Surf Maui Guest Post: My Scorebook Collection and Other Memorabilia

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SurfMaui

As previously reported I have been a Giants fan since at least 1954.  Growing up in Albany, New York, I was definitely living in Yankees territory. I distinctly remember listening on the radio to the exploits of Dusty Rhodes in that World Series sweep over the Indians. That was the WS in which Willie Mays made his famous catch off the bat of Vic Wertz. As I got older I became more of a Giants fan for three reasons: (1) my father was a Yankees fan and that’s what passed for an act of rebellion in those days; (2) it was cool to root for an out of market West Coast team when everyone else that I know–except for those loser Brooklyn fans– rooted for the Yankees and later the Mets; and (3) of course, Willie Mays.

I saw Willie play many times in the Polo Grounds and Shea Stadium when the Giants came to town after the Mets were created. I was at the famous 22 inning game (the second game of a double header) which I had to leave in the 10th inning to get the last bus back home.  The game was still going on when I got home . Alas, I do not have that scorecard, though it would have been a mess. (Mays played a portion of that game at shortstop). The Giants had great teams in those days–Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, Marichal, the Alou brothers, and later Gaylord Perry– who pitched in relief in the 22 inning game.

I had always kept score at games, but on scorecards, most of which–with the notable exception of my 1962 World Series Game 5 scorecard previously displayed here– have long since disappeared. However, as I grew older, and was better able to travel to San Francisco and other places to watch more baseball, I started keeping score in my “official” Giants Scorebooks. 

My scorebook collection dates to 1992, along with a few miscellaneous scorecards from 1991. Here is one where, despite a Will Clark home run, the Giants lost to Tom Glavine and the Braves.  These scorebooks now comprise 25 years of Giants games which I have attended–more than 275 games including the World Series of 2002, 2010, 2012, and 2014 and Playoffs in other years as well.  They reflect games at Wrigley, Fenway, Shea Stadium, CitiField,Veterans Stadium and Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia, Nationals Park, Camden Yards, Minute Maid Park, Coors Field, Petco, Dodger Stadium, Oakland, Detroit, Miller Park, Scottsdale, old and new Yankee Stadium,  Montreal, and of course Candlestick, 3Com, PacBell, SBC, and ATT Park, as well as a few others that I’ve probably forgotten. In the early years it was only a few games a season– and now sometimes 25 or more (between surgeries). 

The Photos (Click on Thumbnails to View Larger Images):

For someone who always had to travel out of town to attend games I managed, by pure coincidence, to attend quite a few memorable games over the years–for example Barry Bonds 600 HR, Bonds 700 HR, Chris Heston’s no hitter in New York, as well as pennant clinching games, the WS finale in Detroit and others.

So at the request of Greek Giant, here is Part I of my scorecards from a few of the more memorable games. Looking back over these 25 years, its amazing the number of Giants players who came and went in that time, many of whom I don’t even remember. 

As the years went on I became more sophisticated in my scoring, starting to include pitch counts and interesting trivia and historical events.  Sometimes, however, because there were a lot of changes in the later innings, or because I was rooting too hard, I lost track of multiple switches, or the game was out of hand. So my scorecards are less than pristine, and I hope that all of you on TWG won’t be too critical. If there is interest I’ll produce some more in future installments.   

The first game in my books dates from July 3, 1992 and the Giants beat the Cardinals on a Will Clark home run in the 4th inning. John Burkett pitched a 5 hit complete game letting up only a solo home run in the first inning.

I kept score for the game in featured the first Barry Bonds home run that I ever saw in person. It was on June 11, 1994. Unfortunately Bonds solo HR was the only run scored that day by the Giants who wasted a Mark Portugal gem, losing 3-1. J.R. Phillips (remember him) played first base that day.

On September 27, 1997 I was in town for a legal conference which I promptly blew off to watch the Giants clinch the pennant against the Padres. I vividly remember Barry Bonds dancing on top of the dugout. 

I was also at the next to the last night game at Candlestick Park, which was memorable to me because I caught my first foul ball ever. It was off the bat of Jeff Kent in the sixth inning on a 2-1 pitch. Note that Joe Nathan was the starting pitcher. Here is the scorecard, the ball and the ticket stub.

This scorecard is for the last game at the Stick, which unfortunately the Giants lost to the Dodgers. Things got so emotional that I failed to score the bottom of the ninth. The post game ceremony was one of the most moving things that I ever saw. There wasn’t a dry eye in the house.  There must have been 100 former Giants players who were introduced and went out to their positions on the field from the dugout.

The last player to be introduced was, of course Willie Mays, who walked slowly in from centerfield to a standing ovation which had been going on for close to an hour. A final pitch was thrown to Bonds, and the Candlestick home plate was lifted out of the dirt and placed on a sling under a helicopter, which flew it to the as yet unfinished PacBell Park where it was placed in the field. This was all shown on the big video screen. The the background music was Frank Sinatra’s ode to the either the Polo Grounds or Ebbets Field (historians differ)  “There Used to Be A Ballpark.” If you’ve never heard it, it was haunting and perfect for the occasion. Here is the link. My eyes still tear up, but then again I cry every time I see Field of Dreams too. 


Well that does it for the Candlestick Edition of my 25 years of scorebooks. If there is any interest I’ll do some more later.      

  • steve k

    i just figured out who i want to come back as in my next life. well done, surf..

    • Surf Maui

      Thanks — but be careful what you wish for

  • Bapah

    Wow, I wonder what happened to the blog? Anybody else have problems in the last few minutes?

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      Yes

    • 610nm

      Maybe Disqus got disgusted at my mistake? On the last thread, I was typing about MS, rather than ALS, probably because both are mysterious in origin. But even more likely, because of non-football related loss of mental faculties.

      • Bapah

        Neurodegenerative diseases are confusing to everyone, even the ones working on them.

      • Bapah

        One of the biggest contributors to neurodegenerative diseases is working a near lifetime on neurodegenerative diseases.

      • Bapah

        By the way, that press release referring to the PNAS article is quite an impressive dig. I’m trying to bring a baseball reference to catching a hot grounder into a completely off-topic discussion.

        • 610nm

          Just a hit from Google. The date on that is 2009, so the discovery hasn’t quickly led to an ALS cure.
          I’ve just been looking at the wikipedia page for MS, as Wiki has become a pretty good way to get fairly deeply into a subject. It confirmed my memory that MS is more common farther from the equator (in both north and south hemispheres), and further reminded me that it is where you grow up as a child (to age 15) that counts.
          A little more poking around led me to the MS research assoc’s web page, which says a link between MS and canine distemper is now discredited.

          • Bapah

            But the ALS link is still intact, I believe.

    • HaakAway

      Yes … this last 45 minutes it has been inaccessible for me.

      • RobDeer

        Haak, here’s my 25-man. Blach, Okert, Osich, Morse, Kelby, Parker, Gorkys.

        • RobDeer

          Just modified it. Again. Is Gearrin on your projected 18?

          • Bapah

            Seems like the only way to save Cory (which I want very much) is to put him on the DL.

          • RobDeer

            Yeah. And thinking about who takes his spot is only adding to my migraine. So much is dependent on the Cain/Blach decision. If Cain is the starter, Blach is the long man. Then you replace Gearrin with a regular reliever. If Blach wins it, I don’t see Cain on the OD roster. Which demands a long man so Suarez probably nabs it even though I don’t think he’s pitched that great this spring. I’m gonna grab some darts and blindfold myself.

          • Bapah

            Rob, you’re giving me a headache. I have a solution for you, though, but you have to take a nap first.

          • RobDeer

            Nah, I’m gonna go take out my frustration on some golf balls. Which will only add to my frustration, of course.

          • HaakAway

            Gearrin is NOT on the Core 18. You would have to drop OK or OS or take Bapah’s route of staging him on the DL for a while.

          • RobDeer

            I need to go back and look at your projected 18, I guess.

          • RobDeer

            I thought i could do this real quick while enjoying my coffee. Don’t i feel foolish.

          • HaakAway

            They are listed on my post yesterday around 1 PM.

          • RobDeer

            I just looked at it. Gonna stick to my picks even though I don’t have a long man. Figure Kontos/Osich will be a two-headed long guy.

        • HaakAway

          Okay I got it.
          You did not do this for Feb. 25 right?

          • RobDeer

            No. The headache i currently have would be dwarfed by the one I surely would’ve attained by issuing a previous prediction.

  • 22’sSweetSwing

    Why is Morse DHing? Have they seen enough of him in outfield? Is that why Hill is in LF?

    • RobDeer

      They know what he can (or can’t) do in LF. I’m happy to see Hill out there, and will be even happier to see Hwang out there. Pavs says they’re both playing LF today. If Hwang can play the outfield i think he makes the OD roster.

