Spring Training Preview: Giants Host Padres

by
Greek Giant

With the news that Will Smith is having elbow problems bringing a nauseating feeling to my night out at a Cardinals-Astros Spring Training game, I am here to report that all is not lost for the Giants in 2017. The team has other options and they just may turn out fine, assuming the Fresh Prince is out for an extended period of time.

Today the Giants take on the San Diego Tony Gwynns at 1:05 Pacific Time.

Last night Surf Maui enjoyed our front row seats chatting with Cardinals and Mets fans, indulging in ballpark food and witnessing an exciting inside the park homer in the process.

I never knew Surf Maui could be so lethal in his banter:

Usher (to fan sitting next to us): Sir, your party was here earlier but they left without notice
Man: That’s funny. I’m used to women leaving me.
Surf Maui: Well maybe if you took a shower once in a while…

Jose Altuve was impressive, as was Jose Hernandez of the Cardinals. The Ballpark of the Palm Beaches was pleasant enough, despite its architectural conservatism that verged on the banal, just like its name.

Barry Bonds was just hired as some official representative in some front office role for the Giants. Whatever the position, it is great to have Barry back home.

  • Surf Maui

    Michael Morse injury may (unfortunately) make roster decision easier. Hopefully they can sign him to a minor league deal to allow him to heal, avoid taking a spot on the 40 man roster and give him some reps in left field in Sacramento when his hamstring improves. I want his bat off the bench, unless Barry Bonds decides to make a comeback on the field now that he is back on the Giants payroll. BTW it’s time to oficially retire his number.

    • valleyfloorryan

      Things are suddenly opening up for Justin Ruggiano or Hwang or Hill.

      and isn’t Morse already on a minor league deal?

      • Surf Maui

        Yes he is, but the injury means they dont (unfortunately in my opinion) have to make a roster move to begin the season and he can rehab and get some left field time in the minors, since it is unlikely that anyone would sign him while injiured– though you never know

  • Surf Maui

    Shower wouldnt have helped that guy

  • Cueball

    Henry Schulman‏ @hankschulman 27 seconds ago

    Also just confirmed what others have said. Morse hurt his hamstring badly enough yesterday that he has no shot to make team. #SFGiants

    • totalfan62

      Did Mac get hurt as well? Lefty’s post on previous thread said “bad news for Mac”. ??

      • Cueball

        I think he had a quad tightening issue. Nothing major or season ending.

      • DrLefty

        Not serious, but probably enough to end the competition between him and Parker for the starting LF job. Bad timing.

    • DrLefty

      Very sad.

      • 610nm

        But just possibly a silver lining? Instead of not making the opening day roster, and retiring, maybe an injury will open something up for him 6 weeks from now. Not that I want an injury, mind you, but this could put off a tough decision (for both sides) just long enough.

        • DrLefty

          It could happen. Depends if he’s willing to spend time in AZ rehabbing and then time in Sac getting back up to speed rather than going home. We shall see.

  • RobDeer

    Haak, you can go ahead and rip up my roster picks from yesterday.

    • Bapah

      Premature rosterbation?

      • valleyfloorryan

        Pav’s tweeted this:

        ‘Morse (hamstring) said to be out “a while.” Brutal break for him, he was on track to be on opening day roster.’

        “break” is misleading. Would it be appropriate to say brutal tweak, pull, or tear?

      • RobDeer

        Yeah. Is there a pill for that?

        • Matthew

          Sandpaper gloves

          • valleyfloorryan

            This reminds of a poor attempt at humor I thought to convey to you recently, but refrained.

            The moment feels right:

            Last week, I got a haircut. I had my barber dig up the latest SI, swimsuit/nipple shot issue. I perused through those glossy pages while Angel did his work. Angel likes to have Hannity on the radio in the middle of the day…

            …boner killer.

          • RobDeer

            At least little ones die quickly.

          • Matthew

            Who is to blame? The magazine or the Screaming Banshee?

          • Bapah

            Before you and Ryan made up, you were a lot funnier.

          • Matthew

            Be quiet, Franken

          • Bapah

            Al or Stein?

          • Matthew

            Al IS Stein

    • Bapah

      Since you didn’t say that in a reply to his comment, he’ll miss it and you’ll be stuck with your own Nostradamusoid picks.

    • HaakAway

      I am waiting for your NEW roster picks.
      This could be happening day-to-day all week for all of us.

      • Bapah

        Letting him off the hook? You make the rest of us reply to you. What? RD is teacher’s pet?

        • RobDeer

          Shhhhh… I’m trying to polish this apple.

          • Bapah

            I know what you’re really trying to polish.

          • RobDeer

            Thx for not letting me down.

          • Bapah

            Thing is… it CAN be done; I saw them do it on Mythbusters.

          • RobDeer

            I’m NOT going to look for this on YouTube. I’m NOT going to look for this on YouTube. I’m NOT going to look for this on YouTube.

          • Bapah
          • RobDeer

            I hate you.

          • RobDeer

            Arrrrggghhhhh!!! I’ll never get that 4 minutes and 38 secs back.

          • DrLefty

            I’m sitting at a gate at the airport waiting for my delayed flight to board, and you two are keeping me entertained.

          • Bapah

            We’re just distracting you while TSA goes through your purse.

          • Hopefully NO PAT DOWNS

          • Old Man

            One the one occasion I was selected for a patdown, I told the officers, “can you hurry it up? I’m old, on a diuretic and I REALLY gotta pee. My underwear pad won’t hold all the pee I gotta get rid of.” They said they’d hurry. They did. I didn’t really have to pee, but I WAS wearing the pad. Hey I’m old, I take a diuretic and I’m old. Live with it. I certainly have to.

          • RobDeer

            That’s always the goal.

          • Their attempt was bogus – It still cannot be polished

          • Bapah

            Truth denier.

        • HaakAway

          Thanks for being my Enforcer because you are right except I took a look at my lunch break.
          Smith pick must change (95% of us)
          Morse pick must change (four of us)

          • Bapah

            I hope you’re giving us a countdown to submission. I plan to take every allowable second for my picks. I have Pick’s after all.

          • totalfan62

            Haak, my 3/25 roster: I’ll go with the seven regulars (no LF) and four starters, plus Hundley and Gillaspie on the bench, as you set it up.

            5th starter: Blach
            LF: Parker

            Bullpen: Melancon, Strickland, Law, Kontos, Gearrin, Osich, Okert.

            Last three bench spots: Hill, Tomlinson, Ruggiano.

            DL: Cain, Smith

            Go to Sacto and rake, we’ll see you soon: Hwang and Arroyo.

          • HaakAway

            Okay … got you down; changes are okay until March 25 is over. I just saw that Mac’s injury is “several weeks”. Changes.

  • DrLefty

    Attababe, Bum.

  • Bapah

    I can’t be sure that I haven’t posted this item before, but I find this product both the most clever and the most ridiculously nerdy product line I’ve ever come across.

    #InstantNerdWear

    https://www.scottevest.com/index_first_visit.shtml

    • RobDeer

      Is it still nerdy if you use all those pockets for weapons? I’m thinking nunchucks and ninja stars.

  • Sgbssfg

    Off topic here.

    For those of you who had children around the house in the 90’s, you probably watched Beauty and the Beast a few dozen times. The latest movie version is worth the overpriced ticket.

    • The Oracle

      My daughter loved the animated version, but thinks the new one is even better.

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      I watched a Disney Jr. version the other day because my niece was a pepper shaker. It was so painful and then the songs were in my head for a few days. I will not be taking my kids to that movie, they will have to find some other sucker.

    • Lunch_Box

      Cool. A lot of reviewers (mainly millenials and adults my age who were young to remember when the animated film came out) keep comparing it to the animated, despite contradicting themselves.

      When I go into a remake of a movie, I try to keep an open mind and expect there will be differences to the original.

  • Cueball

    Hundley…boom…gone!

    • FedEx No More

      • Bapah

        Released or re-assigned?

        • Most likely he will be given his choice

        • Fed Ex is listed at Height 5′ 10″, Weight 215 lbs

          LOL @ 215 – more like 275

  • paul in p.v.

    Ok, Blach in for Bum after only 2 innings.

    Should I be worried???

  • Cueball

    8 pitches for Blach to get through inning. Nice.

  • paul in p.v.

    Is this guy (Rizzo) in the Giants’ org?

    • Bapah

      SJ, voice of

    • Andres The Forever Giant

      I much prefer Joe to Doug Greenwald! Will he call the internet ST games from now on?

  • Commish Manfred…White Courtesy Telephone please….

    You dumped the 4 pitch walk to save time @ LOL and now the ….World Baseball Classic sets a new Replay Review record for most video reviews over a two-inning span in just its first game of having full replay at its disposal, while tying an expanded Replay Review record for most reviews in a single contest.

    http://www.closecallsports.com/2017/03/wbc-sets-new-review-record-in-1st-game.html

  • Vogey is not a Twinkie – granted his release

  • High School Football Coach Suspended After He Allegedly Put His D**k In A Hot Dog Bun And Showed Players

    Where are the Myth Busters now?

    *Matthew and the Chef will have some quips about this one. https://tinyurl.com/Dicky-in-a-Bun

    • Matthew

      I got nuthin

      • you mean like George on Seinfeld?

  • paul in p.v.

    Rollins just slipped below .5 Mendozas.

    • 610nm

      Span has his average higher than Pence. Maybe I shouldn’t have thrown Span under the tractor in my 25man entry?

    • Lunch_Box

      Damn….sometimes you gotta know when to call it a career.

      It was still a nice story of hometown guy returning to play.

      • paul in p.v.

        I really wanted him to join los Gigantes 2 years ago – but he went to the DOGERS! Now he’s 38 and obviously OTH. Time to hang ’em up, Jimmy.

  • totalfan62

    A bit of good news to share. I heard back from The Sincere. All is well, he’s been taking a break from the blog to work on a few things, but will rejoin us shortly after the season begins. Good news for sure!

    • RobDeer

      We are family… I got all my Sinceres and me.

    • valleyfloorryan

      Thanks TF. That guy can shred and has quite a closet full of axes and pedals and stuff.

      All this machinery making modern music…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tq-UsaRchI

    • Matthew

      Atta babe. Practicing his 1-4-5 and pentatonics…wait…he’s a aolean, myxilodian guy

      • valleyfloorryan

        But are you practicing your modes?

        Or digging into your tones?

        • Matthew

          True story…since my ladder fall (November), I’m only good for about 10 minutes a day on the Strat…neck issues ( age issues)… been put thru Insurance Hell…awaiting next set of MRI’s next month. So, I’m just holding on my minor pentatonics to backing tracks for now. Ughh

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            That sounds brutal. I’m sorry to hear that.

    • Andres The Forever Giant

      Yay, my buddy to dish old-school Astros with! 🙂

    • just peachy.

      Yeah I was glad to hear from him a couple days ago and let him know he is missed. 🙂

  • channelclemente
  • Cueball

    Hundley…BOOM…3 RUN SHOT! 4-2 Giants.

    • valleyfloorryan

      Roster locking hitting from him, right?

      At least Brown can get that everyday playing time to more fully develop his game.

      • Cueball

        Meanwhile, Rollins can’t buy a hit.

        • Matthew

          Pay Crawford for one

        • valleyfloorryan

          Seems Hundley the only one hitting in the box score. As a somewhat wise guy on this blog has said:

          suede goats

    • channelclemente

      A career of solid mediocrity, with the bat, and behind the plate. Hard to believe he can sustain this.

      • 22’sSweetSwing

        as long has his peripherals are going the right direction it is a good bet he will atleast perform to his projections http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2015/03/baseball-statistics

        • channelclemente

          I hope he exceeds projections, at least a little bit.

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            Did you already dissect that piece?

          • channelclemente

            Sorry but it won’t display on my browser for some reason. I think it’s telling me I don’t have a subscription.

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            hmmm.. works fine on Chrome for me. Bummer. Google spring training and economist

          • channelclemente

            Still flips me off when I google. But the search did turn up this one on the utility of ST. Turns out a few folks think to helps clarify pre season projections.

            https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/spring-training-matters/

          • 22’sSweetSwing
          • channelclemente

            OK. I agree. ST can be extremely useful. That “538” piece calculates as much as an 11 point TEAM OPS increase during the season can be revealed with a good ST. That’s, give or take, about 2 games to the win column.

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            that is very similar to the economist article.

          • channelclemente

            I agree…. now that I read the sabr piece, if it maps on to the Economist article. I was interested to hear Jamie Moyer say, he thought ST could be longer on that Rangers/Giants broadcast last week.

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            Moyer said that? Huh. That i so contrary. There must be some context were missing to better explain that opinion.

          • channelclemente

            His experience was another week or two would have improved his year when win/loss records make a difference. He did say ‘he was an outlier’.

      • RobDeer

        Don’t backup catchers, by definition, have mediocre career numbers?

        • channelclemente

          No, not for a whole career. Maybe at the end. This isn’t a vote of confidence in Trevor Brown for sure. Letting Hundley kick you to the curb isn’t a resume item.

          • RobDeer

            I’m pretty happy we have him as our backup this year.

          • channelclemente

            Let’s hope your right.

          • giantc

            He is solid for a back-up catcher — I would argue most back-up catchers are below average and Hundley seems to be average.

          • channelclemente

            OK.

        • paul in p.v.

          Two words: fungible. Fungo. Something.

      • Peter Johnson

        He always killed the Giants , a few years ago of his career HRs a 3rd were vs the Giants, he had a very good year with the Rockies in 2015, was injured most of 2016, you just do not like him , because he actually pulls the ball .

        • DrLefty

          I was very happy they signed him. Glad they got Fed-Ex, too. Depth is good.

        • channelclemente

          Look at his career numbers, he’s Joe average. BTW, if he’s on the roster, he won’t be playing the Giants, there you go, even more downward pressure on his numbers.

          • RobDeer

            So… in other words, you don’t like him because he actually pulls the ball.

          • channelclemente

            No, I neither like or dislike him. He’s a zero WAR stand in, his job I suppose…show up. I didn’t look at his spray diagram, so, to tell the truth, I didn’t realize he was a pull hitter. After looking at how many years he’s had a sub 100 RC+, maybe that explains it.

          • RobDeer

            Sorry. I was playing Peter’s Advocate. I’ll stop.

          • channelclemente

            LOL. Sort of the Peter Principle in action.

          • RobDeer

            It’s hard to not throw gasoline on his fire.

        • steve k

          i can never be sure where you stand on the topic of pulling the ball..

          • RobDeer

            High school track stars are always tough to decipher.

          • Peter Johnson

            Right handers hitting balls to Right Center Field ,does not play well at AT&T Park .

          • giantc

            You guys all give PJ a hard time, but he is correct that RH pull hitters like Kent, Alou, Burks and others have had success at AT&T.

          • DrLefty

            He IS correct. LF pull hitters have the easiest time hitting balls out at AT & T. I can say PJ is right even though he wants me to be exported to Russia.

          • Bapah

            When was THAT vote? The exported part.

          • channelclemente

            I don’t think anyone wants a guy to not hit because he uses LF. It’s that contact and all fields hitting yields I higher OPS, by considerable.

    • DrLefty

      Just landed in Seattle and saw that. LOL, Buster Who?

      • Lunch_Box

        Pete J? Is that you?

      • Matthew

        Olney

  • Cueball

    Marrero hits a big boy blast. 5-3 Giants.

    • RobDeer

      He’s certainly making a case.

      • channelclemente

        Depends on what pitch he hit, and who he hit it off of, don’t you think.

        • RobDeer

          And whether he pulled it!!

          • channelclemente

            His teeth? How did you like my TO routine this afternoon?

          • RobDeer

            I missed that. Should I be thankful?

          • channelclemente

            LOL. It seems I failed.

          • RobDeer

            Grrrrr… Now i feel like i have to scroll down and check it out.

          • Peter Johnson

            He did, box score says HR to Left Field .

          • RobDeer

            Whew!!!

      • Peter Johnson

        With Morse hurt , he is the favorite

        • RobDeer

          I’d say Hwang is ahead of him. But I’d rather have seen Marrero in left yesterday over Hill.

          • Peter Johnson

            He has more Outfield experience, and has hit with more power, Baggs just tweeted the Giants want a right handed masher .

      • Michael Scott

        I think that I heard that Hwang can opt out if doesn’t make the team. If that’s true, he would be ahead of Marrero.

    • giantc

      He was one of my original 25 — I based it off one AB.

      • Michael Scott

        Wow.

        • giantc

          I’m an amazing scout! I knew he was a stud after reading about a walk-off homer in his first Spring game. Imagine how much the Giants could save if they let me make roster decisions from my computer.

          • channelclemente

            You legend, you! 😉

          • Michael Scott

            I’d pay them. Do they take postdated checks?

    • Lunch_Box

      I’m afraid Marrero is going to be another guy who can hit minor league pitching but can’t make it as an MLB hitter. He’s bounced around from team to team in his baseball career, but good luck to the guy. Here’s to proving me wrong.

      • Andres The Forever Giant

        I’m hoping Marrero is Morse with some upside, since he’s 28 as opposed to 35. But as you say he hasn’t proven himself at the MLB level, striving to shed the AAAA label!

      • Peter Johnson

        How do you know, how many MLB at bats does he have, you need the opportunity to face MLB pitching before you can hit it !!!

        • Lunch_Box

          I don’t know and that’s my point.

  • channelclemente
  • Michael Scott

    * If you want an answer, ask Heloise, ask me, you can even ask Jimmy the Cat, but don’t ask Neil Gorsuch. Not if you want an answer.
    *Ty didn’t hurt himself. These days, that’s a win.
    * Hundley is one of the reasons that I hope that we only keep 4 outfielders. Buster could play 1st more often and Belt plays LF.

    • RobDeer

      I’m not opposed to this, I just don’t see them sticking Belt in left.

      • Michael Scott

        Well, I don’t want Belt sitting when Buster plays first. And what I want is the important thing.

        • 22’sSweetSwing

          That is the Chef we know and love-LOL

          • Michael Scott

            And I love my supporting cast.

        • valleyfloorryan

          Do you want Kelby playing any OF?

          • Michael Scott

            Emergency only. He might end up as the only reserve who can play the middle infield spots.

    • Matthew

      *”It’s not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. It’s a matter of it being the law”.

      Sounds like an answer. Sounds like what a judge is supposed to say. It’s not what politicians would want a judge to say.

      I get you are the pinned-to-your-side ideologue. I get that you have a right to opinions. I get that people feel for you and give you rope for your many-times-a-day pinned-to-your-side opinions on a baseball blog, one which the host has asked nicely for us to avoid politics.

      But your continued misrepresentations are tiring bullshit. I don’t agree with Bapah or CC or Lefty, but they show respect and continue to act adult. We can discuss. You can’t

      Have a nice night…and listen to the Honorable Judge Gorsuch. You could learn a bit about adult communication skills.

      • DrLefty

        FWIW, I thought Judge Gorsuch was fine. I have larger issues about that appointment being stolen from President Obama, and I also have issues about whether an administration under criminal investigation by the FBI ought to have a Supreme Court appointment acted on at all. But that’s separate from Gorsuch himself.

        He’s obviously qualified and worthy–as was Merrick Garland, a guy the GOP would have been happy to support if they’d played things honorably. I actually would have more respect for Gorsuch if he said he wouldn’t consider a nomination until there was an up-or-down vote on Garland. Vote him down if you must, but Garland deserved better treatment than he got.

        • Matthew

          Which is a fine and defensible opinion…it was politics then ( and Garland deserved the chance) and politics now. This isn’t Gorsuch’s fault or problem.

          • channelclemente

            I see nothing yet that disqualifies Gorsuch, unless his mother counts in the evaluation. Garland is water under the bridge, sunk cost, no matter how shabbily he was treated. Let’s see what happens with Gorsuch before you claim a=b.

