Baseball’s Dignity and Grace, Jose Fernandez, and the Miami Marlins

by
GreekGiant

With the tragic death of Jose Fernandez the baseball world mourns in its unique way. Last night, in their first game since the star pitcher’s fatal boating accident, The Miami Marlins commemorated their teammate in a series of powerful and moving gestures before and during the game against the New York Mets.

The Marlins Come Through

First, they announced they would retire Fernandez’s number 16 after every player wore the number with “Fernandez” on the back of their jerseys. Evidently it took a small miracle and some fast maneuvering for Majestic to fabricate and deliver the uniforms in time for the game.

Second, the Marlins conducted a beautiful ceremony before the game with a lovely rendition of “Take Me Out to the Ballgame” played on a lone trumpet by a color guard. Just before the game the team convened on the mound and inscribed their own personal messages in the dirt around the rubber, to their former teammate. The sight was spectacular. Each player had written their own dedications on their caps as well.

Third, to start the game, Dee Gordon, the left-handed leadoff hitter for the Marlins, positioned himself for the first pitch of the game wearing Fernandez’s batting helmet, from the right side of the plate. After taking a pitch he switched back to his customary left-side and promptly hit a home run. The second baseman rounded the bases in tears and was mobbed by his teammates. Importantly, the Marlins won the game 7-3. The sight was made for Hollywood. It was magical and unforgettable, a moment only baseball could provide.

Innocence, Honor and Contemplation in Baseball

During the broadcast, Marlins color analyst Al Leiter remarked that baseball is unique to all other sports for the simple fact of how many games are played and how long the season is. Players become a family and get to know each other in very intimate and emotionally powerful ways. I believe this is true for fans as well. The game of baseball provides for a level of innocence and contemplation not found in hockey, football, basketball or any other team sport. It’s history and its pace make for an experience that bestows dignity and grace on the relationship between fans and players. Anyone who loves baseball was surely grieving over the news of Jose Fernandez’s death. Anyone who ever watched him pitch or who knew the basic elements of his life story and his work in the Miami community would feel this loss to the game we love and to his family.

The Marlins were in a terrible position yesterday. They had to play a silly game with bats and balls while in unconscionable grief. Then they had to honor their teammate and friend in front of the eyes of the sporting world. They succeeded with humility and grace on both counts. They deserve a tip of our collective caps. Let’s remember Jose Fernandez for the great player and the fine young man he was. Let’s celebrate the unique qualities that only baseball offers us when we think about this game and what it means to each of our lives.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Thanks as always, GG.

    Do you live in Miami or within a couple of hours? I forget.

    • I live an hour away and I have been to several Marlins games.

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        Been riding your motorcycle?

        • Here and there! The best thing about living in South Florida is that you can ride year-round!

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Watch out for sinkholes. I worry about you South Floridians.

          • The elderly drivers are a much bigger danger than sinkholes!

          • Keep’n It Real

            LOL. I live next to a few 55+ communities (which I can now move in…sad) and the older residents definitely pose a problem on the roads…regular or freeway. My many years living in the Bay Area…with new drivers coming in from different countries…sure helped with my awareness training. It’s almost like having Jedi powers and knowing the driver’s clueless move…before it even happens.

      • By the way, It takes a lot for me to say something nice about the Marlins! Their owner, Jeffrey Loria, is the most-hated owner in baseball for good reason and he also happened to drive my boyhood team and first baseball love, the Montreal Expos, into the ground!

        • BALDHEADSLIKK

          The Expos are a huge part of the baseball landscape and i wish they would return to the show!

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            The Nats!

          • BALDHEADSLIKK

            I know but id like to see baseball in Montreal,Quebec !

          • I hate the Walgreens, their stupid name, stupid uniforms, and history of caving once they get to the postseason (actually, that part I like).

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            You’ll love em when they knock the Dodgers out.

          • Yes, indeed! I will be rooting for them in that series!

          • Postseason baseball, like politics, makes for strange bedfellows!

          • Peter Johnson

            Like the Dodges chances, Ramos injured last night, Harper injured, Murphy injured, Stasburg injured .

          • That is going to be an interesting series.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Ouch. Not good folks.

            Heard Kluber came out for Cleveland. They are really injured.

          • TheSincere

            WORD!