      • HaakAway

        Start Parker and send Mac to Sac then?

        • RobDeer

          I think the quad issue cemented that.

          • HaakAway

            If Hwang is playing more OF this week that might modify my 25-Man as you describe.
            I do not need Hill though: KT and Conor cover the INF.

          • RobDeer

            I literally just posted my prediction below, had Hwang in the first draft and just switched him out for Morse. Arrrrgggghhhhh!! I don’t friggin’ know.

          • Bapah

            Rob,
            NO MORE COFFEE !

          • RobDeer

            The baseball gods want me to be an alcoholic.

          • paul in p.v.
      • Efrain

        i think you’re right. I had Hwang on my 25 heading into ST and I’m glad.

        The brass has seen enough the merit his signing. He would be wasted in AAA, he doesn’t need it to adjust to MLB.

        HE can flat out hit and play a decent infield. If he can play OF it will just be icing on the cake.

        There is no question, almost anyone on the roster can play OF better than Morse, so let’s get past that question. Love Morse but he is not a ML outfielder.

        • RobDeer

          I had Hwang on my “guess” list below, and switched him for Morse. I just feel like they want Morse to make it and he’s said he wont go to AAA. Do you (or anyone) know if Hwang has a stipulation in his contract regarding AAA? I could see them sending Hwang down if that’s an option in order to:
          1) Get him regular AB’s and
          2) See if Morse can continue to hit once the ML season starts

          • RobDeer

            And also:

            Dear Diary,

            Efrain said he thinks I’m right. Oh glorious day.

            RD

          • Matthew

            My mama always said “you are who you hang around with…”

          • channelclemente

            He was talking about your politics.

          • Efrain

            I believe Hwang agreed to a Minor League deal with opportunity to make the big club. I just don’t think he needs AAA to adjust to MLB, the team can see he is a good player from spring, good D, great stroke and power, able to move around, etc.

            I like Morse, but I think his lack of defense is something this team can’t look away from. I like the energy he provides, but already Hwang has more St HR is roughly same amount of ABs.

          • DrLefty

            Hwang can opt out if he doesn’t make the team. He said at the beginning of ST that he’d consider going to AAA if that seemed necessary, but he’s not obligated to. My concern is that he’s had such a good spring that if the Giants don’t keep him on their roster, he might shop his talents elsewhere and they could lose him.

          • 610nm

            Supposing that Hwang is grateful that our Giants brought him over from his old team, has had fun with his new Giants team mates, and is told they want him to practice LF for 6 weeks, I think he’d take the assignment to Sacramento.
            But I did put him onto my first 25 man, and the revised entry, which I”m 100% sure Bruce Bochy will accept (eyes rolling).

          • valleyfloorryan

            This is good info. I was under the impression that he signed his deal with the Giants knowing full well that he may spend some time in AAA – but that was mostly speculation.

            But jeez, if he is free to opt out because some other team would pick him then that puts a lot of pressure on the Giants. I wonder if his agent has some sort of gag order to not arrange things or if he could have everything set up, waiting for OD decision.

            I just assume that he will be in Sacramento hitting and working on his versatility and waiting for the call.

        • Sacramento

  • Bapah

    SurfMaui, Dude, do you ever have to work? Really nice piece, though.

  • Bapah

    A remaining remnant from the last thread. Not to be too dogmatic, but

    There is NO SUCH THING as muscle memory !!

    • RobDeer

      My constant slice begs to differ.

      • Bapah

        Huh?

        • RobDeer

          Golf swing.

          • Bapah

            Bad motor program is at fault. (perhaps, among other things*) It can be remedied, though. Just not easily.

            *Golf, by nature, is insidious and the work of the devil (which does exist).

          • RobDeer

            You’ve been a lot of help on this fine morning.

  • 22’sSweetSwing

    I haven’t been watching much. Who’s arm is better, Hwang or Hill?

    • RobDeer

      Tough to say just from watching their infield tosses. Which is why I’m glad we’ll get to see Hwang uncork some throws from the OF.

      • valleyfloorryan

        When is Hwang playing OF? This also excites me.

        • Matthew

          is this the latest AKA?

          • valleyfloorryan

            you bet, Pink.

          • Matthew

            Come in here, valleyfloor, have a cigar…the Giants are gonna go far

          • RobDeer

            They’re gonna fly high, never gonna die. And goshdarn it, they’re gonna make it if they try.

          • valleyfloorryan

            Ha ha charade you are…

    • valleyfloorryan

      Hwang looks pretty good in his KBO highlight clips – not a cannon, but good enough.

      • 610nm

        “better than water buffalo” ought to be good enough to edge out Moore.

  • HaakAway

    “Disqus Delayed” post: Brekastalgia words and music; thanks Surf … Good for a gray first day of Spring. Play ball!

    • Bapah

      I was thinking that since we have a pick deadline AND we have been discussing neurodegenerative diseases, we should adopt Pick’s disease as our mascot.

      Pick’s is like having a pre-frontal lobotomy without the actual lobotomy part. In trying to make my predictions, I feel I’ve had one already and nothing I do will even be close to what the brain trust will do.

      Pick’s:
      “Personality changes, inappropriate behavior, difficulty with speech, and loss of memory and intellectual ability” are symptoms. I think some of us have already got it.

      • Bapah

        Matty? Rob? How are you guys feeling?

        • Matthew

          I have Blog CTE

          • channelclemente

            When your mamma said ‘use your head son’, she clearly had something besides banging it on the wall in mind.

        • RobDeer

          Like Randle McMurphy.

      • HaakAway

        Bapah you are describing the typical TWG member here.

  • Matthew

    you are a GREAT Giants fan

  • channelclemente

    Tebow to class A, Columbia.

    • Matthew

      That seems because they no longer have Class C or D like the olden days.

      That guy looks incredibly out of place on a baseball field

      • paul in p.v.

        Too-shay, Mateo.

      • channelclemente

        They do, just be another name.

  • Matthew

    I would like to thank Bapah for my Santa Clause level gut punch about muscle memory.

    Scientists are mean

  • paul in p.v.

    Looks like a Split Squad playing against the White Sox.

    Where is the A Team playing? ;o)

    • Matthew

      On Nick at Nite! George Peppard, Mr. T.! Fun stuff

      • paul in p.v.

        Strong move, Justin. Grab some pine, meat.

  • Surf Maui

    BTW, as an aside “There Used to Be a Ballpark” was written by Joe Raposo who also wrote “It’s Not Easy Being Green” for Kermit the Frog. Although many people claim that the song was written about Ebbets Field, Raposo himself once told Larry King in an interview that it was about the Polo Grounds. I choose to believe that.

    Off to see the Cardinals- Astros in spring training with Greek Giant.

    • RobDeer

      Buy GG a beer for me. In fact, buy one for yourself, too. I’m good for it.

      • Surf Maui

        We will collect later

        • RobDeer

          Can’t wait.

  • earlytimes

    Hill isn’t looking so hot of late. And he still hasn’t homered? Go Hwang!

    • livfreerdi

      By “of late” you mean three full years running.

      • 22’sSweetSwing

        perfect fit for the giants then. smh

        • Michael Scott

          Just think how it would go here if the Giants weren’t a good team. Were you around before 2009? Since then the wins are 88-92-86-94-76-88-84-87 and 3 titles. Yeah, nobody knows what they are doing.

  • valleyfloorryan

    What’s Kelby’s status these days. Playing 2B today. Has he played much SS of late? Has he seen the outfield at all this spring? Remember when that was a thing – they took him out to instructional league in the fall to learn some OF. Outfield crickets since?

    Is he a lock? Or is he still very much optionable material?

    • earlytimes

      I think he’s pretty much a lock.

      • Peter Johnson

        No, he has options, Hill does not .

    • Peter Johnson

      Giants do not want to lose some veterans, like Hill, so he might start the year in AAA, and his OF stint in Instructional league did not go well, people on this blog think anybody can play OF, it is not that easy .

      • valleyfloorryan

        How about you? Can you play OF? Centerfield is a challenge. I prefer left field.

        • Matthew

          Haha…charade ?

        • Peter Johnson

          I did in little league, but like Kelby , I was very fast , Track Star in High school, but have very bad eyes, so was known to misjudge fly balls, got worse as I got older .

          • steve k

            it’s a good thing you were fast. you were able to avoid a lot of fights.

          • Peter Johnson

            No, I was never scared of anybody, usually did not hang with people that liked pot and booze, like people on this blog .

          • RobDeer

            Just a bunch of stoned alcoholics here.

          • Matthew

            Pass the vape pen, Venison

          • Michael Scott

            Pot, booze, crack, morphine, opiates… We got ’em all, and they’re all for sale.