          • DrLefty

            Agreed–and whatever side was on either end of it would have screamed blue murder, and rightfully so.

          • Moooooooooose

            He shouldn’t be confirmed in the last year of the current Presidency.

          • Matthew

            Well played, sir.

    • The Oracle

      Judges are not supposed to comment on how they would expect to rule in cases that might come before them.

      • Michael Scott

        That was not the issue, He evaded almost all the tough questions about his past rulings and those of previous rulings by the court. . Did you hear any of the questions? Obviously not.He was all warm and fuzzy and puppy dogs,no substance

  • Michael Scott

    When we’re talking about who’s in and who’s out, it should be added “as of now”. This is still a very fluid situation. I’ll have to cite Heidi again- ” one day you’re in, the next day you’re out”

    • valleyfloorryan

      Make it work?

  • channelclemente

    Peter Green from Mayal’s band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5QUtdB2Kd8

    • GSDUbs

      Fleetwood Mac

      • channelclemente

        The Great Gatsby.

  • DrLefty

    Arrived at the Sheraton Seattle. It’s the conference hotel, across from the Convention Center, but I’m now a SPG Gold member, having status-matched from Marriott after the merger last fall.

    Arrived to discover: 1) I got the “fast” check-in line 2) free wifi 3) checkout on Saturday extended to 4 p.m., 4) free drink at the bar 5) Upgraded king room with club lounge access!–free appetizers, breakfast, etc.! I’m now happily ensconced in the lounge, drinking an Oregon pinot noir* and eating munchies, and watching MLB Network, waiting for the game to start. (Oh, yeah, the opening plenary for the conference is right now, but you know–I started going to this conference as a grad student in 1988. I don’t do plenaries anymore.)

    *from my previous trips to Seattle, I remember that you never, ever, ever see a California wine on a wine list here. Oregon, yes. California, never.

    Anyway, all those goodies are billed at the conference rate, and I’m very happy with being a new SPG Gold member!

    • channelclemente

      Check for cameras and microphones.

  • HaakAway

    My25ManGuys™ 2017

    Pick who will be on the 25-Man roster at season’s open.
    Here are the obvious “Core 17”:
 … Updated now that Will Smith is out
    Starters: Posey, Belt, Panik, Crawford, Nunez, Pence, Span
    Bench: Hundley, Conor

    Starting Pitchers: Bum, Cueto, Moore, Samardzija
    Bullpen: Melancon, Kontos, Law, Strickland

    Post the eight others you think will make it here in response to any HaakAway post.

    No need to list all 25 unless you think one of these 17 will not make the 25-Man.

    March 25 is the deadline for your final picks

    *Questions? Write me at: My SF Giant Guy at g Mel d Ott com

    • earlytimes

      Just for kicks, I’ll go with
      Parker Marerro
      Hwang KT
      Cain Blach Okert Osich

      • HaakAway

        Welcome aboard. I like it.

  • I’m resigning to the realization Matt Cain is most likely going to get the #5 spot in spite of my anxiety over that concern. Wait. He is going to be the #5. My only hope is he doesn’t dig such an early hole so as to avoid any let down and low energy that would result in a sure thing loss.

    • channelclemente

      Whats a number 5, guy with a 5+ ERA and a FIP of 6. So far, that’s Cain (or his upside)

    • Michael Scott

      Buck up. Worst case,the season is lost by May. Best case, it’s over by May.

    • The Oracle

      Also, in spite of ability.

  • just peachy.

    In Duffman news, he still hasn’t played. Apparently can’t even run yet. Tampa Bay cursed him.

  • Atta babe Buster!

  • steve k

    buster pointed out that he was off the bag. he misses nothing.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    this is good stuff, this baseball.

  • DrLefty

    The Team USA uniform pants look like pajamas. They make every player look schlumpy and dumpy.

    • Sgbssfg

      It’s the grungy sweat pant gray that brings the frump.

      • DrLefty

        Visible panty lines, too. Ughhhh

        • Sgbssfg

          That is some high def screen you are watching.

        • Matthew

          The multiple application of “VPL”!

          • DrLefty

            Name that iconic movie!

          • Bapah

            Hey, I heard somebody said I liked you. What’s that all about?

          • Bapah

            Nevermind. Typically, I got that wrong, too.

    • The Oracle

      If I were playing, I’d go retro and wear my uniform tight, like they used to, and with the high stirrups. But I’ve never been on the cutting edge of fashion.

  • DrLefty

    And where the heck is Paul Goldschmidt?

    • DrLefty

      Goldschmidt career WAR: 26.3
      Hosmer career WAR: 5.4

      2016 (a down year for Goldie):
      Goldie: 4.8
      Hosmer: 1.0

      • paul in p.v.

        Hosebag.

        Plus – he’s too smug. (Remember the “Dynasty” crap?)

      • Efrain

        I’d rather have Hosmer than Belt, better run producer

  • The Oracle

    It would be a great story if he succeeds, and I’d love to see it, but everything Marrero has done up until this point suggests he’s not going to be able to be successful big league hitter.

    • DrLefty

      If you compare Marrero’s 2016 AAA stats to those of Parker and Williamson, he has just as good of a case. His power numbers are very similar to Parker’s in 2015, but Marrero strikes out about half as much.

      None of them really have a big enough sample size in the majors to predict how they’ll do, and they might all three be AAAA guys, when it comes down to it. I’m just saying it’s as logical to believe in Marrero as it is to believe in Parker or Williamson. It’s just that the latter two are homegrown and we’re more used to talking about them.

      • The Oracle

        I agree with that. If the Giants could find even one real player out of those three, they will have done well.

        • DrLefty

          They better find at least one, or they’re ewed-scray.

      • Moooooooooose

        Ususally that works in the favor of the guy we don’t know as much about.

      • Michael Scott

        I think that I had read that Hwang can opt out if he doesn’t make the team. Do you know if that is true? If it is, he has to stay up or he’s gone. BTW, Marrero has over 100 Major League ABs without a HR.He last played in the bigs in 2013 but that’s still not a good sign. And he’s had only over 20 HRs 2 times in the minors, last year and in 2007. Looks to be a career minor league player, IMO.

        • DrLefty

          Yes. He has several opt-outs in his contract if he doesn’t make the team. Here’s one article about it from the beginning of camp.

          http://bigstory.ap.org/article/379718a867844e97ab2b090f8e63f3e7/hwang-hopes-impress-giants-crack-major-league-roster

          He said at the time he’d consider going to AAA, but he doesn’t have to, and he might feel he’s had a good enough spring to shop his talents elsewhere.

          • Michael Scott

            Even if he tanks the rest of the way, he has shown enough that he’d look elsewhere if he goes down. Again that’s IMO.

          • DrLefty

            I think so, too, and IMO, they shouldn’t risk losing him. He seems like he could give them a spark, and they sure seem like they may need one. They scored five runs today, all driven in by guys who will be on the bench and/or maybe not on the team. Yesterday, same thing–game-winning HR by Ryder Jones, up from minor league camp. The Giants’ regular line-up looks lackluster, and that’s being polite.

          • paul in p.v.

            They REALLY need a spark. This team may tank without one.

      • paul in p.v.

        Duvall was AAAA. Total bust.

  • Matthew

    Atta cutch….

  • 12xu

    Posey just missed that one (on the popup 3rd out).

  • DrLefty

    THERE’s GOLDY!

  • DrLefty

    Ughhhh, I don’t like seeing the guys playing in the rain, with the dirt sanded down and slippery…

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    nice mlb audition for the starter from Japan, whenever he’s eligible to come over, and if he wants to.

  • DrLefty

    Great job packing the house, Dodger fans. Not. SMH

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      Strange. Wonder how much tickets cost?

      • DrLefty

        Well, it IS raining. They’re not used to that.

        • Matthew

          Yup…they all went into their underground bunkers with freeze dried foods

      • Bapah

        Petco wasn’t very good either on the first night.

  • Bapah

    All around good baseball.

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      2 Japan misplays, two runs. And a home run for them.

      • Bapah

        Wow, how could I have been so wrong? You’re right, this is a shitty game.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          Not a matter of being wrong. Pressure on those plays. Japan is so dependent on execution.

  • Bapah

    One out and tied, I might have sent him

  • DrLefty

    Crawford looks fat and slow. But maybe it’s just the pants.

    • Bapah

      He didn’t look slow in the replays, but he does look a little tubby. Maybe the pants.

      • paul in p.v.

        Never a good thing, for someone approaching 30.

        Even worse, approaching 67. More difficult to shed.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          As long as he can hit, field, and throw, it’s all good.

        • totalfan62

          True that….

          • Bapah

            Whippersnappers

    • Matthew

      He’s running in mud….

    • Jacob Singer

      The rain adds 10 lbs.

  • Bapah

    Our closer is gettin’ ready.

  • Jacob Singer

    Seems like the K zone is a little bit inside this WBC.

    • Bapah

      They showed that inside pitch from the top and it ticked the inside corner. Aoki always try to camp on the plate.

  • The Oracle

    Was that a pitch count thing, or a diss of Melancon?

    • Kramerica

      I sure hope it was a pitch count thing for a RP with a brand new team who just signed a record contact. Otherwise it’s a pretty big slap in the face.

      • livfreerdi

        Maybe don’t walk the winning run? Although it seemed almost intentional

      • paul in p.v.

        Kra – I say, ‘who is care’? This game means nothing.

        • Kramerica

          I agree, I’d prefer he threw few pitches. Just surprised he got yanked for Pat Neshek. I have a hunch that won’t happen when he’s wearing the orange and black (not the Dutch variety).

    • Andres The Forever Giant

      Leyland claimed in an interview after the game that he felt Melancon “didn’t have it,” thus the quick hook.

  • Kramerica

    Neshek? They don’t have someone better to go to in this spot against a power LH?

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      Don’t laugh, Gregerson.

      • Michael Scott

        All in all, that’s a terrible staff.

  • Kramerica

    Vasgersian got completely fooled. It wasn’t close.

    • Jacob Singer

      He fooled me before the camera called him out.

      • steve k

        he’s awful..

      • Kramerica

        He got me too but you need to look at the outfielder. McCutchen didn’t have to move.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          and the swing and where the ball met barrel – didn’t look like anything close. his reaction was pretty special.

      • Andres The Forever Giant

        Because of MV, I first thought “oh no, he just got Morsed again,” but the heavy wetness knocked it down!

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      it’s kind of his M.O., right?

      • Kramerica

        I know most people don’t like him but I don’t mind him. He knows his stuff, and while obnoxious at times, can be funny with a dry sense of humor occasionally. But he does get fooled on fly balls more often than he should.

        • totalfan62

          Another Vasgersian standard that he way overuses: “on both sides of the scorecard”.

    • Matthew

      Vasgersian is confused on most pitches.

      Santa Maria

      • Kramerica

        lol I almost forgot about the “Santa Maria!” calls. He was the Padres play by play guy for a period while I was living in SD. I heard that phrase more than I cared to.

        • 12xu

          How did he use the phrase?

          • Kramerica

            He most often used it when somebody hit a big HR late in a game, especially a walk off. I remember he used it for a couple of different Ramon Hernandez (former Pads catcher) HRs, one of them was a GS.

          • 12xu

            That sounds bush-league. Thanks.

          • 12xu
          • totalfan62

            2014 NLDS, Game 4 vs. Washington. Pence slams into the RF fence to catch a shot off Jayson Werth. I think Matt V. pulled a groin muscle with that “Santa Maria!!”

  • paul in p.v.

    Brisbee, re Will Smith:

    http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/3/21/15006994/will-smith-giants-mri-gulp

    I know the Gints coughed up a lot for him. And he was supposed to be Affeldt 2.0. But all that was conjecture, and he did nothing last season to prove out that theory.

    Affeldts don’t grow on trees. Los Gigantes should adjust to this injury and move on. Perhaps they have RH relievers who can get outs against LH hitters? Zounds.

    • John Myhill

      Smith was absolutely awesome the last 6 weeks of the season. He gave up like nothing. Weren’t you following baseball then?

      • paul in p.v.

        Small sample size. How many innings are your talking about. Bochy didn’t use him when it mattered, irrc.

        • John Myhill

          From August 23 until the end of the season, Smith pitched in 17 games, 12.2 innings, 0 runs, 3 hits (all singles), 19 strikeouts. He was fantastic. Bochy’s failure to use him in important situations when things were completely falling apart was perhaps his most obvious mistake with the bullpen last year.

          • totalfan62

            Will Smith is a quality relief pitcher. He would have been the Brewers closer in 2016 if not for a freak injury. When he joined us last year, he stumbled a bit at first, and Bochy typecast him as a LOOGY and showed little if any confidence in him. He IS Affeldt 2.0, a younger and better version IMHO. Now we probably have to wait more than an entire season to reap the benefits of his pitching.

          • John Myhill

            I agree that he’s a real quality pitcher (although it’s pretty disconcerting to see him injured again after what happened last year with the Brewers), and like Affeldt he has no lefty-righty split, but I think he should be used differently from Affeldt. Affeldt was the ultimate GUOOTMY (get-us-out-of-this-mess), the guy you bring in in the 6th or 7th inning when your starter has loaded the bases with nobody out and a one-run lead. He had balls of steel, he was just an incredible pitcher when one slight false step would change the game, he didn’t give hitters anything to hit (though he didn’t strike out many), and he was a double-play machine. Smith is just as good but in a different way, he gets a huge number of strikeouts but he sometimes takes a little while to find his control, he’s better off starting innings as a set-up man or closer.

  • Michael Scott

    Good night folks. Don’t worry, be happy. But not too much. Have to have some in reserve if things don’t go well

  • The Oracle

    Eric Hosmer in his 6 seasons & 3722 PAs: .277/.335/.428/.763 with 175 2Bs, 15 3Bs, 102 HRS & 472 RBI;
    Brandon Belt in his 6 seasons & 2698 PAs: .272/.359/.460/.818 with 154 2Bs, 24 3Bs, 80 HRs & 318 RBI.

    • Efrain

      I just told Lefty I’d rather have Hosmer any day. Sure as hell will produce more runs.

      • The Oracle

        Belt has out performed him in most areas. Hosmer has a taken a much higher percentage of his career ABs in the heart of the order than Belt, where there are going to be more opportunities to drive in runs.

        Hosmer with RISP: .284/.360/.432/.792
        Belt with RISP: .266/.365/.443/.808

        Not a big difference.

        • Efrain

          TRUE….

          I’d rather have Hosmer, I hate Belt.

          • Matthew

            Why?

          • Efrain

            It was a bit much I agree, it was in jest.

          • The Oracle

            With the demonstrated quality of your thought process, that’s actually a vote in Belt’s favor.

          • DrLefty

            And there you have it. You “hate” an All-Star first baseman, a two-time World Series champion, on your supposed OWN TEAM. That just doesn’t make sense. I have my favorites on the Giants, but good grief, I don’t “hate” any of them. What an odd thing to say.

          • Efrain

            Yeah that was too strong I agree, I was laughing as I typed it for the dramatic effect.

            Let’s just say he’s not my fave.

          • John Myhill

            Remember his generalizations about ‘people from north carolina’. Efrain loves to hate.

        • The Oracle

          89% of Hosmer’s PAs have come in spots 2-5 in the lineup. Only 53% of Belt’s PAs have come in those spots.

      • Matthew

        You’d rather have Shea Hillenbrand than Belt. It has nothing to do with talent.

        • Surf Maui

          Shea Hillenbrand–wow!! good one

        • Bapah

          I don’t care for RHed first basemen.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Perhaps Leyland doesn’t either. You two are two peas in a pod.

          • Bapah

            How kind. Leyland is a great baseball mind and a wonderful human being. I can see you also have a wonderful eye for character and knowledge.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            I also think of you as a pirate, peg leg and all.

          • Bapah

            I have a parrot, named George.

          • Bapah

            He sometimes makes comments for me here without my knowledge.

    • Kramerica

      Hosmer has tremendously improved the last two years and I believe is younger. Belt is a tremendous player, but I think Hosmer is better. If the point is that the perception is Hosmer is a superstar and Belt is just a guy then I agree with you that they should be looked at as very similar players.

      • paul in p.v.

        Superstars don’t hit .277. Too early for that, altho I’m sure he’s on board.

        • Kramerica

          I don’t think Hosmer is a superstar. I think maybe TO was implying Hosmer is perceived that way and Belt is just a guy. I think they’re very even players but I think Hosmer is slightly better. Belt is awesome too though, Giants are very fortunate he’s their 1B.

      • DrLefty

        Actually Hosmer had a very good 2015 and a very mediocre 2016. Belt’s 2016 was much better than Hosmer’s. So I’d say he improved and then regressed.

        • DrLefty

          Hosmer’s wRC+ for 2016 was 101, or barely league average. Belt’s was 134. Hosmer’s Fangraphs WAR was -0.2. Belt’s was 3.9.

        • Baldheadslikk1

          Tremendous? Nice player but tremendous?

    • DrLefty

      More than 1000 more PAs…Belt being yo-yoed in 2011 and injured in 2014.

      • Efrain

        Always an excuse for Belt

        • Matthew

          Ummm…I believe it’s “math”, not “excuse”.

          • Efrain

            😉

        • DrLefty

          Belt is an all-around better player, and it’s not especially close. Your bias makes you lose credibility. His defense is better by any metric. His OBP, SLG, and OPS are a lot better than Hosmer’s, and their BAs are practically the same. With the same # of PAs, he’d have more HRs than Hosmer, even playing in worst park for lefty power hitters in the majors.

          Hate him if you like, even if he’s on YOUR team(!), but don’t pretend it’s based on anything rational.

          • Bapah

            Credibility? When did he ever have credibility?

          • DrLefty

            I’m throwing his words back at him. He’s always sneering that we have no credibility because we’re “biased” towards Giants players, and we should put on our cheerleader outfits and grab our pom-poms. I’m just saying it cuts both ways. He’s so full of blind hatred towards Belt he can’t acknowledge that Belt is a fine baseball player. It’s pretty hypocritical when he’s always accusing the rest of us of doing the same thing.

          • totalfan62

            Kinda like accusing all of us as being racist, while being a racist himself.

          • Bapah

            ↑↑↑

          • Matthew

            I’m not convinced it’s actually his team.

          • DrLefty

            Me either.

          • John Myhill

            Hosmer is an incredible clutch hitter. He seems to be one of those very rare hitters who really do perform better when the game is on the line. I might take Hosmer over Belt but not because I hate Belt.

          • totalfan62

            …unless you consider racism rational.

      • Efrain

        1000 less ABs……..and almost 50 more strike outs.

        I laugh what “great eye” Belt has at the plate. Surely for seeing the ball called third strike without a swing 😂😂😂

        • DrLefty

          His career OBP is 30 points higher, though. A strikeout’s just an out, so what?

          • John Myhill

            A strikeout is in many situations–especially important situations with men on base–worse than other outs because it can’t move a runner along. On the other hand, Belt makes up for the strikeouts to a large extent because he hits into so few double plays (wGDP of 10.9 since 2012, #1 in the majors).

        • John Myhill

          He has an incredibly good eye with regard swinging at pitches which are in the strike zone (Z-swing%) and not swinging at pitches which are out of the strike zone (O-swing%)–(78.9%-25.5%=53.4%–that’s the biggest difference in the majors by far). His rate of swinging at pitches in the strike zone was the 6th highest out of 203 players with 400+ PAs last year, so it is completely wrong to say that he takes too many pitches which are in the strike zone. His problem is that he misses the ball too often when he swings.

        • Surf Maui

          Unfortunately a better eye than the home plate umpire

          • Bapah

            Bob would have many more walks with a Robo-ump.

        • Baldheadslikk1

          nice!!!!!

        • Baldheadslikk1

          lol folks dont wanna add that comparison but you just did !!!

