Keepin’ it Real Guest Post: A Giants Poem

by
Keepin’ it Real

The Giants came from New York in 1958,
Ironically the same year I was born-
San Francisco greeted them with a big parade,
While New Yorkers were feeling the scorn.

My Grandpa was an early Giants fan,
With a transistor radio always in his ear-
He flew in big zeppelins during WWII,
Because the Navy was his career.

Grandpa’s Giants interest got the best of me,
So I started listening to their games on KSFO-
Russ and Lon were the radio “voices” then,
They made it easy to visualize the game’s flow.

Shortly after starting an early AM paper route,
No paper folding before reading the box score-
I had to see how well Mays and McCovey played,
Before any paper reached a customers’ front door.

I was finally able to attend my first Giants game,
A fantastic Birthday gift from Mom and Dad-
We were fortunate to get tickets for a “Bat Day”,
And that “Ken Henderson” bat was the best I ever had.

The next year we went to see the Padres,
I was shocked  to see uniforms with an ugly brown –
15 innings, 5 hours, and 33 runs later,
My Dad was happy we could finally leave town.

I also recall that sold out Dodgers Night Game,
A group of us kids went with Tony our Post Man-
Giants Management thought we were his little league team,
And we were in FREE before the 2nd inning ever began.

A Driver License allowed me to attend many games,
Doubleheaders were the way to save some dough-
I loved sitting in the bleachers and catching  ‘rays,
And sneaking OJ and tequila in was the way to go!

Years later I organized a corporate group trip,
During a season when the Giants played without a clue-
The PR Office was overwhelmed with a rare crowd of 50K,
I got my special “organizer hat”…and 12 of my friends did too!

Experiencing those 100 losses in 1985 was brutal,
Every Giants fan was frustrated and feeling pretty ill-
1986 gave us the emergence of Robbie Thompson,
And my favorite player, First Baseman, Will the Thrill.

1989 was also certainly a year to remember,
A World Series and the birth of daughter #2-
The 7.1 earthquake hit while sitting in the  upper deck,
I’m not going to lie…I thought I was through.

It took about 6 hours to get home to Hollister,
Radio Stations reported it as the epicenter…in error-
I attended the makeup game 10 days later,
Does the A’s being juiced up make their title fair?

4 years later the Giants made a signing splash,
A skinny young outfielder joined the team-
Barry Bonds would strengthen our team’s lineup,
And thoughts of a World Series win began to gain steam.

As I cheered for all of Barry’s many homers,
The Giants decided not to resign my favorite #22-
I cringe thinking about Dusty giving Russ that ball,
And how the Angels won the World Series in 2002.

Let’s not forget to pay homage to the old stadium,
Cold winds, blowing trash, and the Croix de Candlestick-
I took my son to Pac Bell the first year and was thinking,
They FINALLY built a new stadium…pinch me quick!

Which all brings me to this wonderful season,
Unexplainable losses which cast some serious doubt-
Then along came a stud rookie and some castaway vets,
Which all equaled up to a  4-1 World Series route.

Even now as I think and type about this Series win,
Pondering why it still generates those unexpected tears-
Perhaps I am reflecting on my above written journey,
And my devotion to Giants Baseball through the years.

  • totalfan62

    Outstanding, KIR! That was wonderful! I’m saving, printing and keeping it close by for winter reading and beyond. Thank you, sir! Go Giants!!

  • channelclemente

    The shadow of wonder.

  • Keep’n It Real

    A little background…

    I wrote this back in 2010 after the first WS win. I was having a hard time trying to communicate what I was feeling, so I decided to write this. When GG asked for some stuff from all of us, I sent him this,

    The picture he provided is one of my home office walls, I somehow feel comfortable working there 🙂

    • dgg

      Wow, KIR. This is more than a Giants poem. It’s your multi-generational journey as a Giants fan.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Nice wall. Looks like you built it and paid for it yourself. Keeps Dodger fans out – those are some bad “hambres”.

      • dgg

        Only you Ryan!

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          I’m not your first choice?

          • dgg

            What I meant was only you could figure out a way to bring up “Bad hombres” in a tribute. I was admiring your audacity.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            I just like the way that idiot makes hombre sound like hambre. They have bad hunger? What?

          • dgg

            I especially like the way “Bad Hombres” and “Nasty Woman” got turned around on him post-debate. Two amazing unintentional clarion calls.

          • Keep’n It Real

            He says China as though the “ch” sounds like the “g” in vagina. My wife and I were on a fitness walk yesterday and we were coming up with words that would sound so differently with DT saying them. We were cracking up for a loooooong time.

          • Keep’n It Real

            Did you see Saturday Night Live? Pretty funny how they dealt with “Bad hombres”.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Bingo!

          • paul in p.v.

            “hambres” dgg – the chump mispronounced it with the word for being hungry… ;o)

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            I’ve got a bad hambre coming on right about now. Gonna have to attack it with a peanut butter and honey sandwich, banana, and persimmon (from my persimmon tree).

          • channelclemente

            I’m still stuck deciphering Bigley.

      • Keep’n It Real

        I had a signed 8×10 picture of the Dodgers infield with Cey, Garvey, etc. (I was there, they were signing stuff, so I did it) and gave it away to a relative on my wife’s side; who grew up a Dodgers fan. It was going to sit in a box and he really appreciated it. He’s actually a Good hombre (seriously)

  • channelclemente
  • channelclemente
    • Giants bullpen in 2016

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        2017 after they sign Greg Holland to close !

        • dgg

          Mark Melancon.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Yes. My first choice.

            But we’re in the habit of tossin names around. This one is intriguing as he was such a dominant force before Tommy John and he is now about 12 months removed from surgery.

          • dgg

            TJ surgery. Shudder.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Derek Law made it past the shudder stage, I guess. But I worry about overuse with his mechanics and history.

          • dgg

            I do too. I wonder if the Giants do? This is one of the reasons that I think the Giants are going to go all out to acquire a no-doubt closer in the offseason.

          • giantc

            If Trent Baalke was the Giants GM he would only sign and draft players who have had TJ surgery.

          • dgg

            Who?

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Whatch how quickly Baalke gets the Tomsula…..
            You don’t even see his name ANYWHERE near the franchise.

          • Keep’n It Real

            Maybe they sign both! I must be on drugs 🙂

  • Matthew

    Love these guest posts…learning so much about our community! Thanks a bunch, KIR. Beautiful stuff

    • dgg

      Guest posts were never going to happen on Giants Extra. Even though we talked about the possibility of Guest Posts during the offseason.

      • I’m waiting for yours dgg….

        • dgg

          Oh no. I enjoy reading what others write. Thanks for the frequent posts, GG, by the way. Something I realized with your Cubs post is that you can write about all things baseball, which is good.

      • Efrain

        You do realize the original, while a blog was run by an employee of the Mercury right? Then how would you even assume they would allow guest posts? The Merc is a corporation, run under rules and liable to anything that could go wrong. So again I say, why would they allow someone who does not work for the Merc post on the site?

        • dgg

          Yes, Efrain, I realize that Giants Extra was run by the San Jose Mercury News. I also remember our friendly discussions about Guests Posts while knowing full well it would never happen. It’s one of the many reasons I’m grateful that GG developed and maintains our own Giants community blog. Surely you’re grateful too. Right, Efrain?