          • RobDeer

            Hahahahahaha

      • Matthew

        Not sure about that…I think they know what Kelby brings. It has to do with his bat, his speed and his middle infield skills. We shall see.

        • valleyfloorryan

          Do you think they more or less see him as 2b only?
          Or they like him enough at SS?

        • valleyfloorryan

          and I don’t think the bat is something that gets Peter excited. Frankly, I have a hard time getting geared up for a Kelby AB.

          • Matthew

            You don’t like speed/small ball? He grinds at the plate and gets pitches out of the opponents. Solid ball player. This isn’t just a Sportscenter highlight sport, right?

          • valleyfloorryan

            Ryan Theriot part deux?

          • Matthew

            Hmmm…I think he’s WAY faster than that. The Riot was a solid MLB guy. KT is more of a firecracker

          • valleyfloorryan

            I know KT is fast, but he’s just 10/15 in SBs for MLB career. Yes, faster than Riot, but even though RT was not known for pop, probably had more firecracker in bat that KT – a singles machine.

          • Matthew

            I just think he challenges defense with that speed….

          • Efrain

            Matthew, only reason you guys think and talk about KT being so fast is because of the squad he is on. Put him on another team like the Royals and he’s not some speedster. You guys speak of him as if he were Vince Coleman or Billy Hamilton.

          • valleyfloorryan

            KT pretty fast for a white guy?

          • Matthew

            Nope.

          • Efrain

            i really doubt an opposing team loses sleep because they think Tomlinson is so fast.

            It’s the same internal fan debate on how hard Strickland throws, sure on this team may look good, but on other teams they have a few guys who throw harder and are better. See the trend?

          • Matthew

            Dude. Get a grip. I didn’t say they did. The question is who is the best BACK UP INFIELDER fit. To me, it’s Kelby, in great kart because of his speed. What Latin player would you prefer?

          • Efrain

            actually Hwang could provide enough backup IF Hill makes it. Nunez could spell Crawford at short when needed, not asking him to be the starter at SS but he does have well over 200 games at the position in his career.

          • paul in p.v.

            No one can ever knock The Riot, in my books.

            YEE HAW!!!

          • Michael Scott

            You should let him know.
            Really, a utility infielder who has a .299 BA up here and is respectable in the field- what’s not to like?

          • paul in p.v.

            Dear ‘valley floor ann’ – do I have that right?

            Should we care about what gets you geared up?

      • livfreerdi

        Management is clearly deluded over Hill. No idea what value he could possibly bring to this team,

        • Peter Johnson

          He can hit , has pop, and can play multiple positions , check the back of his Baseball card .

          • livfreerdi

            I see 3 straight seasons of nothing out of him. He hasn’t hit at all in a very long time, and he doesn’t play the positions very well. They have a lot of guys who can stand at those positions and have some reasonable upside

          • paul in p.v.

            One word: over-the-Hill.

    • HaakAway

      I hope Bapah does not break your code … My address book for you has spilled over to the third page.

      KT is one of the variable especially for Hill Fans that see Kelby having options.

      • valleyfloorryan

        I posted a comment about my disqus on the fritz and couldn’t log in, until I made a new user. But that comment disappeared. This is my work computer, valley floor persona.

        • HaakAway

          Around 10 this morning several of us were not able to post or log-in to the Disqus function. Maybe that is what hit you too?

  • In Surfs game where he was home before it ended – my favorite Giant Jimmy Davenport played SS-3B-SS but was not in the starting lineup. Davvy Tripled with two out in the top of the 23rd inning off of Galen Cisco. Cisco IBB’d Cap Peterson – Del Crandall doubled off of Cisco scoring Davvy and Jesus Alou singled home Peterson. Mays made the third out of the Top of the 23rd. Giants hit into a Triple Play in the T14th. As Surf said Mays played CF-SS-CF. Matty Alou played CF when Mays went to SS. Gil Garrido started at SS for the Giants. Tom Haller caught all 23 Innings and went 4 for 10. Jesus Alou also went 4 for 10. Mays went 1 for 10. Cepeda was 3 for 9. Nobody got more than 4 hits for the Giants. Bob Hendley pitched the B23rd and got K – K – Fly ball to secure the win for Gaylord who pulled a “Yusmero Petit” ++ going 10 INN. 7 hits, struck out 9 with one walk. Giants pitcher were Bobby Bolin 6.2 Inn – Ken Mackenzie 0 Inn – Bob Shaw 1.1 Inn – Ron Herbel 4 Inn – Gaylord (10) and Hendley for 1 Inning.
    McCovey was 0-1 as a PH. Jim Ray Hart 1/4. Matty Alou Pinch hit and then went 0/6.Errors for SF:Cepeda (1); Tom Haller (2); Gil Garrido (1).
    Outfield Assists: Jesus Alou
    Base-running: CS: Jesus Alou (3 times) 🙂

    Time of Game: 7:23. Attendance: 57,037.

    • 610nm

      Three CS is possibly a record for a single game?

      • Has to be although the G’s I guess were trying to get outta Dodge so anything was possible.

        Got call!

    • paul in p.v.

      Just how tough was Tom Haller???

      • Gritty and a Great Giant. His some Tim comes on this blog at times.

        RIP @ Tom – he succumbed I believe to some kind of spider bite…..

    • paul in p.v.

      Wasn’t that a Sunday game Clutch?

      • It twas a Sunday :o)

      • Surf Maui

        Yes. Second game of a double header. My friend Gary Shaye and I went to the entire series. Sometime during that series–I forget which game (after all its only 50+ years ago) Willie McCovey his a low line drive off the center field wall (475 feet)–the hardest hit ball I’ve ever seen.

  • valleyfloorryan

    Seems like today’s game is a snooze. And Osich has walked the bags juiced. Uhhh, that’s one way to punch a ticket to the minors.

    Puerto Rico going to roll tonight.

    • Peter Johnson

      Bam Bam’s squad can hit, they have Jensen to close now too .

    • DrLefty

      #TeamOkert–no drama.

      It’s raining again. ☔️First day of spring my a**. 😡

      • crawnik

        Fried Okert will be the second lefty out of the ‘pen.

        • Michael Scott

          You have it backwards.

      • HaakAway

        OurGuy™ Ryder Jones showing his new power … same age as Arroyo

        • DrLefty

          Interesting roster dilemma for Sac: Arroyo, maybe Hwang, Hinojosa, Jones…who plays where?

    • crawnik

      Only 2 projected starters in the lineup. WTF is up with that? I thought they had to have a minimum of 4 starters in the lineup.

    • Michael Scott

      But he “limited the damage”. Kruk is big on that.

  • Back in the day – George Brett went to the Missouri DMV to take his test. They said If you can hit .350, we figured you could see. – on why they waived George Brett’s eyesight test

    • Michael Scott

      A 4-way.

  • Surf Maui
  • William Henri

    Surf’s post brings back quite a few memories. As a twelve year old in 1964, my parents gave in a allowed my two best friends (Met fans) and I to sojourn to Shea by ourselves. It turned out to be the famous Giant/Met double header with the 23 inning second game. We had a two hour commute on public transportation and were a little antsy as the second game dragged on but never had a thought of leaving. Most of the large crowd stayed throughout. As we were heading downtown on the subway (after 2:00am) towards the Staten Island Ferry two NYPD officers approached us to inquire why we were out so late. When they found out my father was a fellow cop, they escorted us all the way to Staten Island and then called a local patrol car to drive us home. I was so happy the Giants had swept the doubleheader. Funny thing was we never thought our parents would be upset because they had given us permission to attend both games. In our mind we headed home right after the game finished. Last game we attended in 1964! Thanks for the post Surf!

    • paul in p.v.

      Nice story. I was up the road in CT, listening on the radio. :o)

  • Keep’n It Real

    Giants reliever Smith leaves game with injury
    By Henry SchulmanMarch 20, 2017 Updated: March 20, 2017 3:40pm

    GLENDALE, Ariz. — Reliever Will Smith is having no luck staying on the mound this spring.

    After missing the first three weeks of games with an elbow injury, Smith left Monday’s game against the White Sox in the eighth inning, in the middle of an at-bat.

    Earlier in the inning, Smith appeared to deflect leadoff hitter Adam Engel’s high chopper with his bare hand. The left-hander stayed in the game as Engel reached first base. Smith got two groundballs for outs, but when he fell behind Dan Hayes 3-2, manager Bruce Bochy went to the mound with a trainer, and they walked off with Smith.

    It was not immediately clear if Smith’s departure was related to the chopper that led off the inning or his original elbow injury.

    This was Smith second appearance of the spring. He debuted with a shutout inning Friday and had said he was on track to be ready for Opening Day.

    • Peter Johnson

      Not good elbow pain .