          • Efrain

            Right!!!!?? that’s always their excuse. By that logic, Chris Carter has the best eye in the game! lol

          • Baldheadslikk1

            Lmao if Carter was our guy theyd push him and his wonderful eye out of town! Belts decent and thats about it !

  • Awesome!!!

  • Matthew

    Nice….fun game

    • Bapah

      I tried to say that earlier and I got schooled. Be careful.

      • Matthew

        Thanks for the warning. “Careful” isn’t a foundational attribute of mine

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    USA came to play. This matters. They may be feeding on the energy and enthusiasm of the other teams. The top two teams of this tourney going head to head will be pretty cool to watch.

    • It’s good stuff.

    • Bapah

      One thing good to have emerged form this whole WBC thing is the world has gotten to see and admire #35’s skills on the field under a much more detailed lens. Leland and his staff seem justifiably impressed. There are others that have impressed me, as well. It isn’t all as much a waste as I first thought.

      • valleyfloorryan

        Potential MVP if they win it all.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    RE: Belt vs. Hosmer, you guys can have it both ways.

    Who do you want generating more WAR production over the course of a season? Belt.

    Who do you want batting in the middle of the lineup in the postseason or WBC tournament? Hosmer

    everyone’s happy

    • DrLefty

      Who hit the game-winning HR in the 18th inning that turned the 2014 postseason?–Belt. He had a very fine 2014 postseason–and a better World Series than Hosmer did when their teams were playing each other. So that dog doesn’t hunt, either.

  • The Oracle

    I just put in my new Slap Shot blu-ray, which I snagged out of the Walmart discount bin. Definitely in my top 5 all time sports movies.

    • pacman68

      My Top 5
      1. Bad News Bears (70’s)
      2. Hoosiers
      3. The Natural
      4. Breaking Away
      5. Miracle

      • The Oracle

        I’ll go:

        1. Hoosiers
        2. Breaking Away
        3. The Natural
        4. Rocky
        5. Vision Quest
        6. Slap Shot

        I guess it wasn’t in my top 5.

        • Surf Maui

          NO–Field of Dreams is the greatest movie ever made– though its not really a sports movie

          • totalfan62

            I’m with you on that one!

          • Bapah

            I’m so glad that there is finally someone here not prone to hyperbole.

          • Surf Maui

            never

          • Moooooooooose

            Strange Brew

      • Christopher Boyd

        1. Rocky
        2. Hoosiers
        3. Bull Durham
        4. Brians Song
        5. The Natural

        Heck Remember The Titans, The Blind Side, Field of Dreams, He Got Game, Coach Carter…. All before Slapshot

    • RobDeer

      The Hansen brothers. The best.

      • Ham & Egging It

        Melinda Dillon. The better.

        • Bapah

          Wonderful scene with Coach.

          • Bapah

            [clears throat]

    • JStreet

      Finally we agree on something.

      • The Oracle

        Congratulations on being right. I’m very happy for you.

        • JStreet

          It’s a great honor.

  • John Myhill

    Belt vs hosmer is very hard to evaluate because both players are hard to evaluate. Hosmer is one of those very rare players who really do hit much better in the clutch–just check out his high-leverage career stats–and his fielding stats vary wildly depending on the criteria used. Belt is, in the words of a recent fangraph article, the weirdest offensive player in baseball.

  • pacman68

    Belt is better than Hosmer. And I’m very hard on Belt. I think he’s very underrated and will have a break our year soon. I don’t think Melon head has ever liked him so that might way on him.

  • John Myhill

    I personally am not so sanguine about smith’s injury. This sucks. Law has his own health issues, gearrin has been lousy, and i have learned not to depend on strickland.

    • paul in p.v.

      That’s not helpful. What have you learned, kimo-sabe?

      • John Myhill

        What have i learned from last year? Need you ask?

        • paul in p.v.

          From you. Nothing.

          • John Myhill

            Where did that come from??

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      What’s wrong with Law? Occasional elbow flare up?

      All of a sudden, Steven Okert has a lot of weight on his shoulders. Maybe the Giants should have pursued that additional Craig Breslow type lefty. Something to be said for depth.

      • DrLefty

        Law went on the DL in late August, right as Casilla imploded for good. As well as Law had been pitching, he could have been a legitimate option then. Plus he’s had TJ surgery, so you always worry a little bit.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          Strickland with TJ Hx as well, among others. As long as Law throwing well right now, no worries, other than the prerequisite concern for all pitchers.

          • DrLefty

            Yes, but longer in the past for Strickland, and he hasn’t had injuries since, at least not that we know of. I believe Osich also had TJS in college, and Kontos did while he was in the minors. Gearrin, too. But Law’s is the most recent.

        • Bapah

          I sort of agree with Footy, but I’ll be more concerned about DLaw if he starts racking up a lot of early season innings.

      • just peachy.

        Law’s prone to injury when he waves a rally rag too hard.

        Just kidding. 😉 it was delightful seeing how excited he was last year.

        • Bapah

          He’s definitely one of my favorites.

    • Bapah

      Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln…

    • DrLefty

      I don’t think any of us are sanguine. It’s a huge loss.

    • Lunch_Box

      These, aside from the Smith injury, are reasons why I didn’t like Bobby E. just standing pat when it came to shoring up the bullpen with a veteran reliever. Great move with getting Melancon, yes, but that doesn’t change that you still have the same people there minus 3 relievers from last season.

      • John Myhill

        I confess to not seeing this coming. I thought things were going to be great there this year.

      • Peter Johnson

        Evans likes the young relievers in the Giants system, just did not like how Bochy used them, if he signed more veteran relievers Bochy would never give the young relievers a chance to develop .

        • Lunch_Box

          Perhaps Bochy leaning on his vets is due to the thinking of a winning now mentality.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Stroman gets the start for Team USA. Seth Lugo for PR.

    Goldschmidt isn’t the only one getting short shrift on ABs. Daniel Murphy only has 6 ABs.

    Posey and Crawford lead Team USA in OPS, followed by Hosmer and Yelich, all >.900.

    • HaakAway

      Three inches of rain here in the last 24-hours. #MeAndMyRainForest

      Osich will get a few more IP to be sure he is ready and I think he can do it.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        0.3 inches yesterday. Enough to give the grass a little drink and water my newly planted asparagus. More showers possible today and Friday, but not much. Need to stroll out into wet grass and check last expecting cow, Lily…

      • Bapah

        It seems to have petered out as it got down my way. I’ve always liked Hawaii’s weather just a tad more. [That was sort of a useless statement, wasn’t it?]

        • HaakAway

          Agreed. Not all Rain Forests are created equal.

          Cold brewing a Guatemalan from 4500 feet … that Lulu Carpenter brand; “Cultivars: Bourbon, Caturra, Orange Blossom, Canteloupe, Honey”. It was the freshest roasted they had. I am ignorant but is this one of those blends you have mentioned?

          Taking it on my Road Trip to ST tomorrow.

          • Bapah

            Is it a blend? Or is it a specialty roast? I’m not as fond of blends for brewed coffee, but espresso is ofttimes aided by blending beans with different characteristics.

            The freshest roasted are often markedly better than roasts of several day’s age. It’s the reason I only buy half-pound quantities and keep them in sealed glass jars.

            Had a miserable morning trying to clean my grinder. I feel shame for how clogged I found the workings as I broke it down.

          • Bapah

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          • HaakAway

            If I understand “cultivar” right then this bean is a hybrid. It is called “Finca Joya Grande”.

          • Bapah

            Yes, but it is a single bean. Genetic “blends” (or hybrids) can be applied to nearly every modern bean from around the world.

          • HaakAway

            One of my nephews has a small business of raising and selling Renaissance Bulldogs that go back to the non-hybrids. Trying to go back to our Origins; uglier dogs are hard to find though.

          • Bapah

            They were all wolves once.

          • HaakAway

            Good thing they hibernated on the Ark or Noah’s rabbits never would’ve made it.

          • Bapah

            They started with two rabbits and ended with so much rabbit stew, no one could stomach any more.

    • earlytimes

      Do they sit Posey tonight?

      • Bapah

        Probably, but he could DH; just not sure he’s the better choice. I think it’s “all-in” for Jim tonight.

      • steve k

        it was mentioned last night that lucroy would get the start.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that detail. It’s Lucroy’s turn behind the dish. Sticking with the plan.

        • DrLefty

          I wonder if they have a deal with the Giants that Buster doesn’t catch back-to-back games. Otherwise, it’s odd that you wouldn’t play one of your two top hitters in the final game.

          Could he get to AZ by 1 pm to catch Cain? I’m sure Matt would appreciate it.

          • HaakAway

            Don’t tell Peter but USA losing now is the best of all worlds:
            Crawford and Posey got to be visible as the stars they are.
            The Giants get their full team back for this final week of camp when the “Moving Pieces” are multiplying daily. Enuff!

          • Bapah

            One more day, Haak. I felt that way earlier. Now, I’d just like to see them kick PR’s ass. Blond punks.
            Although, no matter who wins, it will be an American victory.

          • HaakAway

            Oops … now I see it; last game win or lose.
            Go USA!
            My timing is good for seeing ST Thursday, Friday, Saturday then.

          • Keep’n It Real

            Did Angel Pagan die his hair? My money is on “no”, but had to ask.

          • Bapah

            I think it’s more bleaching than dye. But, yes, he bleached his hair.

          • Keep’n It Real

            Thanks!

          • Bapah

            Por nada.

      • Baldheadslikk1

        why is he tired?

    • Efrain

      rumor has it the DBack asked for Goldy’s playing time be handled gingerly. They are relying on him too much to risk any injuries before the season starts.

  • Bapah

    Great quote by Pavs.
    “It’s weird watching Crawford go through a handshake line without trying to turkey tap Belt.”

  • Baldheadslikk1

    Yesterday while working in Sacramento i drove past a high school baseball game so i stopped and watched for 5 minutes or so in the rain might i add and i was pleasantly surprised to see how many young black boys were playing and it warmed my heart so much!! Hopefully this is the start of a new trend because back in the day baseball was played by blacks on a regular basis, really nice to see.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Speaking of loogies,

    would Javier Lopez consider coming out retirement?

    • Bapah

      I’d like to see him coach some young lefties, especially on how to strut.

    • DrLefty

      I had the same thought. He’s only been retired for what, a few weeks?

      • paul in p.v.

        You know he’s in shape.

    • Lunch_Box

      Nah he’s retired at a good time. Let him ride off into the sunset.

      Plus, I can’t bear hearing Miller using that dumb nickname, “Night Train.” Still have to hear the other dumb nickname, “Professor” for Crawford.

      • DrLefty

        Marty Lurie calls Ron Wotus “the Professor”–he interviews him every weekend. It gets confusing. Makes more sense with Wotus, though–professor of the Infield 101 class.

    • Efrain

      The Giants will bring someone in as soon as they can make a trade. Remember they were kicking the tires of a bunch of RP up until the start of ST. They’ll bring in a RP and a LF/CF during the season and have some SP to deal. Given how many teams have a dearth of quality starters, the Giants can be in a position to trade from strength instead of desperation.

  • Bapah

    The Neural Hierarchy
    “Your nervous system utilizes three systems to orient you in your environment.”
    In order of importance.
    1- Visual
    2- Vestibular
    3- Proprioceptive
    For baseball these are all even more important.

    For those not familiar with, or that may have missed previous lectures…proprioception is knowing (without looking) where all your limbs are and the position of all your joints. This is incredibly important to developing (and maintaining) baseball skills. Vestibular is balance. This is the one that is haunting me. BCraw’s is spectacular.

    • HaakAway

      Vestibular … troubles
      MrsHaakAway from auto accident 30 years ago.
      Friend recently and it is traced to Meniere’s
      Sorry to hear this.

      • Bapah

        Sorry to hear of her troubles. It is a demoralizing development for someone that has always had pretty good balance. Mine’s just age-related. The clumsiness, I’m told, has always been a problem of mine.

        Ballistic movements are one of those “supremely necessary” for playing baseball. It is also one of those things that mark the end of a career when they go. Some call them “rapidly executed motor programs” It’s a real pain in the ass when you can’t count on them anymore. You hear that JRoll?

        • paul in p.v.

          I’m sorry to preach about yoga – but you know practicing standing balance poses will bring back some of your loss of balance. Maybe not all, but it’s awesome damage control for aging. Plus, it’s fun. Just my 2 pesos.

          • Bapah

            I might need an instructoress, but I’m willing.

          • paul in p.v.

            That would be a bonus!

          • Bapah

            More like a prerequisite.

          • paul in p.v.

            There’s no shortage of them. Find a class and sign up for a month, go as often as possible. Then see what you think.

    • valleyfloorryan

      thank you for the new term. never heard propioceptive before.

      Makes sense as “propio” in Spanish implies self or ownership.

      • Bapah

        Proprioception is one of those critically essential “senses” that are little known and universally ignored, except by neurobiologists and athletic trainers and coaches.

        • valleyfloorryan

          my bad – proprio, which is latin or Italian for “own”

          • Bapah

            Not bad in any sense.

          • Bapah

            I will. You’ve convinced me that doing something is better than doing nothing. I’m already good at the latter.

        • paul in p.v.

          Bap – it’s becoming known in the yoga world – and important in the real world for ‘catching your balance’ and body control. I like to think of it as moving like a cat – if you trip good proprioception allows you to snap back, or at worst fall gracefully – then get up and, like a cat, act like you meant to do that all along.

          • Bapah

            Balance and proprioception are two different things. My proprioception is very good, my high-wire abilities are lacking.

          • Bapah

            I can fall gracefully, but tipping over is a bit of an embarrassment.

          • paul in p.v.

            I know. Stand with your feet lined up, heel-to-toe, and close your eyes for 5 breaths. Then slide the other foot in front, like you’re on a balance beam, keeping your eyes closed. Do it 2X, and see where your feet are when you open your eyes. Great practice!

          • 610nm

            How about if I just get a pint of beer, and practice drinking while standing on one foot?

          • paul in p.v.

            That sounds like an appropriate modification. But you gotta do both sides, so drink slowly.

          • Bapah

            You don’t do that already? I’ve been working on Beer-associated workouts for years.

  • valleyfloorryan

    This is not to say one player is better than the other, but rather just for the purpose of reinforcing John Myhill’s statement about clutch performance – which as a fan you think of as big hits at critical junctures, but in fangraphs-speak, is the ratio of performance in high leverage vs. all other situations. In other words, if a guy always gets hits, regardless of situation, his “clutch” metric won’t tell you much about his performance in big situations.

    In high leverage situations (from fangraphs, viewable on player page under splits):

    Brandon Belt – 332 PA .274/.369/.394, 12.3 BB%, 25.9 K%, 115 wRC+ (pretty good)

    Eric Hosmer – 373 PA .315/.394/.495, 12.3 BB%, 13.7 K%, 136 wRC+
    (very good)

    BTW, Belt is very good in medium leverage situations, 139 wRC+.

    • Peter Johnson

      What’s medium leverage ?

      • valleyfloorryan

        Somewhere between high and low. Maybe first inning AB. Maybe a 5th inning AB with the Giants leading 4-2.

        • Michael Scott

          “What’s a medium leverage situation ?”
          “Somewhere between high and low.”
          Awesome exchange.

      • John Myhill

        Leverage refers to how much the results of an at bat contributes to the likelihood that a team is going to win the game, depending on the score, inning, outs, and baserunners. For example, when Mike Morse came to the plate in the 8th inning of game 5 vs. St. Louis, the Giants were behind by 1 run with no one on base and no outs in the 8th inning, they had a 28.57% chance of winning the game and the leverage index was 2.14. After the home run they had a 63.17% chance of winning the game. When Ishikawa came to the plate the next inning with the score tied and men on 1st and 2nd with 1 out, they had a 74.36% chance of winning the game and the leverage index was even higher, 4.13. You can check it out here: https://gregstoll.dyndns.org/~gregstoll/baseball/stats.html#H.0.9.1.4

    • 610nm

      Just to be a bit of a gadfly here, can you run something like that for Bumgarner versus Kershaw? I suspect it is harder to compare “high leverage” for pitching than hitting, but I will never forget Madison’s 7th game relief job.

      • Peter Johnson

        Kershaw has great regular season numbers in all situations , it’s the Post season where he has had problems mostly in late innings ,7th inning are later, mostly vs the Cards .

        • 610nm

          Yeah, we really oughta hire somebody out of STL to figure out what they do against Kershaw.
          Of course, Barry Bonds faltered in his first few post seasons, so I’m being a bit unfair to Kershaw (which doesn’t bother me in the least!).

        • DrLefty

          And the Cubs last year. He lost their elimination game in the NLCS.

      • Bapah

        And Opie’s various post-season flameouts.

        • HaakAway

          Interesting how we view it.
          If Kershaw keeps this up he is a HoF lock;
          If Bum keeps up his level, he will be borderline HoF. [Unless he gets another WS MVP and then being freshly retired he would have the factor of those performances on his side. But those will fade with time and Kershaw’s stats will stand taller with time.

          • Bapah

            Funny thing about bias works.

        • Efrain

          There are pitchers in the HOf that have very little post season stats, if any. Kershaw’s season stats speak for themselves, post season issues or not.

          Just as there are pitchers with marginal stats that have dominated the post season. Does Livian Hernandez deserve to be in the HOF? No right?

      • valleyfloorryan

        the easiest way is just to examine postseason for those two. case closed.

        the above does not take into account postseason, which I linked for the two batters below.

        but will do, for you, 610.

        Kershaw, high-lev: 528 total batters faced, opponents batted .189/.260/.306 against him.

        Bumgarner: 394 TBF, .207/.252/.357

        As expected, both extremely tough in tight spots.

        • 610nm

          Closer than I might have thought, actually. To Bapah and Haak, too, it seems to me that HOF requires a long and productive career, and then some flash. WS rings are in Bumgarner’s possession. A number of one hitters, but so far, no no-hitter. Fewer wins, but Bumgarner seems gracious not to hit out at his relievers when they blow a game. Both pitchers are great, but right now, Kershaw’s got less of the ‘bling’ – do I remember two no-hitters?

          • HaakAway

            Bum is only 27 with six full seasons.
            Barring injury, he has six more descent seasons, ends up with 200 wins, under a 3.00 ERA and close to 3,000 K’s. In these days those stats would get the HoF I think. Then you add in the post-season and he has even a better chance.

          • steve k

            i’m pretty sure that opie only has one no-no, ST

        • 610nm

          Oh, and thank you for looking it up!

          • Bapah

            That seems to be a common thread for those that have had the luxury of grad students and post-docs.

      • John Myhill

        Fangraphs’ Clutch isn’t a reliable statistic for starting pitchers, and the same is true of anything based on WPA/leverage–it depends too much on manager’s decisions when to pull a starter and who else the team has to relieve him. A starting pitcher who pitches 8 brilliant innings but then loses a 1-run lead in the 9th because he’s tired but the manager either doesn’t notice it or doesn’t trust his bullpen is going to get a lousy WPA score (things like this happened to Bumgarner a few times last year). Postseason data give too small a sample size to be statistically significant.

    • John Myhill

      The Clutch metric is not exactly the same thing as hitting better in the clutch. It is based on WPA and this means that hitters with a small number of walks and strikeouts will do better at Clutch that hitters with a lot of these independent of their batting average in high/medium/low leverage situations. The Giants’ Clutch strength in their championship years was more the product of free swinging than traditional ‘clutch’ hitting.

      • Peter Johnson

        You will notice Belt and Hosmer have the same BB%, but Belt has almost Double the K% as Hosmer .

        • John Myhill

          What are you talking about?
          Belt Hosmer
          Career BB% 11.3% 7.9%
          2016 BB% 15.9% 8.5%
          Career K% 24.0% 16.4%
          2016 K% 22.6% 19.8%
          C’mon, at least check before you make claims like this.

