!?!

        • DrLefty

          I don’t think we saw him pitch…he started the day after we left.

          • Matthew

            Mm hmm….yup. Never saw him. Nope. Gotcha

          • DrLefty

            Except over mojitos on the back patio at The Mission…

      • livfreerdi

        Who do you favor for No. 5 now? Don’t say Blach, except against the Dodgers.

        • RobDeer

          I’ll say Blach right now against anyone.

        • DrLefty

          Well, I WOULD say Blach, but since you said not to, I’d give Beede a shot.

          • livfreerdi

            Blach’s severe platoon splits make him an unlikely success over a stretch, no?

          • DrLefty

            He was pretty good in the minors, and he’s smart and a hard worker. We’re talking the #5 spot, not Bumgarner’s spot. I think he could handle it, and he deserves a shot.

          • Matthew

            True. Cain’s splits are much more equal. .455 each side!

  • Matthew

    It’s kinda cute to watch these kids all lose their facial baby fat…I remember how pudgy faced Buster was…now, looking at Panik, same thing

    • Bapah

      He needs to wear sunglasses over his mouth.

      • DrLefty

        Yep–Moore AND Panik with the pearly whites. Do they give away free whitening strips in the clubhouse or something?

        • RobDeer

          So THAT’S what Beckham is giving out. Knew it was something.

          • DrLefty

            Speaking of, there was a cannabis shop across the street from the Oregon Convention Center in Portland. Just right there in case you wanted a break from the conference.

          • Bapah

            They probably should re-locate to the booth next to the one where you pick up your badges.

          • DrLefty

            That would be better. It rains quite a bit in Portland. I wasn’t especially inclined to leave the building.

          • Bapah

            They could call it:
            “Badges? ”
            “You don’t need no stinking badges.”

          • steve k

            maybe you could pick-up something nice for your dog walker..

          • 12xu

            Oh, that’s why he’s still on the team.

    • Sgbssfg

      And he has facial hair. Our little Joe is starting to look more like la grown up than a Boy Scout.

  • DrLefty

    Steven “No Drama” Okert. He’s gotta have that spot sewn up, doesn’t he?

    • RobDeer

      Absolutely.

      • Michael Scott

        They still might keep 3 southpaws.

        • DrLefty

          Yes, I suppose that’s possible.

        • RobDeer

          I’m always in favor of 3 southpaws. But, that’s obviously contingent on Osich being ’15 version and not ’16.

          • DrLefty

            The third one could be Blach, if they let Cain start in the rotation. They don’t have a real long man, otherwise.

          • RobDeer

            Also true. I was penciling Blach into the rotation in that scenario. What can I say, I’m a dreamer.

          • Matthew

            Be careful. Dreamers get exported

          • RobDeer

            I love free vacations.

          • Michael Scott

            I think Bochy- like most managers- likes an experienced guy as the swing man. Suarez might be that guy if he has a couple good outings.

          • Michael Scott

            He’s been improving as the spring progresses.Last time out he had to get 5 outs- last year he would have blown up.

  • Matthew

    Now Lefty is paying off umps.

  • Efrain

    Team had no reason to not look sharp today. Panic and Crawford can’t mean to the overall success of this team or this team is in trouble. And I’d u think ST doesn’t mean much that’s total BS.

    • RobDeer

      Totally. I really thought they would’ve had this March 19th game vs the Brewers circled on their schedule.

      • Efrain

        Easy for you to dismiss a sluggish showing. You know you would feel better if they showed more this spring. This team is not going to score a lot. Mark my words

        • Matthew

          Mark them with Louis the Rally Dog?

        • RobDeer

          I always mark your words. You’re the reason I keep a red felt pen handy at all times.

        • channelclemente

          This sort of situation was predictable don’t you think, given how many ‘maybes’ were invited to ST. So maybe you should use invisible ink.

          • Peter Johnson

            Problem is the sure things to make the team are not hitting , Pence, Span,.

          • Matthew

            I think the opposite, PJ. Those guys are just pacing…the dudes trying to make the team have something at stake…Pence, Span (and others) don’t

          • Peter Johnson

            Nobody ever tries to make outs, is that what pacing is, if it is they are good at it .

          • Efrain

            so how are these “maybees” keeping the actual players the team is counting on from playing to form? That’s a BS excuse and you know it. Sure you can argue that it’s affecting the overall record, but I’m pointing to individual performances that are notably concerning.

    • Matthew

      Uh oh. Sunday Efrain showed up

  • Michael Scott

    Beede has a shot at making this real interesting.

    • channelclemente

      He would really benefit from Posey behind the plate.

      • Peter Johnson

        He would really benefit with Crawford at SS, Belt had to signal for a fair catch on that Rollins throw from the hole with a Pitcher running .

        • channelclemente

          Yeah, Rollins is underwhelming, but compared to Crawford, pretty much everyone is. My point was simply that Posey brings along young arms better than most I’ve seen.

          • RobDeer

            He’s no Jonathan Lucroy.

          • channelclemente

            Better, IMO.

          • RobDeer

            I was being Silly on Sunday. Plus, you made me start drinking.

          • channelclemente

            LOL. Tecate I hope.

          • RobDeer

            Riazul Anejo. With a slice of a Carolina Reaper in the bottle for that added spice. Gonna send a bottle to GG since Florida’s tequila options are apparently sadly lacking.

          • Matthew

            What a fancy cervidae.

        • Michael Scott

          No SS would get the out on that grounder. None. Ever.

          • RobDeer

            Mark Belanger. 1979.

          • Matthew

            Art Fletcher, 1912

          • Michael Scott

            Yeah, I seem to recall that. The pitcher was the cut off man.

          • RobDeer

            Scott McGregor, I believe.

          • Matthew

            Dude. Ross Grimsley. Hello?!?!?!?

          • RobDeer

            I opt for Mike Flanagan.

          • RobDeer

            Just googled him to make sure I spelled it correctly and realized he died in 2011 at the age of 59. Don’t recall that. Now I’m sad. Thx a lot.

          • Bapah

            Google while drinking.

          • RobDeer

            Friends don’t let friends Google while drinking?