      • Keep’n It Real

        I just saw that. You’re right, not good.

      • Michael Scott

        So it’s not bad elbow pain. That’s good.

    • Lunch_Box

      Speaking of the Sox, CSN still had a pic of Chris Sale on the the ads for the Giants v. Sox game.

      Lazy and quit playing cab ride interviews!

  • Peter Johnson

    Ryder Jones just hit a 3 run Homer, he is from the same Draft class as Arroyo, had a better year in AA last year then Arroyo , so why not the hype to call him up .

    • Matthew

      Not everyone is sold on Arroyo…I just want our best 25 at all times

    • Michael Scott

      You can get the hype going, Peter. Go for it.
      BTW, he and Fed-Ex are the only position players in camp with no chance to make the team.

  • Michael Scott

    Neil Ramirez now has a real chance to grab a spot.Very impressive spring.

    • Peter Johnson

      Just looked him up, had rough year in 2016 , but had a great Rookie year with Cubs in 2014, and a good 2015 season, was he hurt in 2015, not much MLB innings, at least he got a ring last year .

    • Peter Johnson

      Smith’s injury might make it a lock for Okert and Osich to make it, Ramirez could replace Gearrin on the roster, he has injury issues as well .

      • Michael Scott

        Okert is already a lock. Josh is on life support.

    • valleyfloorryan

      is Ramirez a lefty?

      If not would Blach be a reasonable LHP for the pen? Or would relieving be a “waste” of his talents.

      • Bapah

        No, R

      • Michael Scott

        Neil is RHed. I think Ty is now close to being a shoo-in for a rotation spot.

      • Efrain

        Blach is to close to being in the rotation. You can mess with him by “making him a reliever” at this juncture. Not s easy as people think to go back and forth.

    • DrLefty

      I think he’s the sleeper who might sneak in and take Cory Gearrin’s spot.

      • Bapah

        I hope not. If his arm gets better, he might get that 2-seam back and it was better than Romo’s when Romo’s was making batters, both right and left handers, look silly,

        • DrLefty

          I like Gearrin, too, but with his underwhelming spring, he’d probably sneak through waivers. The Giants could keep him in AAA.

          • Bapah

            I think he’s been hurt.

          • RobDeer

            Fingernail issue, no?

          • Bapah

            I thought it might be elbow, maybe shoulder. I have no memory and it isn’t all my fault. I think.

          • RobDeer

            I enjoy the hell outta you.

          • Bapah

            I was going to say something gracious.
            ….
            Damn. What was it?

          • DrLefty

            He has. Something with a cracked fingernail. Could start season on DL, I guess.

  • Michael Scott

    If Will can’t go, it leaves 2 spots open. 5 are locks (Melancon, Law, Strickland, Okert, Kontos). If they go with the traditional long guy, it’s a big time scrum there, so it leaves just one “true” reliever. I’d say that Ramirez suddenly becomes the front runner. If you look at the other candidates , Neil may be close to being a lock.
    IMO.

    • paul in p.v.

      Also – didn’t Lefty note that Ramirez is already on the 40?

      • Michael Scott

        I haven’t checked Lefty’s notes since she caught me doing it. But I don’t believe that he is on the 40. He’s a non-Roster Invitee. I don’t like that term. I rather like ” Our 2017 Guests of Honor.”

        • paul in p.v.

          Doesn’t that mean he’s in line for The Barney Fife Award – or whatever that’s called?

          • Michael Scott

            I don’t think that you can call yourself a Giants fan if you don’t know that it is the “Festus Haggen Award”

          • channelclemente

            Yep, Mr. Dillion.

      • Bapah

        NRI

      • DrLefty

        No, not yet.

    • Bapah

      I suspect Smith and Gearrin will not start on roster, but on DL.

  • paul in p.v.

    I’m starting to have premonitions of a lineup that doesn’t hit or score runs – Span 4-3, Pence pressing, Parker K’ing, and then suddenly the pressure’s on the IF and C to make it up. And Evans gives Big Hat Hill and Gorks for respite. Not so good.

    IMO los Gigantes better get creative with their 25-man roster, pronto.

    • channelclemente
      • channelclemente

        BR projected Giants team.

        https://i.imgur.com/Okgt9X6.png

        • paul in p.v.

          Since you put it that way – I feel better. I’m only really worried about Span and Parker.

          • channelclemente

            Just trying to lower your anxiety level. 😉

          • Michael Scott

            I’d like to see Blach really put away any doubt that he should be the rotation. The Big Three and two losers won’t cut it.

          • paul in p.v.

            We park our cars in the same garage.

        • buyselltrade

          Looks like Smith will be disabled.
          Also there is no long reliever / spot starter on the BR projected Giants team.
          No Tomilson or Blach, both who I want and expect to make the team but the fact that they have options left may have them at AAA to start.
          Ramirez was good today and had an excellent 2014 maybe could slide in for Smith?
          I hopefully want Cain to start the season on DL and Blach in rotation.

        • Lunch_Box

          Has Hwang gotten reps around the IF? I know he has played a game in LF, but unfortunately I don’t think Hwang will make the team because of that fact.

      • buyselltrade

        There are 4 young players originally signed by the SF Giants in BRs starting position players:

        Matt Duffy SS Rays
        Adam Duvall LF Reds
        Tommy Joseph 1b Phillies
        Andrew Susac C Twins

        • 22’sSweetSwing

          Giants aren’t missing any of those guys, atleast on the field.

  • channelclemente

    Not baseball: Sesame Street has introduced a new muppet character, Julia. She is autistic.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/julia-first-sesame-street-muppet-with-autism/

  • valleyfloorryan

    At least the guys the Giants traded to get Smith aren’t primed to bust out of the gates either. Susac has some shoulder ailment – he’s always banged up – and may be unlikely to make OD roster.

    Bickford got a pot bust and has 50 day suspension.

    • paul in p.v.

      I’m liking Trevor Brown more than Susac. Better D.

      Hate to say it, but backup C’s are very fungible…

      • Bapah

        Wheel Sea. Paul in Prune Valley

        • paul in p.v.

          Us geriatric Mexicanos resent that Bap!

    • Lunch_Box

      Was it Susac who was in Bochy’s doghouse like Schierholtz regarding playing time? I forgot if that was one of the factors, aside from being blocked by Posey, to being dealt to the Brewers.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        Somebody or somebodies are always in Bochy’s dog house.

        • RobDeer

          Whose dog house is bigger, Bochy’s or Chef’s?

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Chef runs a cat house.

          • RobDeer

            Well played, sir.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            I’m not as clever as some of you, but every once in a while I hit my pitch.

          • RobDeer

            Yeah, but you slap it to right.

          • Michael Scott
          • Michael Scott

            You guys are blocked by Efrain. If you want entry to my dog house, you’ll have to fight him for it.

          • RobDeer

            That’s sounds like a grand evening. I’ll bring the Sierra Nevada. And a vape. Cuz I’m a pothead boozehound.

          • Michael Scott

            I tried vaping medical marijuana when my hip was really painful. It was like smoking 10 cigarettes.

      • The Oracle

        I never read anything about Susac being in the dog house.

      • Michael Scott

        Well, why would you think that he would get much playing time with Buster here? It would not be a question of being in the dog house. I am sure that I am missing something, it would not be the first time.

      • Bapah

        No, I don’t think so.

    • Lunch_Box

      And it’s Bickford’s second offense.

  • Bapah

    Head’um up, move’m out. One week from tomorrow.

    • Matthew

      I think will be rich theater on the blog as the roster gets polished up

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Okay, back off the valley floor and around 1700 ft.

    Now let me get this straight. If Smith is out, if Blach is the 5th starter (or Sac?), and if Osich is optioned to Sac because he’s a mess, then it stands that Okert would be the only lefty in the pen. Do I have that right? Or is there some loogy in camp I don’t know about that now has an outside shot?

    Thanks in advance.

    Lolium multiflorum

    • John Victory Faust

      Roth? Tim, Hyman…something or another

      • earlytimes

        Michael and he’s pretty bad. Matt Reynolds would be preferable assuming he’s still a G?

    • earlytimes

      Maybe Blach becomes the other L reliever now. I don’t think they have another L reliever on the 40

      • DrLefty

        That’s my worry: They use Smith’s injury as an excuse to put Cain in the rotation and Blach in the bullpen.

        • Matthew

          Oh, book it

          • DrLefty

            Yep 😖

          • DrLefty

            #FreeBeede

          • Bapah

            I thought it was #Beedah.

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            That would blow the late season surprise but would be worth it. Nothing short of Cains arm falling off was going keep him from his fair well tour, this is the SFGIANTS were talking about.