      • valleyfloorryan

        that’s right, Clutch is function of WPA and leverage index.

    • But as a fan or coach we know what a clutch baseball player looks like. No stats needed

      • valleyfloorryan

        True. You know who you want up in a big spot – which is usually the guy that is going to put the bat on the ball and hit it hard somewhere – as would your best or #3 hitter.

      • Peter Johnson

        You know everything ,the rest of us are just clueless .

        • Bapah

          That wasn’t, at all, necessary.

          • Peter Johnson

            Yeah it was, us Coaches crap gets old .

          • Bapah

            READ what was written.

          • Peter Johnson

            Stats prove things, Coaches opinion is only an opinion .

          • Bapah

            I give up. “as a fan or coach” You just keep compounding the impression many have of you.

        • What happened ? Too much time indoors. You say stuff that you say I said that I never said.

          During ONE game – when there are 25 players in each dugout and both coaching staffs in both dugouts and 40K people in the stands the EYE test will tell “you” who is the clutch player in the majority of situations.

          Given that hitters lose 7 out of 10 battles with any pitcher.

      • John Myhill

        It isn’t true. I look at basically every game but sometimes I’m surprised when I look at clutch data.

        • Hitters lose 7 out of 10 battles with any pitcher.
          In any other sport say a QB who could only hit his wide receiver 30% of the time would be out of the game.
          The soccer player that could only score on 30% of his free kicks = bye bye
          In the NBA if you climb a ladder two mens basketballs – if you take down the net – will fit through horizontally together – thus 30% would be garbage.

          MLB is the only sport that takes the 30% and converts it to .300

    • Efrain

      that’s always been my issue with Belt, I understand he has good skills, but he is a metrics monster that never actually materializes? Why? Is it the Park? Sure Belt is the best sample an agent could show a Free agent LH hitter WHY NOT to sign with SF.

      Is it approach? On the blog people love to say he has a better eye than the umps. Maybe so but that is a lame excuse in the end. The name of the game is to produce runs. Is it his approach. I criticize Belt because I see way too many periods of lack of production and lack of aggressiveness. Add to this, that where he hits in the lineup (usually) calls for run production. On a great hitting team he would be great as a 6/7 hitter, but on the Giants they need him in the 2-4 slots. Not going to produce runs with the bat on his shoulder looking at a called 3rd strike.

      • valleyfloorryan

        Just keep in the spot where he has the best chance to succeed and does the most for the team’s offense. In my opinion, which is supported by batting order optimization calculations, Belt is a great fit for the #2 spot.

        Let him get on base at a 38% rate, hit doubles, and do his part to get the line moving. Ideally the guys hitting behind him drive in the runs. Giants may very well be in need of a legit #3 or 4 hitter. Someone like JD Martinez could fit the bill at the trade deadline. Although Lorenzo Cain would be my first choice.

        • Efrain

          good observation, the Giants do lack a true cleanup hitter. That’s why so many constantly criticize and don’t appreciate the full value of Posey, who is not a #4 but HAS TO BE on this team. Specially now that Pence’s best days are well past him.

          The only thing about batting Belt #2 is that Panik does so well there. Opens up a whole other discussion.

          • valleyfloorryan

            If Span struggles, bat Panik leadoff. Hard to place Panik if Span 1 and Belt 2.

            3? 6? 7?

          • Efrain

            8? 9 when Bum pitches, maybe even Smarge. loz

      • John Myhill

        I agree with you to you up to a point. I don’t like the effect Belt has on the team because of his lack of aggressiveness. It’s difficult to find a good place for him in the lineup. He isn’t good at the top of the order because he isn’t a very good baserunner. He isn’t good farther back in the order because of his lack of aggressiveness–I don’t think the problem is so much striking out with men on base but rather walking (especially with two outs) and passing the buck to someone else. He’s very good at what he does but he isn’t flexible. On the other hand, he’s clearly a pretty good hitter and capable of being great for extended periods, and I don’t think it would help to tell him to be more aggressive.

        • Bapah

          He isn’t a very good baserunner? Where the hell have you been?

      • buyselltrade

        Belt is probably best at 2nd position because of OBP.

        Belt at 2nd position with a strong base stealer at lead off would be good because Belt takes pitches to guard the plate. The base stealer gets more pitches to work his skill and Belt gets better pitches because of the threat of the base stealer.

        Working walks high in the batting order is better than lower in the batting order because 3rd and 4th are stronger hitters while 6th, 7th. 8th position hitters are progressively weaker.

        That said I prefer a Panik at his best at 2nd potion and Belt at 3rd with my annual hope for Belt tot have a career year that establishes a new level of play through Belt’s prime years.

    • Michael Scott

      There are clutch “performances”, the “clutch hitter” notion is a myth. Even if you buy the myth, 300 or 400 PA is an absurdly SSS to make any judgement.

      • valleyfloorryan

        It’s a larger SS than 100 PAs, that much I know. It’s also “getting there” if you catch my drift.

        Guy you want at the plate is the guy seeing the ball well and hitting it hard. But if he’s seeing it and hitting it too well, he’ll just get walked. The perfect guy was Marco Scutaro. He was on fire but nobody was going to walk him. Anyhow, I never read Edith Hamilton’s chapter on the myth of clutch hitters.

        • Michael Scott

          “Guy you want at the plate is the guy seeing the ball well and hitting it hard. ” Sure, but clutch ability isn’t consistent, nor is it predictable. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about the game, so surely you know that.

        • DrLefty

          That’s the other thing. Sometimes guys get hot in the playoffs. Cody Ross. Scutaro. Ishikawa. Gillaspie. Hosmer himself had a great 2015 postseason and a meh 2016 season. What does it all mean, and is there any reason to think the same guy will ALWAYS be hot in October, given new opportunities?

          • steve k

            ” is there any reason to think the same guy will ALWAYS be hot in October, given new opportunities”? asks lefty…unless his name is bumgarner, then no doc, there is not.

          • DrLefty

            I think pitching is different. You don’t see Joe Schmoe turn into Christy Mathewson in the postseason like you do with non-All-Star hitters having memorable 2-3 week hot streaks in October.

          • valleyfloorryan

            What’s kind of funny is that Hosmer’s “meh” season yielded career highs in HRs and RBIs.

            but we do know the tale of Chris Carter and the power of OBP to determine offensive production.

      • The Oracle

        What is your basis for concluding it’s a myth? We’re talking about human beings, and some handle pressure better than others. Why do you think this human quality wouldn’t apply to baseball?

        • Michael Scott

          From about 11,000 studies on the subject. Do some extensive investigation and get back to me.
          But you are right- we are talking about human beings- and human beings are not consistent beings.

          • The Oracle

            So baseball is the one area of human existence where everyone is equal under pressure? Makes sense to me.

          • Michael Scott

            I’m not in the mood for argument- but I’m consistently inconsistent, catch me later.

          • John Myhill

            Take a statistics class before saying that. See my above post.

          • channelclemente

            Given the nature of year over year behavior that has been observed, it seems hard to understand why a player can exhibit ‘clutch’ performance one year and not the next. So perhaps one shouldn’t be as sanguine about clutch performance. Personally, I think a player can be ‘clutch’ for an interval during a season, but to say that it’s a talent they can call on at will is quite another.

          • Michael Scott

            I’ll go with the 10,999 other studies. Thanks for your input.

          • channelclemente

            There is a little evidence hitting can be ‘contagious’, but not a lot for ‘clutch hitters’.

            http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0051367

      • John Myhill

        If you do a chi-square test for Hosmer’s career slugging % in high vs. low-leverage situations (.495 in 300 ABs vs. .389 in 1683 ABs), the result is 11.34 (1 degree of freedom, p<.001, meaning there's less that 1 in 1000 chance that this result would happen by accident, that is, is Hosmer wasn't hitting differently in high-leverage situation). That'll get you published in any scientific journal you want.

        • valleyfloorryan

          you meant: Hosmer was hitting differently. Significantly so.

          That’s awesome that you just ran a chi-square test. I will have to find something to run a test on. Could be “fun”.

          Something happens for certain players when the stakes are higher. Their approach changes, the focus is more dialed. Hosmer’s low K rate in crunch time is impressive, but his slugging is remarkable given what appears a more contact driven approach.

        • Michael Scott

          Please, a link to the scientific journals that have published your “findings”

        • channelclemente

          One of the assumptions of Chi squared, I think, is that the variance of the two groups of data being compared are similar. With those two sample sizes differing by a factor of 5, they almost certainly aren’t.

          • valleyfloorryan

            what variance? one hitter, his SLG and his ABs.

          • channelclemente

            The AB’s. Look at the two group sample sizes.

    • Brandon Belt had, arguably, the biggest hit of the 2014 season: his 18th inning bomb in Washington D.C. to defeat the hated Walgreens and give the Giants a huge series lead they would not relinquish in a World Series-winning postseason.

      • Peter Johnson

        Ishikawa’s was pretty important too, and was rewarded with 6 plate appearances in 2015 before he was released .

        • Surf Maui

          Greek Giant I continue to disagree on this but Morse’s home run in the 8th was a bigger hit than Ishikawa. Without Morse there is no Ishikawa

          • RobDeer

            Agreed.

          • John Myhill

            Morse’s hit in the 5th inning of game 7 vs, KC was bigger than his home run in game 5 vs. StL. They were already up 3-1 vs. StL whereas game 7 vs. KC was in a tied elimination game in a against KC’s dreaded relief staff.

          • channelclemente

            Look at the WPAs for each. Consider them the tie breaker.

        • John Myhill

          Belt’s was the biggest by WPA.

          • channelclemente

            Lest we forget a game is 9 innings long.

      • valleyfloorryan

        This was already stated by Lefty below and is one incredible instance in his MLB career. The statistics above describe hundreds of instances during regular season action.

    • channelclemente

      That’s also a good bit of information if you compare a pull hitter to an all fields, middle of the field hitter, just in case you run into PJ.

  • Bapah

    KT gets start at SS

    • valleyfloorryan

      about time.

  • Michael Scott

    As noted below, we already have the EOTD.
    Peter-“What’s a medium leverage situation ?”
    Valley- “Somewhere between high and low.”

  • Michael Scott

    SO- can I presume that we are hoping that Matt has a terrible outing today?

    • Peter Johnson

      I am more worried about Pence’s at bats, he needs to pick it up, Season starts in 11 days .

      • Michael Scott

        Thanks, I thought that it was between 10 and 12 days.

        • Peter Johnson

          Every reply are post you make has to be a smart ass remark ?

          • 610nm

            Isn’t smart-ass-ery exactly what we do here?

          • Peter Johnson

            Not me, I am about the game, I take it very seriously .

          • Bapah

            Weigh 2.

          • Michael Scott

            Peter, it’s possible to have a sense of humor about it, as well.

          • Peter Johnson

            Most of your Humor is talking down to people, a lot like Fitz on the radio, your way are the highway .

          • RobDeer

            Peter, I’ve never seen anyone lash out at people as much as you, saying things like “dumbest post ever” and then criticize others for poking fun. You’re neither diplomatic nor congenial. Which is fine. But you can’t have it both ways. As you yourself said, if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

          • Peter Johnson

            I can take the heat , but I have no problem giving the heat back, I usually do not start things , and people that joke around like you, and want to small talk on the blog , because your lonely are something, this blog to me is about talking baseball and the Giants, I might Bs at times but it is rare .

          • RobDeer

            I’m very lonely.

          • channelclemente

            That strikes me as odd for someone who seems to need a hug as much as you.

          • paul in p.v.

            Why oh why do you put up with this psycho.

          • RobDeer

            Matthew!!!! SERIOUS ALERT!!!!

          • Matthew

            Don’t call Peter Shirley

          • Michael Scott

            Remember Ruben Rivera and his mad dash to nowhere? Did you laugh, cry, or get angry?
            All 3?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spx9ZeSYVTU

          • RobDeer

            Angry until Jon Miller made me laugh.

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            Laughed until I peed my pants

          • Moooooooooose

            I think I went through as many emotions while it was happening as Rivera went directions!

          • Michael Scott

            Yes. Voices tell me to.

      • Kramerica

        I’m more concerned about Span. He was awful for the most part last year (despite his solid postseason) and looks like he’s done in ST. He’s a CF coming off injuries entering his age 33 season. I think he’s the weakest spot in the every day lineup. Giants can’t have him become an out machine again this year.

        • Peter Johnson

          Pence is a middle of the order guy, I have lower expectations for Span and Cain, but Pence has 2 years left on his deal, and if he hits this season like he is hitting this Spring the Giants are in big trouble .

          • Michael Scott

            I agree, if hits .118 , we’re in a load of doo-doo.

        • RobDeer

          He hit .286 in the second half last year.

          • valleyfloorryan

            even with an 0 for 30 something. had he snuck in a couple or several hits during that stretch he would have hit .290 or even .300 in the 2nd half.

            as with all things, wheel sea.

    • Bapah

      Not me. I’d like to see if he can pull it together.

    • RobDeer

      One or the other. I’d love to see five scoreless innings but if not, then yes, I’d rather see him get knocked around than give up 4 runs in five with 10 hits and make management think, “he’s right on the cusp, gosh darnit.” It’d be friggin’ wonderful for him to somehow figure it out but I sure as hell don’t want him to make the rotation and sludge his way to a 1-5 start with 5.86 ERA to start the season.

      • Bapah

        How about the first inning?

        • RobDeer

          Jesus… well, like I said. I’d rather this happen and force the front office to realize you simply can’t start the season with him out there.

          • Bapah

            Although I was hoping for a resurrection, I would prefer to see a clear and present failure before X-ing his position as a 5 starter.

            Perhaps, this is a You Are There Moment.

    • The Oracle

      I think it’s more like assuming.

      • Michael Scott

        Of course you do.

        • channelclemente

          Hope isn’t part of TO’s moral repertoire.

          • NW315°

            “Lack of hope may give place to despair or cynicism.”

            – Pope Benedict XVI – Encyclica “Spe salvi” (About Hope).

  • 610nm

    To Bapah, for inflicting on us the ‘polish a turd’ video link yesterday:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/world/asia/tibet-derge-parkhang-buddhist-texts-ancient-printing-press.html

    Maybe your woodworking experience can give a rational explanation to step one?

    • Bapah

      Make me hunt for the reference, Dr. Peckerhead. I suppose they use the technique first to avoid the western practice of it turning into shit later.

      Truthfully, I have no idea, at present, but knowing my proclivities, I’ll make something up later that will seem logical and insightful.

    • Matthew

      We type on I Pads…

    • Bapah

      I’ve looked in many places and searched several woodworking databases. I even dug out an old book of Formulas, Methods and Secret Processes from early last century and found no reference to preparing birchwood with feces. I found everything from homemade Adhesives to nickel plating on Zinc.

      The only thing I can surmise is that it protects the surface of the wood for the primitive Intaglio method of printing it will subsequently used for. Hoo Nose.

  • steve k

    hard to believe that a rock n’ roll/blues legend like myself (in my own mind, of course) is posting an abba song, but it’s a guilty pleasure of mine, and the title is apropos for tonight’s game. so…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyIOl-s7JTU

    • paul in p.v.

      Hey! A Swedish Tammy Wynette!!

    • Bapah

      Somebody posted a Katzenjammer cut the other day and I watched a number of their cuts. These ladies are all quite versatile and play multiple instruments. Although it wasn’t current, I was impressed.
      https://youtu.be/_bwE4pjcISU

      • steve k

        i know nothing about them, but i liked what i heard. a lot.

        • Bapah

          Norwegian band. English spoken and sung. Check out some of their other videos, they’re interesting. They all play everything, instrument-wise and all do vocal leads.

          • steve k

            will do..thx bap

  • RobDeer

    Testing… testing… testing…

    • Michael Scott

      Whew! The others are still in the well with Timmy. We couldn’t find Lassie.

      • RobDeer

        Can i take this lead suit off?

  • cabbie

    Whoa, I’m confused. The calendar says March, but the Belt Bashing says June.

    • Matthew

      That’s a 12- month calendar, and every month says “Belt”

    • Michael Scott

      365 days, 24/7

    • valleyfloorryan

      Belt is the Giants’ very best wOBA-machine. At least he was last year. Among the league’s best walk-rates and among leaders for extra base hits. Also a perennial gold-glove candidate.

      Career best HRs = 18
      best RBI total = 82
      runs scored = 77

      WS rings = 2

      All-Star appearances = 1

      what else can be said?

      • NW315°

        “All E. needs is love”.

  • giantc

    Cain lasted three batters before giving up his first run this start.

    • buyselltrade

      Ouch.

      I want Cain to succeed but do not believe it possible and look forward to a good young starter(s).

      Any of Blach, Stratton, or Blackburn are likely immediately better than Cain and this is probably true of Beede who has the best upside.

    • valleyfloorryan

      mmmm, not good for Cain. Wow. Maybe in twist of fortunes he retires and saves the Giants some serious coin.

      • Peter Johnson

        His Wife would kill him .

        • NW315°

          I do hope you don’t really think so.

          • Peter Johnson

            No, but close to 28 million is not money to sneeze at .

          • NW315°

            He got plenty of bucks already, enough for a couple of lives.

        • Matthew

          She was a cocktail waitress in Scottsdale pre-Matty. She won’t have a single complaint about this fantastic, wonderful, rewarding ride…and I’m sure they invested well

        • She would have a good defense lawyer like the Menendez brothers …

      • channelclemente

        You’ve got it backwards, Cain has a contract negotiated in good faith. If the Giants want to sit him and pay it out, that’s their prerogative. If he’s sunk costs, admit the error in Giants Central Command and move on.

        • valleyfloorryan

          I was think about Gil Meche. And I think Brandon McCarthy commented that if he couldn’t pitch he’d retire with money on the table.

          But enough about fantasy land. How goes it?

          • channelclemente

            Each to his own. If the Giants have to eat the last year, maybe they’ll stop negotiating such contracts, and look to aging curves of 30+ year old pitchers.

          • Bapah

            You know as well as I do that those monies are for previous performance.

          • channelclemente

            Yeah, of course. Just cut him a bonus check and write a 3 year contract reflecting his real value. Now it’s like buying a team of horses, one of which is dead before you reach your destination.

  • giantc

    3 runs and balls flying all over the park — they need to go with Blach or Beede. Games in April count too.

  • NW315°

    Mateo 1IP , 4H, 3R, 3ER, 1SO, 9.56 ERA.

    • Matthew

      I never had that pitching line!

      • RobDeer

        Double digit ERA?

        • Matthew

          Hey now….

          • RobDeer

            Kidding. I’m sure you were painting corners and breaking bats.

          • Matthew

            LOOK AT MY AVATAR!!!!! LOOOOOOK!

            I am Juanito

          • RobDeer

            Dude, this is serious.

          • Matthew

            You used lower case…it can’t be that serious

          • NW315°
          • RobDeer

            I thought that after I posted. Hahahaha

          • channelclemente

            I thought that was you complaining about post election gas.

          • Bapah

            [Clears throat]
            Matthew, if you can lift your leg that high without the use of some external device, I’ll do almost anything you request to humble myself before this forum and your complete family and your friends.

            You are NOT Juanito, and will not be, in this, or any other, lifetime.

        • NW315°

          Now Giants trailing by 1. 2-3 T3.

      • NW315°
  • Efrain

    This team just plain looks flat, and sure the Cain thing not helping.

    But to those using the excuse that Craw and Posey are not here, that is a tired excuse.

    • Flat because …….. Spring training is too long. Former ML players used to hunt and eat all winter and come to camp looking like Rick Reuschel or Dmitri Young and they would need ALL of ST to get in shape. The players are BORED and it has nothing to do with Posey or Crawford.

      ST games are glorified scrimmages like in SF’s AAA George Washington HS vs Lowell HS ?

      • channelclemente

        That dog just don’t hunt. I don’t think you can make a case that Cain or Samardzija are bored. I’d rather have them, and others, screw the pooch in a ‘scrimmage’ than when it counts.