          • Matthew

            It’s why they make driverless cars?!

          • Bapah

            Who? Google?

          • Matthew

            Yeah…haven’t you seen them?

          • Bapah

            No, I hear Über just ate Google’s lunch.

          • Matthew

            It’s cool. Just a virtual lunch

          • Bapah

            Wheel Sea.

  • Matthew

    Bochy reading poetic prose in Giants commercials…somewhere between sublime and funny

  • Matthew

    MICHAEL MORRIS IS BACK!

    • 12xu

      Says Kuiper?

  • Michael Scott

    Could the 4,5 be Beede and Blach? Nah. Well, maybe.Nah. Why not?Nah.

    • channelclemente

      Samardzija seems to be digging himself a foxhole.

    • Giants54

      With JS owed about $80m? ha.

      • Michael Scott

        He could hit the DL. but it was just idle musing, anyway. I know the contracts, but thanks for stopping in.

  • Matthew

    Ann Span? Really?!?!

    • RobDeer

      Ann Span can.

  • DrLefty

    I’m staying at the Sheraton Seattle this next week, and check out this free perk for registered guests. Now THAT’s a great hotel!

    http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/features/fas_detail.html?propertyID=460&fasXRefId=1039082693

    • RobDeer

      That’s friggin’ amazing. And shocking.

    • Cueball

      They have their priorities down correctly for the guests.

    • Keep’n It Real

      Please try and control your tears of happiness, as you check in 🙂

  • Matthew

    Teeth whitening all year!

  • RobDeer

    Is it ridiculous to be mildly concerned when Beckham gets a hit for fear he makes the team over Kelby?

    • Matthew

      No

      • RobDeer

        Whew

    • Michael Scott

      Don’t be concerned. Now- with another hit- be very very worried.

  • Matthew

    There is a dude named Couchee in the dugout. Spring Training Random Dude

    • The Oracle

      Mike Couchee, SJ Giants pitching coach and Los Gatos High alum?

      • Matthew

        That was extremely ClutchUpish of you

        • The Oracle

          I know I claim to have a thick skin, but every man has his limit.

  • DrLefty

    I really want Hwang on the team.

    • RobDeer

      Me too. Just don’t see how it’s possible. Can you have Nunez, Conor and him all on the team?

      • DrLefty

        Depends if you go with one all-purpose backup OF–say Gorkys–and have other guys who can back up in an emergency–Belt, Kelby, Nunez, even Hwang. You could have a bench consisting then of Hundley, Gillaspie, Tomlinson, Gorkys, and Hwang. That definitely would land Mac in the minors.

        • The Oracle

          Hernandez probably isn’t even an MLB-caliber player.

          • DrLefty

            Probably not. Yet here we are.

        • Giants54

          Mac injured his quad…..might be a convenient excuse for G’s.

          • DrLefty

            Mac did? Again? Wasn’t that what ended his season last year?

        • RobDeer

          When was the last time our bench was this up in the air this late in ST? I mean, I don’t think anyone would be shocked if Hill, Kelby, Beckham, Mac, Morse, Hwang or Marrero made the team. Who’d I leave out?

          • DrLefty

            Rollins.

          • RobDeer

            That would shock me into cardiac arrest. I formally request mouth to mouth from Peachy and not Peter.

          • DrLefty

            I agree that Hill and Marrero (and Morse) have all made a case for themselves. Not so much Beckham, other than that he’s reportedly a likable fellow.

          • RobDeer

            I included him over Rollins in my ‘no way in hell this could happen except it’s the Giants’ spot.

          • DrLefty

            Fair enough

          • JRoll might be a lock :-)))

          • livfreerdi

            Shocked? No. Disgusted if it’s Hill or Beckman, who have no upside? Yes.

      • Peter Johnson

        Yes , Nunez the backup SS, KT in AAA .

        • RobDeer

          I don’t see them opening the season with Nunez as the only viable backup SS.

          • Peter Johnson

            He played SS for the Twins ,and for most of his Career with the Yankees, if somebody gets hurt they call up KT.

          • RobDeer

            I’m aware. Still don’t see it.

          • Matthew

            Hater.

          • RobDeer

            Totes.

          • Peter Johnson

            I do, I have KT at AAA, and Hill as the other infielder on the bench with Conner, and Hwang in AAA with KT .

          • RobDeer

            Do me a favor and also give me your entire NCAA tourney picks. And if it’s not too much trouble what you foresee your fantasy football team looking like.

          • DrLefty

            Me either, especially since he’s also the starting 3B. You need someone who can actually give guys a day off sometimes. Kelby and Rollins are the only ones in the mix who could back up Panik and Craw with any level of competence. Nunez is good to have if a sniper hits two SS in the same game or something.

          • paul in p.v.

            Um – doesn’t KT play SS?

    • Matthew

      There are plenty (sorry…had to)

    • The Oracle

      If they’re actually thinking of giving Morse a spot, that sport should go to Hwang instead.

      • RobDeer

        Then Hwang needs to start shagging flies.

        • The Oracle

          They have him working on LF.

          • RobDeer

            Good to know. His bat will play.

        • DrLefty

          I think they said he has been (or will be)–there was a list of guys who were going to be working with Cody Ross on the minor league field on outfield stuff. I think Hwang was on the list.

        • The Oracle

          With no experience at all, Hwang couldn’t be any worse than Morse out there.

          • RobDeer

            Inarguable.

          • paul in p.v.

            With a much higher upside.

        • Michael Scott

          Might depend on whether Morse would accept an assignment to AAA. Or neither of them might make it out of ST.

          • RobDeer

            He’s said he wouldn’t. It’s OD roster spot with the Giants or bust.

        • Matthew

          Hwang’s like to shag (Sorry…Had to)

          • RobDeer

            Ann Span Hwang?

          • Matthew

            Peter is not enjoying this madcap mirth

          • RobDeer

            THIS IS SERIOUS!!!

        • paul in p.v.

          He did that 2 days ago.

  • RobDeer

    Duane has his over the top, “there’s a drive” call on a ball that has no chance of going anywhere but into an outfielders glove down pat.