        • RobDeer

          Nobody explains the universe like you.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Master of time and space and he drives a Jaguar – ha ha ha.

        • Matthew

          Relax.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            the cost of prescription chill pills is through the roof!

    • channelclemente

      They are spectacularly good, IMO. What an un-mined resource of interesting things to say and ways to say them.

    • Bapah

      Matt, Can you guess where my avatar is from? One of the things I love about Chi-town.

      • Matthew

        Looks like Giordano’s to me…..

        • Bapah
          • Matthew

            Officially hungry…thanks a lot

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Bad Hambre

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Still looks like fecal material. Pizza shouldn’t require a fork!

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            you made my hambre go bad.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Call that what it is, a calzone….. it’s not pizza.

          • Alvise Contarini

            I doubt that thing can be a calzone. This one below is the real thing. Calzone napoletano con ricotta e salame piccante. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5fdc39a6f539a11d7af71c65e68780a0f008ac6f2927f286f883865d639603b2.jpg

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Molto bene!!! But it’s closer to a calzone that a pizza……

          • Alvise Contarini

            You’re quite right.

          • channelclemente

            Contrary to popular opinion, the best Pizza isn’t always in Italy.

          • Alvise Contarini

            De gustibus disputandum non est, et ego non disputo.

          • channelclemente

            LOL.

          • Pizza can be whatever you want it to be. One of the beautiful things about it is discovering the varieties pizza of each city like Montreal, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Istanbul. For my money the best pizza is in San Francisco or Montreal.

          • Alvise Contarini

            Did you ever eat a pizza in Naples?

          • No, only in Rome. The best meal I had in Naples was when I went to a beautiful deli and ordered fresh mortadella, some provolone, fresh bread, wine and water and sat on a bench with my mom to eat it. It was fantastic quality. I also had amazing sweets from a bakery by the Naples train station. I love Italy. Venice is my favorite city.

          • Alvise Contarini

            This is my favourite Venetian traditional dish. Risotto al nero di seppia. Rice with squids, ink included as you can see. Marvellous. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d69246d2b28b0dfc7ba175b8b2b954dafc08f69c6588afbb60417cfd138098ce.jpg

          • Anti-Lasorda

            I agree on toppings. Put on it what ever you like, even the little fishies….
            But please for gosh-sake don’t call that thing… that abomination of two calzone’s copulating and covered in sauce a pizza…..
            Pizza should be thin, topped with some form caramelized cheese and have the appropriate texture. Not be some ball dough with the ketchup thrown on top.

          • Anti-Lasorda: Pizza Fascist

          • Alvise Contarini

            Anti-Lasorda: a real gourmet, a fine food connoiseur.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Nah, more like a purist. Let’s remember that ‘REAL’ pizza was made in either NYC or Naples first. It was thin, quick-fired in a brick oven and the best thing on earth, well after beer anyway.

            Calzones have their place. I like a ‘stuffed pizza’ too, but I just don’t view it as a pizza. If you want to call me a Nazi, fine.

            NO PIZZA FOR YOU!

          • Alvise Contarini

            10 thumbs up !!!!

          • channelclemente

            They have a really good cheese twisted into the dough pie too. I didn’t realize they were still around. We used to stop regularly at one in Highland Park/Evanston.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Step aside Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Keep’ It Real is in da house!!

  • channelclemente

    A new book a few might be interested in: Weapons of Math Destruction. Unregulated algorithms.

    https://weaponsofmathdestructionbook.com/

    • vixenflem

      I heard the author speaking a few weeks back on the radio, thanks for reminding me of it. Seems like a interesting book.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    That would be something if the Giants broke the barrier
    and found a “nasty woman” to shut the door in the ninth.

    Just filthy. Sliders breaking off the plate, like emails disappearing into the void.

    Get it done.

    Or get it done with that blue collar dude that just carves up the plate with his cutter.

    • paul in p.v.
      • Scout Finch Baseball

        The Latin Contingent was Fuerte!

        • Alvise Contarini

          Il contingente Latino era Forte!

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Yeah, the Romans did some things, I gather.

          • Alvise Contarini

            Yep, they left to the posterity half of the vocabulary of modern English.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Built a couple of aqueducts too. Erected some columns here and there as well.

          • Alvise Contarini

            They created the “Diritto Romano” too. A minor stuff…

          • paul in p.v.

            Without compunction, Alvise:

            compunction
            kuh m-PUHNGK-shuh n
            noun
            1. a feeling of uneasiness or anxiety of the conscience caused by regret for doing wrong or causing pain; contrition; remorse.
            2. any uneasiness or hesitation about the rightness of an action.

            Compunction can be traced to the Latin verb compungere meaning “to prick severely.” It entered English in the mid-1300s.

            Latin is such a beautiful language!

          • channelclemente

            Spooky. I was sitting in Latin class in 11th grade having just finished reading Horatius at the Bridge out loud and thinking similar thoughts about the Latin language when the room loud speaker crackled to life informing us John Kennedy had been assassinated in Dallas. I hadn’t thought about that in literally decades.

          • paul in p.v.

            Christ, I’ve got goose-bumps cuz I knew where you were going as I read – I was in 9th grade Latin with Ms. Addie Brown in CT when it was announced over the loud-speaker. Jaysus. It was like the world ended.

          • channelclemente

            Spooky indeed.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        Slim, very slim chance on either Romo or Blanco.

        • steve k

          gearrin and gorkys are their successors…. serg was a good giant…. gregor? one of the very finast, ever. a classy gentleman. i wish him nothing but the best.

      • Great Photo! Thanks for posting this. I did those throwback uniforms. They need to make a new version with SF replacing NY.

        Just saying…

        • paul in p.v.

          Gracias, GG! I think the fact that it’s b&w really makes it – that photo would look great in sepia as well. Happy times. :o)

    • The Oracle

      It would also be great if all the outfielders could sprout wings and fly up to snag all potential home runs. The possibilities are equally likely.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    The name Greg Holland has been kicked around by Doughnut and Oracle. It’s an intriguing name. Here’s a little something on Holland and the Royals; he may have a market that makes the buy low not so low.

    http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article110096872.html

    • channelclemente

      Is another Todd Wellemeyer?

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        I wouldn’t think so. Joe Nathan came to mind, but D-nut informed that Nathan’s first TJ came at age 36.

        From my Holland recollection, his slider was just nasty. Fall off the table variety, set up by 93-96 4 seam fastball. The two righties in the Cleveland pen, Shaw and Allen, remind me of Holland.

        YMMV

        • Doughnut

          I remembered him having a split that dropped off the table but it could be the slide piece. It complemented his fastball really well. Sounds like he is confident in his abilities to return.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Brad Lidge comes to mind. This kind of guy would be awesome. Strickland’s movement is too lateral. Little of that vertical snap.

    • Doughnut

      Didn’t know he was a Scott Boras client. You are right, its doubtful he will come as a bargain. Still worth looking into though. Probably looking for a short term deal

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Noooooooooooooo! Borasssssssssssss!!!

  • channelclemente

    Traumatic Brain Injury from kids football documented. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/10/football-kids-heads/504863/

  • Alvise Contarini

    I’m very worried for the Chef, because he is still AWOL. Did some of you get news about him and his health? Thank you.

    • channelclemente

      His life is complex. Sometimes circumstances force him to ground for a while, as I understand his situation.