          • Montreal is one of the top ten biggest cities/markets in North America. There are people working on getting a team. It will happen once they find the right owners and once they build a new park downtown. It might take 5-7 years. The commissioner has already said he wants it to happen. I hope it does too. It is a historic city for baseball as Slikk points out. The home of Jackie Robinson and Roberto Clemente, where they played their first professional games!

          • Ham & Egging It

            If Donald Sutherland read this he would cry.

          • TheSincere

            As ya know, I grew up a Bucco fan, and Expos/Pirates games were good times back in the day. I miss seeing the Expos. I even have an Expos shirt lol.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Hubie Brooks jersey?

          • TheSincere

            Lol no. But good call. They had some great teams in the late 70s/early 80s. I wore my Expos shirt when I was in Toronto a year ago, but sadly, I got no comments.

        • TheSincere

          I hope the Marlins relocate to Montreal. Definitely would love to see the Expos again. Montreal is #1 on my list of cities to visit.

          • The Marlins are not going to relocate but Montreal will probably get an expansion team.

          • Let me know when you go. I will set you up with some must-see tips.

          • TheSincere

            Definitely, dude.

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            You love to expose yourself? What? Near playgrounds? What?!?

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            ps- static was interrupting Kuip on the AM show this morning so switched to my classic rock and Too Late for Love playing…

            I was thinking, man, I need to get Def Leppard T-shirt to go with my Floyd and Jeff Beck shirts.

            Should I go Hysteria, Pyromania, or On Through the Night?

          • TheSincere

            I have a “Hysteria” tour shirt that a friend of mine gave me some years back. Classic. Also, try to find the comic book one. I had that when I was 16 but wore it out lol. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4e117898463d2fbf9dbe229f7aadaa12c3bd868547e369c3eec6578692fa283e.jpg

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            That’s awesome. Thanks for the reminder about that one, Joe.

  • Bapah

    I’ll probably get roasted for this, but all I can think about this is, stupid, stupid, stupid. Most of us get away with the stupid mistakes and decisions we make in our youth.

    Just a pity.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      No roasting, you’re right through and through.

    • Truly stupid, tragic and very very sad.

    • Matthew

      Are there reports out on the cause? I assume so, based on what your take is?

      • Peter Johnson

        Reckless driving in dangerous conditions , and Jose even asked some of his Marlins teammates to go out on the boat with him and they all refused, so he went out with two of his non Baseball friends, they could not talk him out of going out on the boat, he was upset and wanted to go out to sea on the boat to calm down ..

        • Matthew

          Thanks for the sad info, PJ

          • Sgbssfg

            Baggs has a link to a very personal account of this tragedy on his tweet to Jeff Passante to the right of this column.

      • Bapah
        • Matthew

          Yikes. Thanks…

    • just peachy.

      Some of us get away with reckless stupid decisions, especially when fueled by emotion, some of us aren’t so lucky.

      I’m surprised some of the things I did in my early 20s didn’t end up worse than they could have. :-/

  • Matthew

    Fantastic and moving post, Greek. Thank you

  • Michael Scott

    Doesn’t sound good
    ““Yo, please be careful bro,’ Bernal told Rivero, 25. ‘ Try to keep him close to shore.'”

    • Bapah

      Irony. That’s what killed them.

  • just peachy.

    Nicely written. Was trying not to get teary-eyed on public transit while reading it.

  • Michael Scott
  • Scout Finch Baseball

    I know I’ve linked this track before, but it’s always appropriate on this spinning rock we call home…

    (can’t go wrong with DG accompanying SW)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUYrRmzpQck

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      They won’t be if people get their automation wish.

      Do androids dream of electric sheep?

      • Do umpires dream of electric balls and strikes calls?

  • Michael Scott

    Yesterday the guys spent quiet time with their friends as the final push begins tonight.

    http://photos.orlandoweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Golden-Pelicans-3.jpg

    • HaakAway

      Who do you want in the line-up more in the “Final Six to Stay Alive”?
      I think the Core Seven get their chance to gel with KT and Gillaspie covering until Nunez is healed up.
      Tchoo sez… ?

  • Did anyone get any intel on who is pitching tonight for the Giants? I get contradictory info between Moore and Cueto.

    • Keep’n It Real

      ESPN’s “schedule” says Matt Moore. SFGiants.com says Moore too.