    • Lunch_Box

      Biggest drama king in the booth after Kruk. His “outta here” catchphrase always rolls in my head when I’m doing a #2.

      • paul in p.v.

        Gee thx for that visual. Not.

  • DrLefty

    Schulman just tweeted that Beede’s been optioned to Sacramento, so I guess that’s that. Sheesh, he just got pinch-hit for 90 seconds ago. Maybe let him take a shower first?

    • DrLefty

      Schulman must have mis-tweeted. You can only be optioned if you’re on the 40. Beede’s not. He can be, what, re-assigned?

      • Matthew

        Hank isn’t always detail oriented

        • DrLefty

          No. He’s the king of Twitter typos. I hope he never changes.

      • Michael Scott

        Never mind about Beede, Slade Heathcott was sent down yesterday.

        • DrLefty

          “Fifty Shades” Slade? Say it isn’t so!

        • channelclemente

          Great catch out in RF yeserday.

    • Michael Scott

      Takes care of my day dream.

      • DrLefty

        Well, Chris Heston was optioned before the 2015 season and was set to start the River Cats’ opener. Then Cain and Peavy went down on the same day, and the rest is history. This is to say players can be un-optioned if things change.

        • Matthew

          The linguistic professor whips out an “un-optioned”

          • DrLefty

            English is a very versatile language that way

        • Michael Scott

          I don’t doubt that he might be up soon.

          • DrLefty

            I think they have other options with Blach, Stratton, Albert S., and Blackburn. Makes sense to tuck Beede into Sacramento and let him come along at his own pace. Doesn’t start his clock yet, either.

          • Michael Scott

            Maybe, but if he Timmy’s it in AAA,he might be up real soon

        • paul in p.v.

          My Man, Presto. Sigh…

    • Lots of the younger generation of males forgo the shower part Ewwww….when did that start. &$%#^$

      HS Showers are a ghost town

      • DrLefty

        Beede has a stunningly beautiful actress fiancée. I bet he showers.

        • Most likely they conserve and shower together

    • Baggs also
      @extrabaggs The Giants are ***optioning*** Tyler Beede to AAA. He’s very pleased with his spring, as he should be.

  • Matthew

    His nickname better be “Henny ”

    • Matthew

      Is it reminiscient of Scolari and Hanks in Bosom Buddies?

      • Captain & Tennille

      • Lunch_Box

        More like Garfunkel and Garfunkel.

  • Thank you John Lynch for signing stand out special team player / linebacker Dekoda Watson to 3-year deal

  • Michael Scott

    So? Who is going down after the game?

  • RobDeer

    Now that was impressive.

  • Matthew

    Arroyo Grande

    • DrLefty

      Opposite field…nice

      • Peter Johnson

        Can of corn in SF.

        • RobDeer

          Ummm… No.

          • Peter Johnson

            In 50F instead of 90F in heavy air instead of dry heat .

          • RobDeer

            Peter, that ball was a rifle shot. Cleared the fence before the RFer took 3 steps. Might not have gone out in SF but it isn’t caught. Unless Art Fletcher was out there.

          • Peter Johnson

            Might have in a day game, not sure how close to the line it was , AT&T down the line is 309 but gets a lot deeper quickly, wall is very high too .

          • RobDeer

            Tell me more about our park dimensions.

        • #Hating?

          • channelclemente

            NO, it was a flyball out in RF at AT&T.

          • Thanks PJ :o)

          • channelclemente

            It’s a matter of context, wind and carry in AT&T vs AZ, not PJ.

          • Like I said….thanks

          • RobDeer

            Really don’t think so.

          • channelclemente

            OK by me.

          • “One other person is typing” LOL

  • Matthew

    I’m glad so many folks think it’s necessary to put conditions on Arroyo’s home run.

    • channelclemente

      Context is everything.

      • Matthew

        Yup. Mantle would have sucked in AT&T

        • channelclemente

          He did love RF at Yankee stadium.

    • RobDeer

      That ball was smoked. I don’t care what anyone says. Except for PJ. Then I care.

    • 13 thumbs Up

  • 2holehitting

    The way Smardzija is going this spring, I think Cain is a lock as the number 4 starter.

    • Michael Scott

      Hardly.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Andrew Baggarly‏ @extrabaggs 3m3 minutes ago
    Giants reassigned Christian Arroyo as well. Bochy joked, “Hit a homer…..he gone.”

    • Michael Scott

      Are we going to get these cuts one a time? That’s mighty cruel of Bochy. “OK, all you Giants stand up. Uh, not so fast, Christian “

      • paul in p.v.

        And you, Hernandez, Rollins, Hill. There’s $300K. Ca-ching!

  • Keep’n It Real

    Henry Schulman‏@hankschulman 47s47 seconds ago
    Arroyo “pretty sure” he’s going to Sacramento. #sfgiants

  • The Oracle

    Baseball is the only major sport where the best players don’t necessarily make the team. It’s also the only workplace circumstance where baseball players don’t have the advantage over athletes in the other sports.

    • Michael Scott

      It’s also the only major sport that has a real minor league system.

      • The Oracle

        Once someone makes it in the MLB, the benefits and protections are great. But teams can still screw guys that could make a roster elsewhere. On balance, NBA players might have it a little better. Their contracts are also guaranteed, but if one team won’t put a player on the roster, they’re immediately free to go somewhere else.

        • Michael Scott

          Who do you think is getting screwed by the Giants? And do you get the significance of having a minor league system vs, say, the NFL?

          • The Oracle

            Of course I see it, but it’s the last remaining vestige of the days when the owners had all the power.

        • Keep’n It Real

          “But teams can still screw guys that could make a roster elsewhere.”

          I can see why you might say this, but I don’t necessarily agree.

          In most cases, players that don’t make a team are free agents that signed a minor league deal…looking to make the team…or to make enough of an impression to make someone else’s. They know the deal going in, so I can’t say that they’re getting screwed.

          Minor league players may be able to make other teams, but parent team has invested money in their contract and money in their development. They too know the deal and there’s always the 40 man roster limit + the Rule 5 that helps these guys go to other teams.