      • It’s not easy being a superhero! I’ve never seen him and Batman in the same room together.

      • Alvise Contarini

        Thank you, CC.

  • channelclemente
  • Keep’n It Real
    • channelclemente

      They do seem to have a talent.

  • channelclemente

    Wendy Thurm’s take on the Giants postseason. A podcast link therein.

    http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2016/10/24/13379192/mccovey-chroncast-44-wendy-thurm-the-offseason

    • channelclemente

      This is a 1st class discussion of the bullpen, and the coming competitive situation in the NL West and what the future holds.

    • HaakAway

      Thanks for posting this. Good variety of opinions and she lands on the Giants needing a Closer but otherwise still in the upper echelon. Fair since they played toe-to-toe with the Cubs for the last eight games except for the ninth inning.

      LF is discussed the same as last year and the Giants could try anything there. The OF question: is age going to keep popping up in injuries or was this year just bad breaks?

      • Matthew

        I’ve got an ongoing chat with Eleuthero…he says we are doomed and need a rebuild. I’m nowhere near feeling that way. 4 good starters, several good relievers, best catcher in the game, solid infoeld across the board. I see a Pence bounce back…so, polish the edges, win it again

        • Keep’n It Real

          Looking at that Giants vs. Cubs age-by-position comparison I did a few days back…makes it pretty clear that a rebuild is premature. This team’s window could still be open another 3 years or so. They need a closer in 2017…and a LFer to legitimately add to the trophy case.

          If their farm system starts making long-term impacts in the rotation (if Cueto leaves) and in the OF…that window could be extended.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            I say open big time in 2017 – still open in 2018 and then that bad boy is gonna start shutting. Enjoy it !

      • channelclemente

        It’s seemed pretty clear she thinks Cuetos presence defines our window, and lays not realizing the need and getting Melacon for the bullpen at Evans door. I would never have guess we were that close acquiring his services.

  • This lady must have been a Cubs fan exorcising ALL former curses.

    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Woman-with-skull-on-stick-leads-Sacramento-police-10013944.php

  • BRAVO KIR!

    You will have an updated license plate for the odd year 2017.

  • ISportsWeb

    San Francisco Giants: Closer needed by Paul Matli

    http://isportsweb.com/2016/10/23/san-francisco-giants-closer-needed/

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Here you go, Bud. Rock on…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKs2QTBNYFY

      • Made My Day. It’s kind of gloomy and gray here in Canuck land.

        Much obliged.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Anytime. I’ll be here all week.

    • dgg

      Closer: yes. Kenley Jansen: no.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    I guess it just registered with a little help from a tweet:

    This is the Mike Krukow vs. Duane Kuiper ‘drafted by/came up through’ World Series.

    Did you know Kuiper was a first round pick?

  • Baggs should have fled for Chicago Comcast Sports Network when he had the chance

    https://twitter.com/extrabaggs/status/790047712263614465

    • Matthew

      I’m actually pretty happy for Baggs right now. He’s been waiting his whole life for this….

  • channelclemente
  • Keep’n It Real

    Hopefully Adam Silver is presenting the Cavs their Championship Rings tonight…since the NBA was the ones that provided them the Championship anyway!

    Rim shot…

  • DrLefty

    Love the poem, KIR!

  • DrLefty

    I was just driving around doing errands, and Tolbert/Lund were playing that Sonny & Cher “I Got You Babe” song that Bill Murray hears over and over in the movie “Groundhog Day.” Over the song were spliced in various 49ers, um, “highlights” from yesterday.

    It was hilarious. I was CRYING. And all I could think of was how much The Oracle would have enjoyed it.

    • Keep’n It Real

      …and the dysfunction continues as reports get floated (by whom, I wonder ?!?) that Joe Staley is available for a first-rounder. Regardless of whether or not he’s worth a #1 (he’s not), you now have Chip Kelly saying they need Staley here…and the players (once again) are wondering WTF.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        $10 They fire Chip. Hire another retread. Don’t spend their cap money. Trent drafts 3 more guys with bad knees. The Yorks make $185M and don’t give a rat ass how much we complain….

        • Keep’n It Real

          I might be repeating myself, but I heard (or read) that the 49ers copied the Yankees strategy of pricing X amount of seats at a premium (in the new Yankees Stadium), so they still pull an attendance profit if people stop showing up. I know the Yankees did it with x amount of front row seats. I’m not sure. but I think the 49ers did it with their luxury suites.

          So yes…they don’t give a hoot.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Kamikaze on the Merc is all over it. It’s the PSLs. Even if the fans walk on their seat, they will make money on the PSL payments which the fans can’t walk from. The fans were conned and roped in with Jed giving great speeches about how he was going to bring back the old days, and he hired Harbaugh who won and wanted money to improve the roster and himself. They paid for the short term to get everyone on board with their stadium. Jed and Dr. York bit their lip, made everyone think free spending Eddie was back in charge and got $650M from everyone and as soon as the Stadium was done he fired Harbaugh, disassembled the roster and now have returned the franchise to 2005. Afterall, Jed’s last name is York.
            It was deliberate, it was on purpose. And I think every poor sucker that was conned into a PSL should dare the 49ers to sue them and then countersue the club for fraud. It is inexcusable to put an NFL Europe club on the field. In that respect, Tomsula WAS the perfect coach, he was familiar with coaching that level of talent.

          • Keep’n It Real

            I’d be shocked if some lawyer hasn’t got ahold of that PSL list and is sending them mail on on on-going basis. “Join other 49ers PSL Holders in litigating against the 49ers…”

          • Anti-Lasorda

            If I remember, Santa Clara has a good law school in town, nevermind the school in Palo Alto or Berkeley.

      • 78 year old Phil Knight went to the CAL vs Oregon Ducks game on Friday night in Berkeley. Could have easily boarded a flight for home but instead was standing on the 49er sideline as a guest of Chip’s. Chips 6 Million a year will probably be matched +++ for him to return to the Ducks – even though those fans are no longer fans of the Chipster.

        http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2016/10/canzano_11.html

        • Anti-Lasorda

          Chip can only hope….

        • Keep’n It Real

          I was in OR during my West Coast “up Highway 5 to Seattle” travel trailer vacation in early September. I had no idea it was the Ducks first game (ironically against UC Davis) and we were lucky to get a spot at a great RV Park in Eugene.

          Anyway…I witnessed Duck-mania in real life…and when people asked me where I was from “Originally from San Jose, but live in Roseville”…many of them mentioned that they hope Chip gets fired, so he can come back to coach the Ducks. If you’ve ever stayed in a RV Park…people are friendly and like to talk.

          My $0.02 is they want to return to when the Ducks were in the national conversation and welcoming Chip (and his warts) back is part of that deal.

    • The Oracle has it on his Wall of Fame at the SJPD 🙂

  • Keep’n It Real

    Steph’s new commercial…

    https://youtu.be/PSEOq0C-8Ug

  • channelclemente

    It’s entirely possible this entire World Series will be played in temperatures near or below freezing. Snow outs are possible.