          • Moooooooooose

            What I want to know is who is most responsible for this disastrous run the Giants have been on the last 10 years? Sabean was awful, we all know that. Evans is worse. Bochy should have been fired years ago. Shouldn’t have been hired in the first place after he was run out of San Diego. They’ve never had any good players, and the ones they had were kept in the lineup long after they served their purpose. It’ll be a miracle if they ever win anything!

          • Matthew

            I blame too many oooooooooo’s

          • Lunch_Box

            Agreed. Fire everyone but the ball dudes!

          • Dano

        • 22’sSweetSwing

          Barph!!!!!!!

    • Surf Maui

      Lopez is warming up his oxygen tank

  • RobDeer

    Lefty, if the Warriors manage to win this game do they have a chance of escaping the first round of the playoffs?

    • RobDeer

      What I do know is if they lose this game I’m gonna punch myself in the face.

    • DrLefty

      Maybe. I’m not being a hater, but I am a doubter. Even before KD was injured, they weren’t winning close games and/or games against elite teams. I just fear that their puffy stats are a bit of an illusion. Time will tell.

      • RobDeer

        I just don’t understand how the best record in the NBA is an illusion.

        • DrLefty

          Not a total illusion. They’re not the Lakers or the Nets. But do they have the staying power against good teams? I’m not convinced.

          • RobDeer

            Well, I’m glad they’re not the Lakers or the Nets. :o). I just think you’re more hyper sensitive to your own team since that’s who you’re watching. And the bar is set high. But name any other team in the league who you view as a threat and I’m sure I can give you multiple reasons why they can’t win it all.

          • DrLefty

            It’s the lack of success in close games that troubles me most. That’s a legit critique, I think.

          • RobDeer

            I think the roster makeover played a part in that, guys still figuring out who takes what shot when. And it didn’t help that they had so many blowouts, they didn’t have as many opportunities to play through those situations and learn from them, whereas other teams play them almost every night. I don’t think it’s gonna bite them.

          • RobDeer

            But this game is fun, isn’t it? And doesn’t Westbrook still owe Pachulia that payback that he promised? I hate him.

          • DrLefty

            I hate him, too. Complete and total jerk. I’m rooting for anyone but Westbrook for the MVP.

            And I would LOVE to see WB try to “pay back” Pachulia. Just let me grab my popcorn.

      • Matthew

        They came together after that absurd road trip. They’re baaaaaaaack

        • DrLefty

          I hope so. I’m still from Missouri. They were playing Philly, Orlando, and Milwaukee.

          • Matthew

            They were playing 8 games in 13 days across 24* time zones AND lost Durant in the first leg…

            * – approximation

          • DrLefty

            No, I get why that was a rough stretch. If they win this one going away without KD, that’s a statement.

          • 16

          • Kansas?

      • Wow
        Ouch

  • buyselltrade

    I was 11 at the time of the 23 inning game with the Mets.

    I was with my Mom and older sister somewhere in the general area of Dublin / San Ramon / Pleasanton.

    My older sister horse showed western pleasure and trail that day.

    The game(s), a double header, went on forever and I listened on the car radio, not that interested in the horse show.

    When we got home to Danville that evening the game was still on and my grandmother was stuck to the radio,

    That game was the game where Gaylord Perry became a force and remained so for many years.

    • Matthew

      I remember how open the valley was back in those days….Livermore was so far from 580…. Pleasanton was a tiny little town

      ( hey, I was grumpy yesterday…sorry if I came off snarky)

      • buyselltrade

        I was there as a child from 1959 to 1965.

        There was no freeway, only then HW 24.

        Good times with my friends was selling walnuts on HW24 on Fall weekends and riding our bikes the 6 miles into Walnut Creek to go to the Army-Navy Surplus.

        I used to go with Mom and sometimes grandmother on SF Giants rooter buses from the parking lot of San Ramon High to Candlestick.

        Never mind that, none of us are never edgy.

  • RobDeer

    Boom

    • Matthew

      So, officially: Boom Trey?

      • RobDeer

        David West is gonna really help them in the playoffs. Speights looked good in the regular season, especially in high octane games when he could just let it fly and defense wasn’t a priority. They never trusted him in the postseason, which I understand. West’s game will play in tight playoff games.

        • Matthew

          I agree, dear

  • Matthew

    “Players only” is a flawed idea

    • RobDeer

      But “Members Only” was one helluva jacket.

      • Matthew

        Nothing quite as impressive as Larry Gatlin sporting the look

        • RobDeer

          Unless it was Chris Gatling.

          • Matthew

            Nice scar, dude

          • RobDeer

            It kinda fit him.

      • I have mine

    • totalfan62

      Hate it. Professional PxP guy is a must.

  • Michael Scott

    Of the position players, none of the fringies seemed to help their cause,but nobody hurt it. As a way of showing how tight the races for those few spots available, only Fed-Ex and Jones are out of the running, although Rollins and Beckham are on life support.
    IMO.

    • Beckhams done. But my anxiety rests with the #5 spot in the rotation.

  • RobDeer

    I could list several things that Steve Kerr does better than Mark Jackson but the most obvious one that you see at least a couple times a game is the Warriors getting an easy bucket coming out of a timeout from a play he just drew up.

    • Matthew

      Way, way better coach.
      Way, way better color announcer.
      Way, way better human being (never ONCE used the term “my guys”…) (no, they weren’t)

      • RobDeer

        You didn’t enjoy watching Jackson refuse to call a timeout when the opposition was on a 14-2 run?

        • Matthew

          Ughh

    • The Oracle

      Actually, Jackson was good at that as well. It’s just about everything else that Kerr is better at.

      • Asst coach Michael Malone was in charge of those.

        • The Oracle

          I knew that I was you I saw in their huddle.

  • Matthew

    “My name is Russell. Look at me…..LOOK AT MEEEEEE!!!!!!”

    • totalfan62

      It’s not always that, Bro. Sometimes yes, but he works hard for his team.

      • Matthew

        specific to his tattered jeans pre-game look they were showing!

        BUT….he works hard for himself first, team 2nd. I said this above: teammates are regressing, and he’s partly to blame

        • totalfan62

          That’s true too.

  • Michael Scott

    Is Blach up tomorrow? With a good outing he might be able to end the competition. I’m still of the mind that Cain will either hit the DL or go to extended spring training.
    Talk to you all tomorrow.

    • 12xu

      Giants website says Bumgarner vs Cahill (Padres), 1:05 p.m. PT, Scottsdale Stadium, MLB radio only. For Wednesday’s game, the Giants SP is listed as TBD.

  • 22’sSweetSwing

    How can you folks not be watching the wbc? Is there a paler Puerto Rican than Kike Hernandez?

    • Efrain

      Stupid comment

    • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

      Seems like Seth Lugo and Alex Claudio don’t produce significant melanin either, but I was definitely watching as I will be tonight and tomorrow.

      Last night’s tilt had a bit of everything, even Dave Groeschner coming out on the field. There were mental lapses, over-zealous pride, monster homeruns, concussion protocol testing, rifle arms, stellar plays in the field, almost old school blockage of home plate, instant replays on extremely close plays, fireballers on the bump, and a sac fly to end it all.

  • 12xu

    Bummer for Bam-Bam, Netherlands loses to Puerto Rico 4-3 in 11.

    • Andres The Forever Giant

      Bummer for me too with that 11th inning automatic-runners rule. I just hate it, even though PR managed to escape the manufactured jam, but then they advance because of it!

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        Isn’t MLB kicking that idea around – and the WBC is just the testing grounds? It wasn’t so bad, it worked, but instituting that rule in the 11th is too early. At least give the tied teams a couple of innings to untie themselves. Maybe start with runners on in the 13th? It’s very unnatural though.

        • DrLefty

          I read that the main reason for that 11th inning rule in the WBC is so that they don’t overwork pitchers in March by going indefinitely. Jansen only threw 9 pitches for the Netherlands because the Dodgers insisted one inning and that’s it.

          Anyway, it’s a different deal in MLB, and I doubt it will ever happen.

          • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

            Exactly. I was quite surprised when Edwin Diaz came in for the 11th. They mentioned that he would be one inning limited as was Kenley. Seattle GM was probably ulcerating. Quite a rookie year for that guy. Over 15 K/9 IP last year. 18 saves.

          • 610nm

            I certainly hope that last sentence is true. Doing this in the ASG and the WBC has its point, though, as they are exhibition games. In the regular season, the Japanese pro league plays up to three extra innings, and then declares the game a tie. That would be fine for the ASG, and even in the early rounds of the WBC, but can’t apply in the knockout round.

        • Surf Maui

          Are you kidding me? Don’t start it before the 100th inning.

          • valleyfloorryan

            You’re definitely correct. But if some crazy rule of expedience is going to be instituted because of the powers that be, may as well angle for some compromise.

