The Team We Thought We Had at the Beginning of the Season Shows Up, Thumps Rockies 9-2

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Greek Giant

We all forgot what that felt like.

Last night the Giants looked like the team that was 47-31 heading into the game: Jeff Samardzija was very good, Buster Posey was a hitting machine, BCraw had some big knocks and played spectacularly at short, etc.

That is the team we all thought we had.

This year has been a case study in the old adage: everything that can go wrong has gone wrong.

Maybe that dumb Rosenthal article fired them up? Maybe the Giants just got tired of losing.

One of the great mysteries of baseball and one of the most interesting aspects of its greatness is the psychological element. My father always says a manager’s most important job is to get the team ready to play psychologically. The players have to play and strategy is very over-rated.

I don’t want to analyze the failures of the season after such an impressive win. That would be in bad taste. This was a gratifying win not because the good guys won but because of how they won: hitting, pitching and fielding impressively at home in front of an adoring crowd against a very good team that has owned them the past three seasons.

That felt good.

  • paul in p.v.

    Breckeroni says, “Be the first to comment!”

    Who’s Breckeroni?

  • Crawford look in great form last night defensively. He had bounce, fielded great and threw hard strikes to first. And I say this because of late he’s been tires.

    • totalfan62

      That first inning bobble was un-Craw like, but after that he was brilliant.

  • Michael Scott

    The bad-
    1. We won
    2. The 1 thru 4 hitters had 10 hits and 6 RBI’s
    3. Smarge pitched well
    4. The bullpen didn’t suck
    5.No errors
    The good-
    1. There’s nothing good when we win a game
    So lets hope that Cain gets the shit knocked out of him and get this nonsense back to normal.

    • paul in p.v.

      Don’t have to worry too much about #1 (Cain getting the s**t kicked out of him). It’s a lock.

    • earlytimes

      Bochy must have screwed up something. His spit went sideways and nailed Bam Bam perhaps?

  • 12xu

    I went to the game last night and it was great to finally see a win again (I’m 2-3 on the season). The Giants played a crisp game in all phases. The weather was nice, t-shirt weather until the middle of the game. The crowd was definitely smaller than usual, I could notice it on my way in at the Willie Mays Plaza gate, where the lines were much shorter when I arrived at 7:00. Inside the stadium, there were a lot of empty seats on both the upper and lower levels. But in spite of this, the crowds were just as enthusiastic and loud. Having a lead, good defense (especially Crawford!), and timely hitting no doubt led to the raised spirits of the fans. It’s always cute to see kids shouting, “Let’s go Giants!,” at the hint of a Giants rally or an opponent’s threat of scoring. This leads me to believe that the Giants will always have a dedicated fan base, they foster their love for the team at a young age. It’s great to see youthful enthusiasm, before they get jaded, cynical, bitter and learn the intricacies of managing a 40-man roster.

    Even when the Giants are playing poorly, it’s always fun to go out to see them play; it’s a good escape from our daily lives, and we could witness something weird, dramatic or historic, such as a rookie third-baseman’s first MLB hit (which we would all like to see!). I’m sure that a lot of you here feel the same way too. And go Giants!

    • GSDUbs

      Yeah, well…my daily life has started to become an escape from watching the Giants.

      • DrLefty

        😂😂😂

      • DrLefty

        Surf Maui emailed me that the best thing about me being in Hawaii is that it’s hard to watch the Giants (blacked out). LOL

    • just peachy.

      Yes, it’s nice to see that we have more fans in the stands when we’re doing this bad than some other teams do even when they’re actually doing really well.

  • 2holehitting

    The Giants got 4 extra base hits in 1 game. That is as many extra base hits yesterday and they did in the entire Mets series.

    Don’t look now but Panik in the 2 hole and Span at the top are basically 280+ for hitting. That sure beats the anemic .225 they had there in Belt and whoever.

    In fact, the top of the lineup looks decent now 1-4 IF Pence can learn to get solid hits and not the 30 hoppers to third that barely get past the pitchers mound.

    The rest of the lineup though is still week hitting. I doubt the Giants can count on the top 4 getting 10 hits and setting the table the way they did

  • Michael Scott

    OPS for regulars
    1.Posey .959
    2.Belt .797
    3.Span .767
    4.Panik .753
    5.Nunez .737
    6.Pence .681
    7.Crawford .666

    Slater is .855. I left him out due to SSS.

    • paul in p.v.