  • 2016 World Series Umpires Features Retiring Hirschbeck

    Here are the 2016 World Series umpires, with retiring umpire John Hirschbeck serving as Crew Chief. These postseason umpires are listed by position as appearing in Game 1 of the World Series. Umpire crew rotation for the best-of-seven World Series is clockwise in the infield and counterclockwise in the outfield. The Replay Official joins the on-field crew for Game 3 and remains with the on-field crew for the remainder of the series.
    Game 1’s home plate umpire becomes the Replay Official for Games 3, and beyond.

    World Series Crew (WS / Chicago Cubs (NL Champion) vs Cleveland Indians (AL Champion)
    HP: Larry Vanover*^ (Replay Official for Games 3+) (1st World Series)
    1B: Chris Guccione^ (1st World Series)
    2B: John Hirschbeck* -cc (5th World Series [1995, 2006, 10, 13])
    3B: Marvin Hudson^ (1st World Series)
    LF: Tony Randazzo^ (1st World Series)
    RF: Joe West* (6th World Series [1992, 97, 2005, 09 12])
    WS Replay Official: Sam Holbrook (Games 1-2, On-Field for 3+) (2nd World Series [2010])

    World Series Series Replay Assistant (MLBAM): Todd Tichenor

    As for crews of origin, Hirschbeck is the only member of his regular season crew to advance to the 2016 Fall Classic. Guccione and Vanover are from the Vanover crew, Holbrook represents Gerry Davis’ crew, Hudson is from Jim Joyce’s crew, Randazzo is the #2 on Bill Miller’s crew, and West is the only member of his crew to officiate the 2016 World Series. Vanover and Hudson worked with Hirschbeck during the 2016 NLDS, while Guccione served on Jeff Kellogg’s NLDS crew, Randazzo worked under his regular season crew chief Miller in the ALDS, and Holbrook worked with West on the ALDS Wild Card crew.

    Hirschbeck’s first and last World Series assignments (1995, 2016) both feature the local Cleveland Indians.

    He recalled that in October of ’95, trash collectors in his Ohio neighborhood left him a piece of soiled cardboard wishing him good luck: “P.S….’Lofton likes to steal third base.'” When Lofton ended up trying to steal third base in that first game, 3B Umpire Hirschbeck was in great position to make the call: “I credit my trash men for the keen advice,” Hirschbeck said.

    -Close Call Sports-

    • Matthew

      Joe West…

  • Doughnut

    Feel like the Series should’ve started today. Who cares about MNF

    • vixenflem

      Agree! And quite frankly who cares about the Cubs. The nauseating coverage about them, is simply way over board. I hope Cleveland sweeps them back to Chicago!

    • Matthew

      Seems like their every year format follow the :

      Tues/Wed
      Fri/Sat/Sun
      Tues/Wed

      thang

    • The Oracle

      MLB cares. They don’t want to have an even smaller TV audience.

      • PerSpeier35

        I care. The MNF game won me $100 in my online pool. TO you’d be shocked to know (me too) that half the folks in my pool (pick winners only) picked the 49ers over Tampa. I was not one of them, thankfully.

        • The Oracle

          I don’t think it’s right to take money from the mentally challenged, which half of your competitors clearly are.

  • Anti-Lasorda

    Wendy Thurm says move Hunter to left…
    Unless you’re going to start MacWill in left.

    • Keep’n It Real

      Do you think the Giants would take a chance on Josh Reddick and move Hunter to LF? He fits their defensive mindset and maybe Josh would like to come back to the Bay Area and re-establish himself.

      He hit 20 bombs in 2015, so it wasn’t all that long ago…

      • The Oracle

        It would be dumb to spend a lot of money on Reddick without finding what Williamson can really do.

        • Keep’n It Real

          I hear what you’re saying, but 10 HRs in 2016 may not get him “a lot of money”. Just grist for the mill.

          • The Oracle

            Whatever Reddick gets, it’s going to be a lot more than what Williamson is going to make. And I think it’s just the kind of move the Giants would make.

          • John Myhill

            Desmond desmond desmond. He plays ss too.

        • DrLefty

          See the video I just posted below.

          • Keep’n It Real

            I think it’s posted “above” 🙂

          • DrLefty

            Depends if you’re reading oldest–>newest or vice versa.

          • Keep’n It Real

            Got me…

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Totally think they would. I didn’t see much pop in his Dodger swings. I imagine Reddick could back up CF as well.

        Desmond as a Swiss army knife is a very interesting notion.

        • DrLefty

          I’d rather have Desmond. Also, from things he’s said, it sounds like Reddick spent enough years with the A’s that he loathes the Giants. I’d actually be surprised if he’d even talk to the Giants.

          What’s Desmond’s story? Does he love it in Texas? Where’s he from originally?

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Born in Sarasota……
            He could go all Kenny Lofton I suppose, but I doubt it. Rumor is he likes hitting in Texas….. ALOT… and they are willing to pay.

    • DrLefty

      Check out this compilation of Mac’s big moments in 2016. At least five of the highlight catches are in RF. After the 4th of July one, Peavy moved Mac out of the Marriott Courtyard into his house!

      Also: game-winning homer off Price, game-tying double off Andrew Miller, game-winning hit in the only game the Giants won on that awful post-ASB road trip, and some prodigious long blasts.

      Watch this really made me SMH that he basically disappeared after July.

      https://youtu.be/ko1wtGOjj_Y

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Great athlete. And when he hits the ball, the ball stays hit.

        .223/315/.411, 6 HRs, 27.6 K% in his 2nd cup of big league coffee.

        Got any Jarrett Parker highlights? His run production rate has been a bit greater.

        .236/.358/.394, 5 HRs, 29.1 K%

        • DrLefty

          Yeah, I just can’t take the numbers seriously when he had what, maybe 120 plate appearances, broken up over FIVE different call-ups and mostly sitting on the bench. The tools–the power and the defense–have a lot of upside. He may be awful if he gets regular ABs, or he may turn into quite a solid major leaguer. We won’t know until they trade him to Cincinnati this winter, probably.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            . 230 and 20 hrs would work. Parker seems capable of that as well, with higher obp.

      • steve k

        love this guy.come to think of it, he was my guy. i predicted that he’d be starting by the all star game. i didn’t take into account that our mgr would have a brain cramp the entire 2nd half of the season.

        • totalfan62

          MyGuy as well. Echo what you said.

      • paul in p.v.

        Yeah, but Mateo’s son’s lawyer pal said he was a clubhouse cancer. So he deserved to be benched. See you in Cincy, Mac.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        And what happened to the G’s fortunes after he disappeared especially with the Italian bullpen?

  • channelclemente
    • dgg

      This made me laugh:

      “The Indians’ roster for the World Series is set, though manager Terry Francona cautioned that it’s subject to change in the event of another drone-related mishap.”

      • dgg

        “Corey Kluber, Trevor Bauer and Josh Tomlin will start the first three games of the series for the Tribe, with the order of the latter two still up in the air. After that, Salazar or Ryan Merritt or Kluber on short rest could be options for Game 4. Francona referred to Salazar as “a wild card” who the team “could pitch whenever we want.”

        — Zack Meisel

  • channelclemente

    Hack free computer code, for those who worry about such things.

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/20160920-formal-verification-creates-hacker-proof-code/

  • dgg

    Carl Steward Oct 22:
    Giants World Series hook: Kuiper’s first team vs. Krukow’s first team. Love that.

    • DrLefty

      I like Kuiper better than Krukow, so that settles it, then.