        • Bored + their particular secondary pitches do not do well in ARZ in March.

          That dog does hunt. Ask RIP Darryl Kile who used to get lit up in ARZ and then Denver every year and he was an ace with St Louis @ 20-9 and 16-11

          • channelclemente

            CU, an anecdote to prove a generality isn’t terribly useful. If you don’t like pitch movement in AZ, move ST. Player should, IMO, quit whining and get about their business.

          • Matthew

            it’s under article 9.56 in the Players Union Cain addendum

          • I’m not going to argue your points. They are valid ‘cept players cannot just up and move. The Kile item was handled by his agent.
            Maybe Cains agent will get him a tryout in Japan

            Bottom line is tell me the last time anything mattered in spring training except health?

          • channelclemente

            Depends if you think wins in April count as much as wins in August.

          • I do not thing that April wins count as much as wins in August…

          • giantc

            You are right — games in August this year will be worth 1.5 wins. The commissioner wants August to matter more right before people get fired up for football.

          • OK

          • giantc

            Cain’s secondary pitches have not worked for several seasons now — it is time to move on. Whether it is 60 day DL or something else, they cannot just concede games every fifth day b/c it is “only” April. The Shark I am less worried about as he still has very good stuff and while he will frustrate at times he will be fine as a fourth starter.

          • That may be true if you and I were running the team but there are about 5 investors who rule the roost and thus if he doesn’t go on the DL – he will break camp on the 25.

            Sigh ~ ~

        • Baldheadslikk1

          Cain trying to justify 5th spot bored? Whatcha smoking son!

      • Baldheadslikk1

        Agree

  • crawnik

    Giants need to give Cain his gold watch, a pat on the butt and say thanks. Time for New Kid on the Blach.

    • valleyfloorryan

      and someday soon, another Beede on the string ? (i’m trying here, I’m no where near as clever as cats like Rob Deere and Matthew Funderberg).

      • RobDeer

        I know you’re infatuated with tractors but drop the e. But not too much or you’ll find yourself at a rave.

    • winebaroness27

      Stratton?

      • valleyfloorryan

        Blackburn?

      • crawnik

        Eric Stratton, damn glad to meet you.

        • RobDeer

          Nice

    • Efrain

      Or Beede

    • RobDeer

      Well, I did just draft him with my last pick in my fantasy draft. I’ll be happy with 22 wins.

  • valleyfloorryan

    Span coming around?

    • Peter Johnson

      Like I posted earlier, I am more worried about Pence .

      • RobDeer

        You said you were worried about Pence?

        • Peter Johnson

          Yes

          • RobDeer

            I adore you.

          • Matthew

            Two timing bitch

          • RobDeer

            Shhhhhh…. I’m trying to build a bridge.

          • Matthew

            There are no bridges to Windsor

          • RobDeer

            I should tie a knot?

          • Matthew

            That’s knot funny, looser

          • RobDeer

            But it was taylor maid for me.

          • steve k

            he does have a way about him

  • Matthew

    Hey, did waffle arm go deep? I see he has 2 ribbies

  • RobDeer

    Hank just tweeted: Aaron Hill just started the prettiest DP of the spring. Diving stop on Perez shot, around the horn.

    • Baldheadslikk1

      Saw that

  • valleyfloorryan

    So did Cain settle down or does he still look rancid?

    • giantc

      His WHIP is 2.0 for the start — right in line with his last start that he almost seemed giddy about as he was leaving the mound.

    • Matthew

      I think you should go with “Valley Florian”

    • paul in p.v.

      5 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 HR, 8.10 – pretty putrid.

      But he lowered his ERA! And the ball was leaving his hand real purty.

  • Peter Johnson

    Gopher ball by Cain

  • Peter Johnson

    For all you that think the Giants can win with out power , the last 3 games this spring, losing 2-0 to White Sox late 3run HR by Ryder Jones win 3-2, yesterday score 5 runs on 2 HRs by Hundley and a solo HR by Marrero, today 1 hit through 5 innings a 2 run HR by Span, Giants have only scored by HRs .

    • Matthew

      Dearest Peter,

      There are nuances in life, and baseball. No one wants the Giants to win “with out power”. There will be power.

      The game involves pitching, defense, hitting, power hitting, base stealing, fundamentals, composure, and so many things. The Giants have won more than any other franchise thus decade with varying levels of all of those attributes. This team will likely show more power than last season.

      • Baldheadslikk1

        Timely hitting

        • Peter Johnson

          Very rarely, unless you are facing Matt Cain, does a Pitcher give up 3 or 4 hits in an inning, with power , HR or doubles , only need 1 or 2 hits to score runs .

      • Bapah

        Talk to the hand.

    • There are MAJOR records of the AL and NL teams that led the league each year with HR’s and went nowhere.
      * Winning games is about:
      Pitching – the opposing runner should be “on first base or in the dugout in 4 pitches”
      Defense – three outs only
      Timely hitting
      Productive outs
      “Get them On Get them Over Get them In”
      Runner at third less than two outs and Infield back – Hit a middle ground ball
      Runner at third less than two outs with infield in – have to hit deep fly ball

      Most good teams are a given to go 60-60
      Win a high % of the next 42
      “Get To Postseason”

  • Peter Johnson

    Hill Doubles deep to left, pence Doubles to right, end the HR only way to score treat, but extra bases needed. Wonder Is Pence back are was he late on a fastball and surprised the Brewers .

    • Peter Johnson

      Belt ruined the rally by his normal can of corn fly ball to left field, needed a clutch hit Belt, where is Hosmer when we need him, Ha, Ha , Ha .

      • Matthew

        You’re in a strange mood

        • Peter Johnson

          Joke from the Post below, the high leverage hitting of Hosmer and Belt .

          • RobDeer

            That’s the spirit!!

  • Matthew

    With Pence, as noted, it’s either are

  • * Catcher Trevor Brown will miss a few more games and is wearing a walking boot after spraining his ankle away from the field on last Thursday’s off day.
    * Right-hander Bryan Morris will be sidelined for several weeks after he fractured his foot when struck by a line drive while throwing live batting practice.
    * Nick Hundley hit his first home run of the spring, and five innings later, he connected for his second one. The backup catcher got off a slow start but has played well in recent days, and is also making better throws to bases.
    * Shortstop Jimmy Rollins made two nice defensive plays, including a long run to snag a basket catch in shallow left field. But he also was 0 for 3, he’s batting .094 and he might be holding onto a locker only until Brandon Crawford returns from the World Baseball Classic.
    * Right-hander Cory Gearrin pitched for the first time since March 8 because of a cracked middle fingernail on his right hand. He allowed a run on two hits in one inning.
    * Right-hander Derek Law continued his impressive spring while recording the save.
    * The Minnesota Twins have granted Ryan Vogelsong his release so he can pursue other opportunities.
    * Maybe Denard Span heard those whispers from a national reporter that he has lost a step. He hit a double, then challenged Padres right fielder Hunter Renfroe by tagging up on a medium fly ball. Why did he go? “I mean, I had nothing else to do …” Span said, smiling. The throw would have beaten him, but it was too high. Span said third base coach Phil Nevin told him that he was lucky, because Renfroe had the best right field arm he’d ever seen. “He called it an 8.5 on the 2 to 8 scale,” Span said.

    -ab-

  • giantc

    Hwang goes yard again! The players that are not bored are those battling for that last bench spot — Morse (until he got hurt), Marrero, and Hwang have all hit.

    I don’t think Cain is bored either — he just doesn’t have any bullets left.

  • giantc

    Schulman just tweeted that Cain is trying to get stretched out to 100 pitches for his April 7th start against the Padres — Great. He will probably only give up 4 runs against the PAAAdres which will buy him another 5-6 starts.

    • Matthew

      Well, at least that means he’ll only pitch 3 innings

      • RobDeer

        Beware the low hanging fruit, Juanito.

        • Matthew

          Ether are, pal

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      Big deal. Every team is going to lose atleast 60 games, so why not show some loyalty and give a guy a chance before you gracefully slide him off the 40 man? This is the SFG with Baer, Sabean and Bochy running the show. The did it with Timmy and Zito and they will do it with the next guy with a long history with the club.They certainly act like it is part of the magic that builds a strong club house.

      • Peter Johnson

        !40 Million is loyalty enough , and Timmy was still affective 19-13 his last 2 years, Zito won 15 games in 2012, Cain has not been effective since 2013 . Loyalty and respect crap is BS .

        • NW315°

          Dear Mr. Johnson, it is a question of different points of view. Loyalty, respect for the dignity of a person and gratitude for what he has done previously, is what I admire most. Matt Cain deserves it. A true Giants fan will never forget what Cain did.

      • giantc

        Big deal — he has been bad for three seasons now. The time for a graceful exit has passed. If they miss the playoffs by one game, I hope they feel good about giving him another chance while leaving better options off the roster.

      • Matthew

        We all kid in here, but we also know you are right (I’ve written sappy diatribes saying the same). BUT, the fact is that Cain has been stumbling along for 3 seasons with no indications that there is anything there. Timmy had much better results. And…believe it or not, Zito showed signs all along.

        Cain is showing no signs again. The hope has been that he’s getting over his injuries. It isn’t showing. It isn’t.

        • I heard he was gonna spend some time with Andrea the Astrologer….then meet with Ralph Barbieri, have a beer with A. J. Pierzynski, chat with Ruben Rivera, Miggy, Pat the Bat and Grandma Cain and make a decision.

      • valleyfloorryan

        Very strong post of the day candidate.

      • BOOM
        Drop the Mic
        Giant Fan 22SweetSwing has spoken!

      • Kramerica

        Division titles can be lost in April. I would agree with you if there weren’t any better options. But there is at least one measurably better option in Ty Blach and potentially a better option in Beeded. And, as mentioned below, Cain has been bad for more than 3 years. He is forever a Giants hero, IMO his continued lack of success, which hurts the team, *is* a big deal.

  • RobDeer

    Well, I got my four runs allowed in five innings by Cain prediction right, I just should’ve guessed 8 hits instead of ten.

    • RobDeer

      Check that. Seven hits. The glass is half full.

  • Peter Johnson

    RBI Double by FedX and 2 run HR by Hwang, all 6 runs driven in by extra base hits, hmm.

    • Timely extra base hits = **part** of the recipe.

    • Kramerica

      Hwang needs to make this team.

  • RobDeer

    Weren’t we supposed to get more news concerning Smith today?

    • I’m thinking when “Rob Deer” was a ‘youngin’ in Hs he played some CF?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KQydlJ-qc

      • RobDeer

        Nah. Mostly on the bump, and played an erratic SS when in the field.

    • Peter Johnson

      Baggs tweeted yesterday a link to article that said he had a sprain UCL ligament and a strained Muscle or tendon .

      • Kramerica

        So, no TJS required?

        • Peter Johnson

          Not decided yet, waiting for Greshner to comeback from WBC, he was helping Bam Bam and the Dutch team.

        • DrLefty

          They said Smith was flying back to SF to see Dr. Azi– Dr. Aki… I’m not sure how to spell it. The team orthopedist.

          • Bapah

            You’re always so conscientious. Just make up a spelling, no one will know and more importantly nobody cares.

  • “Hey Evelyn, you gotta moment….which team do you play for”…. “Why don’t you leave her alone Jimmy,….or zip it Doris….”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPqYnC-SW5w

    • Matthew

      I cried on November 1, 2010.

  • Michael Scott

    Note for Peter: how many people here don’t appreciate HRs? Or don’t like the Giants scoring
    a lot of runs? Can you count to zero? Well there’s your answer.

    • In the I row – I-26 – Bingo – Full card coverage – Pot pays $12.11

    • valleyfloorryan

      Question for The Chef:

      what are your thoughts on flat iron steaks?

      Then perhaps tell me some thoughts on baseball. Should there be concern for Parker recent skid? How’s Tommy trending? Who’s looking good in the pen that could sneak in?

      Thanks in advance.

      • Michael Scott

        ” Should there be concern for Parker recent skid?”
        He’ll always be streaky, most power hitters are. He must go slappy.
        If KT is “Tommy”,I’d say that he needs to get off of slappy,and go big.
        I’m looking to Roberto Gomez to sneak in- that’s the only way he’ll get there
        Flat Iron Steaks-I slap ’em on the grill after I slap ’em around.

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      Seriously, is there a more hard headed sob than Peter? If he wants more HRs he should go watch AL games. The Giants are not going to hit enough HRs for him, ever.

      • Peter Johnson

        They already did, the Giants are known for HRs , they have a theme song all about it, know your history, Giants baseball did not start in 2010, some of you that jumped on Band Wagon think that, but it did not !

        • RobDeer

          God, I friggin’ love this.

          • Peter Johnson

            I loved the Bonds era, lots of posters on this blog do not , they think they are too pure to enjoy that era .

          • NW315°

            How do you know what I’m thinking?

          • Peter Johnson

            Cause your just like a lot of modern fans , think it is all about the rings , a lot of time that is luck .

          • Matthew

            It’s mostly about rings, Peter

          • Peter Johnson

            Nope it is about, seeing the greatest players , do great things , never seen before .

          • Matthew

            Like the rings in 2010, 2012 and 2014!

          • NW315°

            That is the losers’ excuse.

          • Peter Johnson

            Go tell Willie McCovey, and Juan Marichual they had use less careers .

          • NW315°

            And NOT A SINGLE RING….

          • Matthew

            Hey, don’t say bad things about Juan

          • NW315°

            I could bet a ton of bucks that Juan would have traded all his achievements and personal awards for a single ring …

          • Matthew

            Probably would… he’s still a Giant and got rings provided by our boys. My Forever Guy

          • NW315°

            Yep !

          • Peter Johnson

            Hall of Fame , and statues, you should have Larry Baer, tear the statues down, ok .

          • NW315°

            Winning is not the most important thing, dude. It is the only thing that matters.

          • Peter Johnson

            You want to win , but , the Brookes Conrads of the world help .

          • RobDeer

            It’s not all about the rings? Well, damn. Now I have to re-think everything.

          • Matthew

            Peter, most of us loved the Bonds era. ALL of us really love this championship era

          • Peter Johnson

            I enjoyed both, the 2002 team was just as good if not better then all 3 WS teams .

          • Matthew

            Until they weren’t,

          • Bapah

            I didn’t.

          • Matthew

            Your a sadist

          • RobDeer

            We need to start a PJPOTD. He demands his own category.

          • Matthew

            Power Company Post Of The Day, brought to you by you’re friend and mine!

          • Matthew

            Wait! New name:

            Euro Joke

          • Bapah

            It’s like arguing with Rainman’s understudy.

          • channelclemente

            Now that’s just mean. Funny, but mean.

        • NW315°

          What the Giants won after moving to the west coast and up to 2010?

          N O T H I N G.

          • Peter Johnson

            Your a joke, Ted Williams must of sucked he never won a ring, Willie McCovey too .

          • NW315°

            Maybe I’m a joke. But at least I do not write “your” instead of “you are”. It’s a consolation.

          • Peter Johnson

            The old Grammar , when can not debate .

          • Michael Scott

            Peter, there is no debate, no one disagrees with you. WE ALL LOVE HRs!
            Give us something else. Or is this it?

          • RobDeer

            I hate HR’s. Every time we hit one, I think, well that kills our rally.

          • Peter Johnson

            Way more then that, the modern fan that thinks a player value is all about rings , pisses me off, teams need to have great luck to win rings, and 1 player has no control over that .

          • Michael Scott

            Obviously a guy can be a great player even if he doesn’t have a ring. But it’s unclear- what you do like about baseball?

          • Peter Johnson

            Watching great players do great things, like Timmy, Bum, Barry, Buster, get over your self .

          • Michael Scott

            It was just a question, Peter. Settle down. You are a coronary waiting to happen.

          • Old Man

            You say that like it’s a bad thing…

          • Michael Scott

            Listen, Old Man. I’m the Old Man around these parts and don’t you ever forget it.
            Now what was I saying? Give me a sec. I’ll ask someone.

          • Old Man

            Get off my lawn, kid.

          • Old Man

            Into the bin with you. You’re too stupid to continue reading.

          • Old Man

            The new grammar, for those who cannot read or write.

        • Michael Scott

          You da Man!

    • John Myhill

      It isn’t that I don’t appreciate HRs. It’s that the Giants have won 3 World Series while being at the bottom of the league in HRs. HRs aren’t the key to winning championships.

      • Peter Johnson

        Wrong, in 2010 , they were in the top 10 in MLB in HRs, in 2014 they were middle of the pack in HRs , even in 2012 they hit lots of Post Season HRs .

        • Lunch_Box

          So they also didn’t pitch themselves to those 3 championships? Yes 2014 pitching wasn’t as strong as the other 2, but I’d love to see the stats of homers they had in those post seasons.

          • Peter Johnson

            2010 Giants hit HRs in all 5 world series Games, something that was not done in years, your not a fan , by hurt I know them all, Uribe in Game 1, Renteria in Game 2, Torres and Ross in game 3, Huff and Posey in game 4, Renteria in game 5 .

          • Lunch_Box

            Because I didn’t know that the Giants hit homers in all 5 games, then I’m not a fan? Who put you as the designator of who is a fan and who isn’t? Get yourself off your paltry soap box.

          • Peter Johnson

            Mike, Scott .

          • channelclemente

            Barney, I’m told.

  • Alex (not Pav)

    I haven’t been able to see a lot of live games, but how does Hwang look? From all the press, it seems like he’s been a great clubhouse guy and so far there hasn’t really been any negatives except for just … a lack of history.

    • valleyfloorryan

      I’m in your boat. Haven’t seen him outside of KBO youtube highlights. Sounds like he’s giving the Giants every reason to roster him. Can he play a little bit of LF? Better than Morse I imagine. This could be a guy that could pop 20+ HRs for SF and have a respectable OBP and run the bases pretty well. He could be even better than Adam Duvall. Here’s hoping.

      • Matthew

        A cop stirs in the South Bay…,

        • valleyfloorryan

          I’m already thinking of the Tito’s with ginger ale and lime I’ll be stirring up for the WBC finale. Stuff is so clean and good. You must know this, but the neck of the bottle comes with a collar that tells you the Wine Spectator rating is 95, easily greater than Ketel One and Absolut or whatever.

          You guys are stirring up too much trouble with Peter.

          • Matthew

            Raise your glass to Tito Beveridge!

    • DrLefty

      I saw him in action several times when we were in Scottsdale nearly two weeks ago, and he made a good impression. Good pop, good energy, good hustle. We only saw him play 3B, and he has a strong arm and seems to know what he’s doing out there.

  • DrLefty

    Oh boy. Nunez is having shoulder problems again.

    Hwang is definitely going on my Mar. 25 roster.

    • RobDeer

      Really? The Nunez part, not the Hwang.

      • DrLefty

        Yep. Took a cortisone shot, out at least a few days.

    • Matthew

      I’m over this injury bullshit. My goodness

    • valleyfloorryan

      Again? Wasn’t he having hammy issues last year?

      • Lunch_Box

        Took him out of the playoffs, that’s fosho.

    • Kramerica

      Well, silver lining is Hwang should make the roster and get some starts. How’s his D at 3B? If he’s anything like Kang (aside from, you know, the horrible character flaws) that would be a huge boon for the Giants.

      • DrLefty

        He looked good at 3B to me. I saw one play that was not so great and another that was very slick. Rob Deer saw him look good at 3B, too.

    • Lunch_Box

      I’m happy that there is depth at third base this season.

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      Can you guess who I am? See, I told you Arroyo was going to make the big club this year.

      • Michael Scott

        With Nunez, Gillaspie, and maybe Hwang ahead of him, he should be looking to LF. And wear a helmet- it’s dangerous out there

    • Michael Scott

      I think that you are overlooking Beckham. Granted, he was hitless today, but from looking at the box score, I’d have to conclude that he was a tad unlucky. All Spring.