  • totalfan62

    Very impressive win by the Warriors. Best I’ve seen them play since KD went down. Answering the challenge–that what the elite teams do. Warriors took my Thunder out of their game early, and our guys imploded from there. Poor defensive rebounding and missed free throws hurt, but OKC is not an upper tier playoff team this year.

    • Matthew

      The Dubs started getting it together in the 2nd half of their first home game (after the Trip From Hell) against the Sixers, and have now rolled everyone since – a 4 game stretch. The mental adjustments to not having KD took awhile. The physical toll of that trip…but they are now in the home stretch.

      From the outside, it sure looks like the rest of the team around Westbrook has regressed as they stand and watch him, fully expecting him to decide what happens at every moment. Great talent. Pea brain

      • DrLefty

        Westbrook has had some of his worst games of the year against the Warriors. I think they’re in his head, between his disdain for Curry, his grudge against Durant, and I’m guessing he doesn’t like Green very much, either. Oh, and he was going to “get” Zaza, too, right? He attempted some crazy-looking shots as the W’s were starting to roll last night, like he was desperate.

        • totalfan62

          I think you’re right. The Dubs have played well against us, and that just makes it worse. I’ll continue to say, though–he’s the heart and soul of the team and he puts the team on his back nearly every game. He just needs more talent around him. I’m confident Presti and Donovan will fix that.

          • Matthew

            It sure looks to be a bit chicken and egg: Adams is a Top 5 center (or better). Oladipo is solid if not spectacular. Kanter is young but talented…I will stand firm in that Westbrook’s style is hurting his teammates development. there is “putting a team on his back”, and there is “taking the ball and running away”.

            The reason Monta Ellis was a terrible fir for the Warriors is because the ball was in his hands for about 20 out of every 24 second clock. Those around him immediately blossomed when he left. Russell would do his team a favor by letting go and letting others carry the team more

          • DrLefty

            I’ll have to take your word for it, since really the only time I’ve seen him play is vs. the Warriors, and he doesn’t impress. But obviously he’s had a monster year, stats-wise. It’s just hard to take someone seriously as a “heart and soul” of a team when he’s so disrespectful towards others. He just seems like a real jerk. I understand why he’s miffed at Durant, but his rudeness towards Curry these last couple years is pretty uncalled-for and inexcusable, IMO.

      • Efrain

        Regressed? Name a star player around him? Their only chance of winning is Westbrook doing Westbrook. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t.

        • 2holehitting

          That will work as well as Harden v Harden, and Kobe v Kobe and Lebron V Lebron. You need the supporting cast

        • Matthew

          Your point has little to do with mine.

          Regressed? Steven Adams would be a star on many other teams. Roberson looks way worse. Now, this could be because they just aren’t getting better…but the biggest issue that OKC has is that Russell believes what you said. It’s not a winning formula in the long run

          • The Oracle

            Adams is a nice player, but a potential “star” and a top 5 center? Neither the numbers nor the eye test back that up.

          • Matthew

            Mine eyes have seen the glory of the Kiwi…watch him get there once freed from the role of observer

          • The Oracle

            He doesn’t have a lot of offensive game, and his rebounding and blocked totals, neither of which have anything to do with how much Westbrook controls the ball, are particularly impressive.

  • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

    Shout out to ClutchUp – Vladimir Balentin is his guy. He’d be buffalo roaming LF and blasting moonshots to the Giant Glove if it was up to CU.

    Shout out to dgg. I’m pretty sure she also selected Parker for the coveted opening day left field gig.

    • HaakAway

      And dgg is the only one that predicted Will Smith would be on the DL. Maybe that is her doctor’s eye? And so she has Osich and Okert on the 25Man; and Parker and Williamson both on there too.

      • Foothills rye aka Lolium m.

        The suspense builds. The plot thickens. Intrigue abounds.

        Is Kelby a lock or will his option chain him to the rock known as AAA?

        Who will be the 2nd bullpen lefty? Ty Blach?

        Who will be Parker’s counterpart in LF?

        Will Hwang accept assignment to AAA or will Giants have to roster him?

        • HaakAway

          I think it will take all 24+ predictions for one of us to get it right. Many variables there; do the math.

        • crawnik

          And will Ramirez replace Gearrin?

          • paul in p.v.

            Does he look as nasty as his numbers indicate?

          • Peter Johnson

            In 2014 as a rookie with the Cubs he had a 1.44 ERA in 50 games pitched .

      • 610nm

        I put Smith on my DL on Sunday, in order to save the optionless Gearrin. Not having him for most of the season would be a significant blow. But room for the young Giants to grow up in, perhaps?

        • totalfan62

          So did I, even before this latest news. Haven’t submitted yet, but I have both Smith and Cain opening on the DL.

        • HaakAway

          I got that change on your predictions and others may take the same route if Smith is confirmed to be down for a while.

  • HaakAway

    25Man Predictions are welcome here.
    24 [love that number] of us made MyGuy™ predictions on Feb. 25; all of you can now update those for March 25 or new folks enter in.
    Basically what did these guys look like from the back of their baseball cards but now what do you think after a month of games?

    Give your predictions in reply to any HaakAway post so I can write it down and see who gets the closest among all of us FakeGMs™.

  • Baldheadslikk1

    Guys in the NBA think Steph is a punk mainly because he doesnt walk around with a stupid scowl on his face as if he’s trying to scare everyone ! Steph pound for pound is a very strong man and imho would rip the shi. out of Russell W! Westbrook talks a lot and has always had a jealous disdain for Steph since day 1!

    • Efrain

      U cray Slikk, Westbrook would smash Curry in a sec.
      That being said, that’s not Curry’s game but it was good to see him get emotional and physical (he actually instigated it when you really look at it).
      Dubs have a number of games this season where they have showed no heart, neeed to get that going before play offs.

      • 2holehitting

        I give steph a pass on the instigation. You know it is a head game, they pound him on drives to the rim, when ever he cuts inside are darts around. They hit him with hips, elbows and buts. Showing that he is not intimidated and can dish out as well is good for him and his game.

      • Matthew

        Matt Barnes/Draymond Green: No problem

      • giantc

        Westbrook wins in a fist fight, but he was outclassed big time on the floor last night. He would get lost on defense and lose focus while Steph was moving without the ball. Both teams played without KD last night and the Warriors still dominated in OKC.
        Westbrook does need better shooters around him, but the Warriors are also the best in the league in defending the perimeter. Their big guys also play smart against Westbrook and jump straight up while he is out of control going to the basket.

        • totalfan62

          When Kerr became their coach, the Warriors became the best team in the NBA at spacing and ball movement. Factor in dead eye shooters like Steph and Klay they’re nearly unbeatable. Impressive W last night w/o KD.

  • Baldheadslikk1

    Will Smith aaah say it aint so damnit you never know about these pitchers! For some strange reason im not to concerned about the fresh prince !

  • paul in p.v.

    It’s ironic that Will Smith’s injury could be good news for Matt Cain:

    http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/3/20/14990922/2017-san-francisco-giants-will-smith-elbow-injury-bullpen

    “Though Ty Blach is more likely to challenge Matt Cain for the fifth spot in the rotation, he could see some time in the bullpen if necessary. Kraig Sitton, Matt Reynolds, and Michael Roth are the other left-handers hanging around Arizona, though none of them are on the 25-man roster and would require the Giants to make a roster move.” Yuck.

    • Kramerica

      I’m officially pushing the panic button on Smith. Second time in a relatively short period he’s experiencing elbow pain. I just really hope it’s not season ending, Giants really need him at the back end of the pen.

  • Bapah

    This one is perfect for this crowd.

    “Brain fog” is not a medical condition. It’s a term used for certain symptoms that can affect your ability to think. (period)

    • Bapah

      [raises hand]

      • 610nm

        [waving back at Bapah]

        • Sgbssfg

          It’s a mirror, son.

  • crawnik

    Barry Bonds: “I am excited to be back home with the Giants and join the team in an official capacity. San Francisco has always been …

  • Bapah

    Tim Flannery tweets:

    “Hey baseball experts, you don’t like the game don’t watch it, leave it alone, rent a movie..too long for your mind. Play video games. Stinks”

    They found a way to shorten the game at least for me. I will shut the tv off every time you just put runners on base. Pussyfied the game.Out

    I’m out of my mind tonight. I was loving the theatre, drama, the stories, then you turned the game into a scrimmage. See you opening day.

    Did Trump put this rule into the WBC..it don’t make baseball great again, he’s on a roll…

    Goodnight…my last thought. I rather see both managers decide game with dizzy dizzy bat race than just hypothetically change the energy.

    • Surf Maui

      Ditto!