      • GermanGiantsFan

        Me too. Kuip was on the radio today. Was fun to hear him.

        • paul in p.v.

          Not only that, but Francona’s father Tito played for the Clevelands in the 50’s. Case closed.

          • totalfan62

            Hello Paul! Haven’t seen you here recently. Hope all is well.

            The other player that always in my mind links to Tito Francona–from those Indians–Al Luplow!

          • paul in p.v.

            Hola, total – yah I’m fine – went into hibernation for a couple weeks after the last game. ;o)

      • Anti-Lasorda

        PARTY AT NAPOLI’S!

  • dgg

    Carl Steward Oct 15:
    Now that’s a bullpen. Cleveland.

  • Michael Scott

    Hi, this is Michael Scott’s wife. He has his head in the oven. Says he would rather die than see any of these teams win anything but some Slightly Used Thongs I will say that he’s going out like a true chef.He took the pot roast out before he said goodbye.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Welcome, Merna. Didn’t Sylvia Plath go out like that?

    • Matthew

      Don’t forget to baste, Merna.

      • Michael Scott

        You don’t baste a pot roast, idiot. Please forgive me,I think that name calling is immature but Michael said that you all like it .

        • Moooooooooose

          We don’t like it. We all do it, but we hate ourselves for it.

        • Anti-Lasorda

          Screw that he’s a tough old bird I want him braised in Sangiovese and peppercorns and served with a fine Chianti…..

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Punctuation saves lives.

        • standardstarboard

          You made me laugh.

  • GermanGiantsFan

    Thanks for all the great posts and guest posts! Here is the story of Kipnis with his own personal conflict in this series.

    http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2016/10/cleveland_indians_jason_kipnis_17.html

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Thanks for the link. Kipnis is my guy caliber player.

  • Moooooooooose

    Excellent job, KIR!

  • Moooooooooose

    All right, here’s how the World Series is going to play out. This will be the most epic story of all time. First of all, you should know that the curse of the Billy Goat is alive and well.

    Are you ready?

    Tuesday night, the series will open in Cleveland. The Cubs will take game one. Game two will be completed without any suspense. The Cubs will head back to Chicago with what seems to be no chance to lose. Diehard curse believers will expect the worst, that their beloved Cubs will lose three straight and head back to Cleveland in a dire situation. Oh, but that’s not the worst that could happen. Not even close.

    The worst that could happen is what will happen.

    Snow.

    Lots of it.

    Until Robb Manfred is forced to make the decision he doesn’t want to make. After two weeks of an Alberta Clipper pounding the Chicago area with wind, freezing rain, and the aforementioned snow, MLB leaders huddle together in a cozy New York penthouse, and declare that due to there being no apparent end to this historic snowstorm, the World Series will be completed in Arizona.

    So after 71 years without a World Series, and 108 without a Championship, the Chicago Cubs will be denied the chance to play a World Series game at Wrigley Field.

    By the time they finally do get around to playing in Arizona, Kyle Scwarber will have found his stroke, but it won’t be enough.

    Indians in 7, winning with a walkoff grand slam 4-3.

    • DrLefty

      I like it. I like it a lot.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Between you and CC, I was really left to believe that snow really was coming to the Great Lakes. Forecasts I’m looking at call for rain tomorrow afternoon and clearing by evening. Weather may be a little unsettled remainder of week with some clouds and some showers, temperature are not forecast to dip much below 50.

      As one weatherman said to the other:

      YMMV

      • Moooooooooose

        That’s why they call it a curse.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Whoa. Spooky. Right time of year.

          Boo! (m)

      • steve k

        you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows..

  • John Myhill

    Okay, I’m completely sold on ian desmond. The giants must get him, the bullpen should be a distant second priority. Lf, cf, ss, 20 hr. Just imagine. Crawford gets the rest he needs to not turn to jelly the second half of the season like he has been. Span doesn’t have to face lefties and hit .210 in too many at bats. Williamson can play in left when it’s convenient. They don’t need to keep adrianza or someone like that on the 25-man roster. Another sorely needed anti-lefty bat. All lineup problems solved. Sort of.

    • totalfan62

      If you have only enough payroll for one strong, new addition: big-time closer or position player like Ian Desmond? I lean toward Desmond (or someone like him) due to roster flexibility and multiple positions, as you noted. 2017 will be Desmond’s age 31 season, which means we’re really not getting any younger in the OF. Furthermore, he’ll probably get 4-5 year deal (at appx $16-18MM per year), so there could be considerable backside risk. Still, all in all, a very appealing player.

      • John Myhill

        Desmond more than any closer. This has to be combined with marching orders to bochy to use his bullpen effectively, which means taking smith, gearrin, and law seriously as possible closers. Get him an anti-lefty specialist like brad hand so that he won’r feel like he has to use smith against lefties.

      • Keep’n It Real

        Closer

        • steve k

          agree..closer is our biggest need. give mac, parker, or slater a fair shot to play left field. very nice job, btw, KIR, with the post..

          • Keep’n It Real

            Thank you

        • John Myhill

          Between Smith, Gearrin, Law, and Strickland they can find a closer. Just tell Bochy he has to seriously look at what each of them can do. Smith was awesome the last 6 weeks. Gearrin was awesome in June and September (when he wasn’t injured or recovering). Law shows a huge amount of promise. And so many people seem to think Strickland has great potential that maybe they’re right (even though I don’t).

          • Keep’n It Real

            Not ready for prime time. Sign Melancon..groom the other young guys via the 8th (maybe 7th)…and if they all come through the Giants have trade chips.

          • John Myhill

            They’re more ready than the outfield, which is about to be sent off to the nursing home. Take another look at Crawford’s stats–he melts in the summer heat. Check how bad the team was at hitting lefties last year (especially the candidates for cf and lf). And did you really look at Smith’s and Gearrin’s stats down the stretch? Or for that matter see them pitch much?

          • Keep’n It Real

            No…I didn’t watch any Giants games and I have no clue what Gearrin and Smith did for them. (sarcasm)

            The Giants have historically shown that they can win with starting pitching and a lights-out bullpen. Regardless of the stats…because the stats aren’t everything (see Romo)…neither guy was capable of being an elite closer. If they were, the Giants wouldn’t have had 30 blown saves in the regular season. Yes…I know…Smith wasn’t there all year. The Giants didn’t see either guy as a closer and…oh yeh…that’s their business.

            You take last year’s team…add Melancon…and they are probably playing in the WS *with* the “candidates” in the OF you mention. I could easily see Span (who didn’t play almost all of 2015) and Pence (hurt lots of 2016) improving in 2017…more so than wishing upon a star that an elite closer is already on the Giants roster. I could easily see Smith as the 8th inning guy, though.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        Another cost for Desmond is the draft pick.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          if given the QO – does Texas want to risk 17+ mil ? Dunno.

        • John Myhill

          That’s life.

  • totalfan62

    The Player’s Tribune posted “A Day With Kevin Durant” yesterday, featuring pictures of KD throughout the Bay Area. Taking in the sights, enjoying the local shops and restaurants, and surprising more than a few Warriors fans who suddenly looked up to see a (almost) seven-foot tall dude that looked…hey, you’re Kevin Durant! Pretty cool for him to do that. You all will soon see that not only is KD an outstanding basketball player, he is also a fine young man.