      • DrLefty

        Yes. I’m overlooking him. 🙂

      • Bapah

        Like getting picked off by not paying attention?

        • Michael Scott

          Are you drinking anti-freeze again? It was a joke.

          • Bapah

            I don’t care. I was saving the line for anyone that said Beckham in any context. I don’t even know what you said other than Beckham.

          • Michael Scott

            I said that he was a good bongo drum.

  • Matthew

    ATTENTION: Due to a petition started by a long standing member of the TWG community, it has been decided that Home Runs (Homers, Bombs, Round Trippers) are approved for public acceptance when hit by any member of the San Francisco Giants Baseball Club.

    The petition has been put into the official record as the Peter Appendage

  • valleyfloorryan

    Not that spring ERAs’ mean a whole lot, but isn’t Cain’s “better than” Shark’s?

    • DrLefty

      Yes. But Shark had a good 2016 and is signed for the next four years. They’re not in the same boat.

  • DrLefty

    Alex’s postgame points out the evidence that Cain is the fifth starter despite how horrible he’s been this spring–most notably, that they’ve stretched him out and haven’t given Blach the chance to do that.

    I am brutally disappointed in the team over this. It really is only about money and Cain’s ego. Very disheartening.

    • Lunch_Box

      Agreed. Winning a spot is not based on performance but $$$. Cain should have just stayed home the whole ST, and just reported straight to Phoenix for Opening Day.

    • Kramerica

      The most frustrating part is everybody knows what the best baseball decision is, yet we all knew this was going to be the result. Watching Cain get smashed around for the first month or two is going to be agonizing.

      • DrLefty

        For him to make even one start this season is absolute malpractice, and everybody knows it. They are choosing to lose games on purpose. I don’t respect that. Fans deserve a team that at least gives its best effort to win.

        • Kramerica

          I’ll probably get grilled for saying this, but as much as I hate the Dodgers there is no way they’d let this happen. This is a cheap, small market move by a big market team. And it’s going to cost them wins.

          • DrLefty

            I hate to admit it, too, but the Dodgers are going about their business with a lot more smarts than the Giants are right now.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            There are Dodgers fans that would disagree. They call their GM FAZ. And aren’t impressed with the track record of signing guys like Kazmir, McCarthy, and Anderson.

      • channelclemente

        If it’s as brutal as you surmise, Cain will be boo’ed in the House he threw a Perfecto in. That would be sad indeed.

        • DrLefty

          Oh, I can’t believe that would ever happen. Lincecum was never booed. Ever.

          • channelclemente

            Cain isn’t ‘Timmy’.

          • Michael Scott

            Well ,so far Matt does have a job.

          • channelclemente

            Yep. On we stagger to our destiny.

          • Michael Scott

            What is Timmy doing these days? Driving a cab?

          • channelclemente

            Apartment renovation it’s rumored.

          • Michael Scott

            I’ve heard that he went through all his money, scammed his Mom on his way down and…wait, that was Rumeal Robinson. I always get them confused.

          • channelclemente

            Doesn’t Trump have an unattached daughter.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            wow – that’s a name from NCAA past.

          • Michael Scott
      • Michael Scott

        A decision hasn’t been made yet,

    • Lunch_Box

      New question: will and when is Cain going to be Aaron Rowand’d in the regular season? Before or after the ASG?

      • Efrain

        B4

        • DrLefty

          That’s still about 15 games they’d be flushing down the crapper. 🙁

    • Michael Scott

      I’m still betting a Jumbo ( i.e.- small) bag of popcorn that he is not on the 25-man on opening day.

    • channelclemente

      ‘Alex postgame’ is hardly an unassailable POV.

      • Mr. Sarcastic

        Exactly… What do those stupid beat writers who are with the team every day know?
        They think they’re so smart with their player access and locker room interviews.
        A pox on the lot of them!!

        • channelclemente

          Gosh, imagine my surprise.

  • DrLefty

    Baggs has newer detail about Will Smith:

    Smith will see Dr. Neal ElAttrache at the Kerlan-Jobe Clinic in Los Angeles as he gathers information before making a decision about how to treat his sprained elbow ligament.

    While a UCL sprain used to mean an automatic Tommy John surgery, doctors at the Kerlan-Jobe Clinic have been at the forefront of a procedure that involves taking bone marrow from the hip and injecting stem cells directly into the ligament. Angels pitcher Garrett Richards avoided Tommy John surgery when he was shut down in May of last season, and reportedly is throwing 98 mph this spring.

    However Smith and the Giants choose to proceed, the club expects to be without the left-hander for several months at the least.

    • channelclemente

      Stem cell treatment is pure BS.

      • Bapah

        Hold on there, Sonny Boy. I’m afraid you haven’t been keeping up.

        • channelclemente

          For ligament damage. Go read a bit about deoxypyridinoline cross links formation and strength of collagen. Stem cell treatment may be useful some places, but this sport injury stuff is unproven, IMO.

          • Bapah

            Actually, ACl accelerated repair has been done for some time. I’ll try to craft an intelligent response, but it may take a bit. I’m doing some other things, right now.

          • Michael Scott

            The antifreeze?

          • Bapah

            Anterior Cruciate Freeze

          • 610nm

            Is “doing some other things” a euphemism for sniffing at the turpentine again?

          • Bapah

            Turps is banned in CA except for specialized purposes. I use it for all my varnish finishes. I have a connection. We run it in from Arizona.

          • channelclemente

            Do you refinish furniture.

          • Bapah

            Used to in my spare time. I’m too old to have any of that anymore. At my age there is no time that’s spare.

          • channelclemente

            Long live Formby’s Tung Oil.

          • 610nm

            An unexpected response. Probably most volatile organic compounds are taboo there. It never crossed my mind, living here.

          • Matthew

            Hey! This is a baseball blog, not a deodatoxenedrinefallopiantube blog.

          • Bapah

            Take a moment and elaborate on just how you and Pete are related?

          • Matthew

            I’m not sure he can decode my combo above…he’s never listened to music.

          • Michael Scott

            I think we need a graph.

          • channelclemente
          • Michael Scott

            You know what’s cool? You only need one graph.You can use the same one for everything.

          • channelclemente

            I actually posted the wrong crosslinking element, sorry. The right one.

            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Pyridinoline.png

          • 610nm

            One more OH for our mysterious visitor from Seattle or other points northwest.

          • NW315°

            Mistral. Blowing FROM 315°.

          • channelclemente

            The structure is, more or less, from Simon Robins in Aberdeen, as I recall.

          • NW315°

            Wow, how many beautiful hydroxyl groups.

          • channelclemente

            One?

      • Michael Scott

        It can be a stinky procedure.

      • Mr. Sarcastic

        Exactly! What do those stupid doctors with their fancy “medical techniques” know?
        They think they’re so smart with their degrees and cutting edge science.
        A pox on all of them!

        • channelclemente

          At times you should read the literature as opposed to jumping into a complex issue with sarcasm. Enjoy.

          • Bapah

            I do it all the time.

          • channelclemente

            I wasn’t referring to you, now was I.

          • Bapah

            No. I just volunteered a confession.

          • channelclemente

            No cracker for you today. Maybe wine later?

          • Michael Scott

            You have spied on busty naked women? You must show me the pictures, my son.

          • Mr. Sarcastic

            You should probably forward your research material to the Giants team doctors. It could save them a big mistake down the road apparently…

          • channelclemente

            It’s not a mistake, it’s a very low probability shot in the dark. I suspect, were he allowed, he’d tell you there is maybe a 1/10 chance it works. But given the option and circumstances, it isn’t hard to understand the move. Just don’t get your hopes up. It is almost a certainty the team doctor doesn’t know anything about collagen biochemistry, much less what molecular modification of collagen that impart its strength and flexibility. Let’s hope the Doc who runs the stem cell program does.

          • The Oracle

            I just got off the phone with my Giants medical sources. They were told about your comments and were excitedly getting ready to look into the points you raised when one of the doctors said to the other “hey, isn’t that the guy who said Duvall just had a lucky month and it was all over for him?” The other one replied “oh, yeah…that’s right,” at which point they went back to what they’d been doing.

    • Michael Scott

      He should be ready by Christmas.

      • Old Man

        HE CAN PLAY IN THE SUPER BOWL!!! Oh, wait…

        • Michael Scott

          ” You don’t know me….”

          • Bapah

            It’s probably Footy

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            i’m either in the hills or the valley, nothing in between, nothing else.

          • Matthew

            Man on the silver mountain?

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            not that evolved yet

          • Old Man

            Nor do I want to.

          • Michael Scott

            Put your teeth back in and we’ll talk.You lost them? Have some strained peas.

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      Javy Lopez, come on down!

      • Matthew

        Josh Osich, stay right here!

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          Has he shown enough to make it? Are his mechanics in order? Commanding zee ball?

          • Matthew

            Better than a retired 39 year old that hasn’t thrown a baseball in 6 months…and, dare I say, better than our $22 million #5. Osich has incredible, untamed stuff

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            I wonder if Matt Reynolds is better than Javy? And if Javy is throwing some pens in camp as his analytical mind assesses the situation?

  • steve k

    yelich is a baseball player. period.

    • Matthew

      I thought he also moonlighted as a body double in Robbie Benson movies…?

      • steve k

        the next RB movie i see will be my first.. there is an abba song i like though

        • Matthew

          There was one where he played a young priest hearing the confession of Burt Reynolds….epic.

          • steve k

            he must be a better actor than i thought if he was convincing as a priest with that baby face..

          • Matthew

            The End…google the confession scene after the WBC

      • Sgbssfg

        I’m just glad his Mom signed the permission slip to join the team. I could have sworn he’s going for his baseball merit badge,

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      got those long strides – nice swing for tall guy. he’s the real deal

    • Michael Scott

      You sound pretty sure of that.

  • Matthew

    Umps are blind

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    All these blond Puerto Ricans are tripping me out…

  • Matthew

    Posey woulda had that

  • Sgbssfg

    Just started watching. Did they explain why the “home” team is stuck wearing the ugly gray uniforms? Did PR conveniently lose theirs? Was Chris Sales involved?

    • Puerto Rico is the home team. Even tho they’re away and the US is home. Better seed got the bottom half of the inning.

      • Sgbssfg

        Gracias.

    • Matthew

      US is away … not sure what dictates that

      • Sgbssfg

        See Crawfish Joe below. I trust this forum to come up with answers.

        • 610nm

          Mixed in with drollery like your Chris Sales reference.

        • Matthew

          I was gonna make a demographics joke, but that might have upset someone….so, let’s go with a crawfish platter

      • Seeding in this case. But WBC has a lot of tie breakers for seeding too, just in case. As with any level of baseball tournament play, seeding is big.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    When Stroman’s got it going on, he’s ultra tough. Superior bullpen too. Advantage USA.

    • Sgbssfg

      And for a ground ball pitcher, stellar infield.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        Don’t let Carlos Correa beat you. Scary right now.

    • Love the way he mixes up his timing on his deliveries.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        wonder where he learned that from?

      • Bapah

        He’s turning Japanese, he’s turning Japanese.

  • Bapah
    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      I’m more interested in what Lindor has going on.

    • Sgbssfg

      Es muy hermoso.

      • Sgbssfg

        He’d look good in a Ronald Mc Donald wig.

        • Matthew

          Special sauce, lettuce and -obviously – cheese

    • Matthew

      Looks like a stringy swim cap

  • Yeah!!!

  • Matthew

    Kaboom

    • 12xu

      Santa Maria!

      • Matthew

        Goleta!

        • 12xu

          AzUSA!

          • Bapah

            That’s how the city was named.

  • Matthew

    Posey woulda had that, too

  • Bapah

    I sure hope Giants’ pitchers are going to school on the way they’re pitching to Arenado.

    • Andres The Forever Giant

      I haven’t seen all the ABs; how are they getting Arenado out?

      • Strike three.

      • 12xu

        I don’t know which pitches they’ve thrown him overall in this tournament but that last pitch sequence was:
        77 mph curve (swinging strike)
        90 mph 4-seam FB (swinging strike)
        80 mph curve (ball)
        87 mph slider (swinging strike 3)

        • Bapah

          It’s more location than type of pitch for Nolan. Outside-movement

          • Andres The Forever Giant

            Thanks for the insight! I wonder too, since he hasn’t played in many meaningful games for the Rox, if Arenado has been overwhelmed and simply trying too hard to hit 5-run homers with no one on base!

          • Bapah

            He’s a very good player that just isn’t seeing the ball very well. I wish he was on our team.

          • Bapah

            We have his little brother in the minors and Nolan tweeted BC directly to come play on the US team. “It’ll be fun.”

        • channelclemente

          The kitchen sink.

    • 12xu

      Maybe he’s hit his career peak and it’s all downhill from here.

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      catch him when his timing is off. I think that’s the lesson.

  • Sgbssfg

    I didn’t know Eminem was from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 , much less pitched.

  • Matthew

    Given the hair bit, I think they should be called:

    The Puerto Rico Lochte’s

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Giants may be better off that the Dodgers didn’t somehow acquire Kinsler rather than Forsythe or that Twins’ 2B.
    Guy is a player. One of the very top 2Bs.

    • DrLefty

      I don’t know much about Forsythe except that he was a nonentity for the Padres and then had a couple nice years with the Rays. Kinsler’s been a stud for years and years. Yeah, I’m glad he’s not a Dodger. Don’t know yet if I’m un-glad the Forsythe is.

  • 12xu

    When the Blue Jays came to AT&T last season, didn’t Stroman pitch a great game?

  • Matthew

    There’s a guy up in the Puerto Rico bullpen in the 4th…there were 2 guys up in the 3rd…

    Vasgersian ” their bullpen has been quiet for the most part”

    Santa Quatareyoutalkingabout?

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      I appreciate Morosi’s work.

      • Matthew

        He’s a good dude.

        But….

        The tourney has apparently outlasted his material. He’s told the same story on Gregerson 3 times, and Strohman’s Duke graduation at least twice.

        Maybe I shouldn’t watch every game.

        • channelclemente

          Makes appreciate K&K’s schtick a lot more.

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          You follow closely and don’t miss a thing. I approve of his offseason work more so. More so Morosi!

  • 610nm
  • Matthew

    Yup……Posey….woulda had that

  • Andres The Forever Giant

    Something I thought I’d never see: Arenado bunting!

  • Matthew

    Lindor. Wow

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      He’s no Crawford. (Tito’s and flat iron tacos and WBC over here, “Brocuz”)

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    Cutch is clutch

  • Com’on Craw.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    USA came to win. Not on our turf. Something like that.

    • Matthew

      Cliche on rye!

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        Among other caveats, Orwell inveighed against cliches in “Politics and the English Language”. I wonder if Lefty has read this. You?

        • Matthew

          Nope. But I’m taking it one book at a time.

    • livfreerdi

      Why are they the road team constantly? Didn’t spring for the white jerseys? I assume it’s based on record?

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    Crawfish!!

  • Matthew

    I ❤ Crawford

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      what did you think of Vaz’ comparison of Crawford to Klay Thompson?

      • Matthew

        I liked it

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          See, he’s not all bad 😉

          • Matthew

            Even a blind Vaz catches a Miller

        • Mr. Sarcastic

          I’m watching out of town in a hotel room in Seattle so all I get is ESPN2 which is broadcasting in Spanish. All I heard was blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Crawford!!!! blah blah blah

          • Matthew

            My Princess called and was watching up there on the deuce, but found MLB. Not available in the Marriott, eh?

          • Mr. Sarcastic

            Marriott? I wish…

          • Aahh. My neck of the woods. Well, more rain than woods. But plenty of woods about 90 minutes north.

          • DrLefty

            You’re in the wrong hotel. The Sheraton gets MLB Network!

  • Crawdaddy. Atta babe.

  • Doughnut

    I miss seeing BCraw do that.

  • Matthew

    Baerga : “Don’t hit it to shortstop!!! Santa Maria!”

  • Michael Scott

    PR has to pick up a couple of runs so Melancon can get a save opportunity,

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    What the heck was that gigantic Universal sticker on the side of Molina’s helmet all about?

    • Efrain

      its a sponsorship, no need to get your panties bunched up.

      If you had paid attention every country had small stickers or patches of marketing sponsors.

      Better get used to it, in a couple of years when Under Armour takes over MLB uniforms it may opne door to more.

      • Matthew

        Need a hug?

        • Efrain

          always

      • Mr. Sarcastic

        You’re so sweet and cuddly!

        • Efrain

          😉

  • Matthew

    Lucroy frames pitches like a mime climbing an imaginary wall

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      IIRC, he has solid framing metrics. He’s no Buster Posey though.

      • Matthew

        He pulling a Hector tonight

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          Iman!

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    Crawford makes up for a weak at bat with turning all three outs in the inning. Nice!

    • Ties a MLB record.

      • Mr. Sarcastic

        LOL! Most outs in an inning!

        • Shared by many.

          • Mr. Sarcastic

            One of those records that will never be broken

  • Sgbssfg

    3 ground balls, 3 outs by BCRAW. Announcers, just who has a golden glove? Make that several golden gloves.

    • Efrain

      he does look ready for the season which is good to see.

    • Michael Scott

      If only…

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    Foothills rushing the mound for that…

  • Efrain

    Those Benecio Del Toro Heineken ads are fun and well done in Spanish, but are crap in English.

  • 12xu

    Craw!!!!

  • Sgbssfg

    And he can field, too.

  • Atta babe Crawford.

  • Matthew

    Bring in your stinking lefty. I laugh at you

  • Man he is fun to watch. Everything looks so smooth and effortless.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Japan – Japan – Dominican Republic – USA – ???

    Kinsler MVP? Crawford? Yelich?

    Stroman certainly worthy. Recall that in the loss he got roughed up in the first, but righted the ship and ate extremely valuable innings.

    • Sgbssfg

      Adam Jones would get my vote.

    • Mr. Sarcastic

      Crawford has a strong case for this game. Offense and Defense on display

  • steve k

    BC35 is going to have an enormous year

    • PerSpeier35

      What did he do?

      • Matthew

        Two run single off a lefty to make it 6-0… hitting .400 for the tourney and fielding like a salsa dancer

        • PerSpeier35

          Well alright.

        • Bapah

          Nice. Whatta color guy

    • 12xu

      He’s going to have a HUGE year! The best year ever!

  • Jacob Singer

    Craw & Cutchen!

  • Andres The Forever Giant

    MV Santa Marie-d himself again!

  • Sgbssfg

    Does the mercy rule apply in the final game?

    • Matthew

      Specifically, the Lord Have Mercy Rule does apply

    • 12xu

      Oh mercy, mercy me.
      Things ain’t what they used to be.
      — Marvin Gaye

    • Matthew

      You hear that? NO Mercy!

    • 12xu

      Only in the 1st and 2nd rounds of the tournament:
      “EARLY TERMINATION FOR LARGE LEADS
      The umpire-in-chief shall call a regulation game in the First and Second Rounds of the Tournament and award the victory to the Federation Team that is ahead whenever:

      »» such Federation Team is ahead by 10 or more runs after any complete inning, beginning with the completion of the seventh inning; or

      »» such Federation Team is ahead by 15 or more runs after any complete inning, beginning with the completion of the fifth inning.”
      https://www.worldbaseballclassic.com/info/rules

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    I think all the peroxide is starting to have bad side effects..

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    I think all the peroxide is starting to have bad effects..

  • Matthew

    That was your Vasgersian Misjuged Fly Ball Hernia Call of the Night, brought to you by the Santa Maria Visitors Bureau

  • Andres The Forever Giant

    Of course, Pagan gets the first hit!

  • Jacob Singer

    Ex-Giant breaks up the no-no!

  • That’s too bad. But what a pitching performance.