          • The Oracle

            I’m talking about the players in a team’s system. They have no power. It’s just the way it is, and I don’t think it’s ever going to change. MLBPA members are never going to be willing to fight to make it easier for someone to their jobs.

          • DrLefty

            I absolutely believe there are guys right now in the Giants’ system that could be in a major league rotation elsewhere. The Padres–quick, name ANY of their pitchers. The Twins. The Rockies. The Giants have THREE guys–Blach, Blackburn, and Stratton–who have already spent two years in AAA, and with the possible exception of Blach, are not going to make the team. And with Beede coming up behind them they may never get an opportunity in the Giants’ rotation. Meanwhile, the Giants go out and sign Samardzija and Cueto and trade for Moore and let Cain keep a spot he no longer deserves. They’re blocked and they’re kind of screwed. Blackburn is still on the young side at 24, but Blach and Stratton are both 26 already.

            Then there’s Duvall–a throw-in on a trade–and Biagini, lost in the Rule 5 draft. They got their chance elsewhere.

          • paul in p.v.

            Do those AAA pitchers have the possibility of declaring FA? Probably a stupid question, but that seems feudal if they can’t.

          • DrLefty

            Eventually they can become free agents–maybe after six(?) years?

          • Keep’n It Real

            I don’t see them as getting screwed. They weren’t ready at the time Shark and Cueto were signed, they signed for $$$ via the draft without guarantees, they’re being developed on the Giants dime, and they get to play baseball for a living.

          • DrLefty

            So let’s take just one guy, Blackburn, as an example. At the end of 2015, he’d spent four full years in the minors. He won the ERA title in the PCL. If that’s not “ready,” then what is? He’d earned a chance, but thanks to free-agent signings and Peavy and Cain locked in at the back of the rotation, there was no spot for him (or Chris Heston, who won 12 games for the Giants in 2015, or Stratton, or Blach–you get the idea).

            I think the fair thing to do is either make a spot for a guy or trade him. It’s not right to let them spend their 20s stuck in the minors if you have no intention of ever giving them a real shot. Now, I get that you need depth and can’t unload them all, but when you have 4-5 starting pitchers in AAA who have been there for several years, maybe that’s just unfair stockpiling.

          • Keep’n It Real

            I know you’ve been frustrated by this and your personal viewing of Blackburn probably adds to it, but that’s the way things are. If the Giants had some “MLB ready” pitchers ready-to-go, there wouldn’t have been a need to trade for Peavy (and re-sign him), sign Cueto and Shark, etc. They were going for it (in the same way they traded for Beltran) and this led to those signings.

            This season is about to unfold…Cain is sucking…Shark is too…and they may need some OFers (CF?)…so let’s see if this sudden stockpiling works itself out.

  • channelclemente

    A brief Fangraph interview with Aaron Hill at the end of last season.

    Last fall, I chatted with Aaron Hill
    as he was packing up his gear at the conclusion of his 12th big-league
    season. We talked about how hitters see the ball better against some
    pitchers than others, and what that means from a mental standpoint. Not
    surprisingly, he had a good take.

    “Knowing that you hit a guy well helps your confidence,” Hill told
    me. “It can change your mindset. Instead of going up to the plate, ‘Oh,
    man, I’m struggling right now, so I’m just going to try to put the ball
    in play,’ you’re thinking ‘I’ve got this guy.’

    According to the veteran infielder — currently in camp with the Giants — some match-ups can have a lingering effect.

    “Sometimes that will trigger you going forward,” said Hill. “But it
    can also work the other way around. There are some guys where, after you
    face them, you seem to go into a slump. They mess you up that bad.
    Other guys help bring back those positive thoughts.”

    I asked Hill how often managers ask hitters about certain hurlers when making lineup decisions.

    “I think they mostly go off the numbers,” responded Hill. “They’ll
    look at the sheets and see how much success you have, or haven’t, had.
    At times, they might ask an everyday player, ‘Hey, do you see the ball
    well against this guy?’ You tell them yes or no, and that can sway their
    opinion. Maybe.”

  • channelclemente

    Between Ruth, Williams, Bonds, and Mantle, who hit the most triples.

    • RobDeer

      Ruth

      • channelclemente

        Almost twice as many as the others. That guy could move, I guess.

        • Michael Scott

          Of course he was playing against a bunch of retired barbers.

          • channelclemente

            You’d think all those straight razors would have slowed him down.

          • The Oracle

            In an 8 team league.

          • DrLefty

            The stadium dimensions were really different in the early 20th century, too. There’s a fascinating exhibit in the Hall of Fame about it.

        • RobDeer

          Yeah. Which is why I thought Goodman was such a fine choice to play him.

          • channelclemente

            They are all very similar on doubles, so it seems like speed is the best explanation.

            The stat that boggles my mind is Ted Williams carried a season long BABIP of ~.420 against the shift. How’s that even possible? Someone tell Belt.

          • RobDeer

            They actually employed a shift against him?

          • channelclemente

            Yep. And he refused to go the other way. Hard headed cuss.

          • RobDeer

            He’d fit right in here.

          • channelclemente

            Old newspaper photo of the shift used against him.

            https://i.imgur.com/EdfhIHL.png

          • RobDeer

            Wow. That’s a severely radical shift.

          • channelclemente

            I thought the same thing.

          • Fighter pilot

          • channelclemente

            Which informed which?

          • The Oracle

            Hitting the ball very hard, on the line or over the wall. That’s why he’s possibly the greatest hitter who ever lived.

          • channelclemente

            LOL. Slappy power.

          • Williams
            Bonds
            Gwynn

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Possibly?!?!?!!?

        • Yanks 3rd base coach kept hot dogs in rear pocket

    • Matthew

      Vince Coleman! Oh, you didn’t ask that

    • ? Mantle?

      • channelclemente

        Ruth, almost twiceas many.

  • Michael Scott

    With Chuck Berry’s death, an age old question must be asked once again- where is the best rock music- heaven or hell?

    • channelclemente

      Purgatory?

      • RobDeer

        My first thought, also.

        • channelclemente

          He’ll do significant time there to ditch his love of teenage girls.

          • RobDeer

            If that’s the case, how long will Michael Jackson be there?