    • DrLefty

      He seems extremely happy. I can appreciate why that’s galling to the folks in OKC, but if you like the person and player, you have to feel good for him. I loved the photos of him riding BART!

  • Alvise Contarini

    Whoever told of “Sunny Italy” never saw a dull autumn misty day in Venice. California dreamin’ on such an autumn day. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc7ff924bf93d104e6ca1516994adf2eac5a4deb387809c41a0b080575f17c5f.jpg

    • DrLefty

      Well, it’s raining here, so…

      • Alvise Contarini

        Mal comune, mezzo gaudio.

        A trouble shared, a trouble halved
        Two in distress make sorrow less. (Samuel Beckett)
        Fellowship in woe doth woe assuage.

        • Skweezplay55

          A friend of mine often said, very similarly,
          “Joy shared is double joy,
          Sorrow shared is half sorrow.”

    • It’s a stunning photo nonetheless Alvise. Thank you for posting it. It looks like a lovely Monet painting.

  • DrLefty

    I was thinking about the Giants and the Dodgers, both of whom have 1-2 year “windows” on their current configuration: The Giants may lose Cueto after 2017 and have Pence signed through 2018. Meanwhile Posey and the Brandons won’t be getting any younger. The Dodgers could lose Kershaw after 2018, and A-Gon’s deal is up then, too. So 2017 is important to both teams.

    What if, for the sake of argument, both teams lose all their free agents? For the Giants, it’s mostly addition by subtraction. For the Dodgers, they lose their closer, their one RH power threat/3B, their #2 starter, the RF (Reddick), and two other key bullpen pieces (Blanton and Howell).

    The Giants NEED a LF and WANT a closer. The Dodgers would have a decimated bullpen, an iffy rotation after Kershaw (Maeda, Urias, Kazmir, McCarthy), no 3B, a question mark at 2B assuming Utley’s done (Kendrick?), and question marks in both corner OF spots (Puig? Toles? Ethier? Thompson?). The only real things set are Kershaw as ace and Pederson, Seager, Grandal, and A-Gon as regulars.

    Time for those 73 GMs in the LA front office to earn their money. Interesting choices considering the bad free agent market. Throw big money at Jansen? Overpay for 30-somethings Turner and Hill? Or take on big money to get Braun and/or Greinke, both well into their 30s and both of whom would take big prospect packages.

    • John Myhill

      It’s difficult to say what the dodgers are going to look like but whatever they do you can be sure it’ll cost a lot.

      • DrLefty

        It just struck me that none of their options are optimal: (1) Overpay to keep their own free agents, two of whom are on the wrong side of 30 (Turner & Hill) or (2) Make expensive trades to get Braun or Greinke (or, shudder, Verlander). Either way they’re committing big resources to older players, and with option (2), they have to sacrifice prospects, too. Odd position they find themselves in. It will definitely take some creative thinking.

        • John Myhill

          I have the feeling that the Dodgers are in a generally similar position every off-season because they never think more than one season ahead in every single decision they make.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Think the Dodgers make a strong run at Otani?
      It’s going to be real interesting to see what they do after they somehow let Greinke get away and have held onto their best prospects like they have. They have AGon’s replacement in AAA already – he could be their version of Brandon Belt.

      • DrLefty

        Oh, I think so. They signed Maeda and Ryu, and I think they were in the mix for Darvish and Tanaka back in the day.

        I think the Yankees and Red Sox and maybe the Cubs will also throw money at Otani. It won’t be a slam dunk for the Dodgers, even if they do want him.

    • totalfan62

      This is a *really* important offseason for our Giants.

    • The Oracle

      I’d swap the need and want.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Interesting prospect retrospectives on two key players for both teams. If your favorite prospect is labeled as a C+ prospect, that’s a good thing – it’s not the end of the world. The Giants have a slew of C+ grade prospects (or once graded as) – players such as Mac, Park, Cole, Slater, Duggar. One of these guys can be the sleeper that woke up.
    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/10/23/13372442/prospect-retrospective-kyle-hendricks-rhp-chicago-cubs

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/10/24/13373582/prospect-retrospective-jose-ramirez-3b-cleveland-indians

    • HaakAway

      I can see where if these are how you evaluate a Farm System then the Giants suck … One guy in the top 100 … #95 Arroyo.

      I was looking for Blach but no bueno … and maybe he will be a Nobody but he did okay at the MLB level in some truly pressure moments.
      I know you ask us for some understanding of the Art of Prospect Ranking but wow, you have to show me some accuracy/results.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Comfortably put Tyler Beede in the Top 100 – and I think he’s a B+ prospect, closer to 50 overall. Arroyo has been a solid B and probably still is, so around 100 is fair for him – projects as a potential solid MLB regular. Blackburn and Susac have been B/B+ prospects and their glow is dimming a bit towards. That’s the way it goes. No certain things – even those Blue Chip guys aren’t 100% – perhaps 90 something 🙂

        Blach was a C+ prospect and is making good as many C+ types do. There are 300-400 C+ types in the minors. You just have to become accustomed to the system and come to the table with a probabilistic mindset.

  • BALDHEADSLIKK

    Does anyone know where the bad smell is coming from in the Fairfield area? Hell maybe its me but itwas bad all day long in the vacaville fairfield area.

    • Matthew

      Suisun did a juice cleanse

  • dgg

    John Shea:

    “You know the Indians. They’re the other World Series team.”

    “Say what you want about the Cubs, who’ll pitch Jon Lester in the opener. First World Series since 1945. Chance for a first Series championship since 1908. Cute little team. Cute little park. Cute little history. Cute little slogan: lovable losers. For a lot of reasons, they’re the bigger national story, the October darlings.”

  • earlytimes

    Reason to root against Cleve; The offensive logo.

    IF you’re sick of hearing about the curse, the drought and the long suffering losers, you WANT the Cubs to win.

    It’s time for Cubs WS win and a female President.

    • Alvise Contarini

      Billy won’t let it happen, go Tribe !

  • steve k

    i don’t like the cubs. i can’t stand maddon, and i especially don’t like the pompous arrieta, who has no problem throwing at people in order to hurt them.

    but…if you put a gun to my head, or i had to bet my last dollar, it would be on the cubs. too much pitching, and too much hitting, and too much momentum.

    cubs in 4

    • Matthew

      I’m right there with you, but say Cubs in 5, sans guns and dollars…if we included Surf Maui, it would be…

      Lawyers, Guns and Money

    • DrLefty

      Jon Heyman actually had this headline for an article yesterday:

      “Indians Try to Spoil Cubs’ Dreams”

      Like the players and fans of Cleveland don’t have their OWN dreams? They’re just “spoilers”?

      SMH. Nauseating

      • dgg

        I stopped reading Jon Heyman a while ago.

        • DrLefty

          I see his tweets but don’t often “read” him. This headline just jumped out at me.

    • Anti-Lasorda

      I’ll double down on that bet…

    • dgg

      No! That’s my protest vote.

    • John Myhill

      Momentum is the thing the Indians most clearly have. They’ve won 7 of 8 games, and the only one they lost was when they already had a 3-0 series lead.

    • Skweezplay55

      I’ve been thinking along the same lines, Cubs in 5, but I hope I’m wrong. In my heart, I believe Francona to be a much better manager, and in a series like this, that often shows up. Just don’t know if Cleveland can hit. They’re on quite a streak, though, and maybe that’s a harbinger.