  • steve k

    that kid threw some game, and he’s from the isle of long..

    • 12xu

      Massapequa?

      • steve k

        he’s about 40 minutes east of mass. it’s the next town over from me casa. how do you know it?

        • 12xu

          A buddy of mine is from there. But he hasn’t lived there for many years. Nice place?

          • steve k

            good place to grow up. look how good i turned out..

          • 12xu

            A Giants fan; what better judge of character is there?

          • Matthew

            …say the guy who linked an ABBA song

          • steve k

            i feel bad enough, didn’t need to be reminded. ice cold bro..

  • Bapah

    Moses Beltran looks like a grandpa.

  • Matthew

    Strohman with a personal suggestion for the PR dugout caught on camera. Nice!

  • Bapah

    I STILL hate the way Pagan catches fly balls.

    • It’s called ‘the snatch’. I think Tony LaRussa coined it. Or Ricky Henderson. It’s gross. I know. I hate it too.

      • paul in p.v.

        I wouldn’t mind seeing him fk one of those up, and give up a triple.

        • paul in p.v.

          But guess what – he’s not our problem anymore!

  • Matthew

    Edwin Rodriguez obviously read Bullpen Chronicles, by Bruce Bochy

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    According to Efrain, my bunched up panties think that Javy Baez is advertising for Kingsford Charcoal…

    • Jacob Singer

      I fear one day they’re just gonna full NASCAR & bury them in stickers.

      • Efrain

        It will start with the jerseys in 3 years having the UnderArmour logo on the upper right of chest of all uniforms

  • Man I get greedy. I really wanted to see Crawford hit a three run HR.

  • Matthew

    John Smoltz doesn’t know what Ben Franklin looks like.

    • So you’re saying he’s never seen a hundred dollar bill? Makes sense with all the credit and corporate credit cards out there.

  • Matthew

    Nothing says “we win!” like a cheesy Neil Diamond song

  • PerSpeier35

    Apparently I’m a bandwagon jumper. Haven’t seen a minute of the WBC, it’s been on the MLB network, right, and I don’t subscribe. However, just noticed it’s playing on ESPN 2 so I’ll watch the last inning. Good timing by me.

    • Matthew

      Peter thinks you hate the USA (PS, it’s on MLB Network in English)

      • PerSpeier35

        Yeah, that and baseball.

  • Marlins man is a funny guy.

  • just peachy.

    That is an ugly ass eagle statue thing.

    • Bapah

      They said Gregerson’s father made it and his team used to touch the beak before games. He gave it to the US team.

  • Brownie

    Is that a rooster?

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      Lol

    • JStreet

      Cock o the walk.

  • Jacob Singer

    ‘MURICA WOOHOOO!!!

  • 22’sSweetSwing

    That hat is UgLY!!!!

  • Matthew

    “My hair is ruined”….

    Get over it

  • Andres The Forever Giant

    Hooray USA! 🙂 Now hooray for getting our team back together!

  • That was a great ball game.

  • Matthew

    Leyland is a wonderful man

    • Andres The Forever Giant

      I knew he’d tear up, the last game JL will ever manage! 🙂

      • 22’sSweetSwing

        Now that is the way to go out.

    • Bapah

      I loved his pacing in the dugout, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth… He was definitely feeling it!

  • pacman68

    Congrats to Leyland, Crawford and Posey. Now let’s play some baseball.

    • Jacob Singer

      Amen.

  • just peachy.

    Haha, Buster looks like how I feel. “well, that was fun. now back to the good stuff.”
    https://twitter.com/AlexPavlovic/status/844775817817206784

    • just peachy.

      I’m just antsy to get to Scottsdale on Sunday. Is it the weekend yet?!

  • Wow. Adam Jones telling it like it is. Awesome. Wish he wore SF orange and black.

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      Nah,it is more fun when we win with guys no one else has heard of.

  • 22’sSweetSwing

    Let’s hope that this is the only celebration on that field this year.

    • DrLefty

      It’s been a looooong time since they had one there. Too bad there weren’t any Dodgers in it. LOL

  • John Victory Faust

    Hopefully Trump doesn’t twit something stupid about Puerto Rico and only then finding out that he’s their president too.

    • Brownie

      He’s a goddamn moron so I wouldn’t be surprised if that imbecile did. He is a travesty to the office of the President and to the US.

    • Jacob Singer

      I can see staff members sending him a memo in advance.

      • SurfCity

        Someone should have sent the memo to Ian Kinsler.
        This was part of his ‘modified’ comments where he was desperately trying to walk back his earlier mistake, but stepped in it again, making it clear he doesn’t know PR is part of USA:

        There’s nothing wrong with an American kid watching a Puerto Rican player and wanting to be like them, or a Puerto Rican kid watching an American player and wanting to play that way.

    • SurfCity

      Not as easy being happy for the American team after Kinsler’s comments claiming Dominicans and Puerto Ricans are too emotional and Jimmy Leyland saying the US team was trying to make America great again.

      • DrLefty

        Stroman tweeted something the other day about how the team won “for the culture.” It made me want to puke.

        • JStreet

          Uh huh.

        • PerSpeier35

          That is pretty dumb but while I didn’t watch the WBC (till the last inning, lol) I did see Baez and GM Cora on interviews after a win and both talked about the pride and joy of doing it “for their country.” And they were not talking about the USA. Is there any difference between the two?

          • Matthew

            For those that are in the “upset” mode, yes. The hair triggers over innocuous things are at the ready.

          • DrLefty

            Yes, I think so. “Culture” implies a narrower (and vaguer) set of assumptions than “country,” which has clear markers and boundaries (borders, a flag, an anthem, a passport, etc.). “For THE culture” (in a multicultural society) sounds like President Bannon code.

      • The Oracle

        Using the phrase “make America great again” is a bad thing?

        • SurfCity

          It can be. First, in an athletic competition where “America” means much more than the United States, it’s presumptive and not classy. Also, it’s current political implications mean “to make America white again.” Coupled with Kinsler’s remarks on the inferiority of non-US-team Americans who play baseball, it was a poor choice of words. I’d have rather seen Leyland disavow Kinsler’s remarks and lend the WBC more of an Olympic feel where all participants are honored.

          • JStreet

            Yep.

          • Peter Johnson

            You got to remember this blog is the Liberal capitol of the world, Left of Left .

          • The Oracle

            Make America white again? That’s in your head.

          • Matthew

            The players from both teams gathered in the middle of the diamond and hugged it out. It’s a competition, so there were some taunts back and forth. They seemed to have no real issues with each other. But to over-analyze statements and see them as jingoistic rather than as “baseball traditionalist” seems to me to be hunting for controversy

          • SurfCity

            I think maybe you’re over-analyzing “hugged it out” in order to paper over some real things that happened.

            Do you think Puerto Rico is part of the USA or not part of the USA?

          • Matthew

            I see them as “independent” in their residents attitude and culture, and only “part of the USA” in economic forces…But I admittedly haven’t studied it to give a learned response

        • JStreet

          It became a bad thing recently. Due to the disgrace of the one popularizing the slogan being investigated for involvement with Russian espionage and financial entanglements. His (former) associates are not exactly making us proud. So yeah, that slogan is a little tired.

          More to the point, if you start from the premise that America IS great, what’s this again BS about, really?

          • The Oracle

            Yeah. Don’t be too proud of your country. It’s rude.

          • Matthew

            J – I love you. I really do…but if you think one set of politicians is cleaner than the other with their ties to foreign slime balls, I beg to differ. The issue is who your media decides to expose.

  • 12xu

    Somehow, a Lucroy Hug doesn’t look as good as a Buster Hug.

  • The Oracle

    In 2016, the Giants made it into the wildcard game by finishing just one game ahead of the Cardinals, and finished four games behind the Dodgers for the division. Their margin of error is pretty thin. How many starts will Matt Cain make in which their chance of winning will be greatly reduced? For those in the “give him a chance” camp, will you be fine with that chance if they end up missing the post season by a game?

    • giantc

      Couldn’t agree more. I have been making this point too — the Giants have given Cain plenty of chances the last three years. I don’t see how continued failure on his part benefits him or the Giants. The Giants have better options and can’t be giving games away every fifth day.

      • The Oracle

        He’s pitched very poorly when he has appeared over the past two seasons, and he hasn’t shown anything different this spring. There’s no reasonable basis for believing he’s going to suddenly turn back into a quality starting pitcher, and that’s the only thing that should matter. He’s had an excellent career, and in return the Giants have treated him well. He doesn’t “deserve” a spot in the rotation because of sentimentality or the amount of money they’re paying him.

    • SurfCity

      He has the potential to be this year’s Santiago Casilla spoiler.

    • DrLefty

      Preach

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      You really think the 5th starter will more of an impact on the final record than an unproven LF? 1 guy plays nearly every game and the other only every 5th! I guy will eventually be replaced with an unproven (likely better player) who will still only play every 5th game. The other will be average at best and may never be replaced by a better player AND WILL PLAY ALMOST EVERY GAME! Cain won’t be the reason they don’t make the playoffs. Injuries and poor management will play a bigger part than than the 5th starter. All that being said, Cain will certainly be as bad as we fear and he shouldn’t start more than 5 games because the margin for making the playoffs is so thin.

      • SurfCity

        As to you comparison, I’m not sure that one negates the other. Both can be bad for the Giants!

        Why should he start 5 games though? I don’t understand how you can simultaneously conclude that Cain will be as bad as we fear and that he should still start.

        • PerSpeier35

          Everyone knows that Cain is out of gas and is no longer a major league caliber pitcher, he’s only going to get this last chance because of sentiment. I wonder though, won’t it be worse for him to make five or six starts, get bombed and let his teammates down and then lose his role or just get it over with now and not further damage his history and career stats?

          • DrLefty

            I just don’t believe that his teammates want to watch him get knocked around like batting practice, either for his sake or for theirs. Sentiment only goes so far. It didn’t sound like there were any “sentimental” feelings about Casilla or Pagan by the end of last season. Despite their years with the team, they were over it.

          • SurfCity

            My question is on how many last chances. What have these last few seasons been? I’m not sure it’s sentiment, but you can make a good argument for it. I think management is just blinded by the money they’re paying him. As for your question, I’m not sure which would be worse for him — that’s a tough question. But I think the team will incur more losses the more he pitches. But my fear is the team management won’t be satisfied until it reaches Santiago Casilla levels, which was a major factor that hurt them last season.

      • The Oracle

        The players they’re looking at in LF are guys they hope will produce, but whether they will or not remains to be seen. Cain, on the other hand, is a proven commodity. It’s clear that he’s going to be bad. But no matter what other questions there may be, does that excuse throwing a guy out there every fifth day who’s no longer capable of doing the job?

        • 22’sSweetSwing

          I don’t know, anything less seems insulting to him based on how they treated Timmy and Zito. It could not be more clear that this management team doesn’t believe in kicking a pitcher (not named Vogelsong) to the curb. Maybe you missed my “every team loses 60 games” explanation earlier, but it appears that they think it is better for the team overall to give him a few games to ease out of here. Is it logical? barely.

          • DrLefty

            Here’s how I think their logic goes:

            1. Cain used to be really good.
            2. We’re paying him a lot of money.
            3. Since we’re paying him a lot of money whether he’s good or bad, doesn’t it make sense just to see if we can get something out of him this year?

            I didn’t say it was good logic, but I think that’s how it goes. See Zito, Lincecum, Hudson, and Peavy.

    • John Myhill

      I know. I’ve been saying let’s give Cain a chance to lose the job during the season for team morale, but your point is undeniable. They managed to beat Syndergaard in the WC game but it’s much better to skip that.

  • RobDeer

    Don’t think I’ve seen it mentioned on here but in Pavs’ story earlier he pointed out that due to the Giants schedule, they could opt to use their #5 only twice in the first twenty games. Basically, games against SD and AZ and then a stretch where they wouldn’t have to use whoever it is for bit so if Cain is the starter and those first two starts don’t go well, they’d have some time to recalibrate. I don’t expect this to make people happy but I consider it a mild blessing.

    • PerSpeier35

      Rob I can’t remember a time, and there have been many opportunities over the years, where Bochy has taken advantage of the schedule to skip the weakest link in the rotation. Maybe he skipped Zito when he was pitching so poorly. Anyway, I guess he just wants to keep the top four better rested or maybe feels it’s better not to slight the number five. Especially if he’s a revered vet such as Cain.

      • DrLefty

        That is a great point. With maybe one or two exceptions, which nearly always involved Bumgarner, he’s always given the starters the extra day if there was one. Not disagreeing with him doing that, either–just that your point is valid.

      • RobDeer

        That was my first thought when reading Pavs article. The Giants always take advantage of the extra days for their staff.

    • DrLefty

      Yeah, but what a weird argument: Let’s put Cain in the #5 spot, even though he’s had a “horrible spring” (Schulman) and been ineffective for years–because thanks to the schedule, we won’t actually need to use him much!

      How does that even make sense, when you do actually have alternatives you don’t have to “work around”?

      Also: AZ has some bats, so it’s not like throwing Cain against them is a cakewalk.

      • Matthew

        It’s the Kathleen Turner Effect…I’m telling ya.

        He’s toast

        • DrLefty

          Schulman sure thinks so. He’s openly questioning what the Giants are doing. Interesting how different his take has been from Alex’s, but I guess Alex does work for the network partially owned by the team.

          • Matthew

            and what we never know (I’m sure it’s very hard for some of these reporters) is how close the player and reporter have become over the years. They’re human. When i read Alex’s take on Matt, I keep seeing “I really like him”.

            They TRY to always be objective, but their bias – both positive and negative (cough…cough…Baggs – Romo, Pagan) comes through

          • DrLefty

            I was on a panel of journal editors yesterday here at my conference, and one of the audience questions was “How can you be sure editors aren’t biased against a particular topic? How can you ensure objectivity?”

            Some of the other editors said “Blah, blah, an opinion is not necessarily ‘bias,’ each article has several reviewers,” etc., but when I got the mic, I said “You can’t. This isn’t a math problem, and we don’t feed journal submissions into a computer and come out with an answer (publishable/not publishable). Journal editors have risen to their positions because they’re professionals and successful scholars, and at some point you have to trust the process, but let’s not kid ourselves. The process is subjective, and we’re human beings.”

            Same goes for professional journalists.

          • Matthew

            BOOM

          • valleyfloorryan

            I imagine Lefty is a big time mic dropper at conferences and seminars.

          • John Victory Faust

            It begs the question, is the organization consciously fostering an environment that is above and beyond the industry norm of being super loyal to their honored veterans, ala every last chance given to Zito and Timmy, as an example for younger players and potential free agent recruits of the quality of the organization or are they merely squeezing out the value of their investment to its last nickel?

          • Matthew

            both?

      • Baldheadslikk1

        MC should just be released he’s been a wonderful Giant but he’s completely done and it’s sad!

  • John Myhill

    Williamson is now outhitting Parker .324 to .267 and outslugging him .559 or .556. Parker also has a staggering 15 J’s in 45 ABs vs. 7/34 for Williamson. On the other hand, Parker has 7 BBs vs. only 2 for Williamson. I still think Williamson is better but with 4 HRs and 12 RBIs I’m less comfortable exposing Parker to waivers than I thought I would be. Hard to deny they should both be on the 25-man roster. But then who isn’t? Gillaspie has to be. Hundley has to be. Marrero and Hwang are just crushing the ball, how do you send them to the minors? And someone has to be able to back up Crawford at shortstop.

    • Matthew

      with mac’s injury, they delay the decision…but i think BOTH should be on the team

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Lies lies lies and damn statistics.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    I was curious how Crawford has compared to a few of the other middle of the order hitters for the Giants in “high leverage” situations.He has performed better than his career norms, especially the last two seasons. He’s been Mr. RBI for a reason. Posey has been outstanding in high leverage. Belt has been below his norm. Pence is about on par.

    Crawford: 355 PAs, .271/.343/.428, 103 wRC+, 10.7 BB%, 19.4 K% (125 and 106 wRC+ in ’16 and ’15 respectively for high leverage situations)

    Buster Posey: 437 PAs, , .316/.412/.493, 142 wRC+, 14.6 BB%, 13.5 K%

    Brandon Belt: 332 PA, .274/,.369/.395, 115 wRC+, 12.3 BB%, 25.9 K%

    Hunter Pence: 649 PA, .302/.355/.486, 125 wRC+, 8.2 BB%, 19 K%

    What defines “clutch”? Hard to pin it down, hard to prove its existence beyond a doubt. But I think that we intrinsically know Brandon Crawford has it. He has the ice water in his veins. The dialed focus. The shortened stroke, direct path to the ball. It’s like he brings the wizardry of his fielding to the plate in those pressure filled instances. Eighty-four RBIs two years in a row; maybe he tops 90 this year. Sure looks good and ready to go right now.

    • DrLefty

      The problem with your analysis is that neither Belt nor Crawford has typically or even mostly been a “middle-of-the-order hitter.” Think of how many years Crawford hit eighth. It matters where you hit in terms of opportunities with runners on base and the way you get pitched. Pence and Posey have pretty much always, with brief exceptions (Pence’s odd little era as lead-off hitter in 2014, Posey’s early rookie ABs) been in the 3-5 positions.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        A little White Out can take care of that “problem”. I, too, strongly feel that hitters in the middle of the order are pitched differently and that hot hitters become targets. Don’t let this batter beat you – don’t give him anything good to hit. But, this is the best “high leverage” analysis I can provide. I actually prefer this to looking at splits for RISP, 2 outs RISP, etc.

        Off topic, are you familar with George Orwell’s “Politics and the English Language”? Required reading in any classes?

        • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

          *prefer

        • DrLefty

          Yep and yep to your last questions. When I was directing the first-year writing program, we had one language/literacy narrative assignment and various readings exploring writing and language. Orwell’s was one, as was Amy Tan’s “Mother Tongue,” Stephen King’s “Write or Die,” Anne Lamott’s “Shitty First Drafts,” and one or two others.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Joy Luck Club ! I remember that from freshman H.S. honors English class. Those Mah-Jong tiles.

          • 610nm

            Hey! My real life name is NOT Anne Lamott!

          • DrLefty

            My mom actually lives in the same neighborhood as Anne Lamott in San Rafael (Marin County, north of SF). They see each other out on walks sometimes.

            Students LOVE that essay. Takes the pressure off “getting it perfect the first time” and illustrates that writing (well) is an iterative process. They were the ones in high school who wrote the whole paper the night before and still got A’s, and it’s a shock to their little systems when they realize they have to up their writing game in college.

          • 610nm

            I have been thinking about this a bit this morning. And found a very short PDF to download, and read. Is it just a very short essay?

            My first professional papers were written out longhand, handed to a typist, and we could then scribble changes in the margin or cut and paste with actual scissors and tape. But only about two more cracks at it, or the typists would rebel. So the long hand version had to be pretty good, and that of course created a lot of writers block.

            Word processing eventually led me to the same conclusion: get some stuff down, wait a bit, and go back and toss out all the rubbish, but often there’s some good stuff left behind.

      • 610nm

        Hitting 8th is a different kind of “clutch” situation, especially with two outs. You may be trying to drive in a runner, or if no one is on, get the inning to the pitcher’s spot so he isn’t leading off. These are kind of tough things to do, and Crawford was pretty good at it. I like how he has steadily gotten better at hitting, and even slightly slicker with the glove. Very nice he got more national exposure in the WBC.

      • 2holehitting

        You bring up what I have stated about situational hitting in batting order positions. This parlays into my comments on Belts approach in hitting as to why he is not a middle of the order RBI guy and not a #2 hitter. He looks for walks and as a result gets lots of K’s. I am not certain that the above is he is not looking for a walk but is laying off any pitch he is not looking for in the location he is looking at.

      • Michael Scott

        The 8 might be his best spot this year.

    • Michael Scott

      Nice try.