      Yer man Span is raking!

    • DrLefty

      Yikes, Craw.

      • Michael Scott

        He’s always has somewhat extended slumps, but he can get hot and can carry the team. And he
        is driving in runs I expect a good second half.

        • totalfan62

          He had good, solid contact every AB last night. More of that, please.

      • Mr. Sarcastic

        That’s a devilish OPS

  • Michael Scott

    Slugging Pct. among regulars
    1.Posey .526
    2.Belt .451
    3. Span .435
    4.Nunez .413
    5,Panik .411
    6.Crawford .383
    7.Pence .374

    Again, I left out Slater due to SSS.He’s at .479

  • Mr. Sarcastic

    Attn: Crawnik, Dr. Lefty (unless still in Hawaii), and any other Sacramento area fans: Bumgarner pitching Friday night for the River Cats.
    http://www.sacbee.com/sports/mlb/san-francisco-giants/article158364219.html

    • DrLefty

      I will still be in Hawaii. We had tickets, which I gave to a younger co-worker who’s taking her three boys. They’re thrilled!

      • HaakAway

        Your RiverCat tix are more valuable than SFG tix right now. Seeing Bum is a fun gift to the kids that reminds me that even a lousy season has redeeming moments.

        • Sgbssfg

          There were tickets available yesterday for normal pricing.

    • crawnik

      I have tix for Saturday’s game.

  • Michael Scott

    Down on the farm- don’r ask.

  • earlytimes

    Beede had a solid start.
    Rosenthal speculates he altered his stretching routine and stopped talking to Slania.

    • DrLefty

      Poor Slania got demoted to AA a couple weeks ago–swapped spots with Andrew Suarez.

      • earlytimes

        What the heck happened to Big Dan?

        • DrLefty

          He was baaaaaaad. Getting hit really hard.

          • earlytimes

            Yeah. just don’t understand it. He looked so promising last yr.

      • crawnik

        I saw that. He’s one of MyGuy’s.

        • DrLefty

          🙁

  • Michael Scott

    Have a nice day, guys.

  • DrLefty

    Brisbee on Giants’ trade possibilities (spoiler: the only untouchables are Posey, Bumgarner, and Crawford): https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/6/27/15880654/sf-giants-trade-rumors-belt-panik-samardzija

    Jon Morosi of MLB.com on trade possibilites: http://m.giants.mlb.com/news/article/239020668/giants-expected-to-be-trade-deadline-sellers/

    • The Oracle

      When you have the talent shortage the Giants have, and you consider your three most valuable trade options to be untouchable, the future doesn’t look too bright. But I also don’t think Posey will want to spend what’s left of his prime playing on losing teams, so the way they see things now may be subject to change.

      • totalfan62

        The Contrarian Oracle.

      • Peter Johnson

        You are a little over the top and unrealistic on these trade options, The Giants are not the A’s, they will never trade everybody and go to a total rebuild . Giants fans like to know who they are watching , and the Giants like full stadiums and trading away all fan favorites will not be the smartest way to accomplish that .

      • Matthew

        I’m not sure that’s the proper plan…should the Angels have traded Trout because he’s their best asset and they haven’t gotten to the playoffs? Some “best assets” mean more to the team they are on, and our big 3 likely qualify

      • DrLefty

        I know you see it differently, but for me Bumgarner is untouchable. Crawford?–I’d be more inclined to keep Panik, if I had to choose. He’s four years younger and a better hitter. Not that I want them to trade Crawford, but Panik’s young, cheap, and good. I keep him.

        • Peter Johnson

          Crawford has a full no trade clause, He is from here , family from here, he is not going no where..

        • Foothills A-rye-o

          I’d move Panik in right deal. So many 2b types on farm plus Kelby and Arroyo. Position of strength

          • Mr. Sarcastic

            Not many with Panik’s RRC factor of +7
            (Rosy Red Cheeks)

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Is he a lush?

          • Mr. Sarcastic

            Rosenthal’s behind-the-scenes expose did not mention anything like that…

        • Much easier to find secondbaseman however….

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Yahtzee

      • Thus the people running the Giants – have no clue what they’re doing, says they Ol Great One from San Josie

  • just peachy.

    One of the K’s (Kuip maybe?) and Brisbee both chose Kelby as their player of the game last night, and for me personally, I’d have to agree. I mean the 8th inning was magic already, but Kelby’s baserunning and the steal ignited the fans even more. He superman’d even more energy into the momentum. It was awesome. Last night was just so fun!! I wish I could bottle it up and hold on to that feeling. Also, how do I get Therese’s job? Haha.