    • HaakAway

      FYI: I am scheduling Cueto for Saturday vs. LA … then an extra day of rest to start the series against the Cubs the next Friday.
      You are welcome.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      and RHP German Marquez for the Rox. “Low-mid 90’s sink, more lows than mids…”

      Span
      Belt
      Posey
      Pence
      Pagan
      Panik
      Crawford
      Gillaspie? (Nunez out?)
      Moore

      • HaakAway

        Live or Die with the CoreSevenMyGuys™ … So it is written; so shall it be.

  • The Oracle

    As it starts to come out that the Jose Fernandez situation was what I thought it was, it is another reminder of how great athletic ability affects and obscures perception. If you read a story about how a drunk driver killed himself and two other people, I doubt your first thought would be how sad it was for the driver. While Googling, I read a headline that said “Jose Fernandez changed lives and will never be forgotten.” He sure did. Forever.

    • Matthew

      Look, it was expected someone messed up. We knew all along. It doesn’t mean that people can’t mourn the loss of a beloved young man.

      I just wish I wasn’t seeing a bit of a condescending “told you so” glee in this….am I wrong?

      • The Oracle

        Glee? No. I told you so? A bit. At the time, the response, including yours, was kind of a “how dare you say that.” Fantasy is often more enjoyable than reality. “Messed up?” I’d say that’s a pretty mild term for an intentional act that caused the death of others. Really think about it. If one of your family members was killed by a drunk driver, would you mourn the loss of the driver and think of him first as a “beloved young man?” Would think of him of having just “messed up?”

        • Matthew

          Again, since you are the one that has lectured us about not jumping to defiant conclusions too early in all of the police shootings, I say you need to do that now.

          It’s a baseball blog, and we are reacting to the baseball star we know. You aren’t wrong to point to his potential culpability. I still, and will always, find your speedy posts trying to “correct” how we feel as inappropriate.

          You are free to feel how you wish. I’m not telling you how to feel. I am telling you it isn’t your job to try to tell us how we should.

          • vixenflem

            Badabing

          • The Oracle

            You have it backwards. What I said that day was how I felt. You and others were the ones telling me I shouldn’t express that feeling. You say you are “reacting to the baseball star we know.” You don’t know him.

          • Matthew

            Seriously?

            You don’t know Bochy but you seem to have that figured out. We don’t know the Giants players, but we think we know what they think of the skipper…

            If you don’t see the hypocrisy and irony of your conclusion jump today, i got nuthin’

        • earlytimes

          Intentional act? You think he planned or deliberately set out to kill himself and his friends by driving into a jetty at full speed?

          • The Oracle

            The act of taking the wheel after drinking is intentional.

          • earlytimes

            How about blurred thinking with unintentional consequences?

          • The Oracle

            You’re perfectly free to excuse it in that way.

    • Michael Scott

      I’m sure that everyone has read enough to see that some troubling reports of that night are beginning to emerge.It’s still way too early to get any conclusive answer about what happened

    • Peter Johnson

      You assume he was drunk, people do what he did all the time without being drunk, I have done that myself not on a boat , but on a motorcycle, after the Giants lost the NLCS to the Cards 1n 1987, I remember getting on my motorcycle and driving like a maniac to blow off some steam , and I did not have any alcohol in me .

      • The Oracle

        He was at a bar shortly before the crash. I also read that he was seen leaving with a bottle Tequila.

        • Peter Johnson

          …..

        • channelclemente

          A word of advice, wait for the tox screen on this one. In Miami, there is apparently some suggestion that he wasn’t at the wheel.

          • The Oracle

            It was his boat, his idea to take it out, and his friends weren’t experienced on the water.

          • channelclemente

            I gave up judging people beyond the facts I know. So should you, IMO. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt until they don’t.

          • Michael Scott

            One thing for sure and it will never change: Celebrity trumps all. (No pun intended)

          • channelclemente

            Yep.

  • Anti-Lasorda

    Prado just signed. No 3B upgrades available this off season.

    • Bapah

      5 Ws? Who, what, when, where, why?

      • Anti-Lasorda

        All-Star 3B Martin Prado, signed a 3 year, $40M dollar extension with the Miami Marlins today. Prado will be the new Latin Face of the franchise.
        Now the only available upgrade maybe Justin “Juice” Turner…..

        • The Oracle

          What’s wrong with Nunez?

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Career journeyman, low .OBP. Think Hackeen DFArias with better wheels and a little more pop. I think Nunez is fine as the primary 3B given an upgrade in the OF.