          • channelclemente

            A bit I suspect.

    • According to Wally Pipp hands down upstairs

  • livfreerdi

    Most disturbing development in the WBC? The widespread use of the cement-colored road unis.

    • DrLefty

      Ugh. PREACH. It made me want to puke seeing Buster and Craw dressed up like Diamondbacks.

      • livfreerdi

        Those met with universal disdain, so now it’s standard in the WBC

  • Michael Scott

    The River Cats roster will be kick-ass this year,

    • RobDeer

      With that Rollins-Beckham DP combo? Hell yes.

      • Michael Scott

        You peckerheads just can’t let it go, can you?

        • RobDeer

          Can’t let what go?

          • Michael Scott

            The usual shit. Figure it out.

          • RobDeer

            Jesus… i was just poking fun. Our veteran presence at camp really doesn’t bother me at all. But being called a peckerhead makes it all worthwhile. My heart went all a flutter.

          • channelclemente

            It’s the bird in you.

          • Michael Scott

            I’ll make sure that the veterans know that you don’t mind that they are in camp. But I do hear that they are stealing food that the young guys need.

          • RobDeer

            You’re rather surly today, Chef.

          • Michael Scott

            I am going to renew my vow to NEVER comment during a game. That way I can enjoy the game and you guys can be spared my comments.Win-Win.

          • RobDeer

            Well, I’m not going to be held emotionally hostage by your vow to never comment during a game.

          • Michael Scott

            What ever you just said is fine with me.

          • RobDeer

            I’m gonna stop joking with you for the day. It doesn’t seem to be getting very well received. Rest easy in the knowledge that I plan on joking with you again tomorrow.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            I have felt much better knowing that I was not holding you hostage. We’ll always have Stockholm.

          • paul in p.v.

            He’s missing out on the fun of watching with amigos.

          • livfreerdi

            Who minds veterans? But I can see how you might think having veterans who haven’t hit a lick in years is a waste of time.

          • RobDeer

            I hear ya. Yet, we all know of the lightning in a bottle we’ve caught with certain guys over the last seven years. Pretty much everyone one of those guys could’ve been classified as a veteran who hadn’t hit a lick in years. You can’t see what sticks without throwing some mud.

          • Michael Scott

            Many of the non-roster guys who have made the team have been key pieces over the last few years. And many who didn’t make it did help the youngsters- both in camp in AAA. I wouldn’t expect that you get this, but Rollins and the other vets are players who inspire the kids.

          • channelclemente

            The issue isn’t old/young or roster/non-roster so much as most of the folks here, not all, have lost faith in Bochy to discern the players. But,in the end, that’s as it perhaps should be. Many have forgotten the road the Giants traveled to get here, the road Bochy marked. Baseball can challenge ones faith, especially when folks over estimate their own insight into The Game. Now, how about we all wait and see how this drama plays out.

          • Matthew

            I mostly agree. My issues with Bochy recently are all about his yips on bullpen trust. I honestly don’t know whether to look his way, or look Evans, Sabean or even ownership group on roster issues.

            Bochy can frustrate me, but I continue to believe he is at least a top 5… with a resume to back that up

          • John Myhill

            I definitely lost faith in Bochy’s bullpen management last year but not in his ability with everyday players. The only thing this spring where I think they’re clearly going too far is with Rollins, and more generally anything which would keep Tomlinson from being on the 25-man roster and playing a lot (at the very least getting into the starting lineup somewhere any time the other team starts a lefty). I don’t know what they’re planning with Hwang but if they’re willing to pay the money to bring him over who am I to object?

          • Matthew

            He’s banned me like the soup nazi because I upset him. Apart We’re Giants

        • channelclemente
      • Anti-Lasorda

        Beckman might take the assignment, J-Roll… not a chance

  • RobDeer

    Seen multiple occurrences over the past couple days of teams being down 3 with anywhere from 20-40 seconds remaining and dribbling time off the clock before finally taking a contested 3-pointer with less than 10 seconds remaining. Just bad coaching. Get a two and foul. Then do it again if need be. It’s college. Guys are gonna miss free throws. Brutal.

  • HaakAway

    My25ManGuys™ 2017


    Pick who will be on the 25-Man roster at season’s open.
    Here are the obvious “Core 18”:

    Starters: Posey, Belt, Panik, Crawford, Nunez, Pence, Span
    Bench: Hundley, Conor

    Starting Pitchers: Bum, Cueto, Moore, Samardzija
    Bullpen: Melancon, Kontos, Smith, Law, Strickland

    Post the seven others you think will make it here in response to any HaakAway post.
To save time do not list all 25 unless you think one of these 18 will not make the 25-Man.
    24 of us took guesses already; you can still join in.
    Deadline March 25

    • Efrain

      Haak – how am I doing so far?

      • HaakAway

        Here is what I have for you …
        No Kontos and a six-man bench: Gorkys, KT, Marrero, Hwang
        Cain, Mac Suarez, Okert

        • Efrain

          Ok I need to readjust:

          Infield: Posey, Belt, Panik, Craw, Nunez

          OF: Parker, Span, Pence

          Starters: Bum, Cueto, Moore, Shark, Blach

          Pen: Melancon, Smith, Kontos, Law, Okert, Albert Suarez

          Bench: Gorkys, Marrero, Hwang, Hill, Hundley and Gillaspie

          KT starts year in AAA because he has options and Cain has some sort of “injury” and goes to Sacto for “extended St

          Somehow during the season they make room for Beede and he shares the 5th spot with Blach. Obviously this will depend on both 1) Blach’s effectiveness and 2) how itchy the Giants brass is to throw Beede out there to see what they have. Could mean Kontos is the guy to move out to make roster room.

          • HaakAway

            BUT…
            No Strickland? … you only have 11 pitchers listed here
            Bench … you have six players there. I do not think you meant to do that.

          • Efrain

            Oops, forgot Strickland yes! Ok let me get back to you!

    • channelclemente

      Hwang, Parker, Williamson and Okert.

      • HaakAway

        CC that is just four; you need to pick three more [like Cain vs. Blach; Okert vs. Osich; Hill vs. Kelby …. etc.]