    • totalfan62

      Kelby was great. The SB was huge, and all on his own. As I said earlier, he executed the perfect “quality out” and it turned into an RBI double–his first extra base hit of the year. Maybe Peter will be a Kelby fan now!

      Kid can play anywhere, he’s fundamentally sound, he’s one of ours, and he’s cheap. What’s not to like?

      • Peter Johnson

        They joked about his lucky double with 55mph exit velocity, he’s fine just not my type, I like more extra base power from my player’s, but for each his own .

      • TheSincere

        What’s not to like? Well, ya know, he’s so slappy, and not a sexy, HR-fueled, one-dimensional, non-ass-bustin effort…wait for it…JERSEY SELLER. Clutch dudes like KT win games and spark teams with the right attitude and gettin the job done with maximum effort and creativity. A dude that doesn’t play. One big reason why this team is a gigantic s#%t stain this year.

      • just peachy.

        And he made that SB look so easy to do.

      • Matthew

        He looks too much like Sincere

        • TheSincere

          Lol yeah I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

          • Matthew

            No one loves singles like KT, and The Tinder King from PA!!!!

          • TheSincere

            The Tinder King?? Hahaha now you’re takin it a step too far, pal.

          • Matthew

            Sorry, just riffin’

          • TheSincere

            Oh it’s all good, Matty. I had no idea what the hell Tinder was for before last week. This place is so educational lol.

      • Michael Scott

        “his first extra base hit of the year.”
        That doesn’t show you anything?

    • TheSincere

      KT is vastly underrated. Rules. Wonder if Rodney Scott, Larry Bowa, or even Pete Rose would play in this non-gamer, non-strategic, wait for a home run lame ass era? Scrappers win games.

      • Eleuthero

        KT has proven he can hit anywhere, in MLB or the minors. Questions remain about his fielding. However, he’d be an ideal trainee for an OF position because of his speed. I think he should stay with us right on through Sept..

        • TheSincere

          Yeah people on here are so quick to forget that he had an OF putout in the first game he ever played in the OF lol. On one of the fastest recorded OF throws of the year. The dude has a penchant for big plays. But the ignorance just goes on and on and is off the charts regarding Kelby Tomlinson.

          • GSDUbs

            I sense another Belt-like polarizing effect brewing here

          • TheSincere

            It’s been brewing for a year. It’s officially a TWG imperial stale ale.

          • Eleuthero

            I think he’s a natural 1 or 2 hitter who would have a high OBP and terrorize teams with his speed. I think he should be somewhere on the field every night.

          • TheSincere

            100% with you. He’s been delivering ever since he was first called up. You can’t teach speed. Speed wins games when hitting home runs (one of the most difficult things to do on a MLB field) go the way of nothingsville. Why not arm yourself with players that do a ton of things well?

          • Eleuthero

            Exactly. Span and KT have virtually the same OBP over their careers but Span’s now a step slow whereas Tomlinson gives pitcher’s fits once he reaches 1B. With Tomlinson’s raw speed he could also get to a lot more balls in the OF than Span. We have to make team adaptations to keep Tomlinson on the field … not on the bench.

          • TheSincere

            Same old same old story here. The contract justifying the playing time. These corporate behemoths wanna get the most bang for their buck, so “get your ass out there, Span; we ain’t paying ya to sit on the bench.” Same with Cain for several years now. Big money has ruined major, significant portions of the game of baseball. Baseball as a business first takes a great deal out of the competitive and fun aspects of the game. Ruins its quality and purity and essence as well.

          • Eleuthero

            Yup. Baseball’s FO’s demand that their chosen ones will get max exposure. The less you’re paid, the less you’re exposed. Their egos want constant justification for large sums expended. That’s why KT will be a bench platoon guy for the rest of the season.

          • TheSincere

            This has gone on for years. You can peer into the economic world of the 70s in “The Bronx Zoo.” But much much more these days bc bigger sums of money are involved, more exposure, jersey-selling, on and on and bullshit on. When the best player doesn’t play and it’s right in front of your face, that’s a lie.

          • Michael Scott

            Span- 4th in the NL among lead off hitters in OPS, 4th in slugging percentage, 5th in OBP.