      • 610nm

        Here we not only have your tale of a 22 inning game, but about three others below have expressed themselves semi-poetically about it. Absolutely no one will remember a runner gifted onto base in the 11th, even one month later.
        By the way, your post above is pretty epic.

    • paul in p.v.

      Total bullshit.

      • Bapah

        Which? Flannery’s comments, or the events of the latter innings?

        • paul in p.v.

          Adding the penalty kick in the 11th inning. What a feckin’ travesty.

          • Bapah

            Actually, a PK somewhere in the game might be entertaining.

  • crawnik
  • Bapah

    Think back in recent history and tell me that some of the most recent welcome acquisitions were NOT, Panik’s call-up, Duffy’s promotion and placement in the line-up at third, Etc.
    Your fond memories will not include Rollins, Beckham, or any other re-treads making this team.

    Sweet Jesus, Bobby, Sabey, Big Head, get your Scheiss together.

    • Michael Scott

      Think back about how many “retreads” have been key contributors in the last few years. You’re semi-smart, give it thought and get back to me.
      As to Crawford “finally” being put into the starting line-up- he was in the starting lineup right away, had a slam on day one.

      • Bapah

        No, he wasn’t.

        • Bapah

          There were, at least, two others

        • Michael Scott

          Nope, check the game logs.

          • Bapah

            Let’s ask around, you and I may have Brain Fog.

          • Bapah

            My memory sucks, but Renteria and Cabrera were there, no?

          • Peter Johnson

            Tejada and Cabera, Renteria was not on the Giants in 2011.

          • Bapah

            Thanks

          • Michael Scott

            Crawford came up in late May, not ready , but started right away- sucked, Cabrera was picked up late, he sucked too.Crawford became the starter for good in 2012,

          • paul in p.v.

            He sucked so bad the pitchers wanted to keep him at SS – instead they got OCabo and Tenada for the rest of that stinking season. (Tenada may have washed out after he refused to sacrifice bunt.) That also may have been the season we saw:

            2B, Huff.

          • Michael Scott

            Tejada played 3rd after Craw came up.

          • Michael Scott

            Huff played one game at 2nd base in 2012,The republic survived , Never in 2011.

      • paul in p.v.

        Yeah – then they got Cabrera and sent him down.

        • Michael Scott

          They gave him over 200 ABs- he was still at the Mendoza line, so they picked up Cabrera- it didn’t work out, but the idea that he wasn’t given a chance is total bullshit. And then as I said, he became the starter for good the next year.

          • The Oracle

            Yes. They made the very wise decision of sending down a young guy who was a poor hitter but excellent fielder so they could play an old guy who was a poor hitter and poor fielder.

          • Matthew

            exactly…some folks live on revisionist history and selective information

          • Michael Scott

            Crawford was an emergency call up. He wasn’t ready and they knew he wasn’t ready. Maybe you can scour your brain and remember how crazy the situation was. Regardless of how it turned out, Crawford was better off that he was sent down. His confidence at the plate was shot.

          • The Oracle

            You need to give this one up, pal. The Giants were in a pennant race and made a dumb decision based on the apparent philosophy that any veteran must be better than any rookie. Defense is the #1 requirement at shortstop, and they had that with Crawford out there. Cabrera gave them nothing at all. Whether Crawford was better off being sent down is debatable, but the only relevant consideration at that point was whether the team was better off. It clearly wasn’t.

          • Michael Scott

            They clearly were not winning it with Crawford that year. It would have hurt him to keep sending him out there. AND it would not help the team if he had stayed up.

          • paul in p.v.

            “Total bullshit.” Sure. Even @ .200 he was better than OCab, who couldn’t hit or field. Craw’s value was in the field, but he got shipped out after his first slump. Replacing him with that washed-up bum was a stupid move that destabilized the IF and sent the team into a death spiral.

            The whole point of this argument is to avoid giving regular jobs to washed-up bums, isn’t it?

          • Michael Scott

            OK,we can argue this all day, but the original comments were about
            how long it was before he became a starter. I gave the correct answer, and I’m always here to help you.

    • Matthew

      the retreads that DID succeed were when there weren’t better options – the idea of Rollins isn’t the “retread that can contribute” category, but rather the “Cabrera?!?!?!?!?!” category. Regardless of the Team Retread Support Group’s claims

    • Kramerica

      My understanding is the only guys with a chance to make the team are Hill, Hwang, [backup CF] and possibly Morse. My understanding is Rollins and Beckham have absolutely no shot. Did I miss something other than Rollins is in the lineup today?

  • crawnik

    Today’s lineup vs. The Friars:

    3/21 #SFGSpring lineup vs SD:
    Span CF
    Panik 2B
    Pence RF
    Parker LF
    Marrero 1B
    Gillaspie 3B
    Hundley C
    Rollins SS
    Bumgarner P

    • valleyfloorryan

      Hmmm. Kelby not at SS again. How can this be interpreted?

      Perhaps just giving Rollins every opportunity to prove he does not have enough in the tank?

      • paul in p.v.

        That’s the only rational interpretation.

        • Bapah

          Oh, NOW you’re including “rational” into the equation?

        • valleyfloorryan

          and what fans and management see as the rational way aren’t always the same path.

          the object is SS coverage. If not Kelby, or Rollins, then who?

          Nunez? Hwang? Panik?

          • paul in p.v.

            I think we saw Nuñez @ SS last season. Panik was signed as a SS. But then you gotta play Huff @ 2B again.

          • giantc

            LOL — Huff at second was pretty funny. Morse came up as a SS — I kid you not. That would even be funnier than when Huff tried to play second.

            I see no way that Rollins makes the team.

          • Michael Scott

            Huff must have been REALLY funny -he played *one* game there 5 years ago.

          • paul in p.v.

            Yer just grumpy today.

          • Michael Scott

            I’m in a fine mood. You made it even better.

          • :-/

          • Peter Johnson

            Nunez , he is a Shortstop, that happens to be playing 3rd base for the Giants, because the Giants have a Gold Glove Shortstop already on the roster .

      • Michael Scott

        If you know how these things go, it probably means that Kelby is the front runner.

        • valleyfloorryan

          my sense is that the fans watching the games, and following closely in some capacity have Kelby as the front runner. But the Giants know how to mix in the curveball and keep everyone guessing.

          Is your feeling that Kelby is the undisputed front runner for the job and that bad things would have to happen for him to start season in Sacramento?

          • Michael Scott

            Kelby has an option but he’s not going down unless somebody else forces the issue.
            IMO.

          • valleyfloorryan

            You see, when you put “IMO” at the end of your statement, the resolute certainty I am looking for goes out the window.

            Is Kelby a Kryptonite lock, or more of a double knot holding the barn door shut?

          • Michael Scott

            I only add the IMO to give you folks a chance to prove me wrong. Never happens.

          • DrLefty

            If anyone pushes KT to the minors–and no one should, but I can’t rule it out–it would likely be Hill or Hwang.

          • Christopher Boyd

            Hwang most likely with Morse to DL

      • Christopher Boyd

        Sacramento…

        • 22’sSweetSwing

          for Kelby, I hope not. For Rollins, NFL.

  • Peter Johnson

    Will Smith MRI bad, could need TJ surgery .

    • Bapah

      Any other details?

      • Cueball

        Here’s what Schulman posted:

        Henry Schulman @hankschulman 7m7 minutes ago

        Smith MRI seems to indicate UCL issue with Smith. Not good. Heading to SF to see Dr. Akizuki. This is not going to be short-term. #sfgiants

        • giantc

          Too bad as I really like Smith. Get the TJ surgery done now and he could be ready by next season as the Giants control him through 2019. IMO this makes the 5th starter all the more important as they cannot have Cain only going 4-5 innings and taxing the now thinner pen every fifth start.

      • Peter Johnson

        Baggerly tweets, going to see Giants team doctor in San Francisco, do not know if he needs TJ surgery, either way will be out for a long time .

        • valleyfloorryan

          “This is not good folks”

          • Michael Scott

            They will be OK. Huff is coming back to join the pitching staff- when he isn’t playing 2nd base.

          • valleyfloorryan

            David Huff, the lefty pitcher? You know what they say about teaching your kids to throw rocks left handed? They’ll always have work.

          • Michael Scott

            I was joking- the dunderheads down there in the boiler room are still freaked because Aubrey Huff played one game at 2nd base in 2012.

        • Matthew

          Damn…poor dude. Hope he recovers

    • Kramerica

      I figured this would be the case after leaving the game with elbow pain only a few weeks before previously missing ST action with elbow soreness. I would not count on seeing him this year. Hope I’m wrong, but the Giants need to be prepared to be without him.

    • Christopher Boyd

      Could = Will. Just a matter of time.