    • Michael Scott

      Aren’t we supposed to be stuck with our original picks? I saw somebody getting their picks changed.

      • HaakAway

        Both are true. We are all stuck with what we picked back on Feb. 25; now we get to change our picks.

        I am keeping everyone’s guesses from Feb. 25 … that is one result
        I am now collecting everyone’s guesses from Mar. 25 … second result

        The idea is you get two chances:
        1) one with only last year’s track record to use [Feb. 25] and
        2) now one with their ST stats in and some cuts made [Mar. 25]

        • Moooooooooose

          Hopefully, our second guesses will be better than the first!

    • Anti-Lasorda

      How does Federwicz not make the club with his spring?

      • HaakAway

        He will get his pick of a couple teams still wanting veteran depth at back-up catcher.

        • Anti-Lasorda

          Screw the $2M on Hundley, why not this one?

  • paul in p.v.

    Anybody know if ‘the ball was coming out of Smarge’s hand’ real good today?

    Also, what’s the over/under on this team hitting .250?

    At least Beedie (betcha that’s what Big Hat calls him) pitched well.

    Jaysus they better get some fookin’ hitters.

    • Smarge might be in his own head right now.
      In other breaking news:
      Third baseman Moose for KC has put on some pounds. What is it with third baseman? You know Nuñez and Cook won’t have that problem.

      • paul in p.v.

        Dunno who Cook is – but Nuñez is a shark. Zero body fat.

      • Bapah

        I’m surprised people didn’t notice the incredible poundage Duffy gained at third. He’ll live longer moving to shortstop for that other team, now. Evans may have saved him from a life of obesity and heart disease.

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Their two best aren’t even in camp you moron….

      • paul in p.v.

        Way to get off on the right foot, meat. Adios.

        • Anti-Lasorda

          I would expect nothing less from a simple minded fool like you. Go find your safe place.

  • crawnik

    So sad. The man who made “The Catch” diagnosed with ALS.

    Former 49ers legend Dwight Clark announces ALS diagnosis | CSN Bay Area
    http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/former-49ers-legend-dwight-clark-announces-als-diagnosis?cid=email:CSN%20Bay%20Area%20Breaking%20News:2015+-+CSNBayArea+Breaking+News:23201

    • totalfan62

      Argh. As you said…

      • crawnik

        Scientists really need to find a cure for ALS.

        • Baldheadslikk1

          And that damn ‘CANCER’!!!

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Am buying Brit Floyd tickets, they will make a stop in Fresno. They’re coming through Nor. Cal and So. Cal as well. Quite a tour schedule as you’ll see. Saw them on PBS last night, very professional; if you love Floyd, you’ll probably really like this. It’s the 40th anniversary of the Animals album. One of the real Floyd’s best!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYySRcY9JDQ

    • Matthew

      Pretty solid for a tribute band. havent seen them live….go enjoy the heck out of it, BroCuz

      • Matthew

        But…I think it depends on your age whether Animals was one of the “best”.

        Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, The Wall, Meddle…all way better to me.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          We’ve been over this before. To each their own. They are swinging by Stockton and SF – the Warfield I believe. Wiltern in LA.

          • Matthew

            Of course we have! I guess there is no wrong answer….

        • Anti-Lasorda

          Sorry, nothing touches Dark Side for me as a complete work…… Better songs on several albums but no entire album better.

          • Matthew

            TOTALLY AGREE!!!

  • 12xu

    Is anybody else’s microwave oven staring at them too?

    • channelclemente

      That meme will follow Kellyanne to her grave.

      • Michael Scott

        Speaking of graves, did Bannon off Reince Priebus?

        • paul in p.v.

          Latest gossip is they’ve kissed and made up, to fend off the NYC G. Sachs peeps, who are ‘democrats.’

    • Bapah

      “Asked whether a microwave could be turned into not a camera, specifically, but a listening device, Stephen Frasier, a microwave imaging and radar researcher at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, let out several seconds of sustained laughter.”

      “The actual oven where you put your food is what we call a cavity. It’s basically a closed box. Even though you can see through the front door, the microwaves can’t penetrate through that,” says Frasier. “Maybe if you’re licking the door you might get a little exposure, but they’re in there to cook your food.”

  • channelclemente
  • 12xu

    Jon Heyman’s roundup of tidbits of information from all 30 MLB teams:
    https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/heyman-11-biggest-questions-remaining-spring-training/
    Something interesting in the Giants report:
    “Angel Pagan recently spoke with his old manager Bruce Bochy. Pagan has told folks he doesn’t want to sign a non-guaranteed minor-league deal off a decent age-34 season, or even a low-base MLB deal (he has received some guaranteed offers). In any case, Bochy is said to have advised him that sometimes it’s OK to swallow your pride, especially if he still wants to play, as it appears he does with his play for Puerto Rico in the WBC. Bochy is believed to have pointed out that Jimmy Rollins is in Giants camp on a non-guaranteed minors deal. He didn’t have to say it, but Rollins has had a much greater career than Pagan. The implication is obvious: If Rollins will do it, why not you?”

    • livfreerdi

      Because Rollins hasn’t been productive in 2 years?

      • Michael Scott

        Rollins is out there trying. Max effort was never Pagan’s thing.

        • Anti-Lasorda

          I know his numbers don’t justify anything else, but Bochy is going to have a real tough time calling Jimmy into his office.

          • Baldheadslikk1

            id cut Rollins now as to not waste anymore of his time here in camp!

          • 610nm

            Baggs’ article (mostly about Beede) ended up with some chat from Arroyo, who seemed to think Rollins taught him some things in camp. Nice remarks, and maybe some insight about why JR is still with the team.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            If Crawford was in camp, maybe, but he’s playing with Captain America

          • Moooooooooose

            I doubt it.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        Pagan has basically been replacement level or worse for two years. Same-same.

  • channelclemente
  • The Oracle

    It would be pretty ironic if Pagan didn’t want to play against the Cubs because he was a little bit injured and didn’t want to take even a small risk, but now can’t get a job, in part, because he refused to play against the Cubs.

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Don’t you think?