            { minimum 200 PA) don’t forget that the numbers are sortable

            http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/split/109/league/nl/sort/OPS/order/true/minpa/200

          • TheSincere

            Not denying the skills Span still possesses. But defensively he just doesn’t have it any more. Not in CF, anyway. That’s where KT intrigues me. He hasn’t particularly shone or been outstanding defensively, but I believe it’s bc he hasn’t had a chance to settle into one position yet. It’s hard being a young player as a super utility. I believe if they gave KT a real shot at CF, he would have a legitimate chance to be a good defender, and use his speed to win games. That assist he had a year ago in his first game in the OF was impressive. I believe he’s worth the gamble. I like his fundamentals and clutch play.

          • Michael Scott

            KT Is a fine utility player. He may become more than that.someday.

          • TheSincere

            More off-season training could bump up that OPS. He’s fast, quick. Just a little more strength could pay big dividends. I love his baseball acumen. Reminds me slightly of Duffy with obviously less power.

          • Michael Scott

            I like him, i like him.As you said, he needs to bulk up.

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Nice. No Wonder Span is my man.

          • buyselltrade

            That is why I would like to see the Giants get an every day CF and use Span like Harvey Kuenn. Still lots of playing time and ABs but not a critical fielder.

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            But who? It seems to me that span will serve as bridge to the next guy or next group of auditioners.

          • buyselltrade

            Maybe a Giants minor leaguer at AA or a trade or free agent.

            Most of the free agent CFs seem to be on the wrong side of 30 and past their peak.

            I would package Bumgarner plus lots more for Trout but that won’t happen.

            The Astros have several minor league CFs blocked by excellent MLB team.

            One of my more recent thoughts is Cueto and Pence for 4 or 5 Astro minor league players 2 and under (if Astros would bite)

            The Astros need another quality starter now and Pence could be RD DH to complement Beltran, be #4 OF, and WS experience plus had god run early in career with Astros.

            Maybe the Giants FO will think Astros?

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Astros have a couple cf’s that can move into SF. They just have to really want Cueto. Let’s hope!

          • buyselltrade

            I had to edit the post above as meant to type “24” not “2”.

            The Astros have lots of pitching injuries and are getting by now with McCullers, Fiers, Keuchel, Morton, and various and Morton and Keuchel are on the 10-day DL.

            Hope the Astros love some Cueto.

            I searched the Astros minor league system several days ago and found about a dozen OFs and starting pitchers under age 24 from A, A+, AA, and AAA levels that I thought seemed promising.

            I really like Hunter Pence and moving Pence to Astros would clear salary and playing time and put Hunter in a good situation too. I would still look for him in the box score every day.

            I hope Sabean, Evans, and Bochy read TWG and see this and think “Hey why not give it a try? “

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Derek Fisher would be great pickup. Teoscar Hernandez would work. Kyle tucker would be unbelievable. Jake Marisnick could be quite useful in sf

          • buyselltrade

            I started a hand written list to post but got distracted, Derek Fisher is top of list.

            The Astros have lots of quality minor league potential.

            Hint to Giants FO.

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Yes. Scout the Caribbean as well!

    • just peachy.

      Also, maybe it should be pride night every night. All the love and joy and rainbows and dancing added to an already satisfying game.

    • Michael Scott

      KT had a nice night. But player of the game? Please.

      • just peachy.

        Opinions, aren’t they great? We all have our own.

  • buyselltrade

    At this point in 2017 and at this stage of Matt Cain’s career and skill level, there is no rational reason to continue starting Cain every 5th day.

    The Giants would have an equal chance of winning giving their AAA starters experience and trials at the MLB level,

    A positive way to deal with Matt Cain would be to have him finish out the year in an attempt to resurrect and redefine his career in relief in 2017 with the understanding that there is a potential to come back in 2018 for the option buyout and a rp salary.

    Otherwise DFA Cain. He is a sunk cost that has harmed the team since 2015.

    • Mr. Sarcastic

      No rational reason to keep him, other than he was one of the original 2010 heroes and that the Giants front office would never DFA him, even if he had an ERA of 10 and was spraying RoundUp on the kale garden. It’s just the way it is.

      • GSDUbs

        How about pouring kerosene into the fire? That should be enough.