    • paul in p.v.

      It’s true. Just like the Red Sox in 3.

  • winebaroness27

    Cleveland— run!
    Hope they take advantage of Lester”s
    Inability to throw to first.

  • DrLefty

    Dear Cleveland,

    Even though you’re rightfully proud, happy, and excited about your team being in the World Series, prepare to be ignored and dismissed by the media because you haven’t been designated “October darlings” this year. Been there.

    Sincerely,

    Giants Nation

    P.S. Pro tip: Mute Fox and sync up your TV with your local radio broadcast. Trust us–you’ll enjoy the World Series a lot more that way.

    • HaakAway

      I am going to copy and paste this to my Clevleand friend.

    • Mr. Sarcastic

      What?!? And miss out on Joe Buck spewing endless, “The last time the Cubs won a World Series…” trivia tidbits? I can’t wait!!

      • Matthew

        “These fans have waited a lifetime for this!!!…”

        Camera cuts to a group of drunk 20-somethings with fake eye black one-upping each other for camera time

        • DrLefty

          Another stupid tweet: Only one team understands what a victory will mean to the cities of Cleveland or Chicago…the 2004 Boston Red Sox.

          Um. OK, I get that it had been a looooooong time for the Sawx, and the Curse of the Bambino and all that, but when the 2010 Giants won it all, that was the FIRST World Series championship EVER for San Francisco.

          Oh, and the 2005 White Sox would like a word, too.

          • Matthew

            Who tweeted that?!?!

      • DrLefty

        …we didn’t have airplanes yet, unless you want to count whatever Leonardo da Vinci came up with back in the 15th century.

  • steve k

    written by bruce..no one does it like DE..pure, unadulterated, rock & roll
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlqJc8qYU_o

  • Alvise Contarini

    GO TRIBE! BTW, this song has been the call song on my cell-phone since 2006.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mi3KNEpbA4

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      You just gained instant cred! Nice!

    • paul in p.v.

      Great for karaoke too!

  • Matthew

    I find the Schwarber move extremely Maddon-ish. This team won 103 games, got through the playoffs, and is in the World Series…so they are adding a guy who hasn’t faced MLB pitching in about 6 1/2 months, if i recall the date of his injury.

    Is it the right strategic move, or is it “look how cool and unconventional we are!” ?

    • Even if he hasn’t seen pitching for 6+ months, he probably still has a better chance of running into one than a pitcher. Now, that 26th man may have a different viewpoint.

      • Matthew

        it was done for the DH, and I get it…someone was left off the roster for this….so, your shout to #26 was my biggest reason for the question. And that 26th guy might well run into one way more consistently.

        • You’re right. I just don’t know their roster well enough to know who the got left off the roster to accommodate this move. In 2002 the Giants used Shinjo as a DH in the World Series.

          • Matthew

            Gee…thanks for the reminder

          • I sounded a bit like PJ there, didn’t I. Sorry.

          • Matthew

            I have PSSD…

      • Matthew

        just read it was in place of an extra lefty pitcher…14 position, 11 pitchers. Yo, Bruce…you watching?

        Our 13 pitcher roster, even in regular season, is insane

        • HaakAway

          Proven SP from the sad 2016 season has to mean the end of the 13-pitcher-roster.
          My big-stretch prediction for 2016.

          • DrLefty

            I certainly hope so. They have four proven innings-eaters in the rotation (all four were over 200 innings this year if you add Moore’s postseason to his 198), and Blach has been an innings-eater in AAA. No reason in the world for bullpen bloat next year.

          • HaakAway

            Start of a good headline: “Bruce Bochy’s Bullpen Bloat”.

          • Sgbssfg

            I wonder if probiotics would help?

          • The Oracle

            He isn’t.

    • Mr. Sarcastic

      Schwarber has the most post-season home runs in Cubs history 🙂

    • HaakAway

      Hoping it sows just a little of clubhouse discontent as Hacman sees … someone got knocked off the roster for this; not very respectful to a few good guys that contributed.

      • Skweezplay55

        Who did it knock off the roster? Had to be someone. A third catcher?

        • Skweezplay55

          Saw it below — a LH reliever

          • Matthew

            it certainly knocked Soler, Montero or LaStella or some other bench bat out of the DH role while in Cleveland, regardless of roster moves

          • HaakAway

            Like Matt says … you can label it as a choice over a LHP but ultimately it was his bat over a few others that have bats and gloves. Tough to play all season and see your spot taken like this I say.

    • channelclemente

      It’s a contingency is all, I suspect. It increases Maddon’s options, and magnifies Francona’s problems.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      So Schwarber is in ? Whoa – check out our pajamas!

    • John Myhill

      Maddon knows that whenever he does anything unconventional, people will say it shows what a genius he is. Whether it’s the right move is a secondary consideration.

    • The Oracle

      It’s obvious that Maddon doesn’t know what he’s doing. Sometimes, he even lets relievers face more than one batter. What is he thinking? Crazy.

      • Matthew

        But, Bochy is a tremendous fool?

        (I thin Maddon is fantastic…I don’t think every Maddon move ever made is genius)

        • The Oracle

          We’ll see if Bochy makes a comeback in 2016. I think the signs are ominous. Something changed with him this past season.

          • channelclemente

            His underwear. Sometimes you’re such a muppet.

          • Matthew

            Your overuse of “sometimes” is concerning

          • channelclemente

            Come on, I like TO. He’s like putting Tabasco in ones coffee.

          • The Oracle

            He was pretty awful in 2016. Try to think all the way back to the last inning of the season.

    • Skweezplay55

      This is just the kind of move I always expect is going to backfire on a manager who thinks highly of himself. Most of the time, the manager turns out right because what do I know, right? But still.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Something to watch tonight…Cleveland’s running game (#1 in AL with 134 SBs, versus Dodgers’ 26) against Jon Lester. They might steal this game…

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Speaking of top prospects a little under the radar that are stepping on the biggest stage tonight, Cleveland outfielder Tyler Naquin. Naquin had a lofty K rate in 365 PAs, but still managed to hit close to .300 and hit 14 HRs, good for a 135 wRC+. He happened to be the type of guy I thought the Giants should try to pry from the Indians a coupe years ago since he wasn’t their top OF prospect and might be expendable. Here’s how my buddy John Sickels rated Naquin the past two preseason…

    2015
    8) Tyler Naquin, OF, Grade B-: Age
    23, hit .313/.361/.424 in 304 at-bats in Double-A until going down with
    a broken hand. Looks like a perfect fourth outfielder to me with some
    across-the-board skills but not quite enough power to play a corner
    regularly for many teams.

    2016
    11) Tyler Naquin, OF, Grade B-: Age
    24, hit .300/.381/.446 between Double-A and Triple-A, can take a walk,
    steal a base, show occasional pop, play defense. Perfect fourth
    outfielder and ready soon.

    Althought not a top 100 prospect, with a B- grade, he would have been viewed withing the top 200. Imagine every team having a prospect list with their top 20 prospects – that’s 600 prospects, with B- rated prospects extending somewhere from 125-200ish (and C+ level propsects that are still good, intriguing, with a shot at the big time).

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Hey Lefty, if you squint, you might be able to see Steve Duggar in this player – he’s kind of in that C+/B- threshold. But a strong year in AA/AAA in ’17 and he may truly put himself on course.