    • heh heh heh

  • steve k

    sorry if this was mentioned, but i saw that melancon has been added to team USA. no word about kershaw.

    • Anti-Lasorda

      If any of the Doyers 6 GMs let Kershaw pitch in the WBC they should be drawn and quartered by Vin Scully, Rick Monday, Ross Porter and Tommy in four different golf carts….

  • DrLefty

    Baggarly has an interesting article on Beede. Apparently the Giants think he’s ready or near-ready for the major leagues but want to manage his innings this year. He had just under 150 last year, and his ideal range for 2017 would be 165-170. So they might have him start in Sacramento, take a couple of trips to SF to pitch out of the bullpen for a week or two, and then have him available, with innings to spare, late in the season. They think he’d be effective in short relief, and they feel he might help them later in the season as a starter.

    I’ve seen other teams do this, but not the Giants. Fascinating.

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      I imagine Beede will be handled like most top pitching prospects coming out of AA. They put in their time at the AAA doorstep and are within a phone call or text or whatever from being summoned for either a cup of coffee or a prolonged stay.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        Don’t sleep on Stratton. I’ll bet you a dollar he’s on the playoff roster come October.

      • DrLefty

        The other thing is Beede’s not on the 40, so it doesn’t make sense to start his clock and call him up, wasting a year of team control, unless you’re really going to use him, not just for a few innings here and there.

    • Efrain

      I think the writing is on the wall that Beede, talent and pedigree wise, has leap frogged all the other Giants AAA starters in the team’s plans. Not surprising really.

      • DrLefty

        No. He’s their highest draft pick since 2009. You’d hope it would be a good one.

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Good plan after Cain flames out in April. And as much as I want it to be different, he’s going to go nuclear before Memorial Day; unless some weird Zito 2012 magic happens. Can Barry come in and rub Cainer’s elbow for luck?

    • Baldheadslikk1

      They wanna mk sure he’s ready meanwhile we get to watch poor old Matt Cain get beat up early in the season! sometimes the Gs seem to wait too dang long with players or is it just me !

    • paul in p.v.

      The quote I saw was from csn.

  • buyselltrade

    Here are the players that must be passed through waivers to be sent to minors (“out of options”)

    Giants

    Hunter Strickland, George Kontos, Jarrett Parker, Gorkys Hernandez, Cory Gearrin, Conor Gillaspie

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/03/out-of-options-2017.html

    • John Myhill

      This is tough. I don’t really believe in Parker but with the spring he’s having I’m not so sure. And they have backup centerfielder other than Hernandez.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        Parker’s going to get the first 100 – 150 ABs with Mac in Sac waiting for a flame out. Against a tough lefty Morse will play.

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Gearrin is the only one at risk. I think they’ll DL him for the first few weeks.

    • HaakAway

      Back on Feb. 25 …
      One of us cut Kontos
      Two of us cut Conor
      Four of us cut Gorkys
      10 of us let Parker go
      14 of us let Gearrin go

      • Matthew

        Heartless

      • Bapah

        I can hear the clatter of keyboards as TWGers rush to amend their picks.
        I’m not sure this is a public service.

        • HaakAway

          You probably want to pick a Long Reliever [no Blach or Suarez?] and then decide if Rugg still is your Fifth OF’er.

      • DrLefty

        Five days until the next deadline, and I’m not sure things are much clearer than they were on Feb. 25, with the exception of Parker probably having nailed down the LF job. But otherwise:

        –the bench? Still a lot of possibilities and combinations in play
        –the bullpen? Gearrin’s had a bad spring and hasn’t pitched in over a week; if he’s cut or on the DL, who replaces him?
        –the fifth starter?–my vote for the next round may come down to what happens this week.

        I’m probably waiting until the very end to make my picks this round.

        • HaakAway

          Somehow I did not pick Gearrin … Suarez, Osich, Cain for me; so that can work.

  • paul in p.v.

    “I’m not saying that’s what he’s going to do, but it keeps his options open and ours if we need help in the ‘pen,” Bochy said. “He’s at 94-95 (mph) and he’s a guy that holds runners well. He’s a guy with good stuff.”

    Plenty of room for Beede in the pen. No need for another starting pitcher.

    Huh?

    • DrLefty

      If you read the whole article, though, it’s about managing Beede’s innings so that he can pitch for them later in the season if needed. A couple of weeks up with the Giants, just pitching occasionally out of the bullpen, could maximize the innings he could throw over the course of the season.

      • paul in p.v.

        Yes, I know. But this kind of piece-meal thinking and crappy planning results in keeping Peavy as a relief pitcher, and Aubry Huff as a 2B.

  • Baldheadslikk1

    Dwight Clark Oh Lord please help him!!!

    • Matthew

      I was chatting with Clutch this morning, and I’m sad to say: the more we learn about the dangers of modern football, the harder it is to feel justified to defend the sport.

      • Peter Johnson

        My oldest sister died of ALS, and she never played Football, so not sure you can blame football for this .

        • Matthew

          I didn’t say only football players get ALS. I believe it increases the risk.

          I’m so sorry to hear of your sister.

          • Bapah

            Nope. See above.

          • Matthew

            We can look at “science” or we can look at how many football players recently have been inflicted. If it smells like a rat….i have a very hard time believing that the violence of football is unrelated to motor neurons ability to conduct information

          • Bapah

            That isn’t what I said. I said that ALS is not associated with the causes I listed. ALS is associated, primarily with peripheral (motor neuron) nerve involvement and CTE, TBI and concussion are associated with CNS (brain) involvement.

          • 610nm

            One of the students came down with this years ago, so I read a bit – I’m certainly no expert, but there is swelling in the spinal column that prevents proper brain to body part communication. A lot of the treatments (there is no cure) have to do with reducing that pressure. The oddest thing I learned about that disease is that it didn’t exist on the Faeroe Islands until after WW2, a time period when the occupation by soldiers led to the introduction of pet dogs.
            The hits in football certainly can’t help spinal columns any more than they do the old noggin.