        • When one does that usually somebody also dies in the proverbial fire that you wanted to live …

      • buyselltrade

        I somewhat differentiated between “no rational reason to continue starting Cain every 5th day” and the idea that Cain be DFA now. There is a spectrum of actions / non-actions that could occur but it is senseless to continue to start Cain. Perhaps this is the sort of management that has contributed to the team malaise? Nostalgia limits the success of the current team. Few fans would be disappointed and most would rejoice if the fact that Cain was done as a starting pitcher for the Giants was accepted by management.

        Even Lincecum was let go when Tim thought he had time left and the Giants disagreed.

        • Mr. Sarcastic

          Tim was allowed to play out his contract, just as Cain is, and then was not offered a new one. I don’t disagree that Cain’s effectiveness as a starter is gone, but you and I both know that the Giants would never just cut him loose in the middle of a season. They’ll buy out Cain’s option next year and he will ride off into the sunset a very rich man.

          • buyselltrade

            Then why not at least end his day as a started and make Cain the last arm on the bench to finish the contract?

            Otherwise I agree with you except why waste more starts on Cain?

          • Mr. Sarcastic

            Well, something will have to give when Bumgarner returns next month, so I guess we’ll see… He’s not any worse than Moore has been.

          • buyselltrade

            Yes but Moore has a future maybe or could be pitching to showcase for a trade.

      • crawnik

        I would consider this year to be Cain’s farewell tour, if you will. I don’t think the Giants front office will DFA the Giants longest tenured player. While he doesn’t offer anything of substance, he is here for fans of him.

        • buyselltrade

          Cain still doesn’t need to start every 5th game or play much away from ATT.

          Why not mop up / 12th arm?

    • Eleuthero

      This is the FIFTH year where Cain hasn’t been Cain. The surgeon’s knife effectively ended his career. He’s done. First step is DFA. If he gets knocked around in AAA (I fully expect it) then he just fades into history as another Zito millionaire.

      • buyselltrade

        I agree with you and the (lack of) come back from surgery has long been apparent and maybe wishful thinking.

        Cain would get knocked around at AAA.

        • Eleuthero

          It’s a shame that it has to be this way with a guy who was instrumental to the 2010 and 2012 WS titles. However, Timmy and Zito both refused to see the writing on the wall. Mike Schmidt is one of the few guys who hung up his cleats only a mere year after serious decline. Guys like him are rare.

          • Peter Johnson

            Zito won 15 games in 2012, Timmy in 2014 and 2015 was 19-13, no way near as bad as Cain, Timmy had in 2014 and 2015 had stretches where the had 3 shutout starts in 4 starts in both years, do your Home Work !.

          • Eleuthero

            I always do way more homework than you, Peter. Sometimes guys get serious offensive backing and Lincecum’s 19-13 was with a 4.5 ERA that would have been unheard of in his 4 glory years. Zito’s 15-8 record was at a league median ERA of 4.15 and that season was sandwiched by two years when his ERA was closer to 6 than 5. In both Lincecum and Zito’s cases they had a long falling-off period. Schmidt had a one-year falling off and then retired. Most guys painfully delay their departures.

          • Peter Johnson

            Timmy in 2015 lead all Giants starters in ERA until his last few starts before he got hurt, Study Game logs, they are your friend, both in 2014 and 2015, Timmy wore down as the season went on, probably because the hip problem , in 2014 had a 3.66 ERA at the break, in 2015 his ERA was in the low 3.’s until early June . His ERA was inflated big time by a few bad starts .

          • Eleuthero

            Early June. Is that really a split you want to quote? That means his ERA was 5 from that point on. Of course, it’s in the nature of 5 ERA pitchers that “blow-ups” punctuate their performance as we’ve seen with Moore. Uneven performance is NOT an anomaly in pitchers who are starting to fail. It’s a norm.

          • Peter Johnson

            Yes, his season ended in mid June, so no starts after that

      • It won’t happen until the off season. He won’t be in AAA.

    • paul in p.v.

      I don’t see a role that he could fill in the bullpen. Say adios at the break, unless he’s willing to work relief in Sacramento to demonstrate that he could do it. He is hurting the team, every 5th day. Talk about a sink hole.

      • buyselltrade

        I don’t see a successful re-intention of Matt Cain in the bullpen either but staying on as 12th (hopefully not 13th) arm in 2017 is the means to let Cain stay with the team.

        Cain would probably get bombed in relief at Sacramento without MLB fielding to bac him.

        • Mr. Sarcastic

          Or, perhaps the Giants could move the fences back as a way to keep him …

          • buyselltrade

            Davis? Big outfield.