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Prospect grades only matter in trade scenarios. To that end, do you think that some members of the media may have an interest in valuing certain farm systems above others and may have those teams providing them financial incentives to inflate their prospects trade values?

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        the grades don’t even matter in the trade scenario – the grades representative of the tools which are perceived which is what matters in the trade.

        And yes, some team do a good job of hyping their prospects. Like the Red Sox for instance. That said, their top prospects doing quite well, as is true for the Dodgers.

  • channelclemente

    I think Dave Cameron at Fangraphs has gone full on goofball. He’s turning Cubs game behavior into some kind of Maddon’s controlling the universe trope.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-new-postseason-plan-defense-early-offense-late/

    • Matthew

      Weird Al needs to do a parody of Captain and Tenielle

      Maddon Love

    • John Myhill

      He’s a sicko.

      Can you please explain in more detail why he hates the Giants so much?

      • Matthew

        We don’t follow the Nerd Guide To Baseball Success…it hurts their butt

        • John Myhill

          More specifically…

          • Matthew

            channelclemente went Michener. I went Tabloid headline.

      • channelclemente

        I think playing the kind of ball we and the Royals have played over this decade have forced him (and some around here as well) to challenge their basic, comfortable assumptions about the game. He’s certainly offended that in season, 162 game results predict almost nothing about the outcome of post season play. In particular, had the Giants had the kind of bullpen they had in previous years, we’d be playing still haunts him. It also bothers him that had that bullpen been extant during the season, we might very well have had that 100+ win season, instead of the Cubs. He has a ‘theory of the game’ the Giants style of play makes a mockery of. You can see here given how the term ‘slappy’ is used to diminish folks who like contact baseball that that POV is pretty widespread.

        • John Myhill

          So the problem is that the Giants have won 3 World Series’ recently even though the Fangraphs models never had them as the best or nearly the best team, is that the idea?

          How specifically have the Giants gone against the models? Few strikeouts and walks for the batters (although this year the walks were up)? Few homers for the batters? Good defense (that shouldn’t be a problem for them, should it)?

  • channelclemente
  • The Oracle

    I fully expect this to be one of the most interesting, exciting World Series I’ve ever not watched.

    • @The Oracle * Serious Question below

      If you can divulge – How’s everybody in the department so far today. Saw there was action-guns fired near the old Kellogg Plant early this morning?

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Everybody is in such a rush to get a closer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quBCjo2rUZg

    • steve k

      love ya bro, and respect your music knowledge, but, to me, that voice..unlistenable..

      • Matthew

        Exactamundo:

        Neil peart – masterful
        Alex Lifeson – virtuoso
        Geddy Lee – Gilbert Godfrey with a mic

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        that’s probably what makes Rush so special to their fans – the unique, unparalleled quality of that voice 🙂

        • channelclemente

          An appreciation of bad taste is an acquired taste.

          • The Oracle

            It does seem like Rush is a band that people either love or can’t stand.

        • steve k

          my bro-in-law loves them. keeps wanting me to come over to watch their movie. i’m always busy…

        • Anti-Lasorda

          Geddy is a talented musician. So are Neil and Alex.
          None of them can sing. What that band could have achieved with someone with Freddy Mecury’s pipes. I’ll just listen to my old Queen songs.

        • Keep’n It Real

          Rush…and Nickleback; both of whom have playlists on my iPod. Music is an individual thing.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Just confusion. Don’t know who to “pull” for. As if my pulling on the rope helps any. I’ll just wallow in my blues while working until game time…

    (this goes out to you Steve K)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZARqJOpp1Ak

    • steve k

      thank you..you know what i like

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Not quite Cleveland, but close enough – at any rate, my homage ( love this gal on vocals – she’s hot, like maybe hot in the way that Francisco Lindor is on the baseball field?)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wplUBFVsbtw

    • Mr. Sarcastic

      How could you forget this classic?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-IEMlJyak

      • Matthew

        Cameron and Law hadn’t reported on it…

        • Mr. Sarcastic

          Ian was just a C- prospect I guess…

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            in the eye of the beholder.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        This is original song from that Drew Carey show, right? Right on !

        • steve k

          si

    • RobDeer

      I’ll take Middle of the Road.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Found a picture of you, ahhh ahhh ahhhhh….

        • RobDeer

          Wrong song, chump.

    • channelclemente

      “gal”

      • Matthew

        This is the first time in recorded history that Chrissy has been referred to as a “gal”. Other unused colloquialisms include “dame” and “broad”

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          That’s Chrissie to you, pal.

          • RobDeer

            She’s my gal pal.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            What’s in your pocket, budzo?

          • RobDeer

            Terry’s Gum Covered Tobacco. Duh.

    • steve k

      ok, we’re back to agreeing..chrissy oozes rock n roll

    • paul in p.v.

      p.s. Chain Gang. :o)

  • RobDeer

    Cleveland in 6. Which will make me happy.

    • Alvise Contarini

      As I already wrote earlier, better in 7, a walk-off in extra-innings, preferably the 13th or 17th.

      • RobDeer

        My first thought was Cleveland in 5 but i wimped out.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          If the river ignites, it will be so.

        • Anti-Lasorda

          Terry Francona has been to 2 World Series.
          His record in those games?
          8 – 0.
          Yet to lose one. He won’t lose this Series.
          Maddon’s record anyone?

      • paul in p.v.

        That’s some kinda cruel experiment you’ve devised, Alvise.

        • Alvise Contarini

          Yeaaahhhh….Billy would approve. It’s not a kind goat.

    • paul in p.v.

      After thinking about it – I hope it goes 7 and it’s a momentous W/S. That’s all.

  • channelclemente

    Great piece looking at closer use in the context of Maddon-Chapman and Francona-Miller. There is a discussion with Maddon about his choice NOT to use Chapman like Miller that if you didn’t know better, you would think it was Bochy talking.

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/10/chicago-cubs-aroldis-chapman-cleveland-indians-andrew-miller-joe-maddon-mlb

    • paul in p.v.

      I hadn’t thought about the irony (?) that both Chapman and Miller were Yankees until July. Did they get a lot for those trades?

      • Eric Ritz

        The haul for both was considered substantial, especially considering what they traded to get Chapman just several months before.

  • Skweezplay55

    really enjoyed the poem KIR! Thanks for sharing!

    • Keep’n It Real

      Thank you

  • CaptBrewster

    Great poem KIR!
    I too have a collection of Sports Illustrated magazines. Did you frame just the covers? Or did you find a way to mount the entire issue inbthe frame?
    I’d love to frame mine but can’t bear to cut the covers off.
    Thanks! Cheers!

    • Keep’n It Real

      Thank you for the poem compliment.

      I made a decision not to try to keep the magazine intact, because the covers and the autograph(s) on it were more important to me. I have so much stuff, there was a storage component to my decision too. No intention of selling my stuff, so there’s no “losing value” thoughts either.

      Aaron Brothers have 8-1/2 x 11 two-pack frames and I’m using those. Not expensive, so give that a shot and see if you can keep magazine intact. Your magazines may be like 1/16th or 1/32nd smaller than frame opening, but the black colored back piece hides it really well.

      • CaptBrewster

        Nice! Thanks for the tip. Cheers!