          • Bapah

            Alzheimer’s disease (AD) and Parkinson’s disease (PD) are two prominent maladies associated with CTE and TBI. ALS is not. ALS is a motor neuron (efferent nerve) disease, not a somato-sensory (or afferent nerve) neuron disease. Motor neurons carry outgoing impulses, afferent nerves carry incoming signals. Motor neurons can be in the brain to carry signals from the Motor Cortex (CNS) to the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and to the muscles in the core and extremities. ALS is associated with Motor Neurons.

            My guess is that spinal cord trauma has little to do with the pre-existing propensity for ALS.

          • 610nm

            Matthew, if you pass by here again, Bapah put this better than I did. ALS doesn’t seem to be associated with trauma, but surely the hard contact in football causes other problems. I saw a headline (w/o reading the article) about concerns in rugby, which doesn’t currently involve helmets, regarding brain injuries.

          • Bapah

            There are a plethora of maladies caused or seriously linked to brain trauma and “hard contact” (some I listed above. there are more), but not all. There are de-myelinating diseases such as Guillain-Barre and most prominent, MS. And then there are diseases like ALS.

            ALS is a neuro-degenerative disease, PD is a neuro-degenerative disease, Huntington’s and Alzheimer’s are neuro-degenerative diseases. Beyond that, they’re caused my different things.

          • Matthew

            But, Bapah, I also see stories that claim “football players are 4 times as likely to contract ALS”…and I see lists of football players who have it. It seems way to common to NOT have link.

            Being a total non-scientist, it just seems logical to this limited brain that the violent contact of football MUST have some effect that somehow leads so many of these players to end up with this disease.

          • Bapah

            You can’t jump to those conclusions, Matt. Just look at Orange’s post, above, and the genetic link of a canine gene to that of human ALS. I wish “Deep Science” was as accessible to everyone as popular literature makes it appear. It isn’t.

            Besides, comments like “football players are 4 times as likely to contract ALS” isn’t even good statistics, let alone good science.

          • Bapah

            Matty, one more thing to remember.

            P.S. There is NO SUCH THING as muscle memory !!

          • Matthew

            My brain is a dumb ol’ muscle, and has limited memory!

          • Bapah

            Someday, when we have nothing important to discuss here, I’ll talk about the work we did mapping the motor cortex and the somatosensory cortex of the brain, the two portions of the brain most involved with learned motor skills. As an ex-athlete and coach, it may have had more impact on learning and teaching and just understanding how we all work than anything I’ve EVER done.

          • Bapah

            …and we did it neuron by neuron.

          • Bapah

            I forgot. The dog part is fascinating. I wonder how it might connect.

          • 610nm

            What I can remember from reading a book about 20 years ago is that ALS is more common at higher latitudes than lower, which is also quite curious, and now occurs in the Faroes at the expected rate. Seems to be something we may be exposed to as children, but there doesn’t seem to be any known agent (bacteria, virus, prion, etc). At the time I read this book, treatment focused on drugs that eased symptoms. I hope they know more now than then.

          • Bapah

            Not a hell of a lot.

          • 610nm

            http://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2009/0121-Coates-ALS.php
            That’s different than saying it is communicable between the two species, of course.

          • Bapah

            Wow, I didn’t know about the connection of ALS and DM. The genetics approach may offer some hope, but the connection is scary.

        • Bapah

          There is no evidence associating football, CTE, concussions, or TBI, with ALS. Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis is a neuro-degenerative disease that affects motor neurons and their ability to conduct information (action potentials) along their length.

      • Baldheadslikk1

        Matthew this brings a tear to my eyes , life is so fragile and short hell were all gonna go someday but if football was the cause of this it just pains me to no end! Brutal sport to say the least the human body or better yet the brain is not meant for contact and punishment in such a fashion. My heart goes out to this wonderful man,

      • Anti-Lasorda

        Or watch it really…..
        Now the Alzheimer Bowl brought to you by CTE.

      • Bapah

        Amen.
        I gave up believing in the safety of football several years ago. I have three boys, all athletically inclined, and they were all “disenthused” from participating in any way in football. They are all, now, healthy, functional adults. [I’m not ruling out their observation of one parent’s physical and emotional sequelae of having played football in high school and college] None seem to have any regrets, whatsoever.

  • Anti-Lasorda

    Anybody else think Arroyo will be the starting 3B by the 4th of July?

    • Matthew

      I don’t think he will leapfrog both Nunez (my Sleeper pick for Captain Surprise) and Gillaspie to take on the job. I still think he’s a 2018 or 2019 guy

      • HaakAway

        Yes, and I think he sees lots of SS time at Sac. While Kelby, Nunez and even Panik can play there, if BCraw goes down with an injury there will be a hole to fill.

        • Anti-Lasorda

          Nunez moves over if BC#35 goes down. Stonehands plays daily. If Hill is around (unlikely) he would play 3B

      • Anti-Lasorda

        I don’t think Bochy is enamored with Gillespie fielding the hot corner for 9 innings a game. And you’re a year late on the Captain Surprise for Nunez….. not even the Twins saw that first half coming,

    • Peter Johnson

      Nope, Larry Krueger JR, impressed by small sample size .he was hitting .235 this spring before the HR, and he only hit .274 last year in AA.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        Want to bet the kid hits over .300 in Sac?

        • Peter Johnson

          Lots of players have and never been called up.

          • HaakAway

            Good answer PJ.
            It is a hitters league and Anti-L would win that bet.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            I’ll raise your bet to .315

          • Anti-Lasorda

            From Fresno, sure, but the A’s did a better job calling kids up from Sac.

    • Not I

  • HaakAway

    WBC
    Van den Hurk starting for the Netherlands is the type of story I like for this. He is a AAAAGuy™ that had five short seasons in the MLB ending in 2012. So now he can still compete at a high level for the pride of his country and love of The Game. I like that story line and I think it makes for greater baseball theater than an MLB all-star being careful not to get hurt.

  • crawnik

    Today’s lineup vs. the Pale Hose:

    #sfgiants at WSox: Núñez 3B, Tomlinson 2B, Belt 1B, Morse DH, Hill LF, Ruggiano RF, Beckham SS, Federowicz C, Gorkys CF. Cueto P.

  • earlytimes