        • paul in p.v.

          That’s true. Seems like the only hope for him would be as a mop-up man who suddenly blossoms into Yusmeiro Petit 2.0. Highly unlikely.

          I miss that guy.

          • buyselltrade

            I miss Petit too.

            Remember his long no hit streak?

            I often felt he could have joined the starting rotation.

          • paul in p.v.

            Yup – the near-perfect game made 2 of those streaks.

            Another shite-4-brains (non) move by the F.O.

  • channelclemente

    TO must be out of town.

    • TheSincere

      They do have the Internet “out of town,” however. Unless he’s in Antarctica on holiday.

    • Working grave yard shift

      • JStreet

        There’s a lot of that in his business.

  • Foothills A-rye-o

    If and when Hwang opts out, it would be awesome if he went all Adam Duvall in some hitter friendly environment.

    • paul in p.v.

      Yeah, that would be REAL nice.

    • Matthew

      TO and Peter might go Scanners

      • Is that UFO company?

        • Matthew

          Old movie…with a mind bending scene…

    • crawnik

      Cincinnati, where former Giant farmhands become hitters.

      • Michael Scott

        OK, there’s Duvall. Who else?

        • buyselltrade

          George Foster

          • Michael Scott

            LOL. 46 years ago?

          • GSDUbs

            …but seems like it was just yesterday. Is Frank Duffy Matt’s father?

          • buyselltrade

            Maybe there is something to that “Duffy Curse”!?!

          • Michael Scott

            He already has 258 bars named after him.

          • buyselltrade

            I am cursed with best memory of the Giants on the 60s and 70s and 10s and the other decades are less clear except for Clark, Bonds, and Kent.

          • totalfan62

            Right up there on the “worst trade ever” list. An up and coming power hitter traded for Frank Duffy (an average at best SS), and Vern Geishert, a minor league pitcher who never made the show. Foster was very quiet and shy. Giants thought he might have had development issues.

          • Michael Scott

            Are you over it yet?

    • buyselltrade

      I am somewhat surprised that the Giants did not give him some MLB exposure.

      Hwang got good press in ST but seems he is more the hitter than fielder.

      Still all that playing time was wasted on Hill, could have been Hwang.

      • paul in p.v.

        ayup.

        • buyselltrade

          Maybe Foots saying that Hwang “went all Adam Duvall” shocked the FO?

          • paul in p.v.

            “Beat him when he sneezes – he only does it to annoy – because he knows it teases…”

    • DrLefty

      Brisbee says Gillaspie might have to go back on the DL. That could be Hwang’s opportunity.

      • Michael Scott

        Kruk wants to go anywhere that CG goes.

    • Michael Scott

      Yeah, his numbers in AAA are very similar.

      • Foothills A-rye-o

        KBO?

        • Michael Scott

          So? And his HR totals the last 2 years In Korea. are VERY suspicious.

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

      • paul in p.v.

        Not the power #s.

        • Michael Scott

          I was being sarcastic

  • “I don’t want to analyze the failures of the season after such an impressive win. That would be in bad taste….”

    Well stated.

  • “Take two and hit to right”
    “Three Yards and a cloud of Dust”

    “Giants have only three untouchables”
    https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/6/27/15880654/sf-giants-trade-rumors-belt-panik-samardzija

  • Here’s the low down on why the Giants are hanging onto Cain. Granted he has been great for the Giants in the past. No question. And for such heroic achievements he was rewarded quite handsomely so much money that many CEOs of large companies would blush in comparison. But injuries and surgeries have plagued him. But like any good hearted GM, manager or owner, you hang on hope that the little sparks Cain has displayed at times will erupt into big successful flames. But that is not the real reason they hang on to him. It’s the big handsome contract he was afforded back after his greatness, and like any large dollar investment, nobody is going to dump their stock at little downturn ticks. The stock may even plummet and yet you hang on to the dear hope you can salvage a return. Many other side notes can suffer but you hold on tightly to your investment. Eventually, as is usually the case, you eat the investment once it becomes clear that there will be no return. A glaring and alarming difference in the sports world however. These investments have to be seen as rewards because it’s though for the future to pay off on past performances given the uncertainty futures hold. Giants brass are a stubborn folk to be sure. It’s quite the dilemma. Cain needs to 100% commit to a new approach, which he has tried, as he is no longer the hard throwing spot spotting master he once was. Big night for Cain. Lot at stake and a lot on the line. A must win game. They are now all must wins.