      • valleyfloorryan

        It’s better to try and fail then to never try at all.

        But stats are stats, conditions are conditions. Describing the attributes that create differences between conditions or among personnel is certainly not an objective measure. I would never pretend it is. These are my subjective takes, you can take it or leave it, you don’t have to be nice.

        • Michael Scott

          Unless you are also posting Foothills rye aka Lolium m., I wasn’t replying to you. Busted.

          • valleyfloorryan

            I am one and the same. Sorry for the confusion. I blame disqus and myself. Yessirree, full responsibility. Or is it half?

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Off topic, this Devin Nunes cat is actually “our boy”. He’s our local rep. I’d love nothing better for him to lose his seat as he’s been much more concerned with the teat of power and presently, cozying up to The D, rather that working for the interests of the valley and his constituents. Total absentee rep. Is it a Party affiliation thing? Well, former Fresno mayor Ashley Swearingin is republican and I think she did a great job. You’ll probably see her surface again in California politcis in the future. Very solid. Anyhow, I digress.

    • Matthew

      All the reps on both sides seem festooned to DC these days…especially during the busy sessions happening now, no?

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        I’ve got two tickets to the show at the Kabuki Theater, are you interested?

        • Matthew

          Nahhh….We live in a big giant one every day! No need to go to another…

    • Michael Scott

      It’s nice to have a personal water boy.

  • Baldheadslikk1

    The Giants must be the only organization in sports that will continually run crappy performances out to play year after year rather then parting with someone, its totally confusing to me! It’s as if loyalty matters way more then an actual decent performance my god.

    • 2holehitting

      Can you give me $10 or $20M to sit on the couch or play for a competitor?

      • Skweezplay55

        Yeah, if you help win two or three World Series first.

        • 2holehitting

          All I have to say about that is Aaron Rowand, The managing general partner lost his job over allowing him to be released.

    • Moooooooooose

      That’s why they’ve sucked so much the last 7 years!!

  • Matthew

    The question that will never be answered: Is there really any competition for the #5 starter?

    To me, it has always felt like it’s Cains spot. Period. And the organization trots out some distracting, deflecting quotes.

    Left field? Felt real. Back up infield? Well, I have my concerns, but feels a bit more real. But this 5th starter spot seems like a foregone ” loyalty to a great veteran” reward totally removed from any results.

    • DrLefty

      Schulman said “Bochy refuses to tip his hand” about the #5 starter, and, to the point about Cain being stretched out to start, specified that it’s the plan for Blach to get that chance, as well. So…maybe there is a competition. Maybe. They have to be legitimately conflicted about what to do at this point.

      • Matthew

        I’m only hoping that these performances are forcing this “reconsideration”

    • 2holehitting

      $28M says you are right.

    • valleyfloorryan

      “…trots out some distracting, deflecting quotes.”

      Enough about DC, politics, and Kabuki. Let’s talk some ball!

      I do feel that they have been more or less committed to giving Cain an honest regular season chance. It seems his Arizona problem has been the first inning of work in each outing. Having poor feel, getting his timing down. I’m sure they would like to see what he has to offer at see level for X number of starts. Then they have pretty nice contingency plans.

      • Matthew

        Because the last several years vindicate such an appr….

        Wait….the see level is “See the ball rocket off the bat at 110 MPH”.

        Cain was a GREAT Giant. Cain was a loyal employee and teammate. Cain broke down a few years ago. Cain is owed lot’s of money. Cain is not anywhere near the 5th best starter in this organization.

    • Noce

      So everyone can have a laugh, one possible outcome is Cain figures it out and has a 15-10 record. It could happen, Zito in 2012 ST 8 ERA, stayed behind when the team went to SF and the rest is history. Ok stop laughing. That’s the thing about baseball and the Giants with pitching. One never knows if the highly unlikely will happen.

  • Noce

    I read below where some are upset with Kinsler’s comments. I guess we could turn this into a race thing which is popular on this site. But I believe its more old school vs. new school. Hot Dogs put a bulls eye on themselves and get special attention when they do not perform. I will never be confused for a Dodger fan but I enjoyed watching that jerk Dennis Eckersley crawl off the mound in the WS. He also was lit up the Blue Jays during ALCS which I enjoyed.

    In recent years latin batters have been upset with Romo, the doyers called out Wilson. I believe Bum would agree with Kinsler. How many of you enjoyed Baez in the playoffs last year? I found the celebrations of PR over the top myself, but I am “Old School”.

    • DrLefty

      It’s a bit different when the teams are representing their own countries as opposed to all playing in the same league. I don’t see any reason why specific teams can’t be true to their own traditions in an international tournament. When you play with guys from a range of cultures, as in MLB, you have to figure out how to get along with different types of people.

      I don’t often agree with Efrain, but I do on this point: There are a lot bigger things to worry about than excessive celebration or joy.

      • Noce

        I must not have been clear enough. Old school says you don’t show up the other players. That is what angered the US team. It’s what I agree with. I could see Kinsler’s point that is was more the celebration it was in your face showing them up.

        • 2holehitting

          Old school stopped being in existence decades ago. Sometime around not allowing retaliations, giving warnings and allowing Barry Bonds to spin around at home after clobbering a home run.
          You learn by examples and the rules have been changed.

          • Noce

            I guess your not watching the likes of Bum, and others who play the game a certain way. I guess we have to agree to disagree, old school is alive and well in players who were taught the game by those who were old school.

          • 2holehitting

            Bum is a hot head firey competitor and a stupid hick. You may call it old school but his chronic going after hitters verbally and physically is not old school. If that went on in the old school days, he would have known he would be drilled and brushed back and head hunted to put him in his place. He does not have to worry about that these days so he goes up swinging for the fences every time.

      • Matthew

        Do you want them to play baseball, or worry about “bigger things”? They are entertainers. I don’t want to get lectured by an actor. Nor do i want to hear the opinions of baseball players about anything but baseball. Kinsler was talking about on-field actions in a baseball game.

        If you knew the leanings of guys like MadBum, Posey, Hudson, Peavy and others – as an example – you would be put off. But they understand they are baseball players. We pay to be entertained and watch them perform.

        Of course, each and every player – all human – all know there ARE bigger things. But, most know that those should be private matters in their profession.

        Ian Kinsler plays baseball a certain way. It’s his preference, and he commented on it. Nothing more, nothing less.

        • Efrain

          great line at the end. I have always loved Kinsler’s hard nosed game but I also love watching Baez. Neither is “wrong” or “bad” – just different expressions of a lovely game.

      • Efrain

        Thank you! Great take that this is on a global scale, the WBS is not for American baseball fans.

        If anything, I say they welcome showcasing the different styles of the game which on marketing and cultural level, only makes baseball richer and more enjoyable to watch.

        It was a successful WBC overall.

        My favorite memory will till be Baez celebrating before landing the tag, that was epic!

      • channelclemente

        LOL. You’re, I think, going to love this. Latent semantic analysis. You could teach a course around this. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dissecting-trumps-most-rabid-online-following/

    • Efrain

      You are right, it is easy to confuse, if one does not understand other races, culture vs New School and Old school. Latin ball players grow up in a culture and society were being demonstrative and emotional is accepted. IT DOES NOT MAKE IT WRONG. If anything, you could say it is old school for them.

      Do Giants fans remember Tito Fuentes? He had a lot of what people say “hot dog” in him Nothing wrong with that.

      Celebrating in the field for one’s country is only seen as wrong if one is a naive ignorant idiot.

      Ever watch Soccer on the global scale, how players celebrate goals? It’s the same vein, and fans eat it up.

      MLB needs to adjust and as a marketer, trust me it will.

      This WBC was well received, and the style made it fun. MLB has taken note of this as it wants to attract more than just old while folks.

      • Matthew

        Neither side is wrong. Different approaches are fine

        • Efrain

          Exactly! I love watching all soccer for example. It is much different watching a team like Brazil, Mexico, Columbia than say Germany, Holland, Sweden, etc. That’s what makes the World Cup fun, to see different styles as it is fun to see the different style baseball is played.

      • Noce

        Tito was a hot dog, but he was our hot dog. And yes there has always been double standard. But if you ask a fans a number of them would tell you they don’t like the antics of their own players. I’m not saying it wrong but I see how a player can express his dislike for it. Is Kinsler not entitled to his opinion? How many times did people roll their eyes at TO’s TD celebrations.

        This is not about right or wrong its about accepting differing opinions on how to act on a baseball field. In Soccer their old school would be to celebrate a goal, because of the rarity and its just how the game is played. Different sport, different country, different culture.

        I agree baseball has to bring in the younger fans, if they will come at all, but not at the expense of those paying the ticket prices now.

        • William Henri

          As a teen I used to tap the bat head on home plate and flip it like Tito as I was getting set in the box. Everyone knew it was Tito’s move!

  • Skweezplay55

    Is Derek Law hurt?

    • valleyfloorryan

      that would be really bad news. would be hard for bullpen to take two hits in the set-up department.

    • earlytimes

      why do you ask?

      • Skweezplay55

        Cause I’m curious. Does anyone know?

        • RobDeer

          Closed their game the other day. Never read or heard anything about an injury. Stop trying to jinx it. We have enough injuries.

          • Skweezplay55

            Thanks! Must have picked up a bad rumor.

  • paul in p.v.
    • Matthew

      Not in Seattle , huh?

      • paul in p.v.

        Nope – MX for a long while.

        • paul in p.v.
        • Matthew

          Enjoy the sunshine…

        • Bapah

          I thought you had MLB.TV. What’s up with that?

          • paul in p.v.

            Fk if I know. I’m getting all the mlb games. Technology.

          • Bapah

            But they were all there, side by side. How can they eliminate part of the menu. Even going to MLB.com had all games on their site.

          • Bapah

            What about the satellite option?

          • paul in p.v.

            Don’t have one, nor cable. We don’t watch teevee. I told you, we’re Luddites.

          • Bapah

            I have an extra dish, but people have them on their RVs and get reception wherever they go.

            I’m sorry you missed it. I wasn’t a fan when it first started, but became a convert once I started watching.

            How do you watch Giants’ games if you don’t have cable? What do you have, a dial-up service?

          • paul in p.v.

            I subscribe to mlb.com and stream on my mac. Now I can also stream to our teevee thru an apple-tv box.

            I’ve never really understood the difference between mlb.com and mlb.tv.

            After I get my 21-ft. Chinook I’ll swing by and scoop up your extra dish! :o)

            https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2001-Chinook+Rv-Destiny+24-121419061?zmc=search-alert-listing

          • NW315°

            Que viva Paulo!

          • paul in p.v.

            Amico? :o)

          • 610nm

            I suspect that, as well.

          • NW315°

            Seguro!

          • NW315°

            Fix the compass rose at 40°25’00N 19°00’00E take a 315° route and look at what city you find…The wind coming from 315° is call Maestrale, from latin Magistra maris, (The city that dominated the seas).

          • paul in p.v.

            p.s. Yes mlb.com listed the games – but when I tried to open I got a ‘blacked-out in your country’ message. Not a big deal to moi anyway.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Win or lose last night, I truly enjoyed the WBC.

    What surprised me…because I’m not an advocate of some of the celebrations in MLB…was enjoying the different baseball cultures being represented in a country v. country environment. I truly enjoyed the Japanese fans doing their thing against the US and seeing fans respectfully shaking each other’s hands after the game…something you wouldn’t exactly see after a Giants/Dodgers or Red Sox/Yankees game. Then you had the Puerto Rico fans doing their thing all the way through the game…even with their team down big.

    I’m still not down with the some of the celebrations in MLB, but I think…perhaps to Kinsler’s point…the WBC will create an environment of understanding for both sides of the equation. It will help the teams that celebrate at a level we’re not used to…understand how US players were raised to play the game, because of the history of MLB. It will also help US fans see how some of the celebrations they see in MLB came to pass.

    The “get off my lawn” in me feels that anyone coming to play in the MLB…and make the big bucks…still needs to respect the MLB history of the game and be sensitive/respectful of that. It may force change within them, but for that level of money, any one of us would try and change. This said, perhaps the WBC will open the door to some of the US-born players to start (and accept) celebrations more and it will slowly become acceptable.

    Just like many of the big issues we’re experiencing outside of baseball, our opinions/feelings are based upon what we are exposed to (via family/education/environment) as we grow into adults. Some people are willing to be open-minded enough to continue learning/growing and start accepting things they may not have in the past…and others will always stay in place with their thoughts/beliefs.

    I personally look forward to 5 years from now to see if I’m more accepting of these celebrations in a MLB setting and if the MLB players are too. Hey…getting older has to have some benefits, right?

    • Matthew

      Awesome stuff…

    • Bapah

      I thought PR’s postgame celebration and hanging around to congratulate the US guys was, if not classy, respectful.

      • Keep’n It Real

        I would 100% agree. My respect for Yadier Molina keeps growing and growing…

        • valleyfloorryan

          There’s Buster and there’s Yadi, and then there’s the rest.

          • Keep’n It Real

            Mic drop 🙂

          • valleyfloorryan

            There’s Bochy and there’s Leyland, and then there’s the rest.

            Shall I quit while I’m ahead?

          • Keep’n It Real

            You just had to pick that mic up 🙂

          • valleyfloorryan

            One more. There’s Jarrett Parker and there’s Mac Williamson…

            Giants are going to need to find that middle of order hitter come mid summer – especially if Hunter Pence’s “dog doesn’t hunt” (I’ve read that expression twice in the past couple of days!). He’ll come around, right?

          • Matthew

            Pence is an aging Jack Russell Terrier…he may have enough left to get one more mail-carrier-chase season

          • RobDeer

            He’s like Buscemi in The Wedding Singer.

          • valleyfloorryan

            You remind me of “Mr. Pink”.

      • Sgbssfg

        Both. Kudos to them.

    • Noce

      I don’t think because someone disagrees on one topic in one discipline, with varying degrees of intensity on the subject, you can call them closed minded and unwilling to learn and grow.

      • Keep’n It Real

        I wasn’t calling anyone, anything. I was making a general statement and there was no intent to call anyone, anything with my words. If that was your takeaway and it didn’t sit well with you, then I apologize.

  • Michael Scott

    Yay! Local TV tonight. But it’s just not the same without the ball dudes, gamer babes from Colma, fan selfies…
    A personal note-I have been to hundreds of baseball games and I have never snared a foul ball. If I ever get to a ballgame again and a foul ball lands near me, I’d whack grannies and rug rats to get that ball.I’d take it to my grave.

    • 610nm

      Go steal one from Surf Maui!

      • Bapah

        Big Mike doesn’t abide litigation. He might be in court for years.

        • Michael Scott

          I would hope that I’d get Judge Judy. After I take out the bailiff, she’ll get the caning that she so richly deserves.

      • Michael Scott

        He and George might be on a bender. Next post from George- preview of game 12 against the Rockies.

  • channelclemente
  • Matthew
  • http://www.closecallsports.com/2017/03/ejection-s-6-jordan-baker-haselman-1b.html

    HP Umpire Jordan Baker ejected Dodgers Coach Bill Haselman over an illegal equipment/glove dispute in the top of the 3rd inning of the Brewers-Dodgers game. With one out and one on (R1) in the top of the 3rd inning of the Brewers-Dodgers game, Dodgers second baseman Logan Forsythe was prohibited from wearing a first baseman’s glove, as in Rule 3.05, during a bunt situation in which first baseman Scott Van Slyke had strategically relocated closer to home plate in order to field a bunt attempt from Brewers batter Matt Garza; Van Slyke retained the first baseman’s glove for the duration of the play and inning in question, the call was correct.* At the time of the ejection, the game was tied, 0-0. The Brewers ultimately won the contest, 5-4.

  • Skweezplay55

    Who is going to play the OF? Span, Pence, Parker? How does Marrero look out there?

    • valleyfloorryan

      this is a darn good question.

      What will the distribution of games played look like at the end of the season? Will Hwang factor in? Will Mac Williamson get healthy and take over LF, or possibly RF? Will some surprise candidate like Steve Duggar log games late in CF late in the season? Will some guy playing with Detroit, Kansas City, or some other organization make his way to SF?

      • RobDeer

        Or does Oakland turn around and flip us Rajai Davis?

        • valleyfloorryan

          Before you can Keep it Real, you have to Get Real.

          • RobDeer

            Sorry. I knew I shouldn’t have broken into your house and stolen your GM hat.

          • channelclemente

            It was his volunteer firefighter chapeau you grabbed. It was dark.

          • RobDeer

            My woman loves it. First time we had sex in months.

        • channelclemente

          Gee, why not?

          • Michael Scott

            Because Billy would eat Haggis before he would deal with us.

          • RobDeer

            He’ll be Darren Lewis, part deux.

          • Michael Scott

            If we want better CF defense, Rajai is not the guy to look to.

      • Efrain

        yep, they will make a trade early in season.

        • valleyfloorryan

          early in-season trades are pretty rare. Even late June is considered early.

          • Efrain

            yes, I guess I meant by ASG

          • RobDeer

            Well, say what you mean for christsakes. Tired of you holding back.

          • Efrain

            lol, “the earliest a trade can be made!”

      • Michael Scott

        Gorkys seems to well on the way to playing himself out of a job, so 2 spots may have opened up. Even more than earlier, now they might be able to keep 3 reserve infielders ( Gillaspie, KT, and Hwang) .

  • channelclemente

    MLB power rankings per team, LF and RF.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-positional-power-rankings-left-field/

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-positional-power-rankings-right-field/

    In the LF listing is a particularly interesting paragraph (and graphic) about Gregory Polanco and what he did to change his swing and approach to improve his hitting and spray chart outcome.

    • valleyfloorryan

      Polanco one of my guys. Really dig his swing and his overall game.

      • channelclemente

        So do they. Smart and skilled ball player. The Giants write up in LF is grim, with terms like blackhole being prominent. I think Pence is about 3/4 of the WAR calculated for the entire outfield, all options.

        • Efrain

          blackhole……good way to describe the Giants Of situation. I can see a whole different OF in 2019 of guys not even on the team now, that’s how bad it may be if injuries get the best of Span and Pence.

          • channelclemente

            You may be right. It’ll be an interesting situation.

        • valleyfloorryan

          the whole outfield is kind of a dance with the macabre, no? Ain’t no Salsa in San Fran.

          At least the SF infield is one of the very best – pitchers, throw ground balls.

          I imagine Boston and Pittsburgh are credited with having the best outfields, with a nod to Miami as well.

          • channelclemente

            The Mets too.

          • valleyfloorryan

            They have bodies, that’s for sure. As to where and when to play them, that’s another matter. Shouldn’t they just let their best defender play CF, Lagares? Or will Grandy-man show that he can still do it?

          • RobDeer

            Not to be confused with Stephen King’s Danse Macabre?

          • valleyfloorryan

            I’ll be serious, that sounds like a good read. Are you a big horror buff?

          • RobDeer

            Nah but I’ve enjoyed my share of Stephen King. More his early stuff than recent. The Long Walk, one of four short stories from his Bachman Books, will always be one of my faves. The Running Man is in there, too. Nothing like the ridiculous Arnie movie they made. Though who doesn’t love watching Jim Brown show off his acting chops.

          • HaakAway

            25Man check … Ry I recall you updated your list, thought I recorded it but now I cannot see it. Could you point me to your updated list? I know you dropped JR as I did.

    • RobDeer

      Thank God. This room has gotten pretty musty.

      • I hate when the fellows only put new deodorant on after yesterdays….Eeeeesh

  • paul in p.v.

    “The pope didn’t have as good of a year,” said Joe Maddon. “After all, what we did last year was pretty special. Has the pope broken any 108-year-old curses lately?”

    http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2017/03/23/220534874/fortune-magazine-names-theo-epstein-worlds-greatest-leader

    Really starting to despise the Cubs.

    • Sgbssfg

      Madden is sounding Trumpish.