  • Best repeated news of the camp @extrabaggs Barry Bonds is joining Giants as a special advisor to CEO Larry Baer.

    • paul in p.v.

      Does this mean BB25 will be on the biz (as opp/to baseball) side of things?

      • Yes but they won’t be able to keep a bat out of his hands when players start gawking at him in Scottsdale.

    • valleyfloorryan

      Wladimir Balentien says “hello”.

      • I was recruiting him for Sabes since Dave Roberts left the G’s. 🙂

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1jnWQkdSI8

        • valleyfloorryan

          You must have seen what he was up to last night. He was a monster in WBC!

          • I believe his legal consumption of vitamins to be off the charts…

          • valleyfloorryan

            I believe it. Beast mode.

            Carlos Correa looks ready to absolutely take off. 40 HRs, 110 RBIs, MVP…

            He’s filling out nicely, hopefully with sanctioned products.

    • Christopher Boyd

      Hensley Muelens, white courtesy telephone…..

  • Michael Scott

    My guess on Rollins is that he will decide to retire and it would be arranged that he would retire as a Philly.
    Wait for it…

  • The Oracle

    A male weightlifter, in his 30s, decides that he identifies as a woman. Then, after lowering his/her testosterone level with hormones, enters a female weightlifting contest and crushes the competition. Fairness, not political correctness, should rule in athletic competition.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/34720066/kiwi-transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbards-win-causes-stir-among-female-aussie-competitors/#page1

    • Michael Scott

      Huff again!

    • DrLefty

      Didn’t something like this happen in reverse in Texas a couple weeks ago? A girl wrestler (high school) was transitioning to being a boy and taking testosterone. The state laws insisted she wrestle as her birth gender (girl). She won the state championship, arguably unfairly because the testosterone gave her an advantage. In this case, though, the state laws dictated the process.

  • Christopher Boyd

    Sir Hensley has been put on notice. Bonds is in the building

    • Michael Scott

      Bam-Bam is safe.

      • Christopher Boyd

        For now…..

        • Michael Scott

          When Bam-Bam leaves it will be when he gets a manager’s job. And he will get one- maybe even here.

          • 610nm

            That’s an interesting view, and contrarian enough to be up to Scott standards. You would really pick Sir Bam-Bam over Wotus?

          • Michael Scott

            I didn’t say that. I said that Bam-Bam might get the gig here. I do think that Wotus deserves it. I hope that both of them will be managers. Hardly contrarian of me. Sorry.

          • 610nm

            Both is a great answer!

    • Keep’n It Real

      Barry isn’t going to travel like that anymore. Look at the articles surrounding his exit from the Marlins. He was losing interest.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Well that’s a bummer…yet convenient.

    Alex Pavlovic‏ @AlexPavlovic 5m5 minutes ago
    Morse (hamstring) said to be out “a while.” Brutal break for him, he was on track to be on opening day roster.

    • Surf Maui

      Good thing we signed Bonds to a consulting deal. I love. Michael Morse, but I would think that he could still play a better left field and hit better than Morse right this minute

      • Keep’n It Real

        Based upon his weight, I would think he could pass any tests they throw at him now.

      • Keep’n It Real

        BTW…very impressive collection!

    • Christopher Boyd

      He was on the 25. I would guess Hwang just made the club unless they go 3 catchers

      • DrLefty

        I like Hwang. I didn’t like the idea of them risking losing him, since he can opt out if he doesn’t make the team.

  • DrLefty

    With all of these sad developments:

    –cross out Morse and Mac for the 25-man roster out of camp
    –Smith to the 60-day DL, opens up a 40-man spot for someone like Hwang or Hill
    –Will Blach or Osich be the lefty out of the bullpen along with Okert?
    –Does this mean Cain is absolutely the #5 starter (if Blach’s in the pen), or is there a chance that it’s Beede time?

    Good news for: Marrero, Hill, and Hwang. Mac and Morse were strong competition for a RH power bat off the bench. One or two of those guys will get a spot on the roster.

    Mixed news for: Blach. On the one hand, he may be with the big club all year, taking Smith’s spot. On the other, career-wise, it’s better to be in a starting rotation.

    Bad news for: Smith, obviously. And the Giants in general. Even if Blach takes Smith’s spot in the pen–and I feel good that Blach can succeed at doing that–it has the effect of weakening the rotation substantially if Cain becomes the default choice rather than the merit choice.

    • Christopher Boyd

      I don’t think this is a loss per se if Beede gets the ball in May rather than Blach with Blach in the pen. Long term that might be where both ended up depending on Cueto re-upping.

      • DrLefty

        Big IF on Beede, but yes, I’d agree he has the most upside of any.

    • valleyfloorryan

      I missed it , what happend to Morse? How come he’s out?

      • Cueball

        Pulled his left hamstring rounding first base yesterday. Saying he might be out “for a while.”

        • valleyfloorryan

          thanks – just saw tweet.

          you know what they say: when it reigns, it pores.

          • Cueball

            I know…Hill, Morse, Brown, Morris. Makes you wonder how many more will fall before the season begins. (Granted some of these are probably minor injuries.)

          • valleyfloorryan

            It would be too good to be true if no injuries. As long as likes of Buster, Crawford, Bumgarner and Cueto are healthy, they will survive.

          • Cueball

            Bochy to Mike Murphy: “Bubble wrap. Murph, bring me more bubble wrap.”

          • DrLefty

            I had to look up who “Morris” was. I thought it was just another Duane Kuiper joke.

      • DrLefty

        Hurt his hammy during the game yesterday, apparently badly enough that he has no shot to make the team out of camp now.

    • crawnik

      All these injuries with Bonds coming aboard as a special assistant at the same time. Is it a curse? I say this because the Giants have had success without him in any type of capacity in the front office the last 8 seasons. I say it jokingly, though it is quite the coincidence.

    • Michael Scott

      Come opening day I don’t think that Matt will be on the 25-man. Blach will probably get the 5 but he’s not a lock to be on the team at all. Besides Beede, and maybe even more so, Stratton could be back on the radar.
      2 weeks is an eternity- especially with all the injuries. Players can drop out of it, and get right back in. I don’t even rule out Ruggie.
      IMO.

      • DrLefty

        Yeah, I’d say Ruggiano is still in the mix, especially with neither Span nor Gorkys having a great spring (he can play CF) and Mac and Morse injured. Ruggiano is, after all, an actual outfielder, unlike Hill, Hwang, or Beckham.

        You raise a good point about Stratton, in part because the Giants will be looking to manage Beede’s innings in 2017. If Cain is not able and Blach goes to the bullpen, it could be Stratton filling in for awhile.

  • 22’sSweetSwing

    The loss of Smith isn’t going to keep this team from the playoffs, the lack of good hitters will. Is there a good replacement for Smith internally? Probably. Can they just push everyone up in the order and put the new guy at the bottom of the list? If it had to happen atleast it happened before everyone had settled into their role.

    • Michael Scott

      It looks like a good LU.

    • DrLefty

      Well, other than the obvious (Blach, Osich, Okert), they also have Matt Reynolds in camp (who pitched briefly for them last year), and Matt Gage was a lefty starter in AA last year who had a nice season for them. That’s about all I can think of, though. They drafted a high-risk/high-upside lefty, Matt Krook, last year, but he’s a long ways off, if ever.

      • Michael Scott

        Josh was on the verge of a disastrous outing yesterday but he got out of it with minimal damage-and now he might be the front runner to join Okert on the staff. Really sad about Will. With his injury history, this might even be career ending.

        • DrLefty

          Yes, big bummer about Smith. The bullpen just went from pretty solid to a little scary. Hope Josh puts it all together, as he maybe has the best stuff of any of those guys.

      • totalfan62

        What’s the ETA for the “other” Suarez, I think Andrew is his first name? He was a high draft pick in maybe 2013-2014? Grasping at straws, I know. My first reply to a good buddy in Central Calif (re Smith loss) was similar to yours. The “good young lefties” are already here!

  • Michael Scott

    Ehire seems to have a chance to stick with the Twins and Runzler might have a shot at making the Bucs. It would be a long way back for Dan, you have to root for the guy.

  • The Giants vs Mets game lasted 23 innings, not 22 ………..

  • trun

    Surf Maui, I enjoyed the game on Wednesday. Thank you for entertaining me.

  • Cookonbooks

    Any Chance you have extra blank Official Giants or A’s scorebooks? What’s the Score used to have a surpluss, but now these seem to be out of print.

  • Eleuthero

    Surf … I answered the Mike Cameron and Bret Boone question correctly TWICE but Disqus is throwing my answers away. Sigh. Your hint about Seattle, 2002 was google-able. I googled “Seattle 2002 two homers one inning”. That Disqus is going crazy there’s no doubt as all the “replies” below are months old.