    • Had he had the career he has had but had NOT thrown the only PG in history – he would be gone by now, but now it will be the off season for the parting.

    • GSDUbs

      Nah

    • JStreet

      Must wins? Are you high.

      • Eleuthero

        Cain’s “must wins” started occurring in April, 2015 given that he’d been sidelined since July 9. 2014. Since then he’s had 2.5 seasons being a pitcher with an ERA above 5.5. Tonight will be his 40th start since that mode was established. Is the 40th time the charm? I think if a positive pattern isn’t established after 10 starts it’s never going to change.

    • Michael Scott

      SOP.

    • Hoona

      Cain’s gone when MadBum returns from the DL. They won’t cut him, but they’ll DL him with some type of injury

  • Noce

    Day games are hard to do. I have two tickets to the game tomorrow, free to a good home. But you have travel my way to pick them up. Let me know here and I will make arrangements.

    • paul in p.v.

      Are you close to Puerto Vallarta? ;o)

      • buyselltrade

        After you Lear to California and rent a helicopter to get our tickets from Noce, pick me up in the Bell for the game. Head up the Klamath canyon and watch for a large orange and black cross in my front yard.

      • Michael Scott

        We are good friends.

      • Noce

        I wish.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Andrew Baggarly‏V@extrabaggs 40s41 seconds ago
    BREAKING: The Giants are calling up Jae gyun Hwang.

    • buyselltrade

      Cool!

    • Hoona

      Nice.

    • Foothills A-rye-o

      Thank God. Prayers answered. Not the next Duvall!

      • Peter Johnson

        Speaking of Duvall , just hit his 1st HR in a while, is now hitting .281 with 17 HRs, and 52 RBI .

        • Foothills A-rye-o

          Dry spell! I’m impressed with the average. That’s what tells me he has arrived.

    • Don’t put him in the outfield. (Might be the emergency catcher)

      Maybe bye bye Strick_9

      • Matthew

        He has trade value… do you think they move him?

        • 610nm

          I think its Jones going down (he has looked overmatched). Gillaspie kept hitting better and better last year as he played more, so yes, he’s probably got a little value in trade. But G’s might want to hang on to him a while, as who knows when Nunez or Boyo can play again.

          • Eleuthero

            Conor is a good bench guy to have. I have little doubt that Jones’ stay is almost over.

          • 610nm

            Nope, a followup tweet says Gillaspie’s back is putting him back on the DL. It is Jones and Hwang until Nunez comes back.

      • Hoona

        Might be Conor or Jones

    • Eleuthero

      So we now have ourselves a real 3B. If Nunez is going to be out a while we can get a pretty good look at him.

    • Hoona

      So in the end, it was worth the wait for Mr.Hwang. Happy for him.

      • buyselltrade

        I have always (or at least since Spring 2017) wanted to hear from the radio “and now batting for the San Francisco Giants, Hwang!”

  • Michael Scott

    The Hwang Dynasty has begun,

    • Bapah

      • buyselltrade

        Makes me giddy anyway (or maybe last nights game?).

        • Bapah

          It’s the one game winning streak. Does it every time.

          • 610nm

            I have been in the most marvelous mood all day, now that you mention it.

          • Bapah

            Treasure the minutiae.

          • Michael Scott

            Well, cut it out.

          • 610nm

            Arenado may drown my spirits, soon enough!

      • Mr. Sarcastic

        Right

      • Michael Scott

        That’s a problem?

        • Bapah

          How can you ask that?

          • Michael Scott

            How does he spell it?

          • Bapah

            I T

      • Michael Scott

        Actually, it’s Wrong Way Wank

        • Bapah

          The wR ruins the alliteration. Maybe “Wong Way Wank”?

          • Michael Scott

            His roomie says that he wanks it wrong.

          • Lunch_Box

            Huh?

        • Bapah

          People are going to wonder what the hell we’re talking about since I erased the above post right after I wrote it.

          • Michael Scott

            All degenerates will know.

    • paul in p.v.
      • Michael Scott

        So?

  • The Oracle

    I applaud Hwang’s exercise of his contractual power. I now expect to hear Ted Nugest as he walks up to the plate. On an unrelated note, this emotional support dog thing is getting way out of hand.

  • Foothills A-rye-o

    Nice little playoff preview on MLBN. Yes, the Cubbies will eventually move ahead of the Brewcrew.

    Are the Rock slide predictions coming to fruition early?

    Dodgers —
    DBacks -1.5
    Rox -4.5

    (WC +6.5)

    • Michael Scott

      We have a.001 chance to make the playoffs.

      • Foothills A-rye-o

        Chef, I was pleasantly surprised to find out that Our Guy, Denard Span, has 1.0 WAR and therefore on pace for 2 WAR. That’s not bad at all. In fact, that is essentially getting their money’s worth.

        • Michael Scott

          That’s chump change, KT is now tied with Tim Federowicz.

        • The Oracle

          He may be a slightly above average hitter, but he’s a poor defender in an important position. He’s not worth the money they’re paying him, but I hope another team thinks he is.

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            That would be great. We should tout him as an average CFer, citing his UZR. We’ve got to market him properly if we’re going to get anywhere with this pipe-dream.

            I noticed the Nats already have a de facto Span with Goodwin. Same beard, similar stance. So count them out.

          • Michael Scott

            You are not privy to this pleasant conversation.

  • earlytimes

    Ramos in 3? I like the confidence. Place your bets by Sept 1 with Haak.

    • Foothills A-rye-o

      Heliot in 2020? How about Reynolds next year, starting with a promotion to Richmond stat?

      • earlytimes

        Reynolds is over .300 now?

        • The Oracle

          .312, but with an OPS barely over .800. Not all that impressive.

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            .930 OPS in June. Impressed?

          • The Oracle

            If he can keep it up.

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Especially if at Richmond.

          • The Oracle

            At the same age no experience level, Belt was .383/.492/.628/1.121 in 333 PAs at San Jose.

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            He’s no Belt, but he can play a premium position on the diamond.

          • The Oracle

            Hopefully, but that remains to be seen.

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Hope dies last.

          • earlytimes

            April was bad. He’s trending in the right direction.

      • earlytimes

        He doesn’t seem to care for SJ looking at his home away splits. .684/.928

  • earlytimes

    Win last night was like going without booze for awhile, and that first sip of even the $4 house wine tastes pretty damn good. It’s weird to be hanging on every pitch when they are 24 games out. I was driving up from the south bay in the top of the 7th muttering c’mon, goddamnit meat. With each Strickland ball, I was pounding the dash and laughing at the absurdity of it all.
    I don’t know. If they actually win 2 in a row, I might have to break out the good stuff. Yes, desperate times.

    • Foothills A-rye-o

      Early Times?

      • earlytimes

        Nah, that refers to something else. The only hard stuff I drink is Tequila.

  • Gary Hughes, big time long time scout on the pre game set outside AT&T. What’s he doing at the park tonight? Hhmmmmmm. He’s looking at someone…..

    • Foothills A-rye-o

      who is he affiliated with ?

      • Boston. Or the Cubs. Fell asleep and forgot.

        • Foothills A-rye-o

          Hmmmm. Scouting Matt Cain?

          • 610nm

            Looking for a 3B in place of Sandoval?

          • The Oracle

            Yes. They’re looking for a batting practice pitcher.

        • Hoona

          Searching for heir apparent to Pedroia?

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Whoa. Blockbuster.

    • He’s a local guy, lives on the Peninsula

  • The Oracle
    • Michael Scott

      He’s fine with it.

      • The Oracle

        I don’t doubt it. Pride in effort and accomplishment never seemed to be something he worried much about.

        • Michael Scott

          You are too easy.

        • totalfan62

          Not signing Pablo was one of the best things that happened for us this decade.

          Listen to the trade deadline rumbles. Boston looking for help at 3B, as they pay Pablo $20MM a year for two more years…to be on the DL with an ear infection.

          Mix in some pride and professionalism, Pablo.

  • The Oracle

    Does anyone think that Gillaspie’s back really “flared up?”

    • 610nm

      I had the same thought, but backs are indeed peculiar things, so “maybe”.

      • The Oracle

        Flared up right after Hwang said he was opting out.

  • Hoona

    Heliot’s English is pretty good. No translator needed

  • Foothills A-rye-o

    LSU had 2 player chosen in the first 2 rounds of this year’s draft, Florida had one: Alex Faedo, RHP, 18th, by the Detroit Tigers.

    From LSU, the A’s took OF Greg Deichmann 43rd and the Cubs took RHP Alex Lange 30th.

  • Bapah

    Tonight’s game is the MLB.TV Free Game of the Day.