          • The Oracle

            I’m trying to remember the last time Arias hit 16 HRs or stole 40 bases.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            We didn’t play him enough ABs for him to ever do all that because he had a .293 career OBP. Nunez not that much better at .314.

          • channelclemente

            25-30 hits over a season, give or take.

          • Michael Scott

            No position player on the team brings more to the table than Nunez. He’s our best all around player.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            I like Nunez, but he needs more plate discipline.

        • Bapah

          TY

        • Keep’n It Real

          You and I are aligned on that “juice” piece.

          I’m surprised no writer has looked at his stats to notice the huge bump in power since he came to LA. Year #1 – 7 HRs (up 250% from previous year with 20 more games), Year #2 – 16 HRs (up 129% with 20 more games), and Year #3 – 27 HRs so far (up about 70% with 20 more games).

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            I believe the Moooooooooooooose spilt that joooooooooooooooose.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          You down on Nunez or something?

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Not terribly, but Nunez is more of a SuperUtility guy IMHO. He’s serviceable but has a low .OBP

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            I hear ya. too bad Long-o is not on the block. Or Noley.

        • Michael Scott

          “Latin Face of the franchise.”
          Who’s the white face of the franchise?

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            Christian Yelich?

          • RobDeer

            Barry Bonds?

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Who says you need one?

          • Michael Scott

            I guess that you missed what I was alluding to.Why not “Face of the franchise” ?

          • Matthew

            (Jeffrey Loria?)

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Wow – he’s no spring chick though – but there goes your versatile .300 hitter.

      Dream bigger, dream Gianter.

      • Matthew

        Nunez?

      • HaakAway

        Here you go “DreamGianter™” … that is worth keepoing around.

  • Bapah

    One thing that sticks in my mind is…
    How many guys that were asked to go out with Jose that night are kicking themselves?
    How many wish they’d have tried harder to talk him out of going?
    How many are sorry they didn’t step up and stop him, outright or wish they’d said something more?
    I think of the guilt that must permeate that team.

    • HaakAway

      Naturally so … and there is nothing a person can do about it; maybe try harder the next time.

      • Bapah

        A lot of guilt around that clubhouse, warranted or not.

    • Can you briefly educate me on the word “jetty”. Does the term mean different things to different bodies of water.? Are there some “jetty’s” where rocks are visible and others not so much? If so – do the tides control the visibility of the rocks?

      Thanks in advance.

      http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article104335386.html

      • Bapah

        As a sailor, my experience is that a jetty acts as a breakwater or shield to the entrance of a harbor or other shielded body of water. It’s used to break the current or surf to make entering a harbor a little easier. Saying that, I’ve come close to being beached on one or two in my life. Sometimes they’re used to prevent erosion of a beach or the like.

        Saying all that, generally they’re marked at their outmost by a marker of some sort. Around here, significant ones are lighted or marked in some other way.

        • standardstarboard

          Aha…you are an old salt…just like I thought. Any vessels you care to mention as being a favorite?

          • Bapah

            I like several. I’ve had several. Mostly sloops, one ketch, one yawl. I’d love for someone to give me a Beneteau 43, since you were asking

          • Bapah

            I’ve owned 2.5 Ericssons

          • standardstarboard

            Yeah, I`m a sloop guy myself. Sailed on a Contessa 43 in the Tasman Sea…wild ride. The Beneteau is a pretty boat…Personally, I would prefer a J40, or since I`m dreaming, a J65.

          • Bapah

            I don’t want to work too hard anymore. I’m done racing. I now like boats that sail themselves.

          • RobDeer

            I’d like a dog who can walk himself.

          • standardstarboard

            Yes, I get that

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            You are the Thor Heyerdahl of EB/GE/TWG…

          • standardstarboard

            I still you guys were trying to ditch me…changing sites and all.

        • Gracias Woodie

      • standardstarboard

        I`ll jump in. A jetty is typically man made, protecting a harbor, and is constructed of large rocks/cement blocks. The sight of a jetty is not affected by tide. The jetty is considerably higher than the water line and is easy to spot…in the daylight. It is a long spit of a constructed breakwater to protect harbors from ocean wave action.

        • Many thanks SSB

        • Bapah

          Remember, Red Right Returning.

        • Do you and Bapah “buy” the part about the blue inside lights being “on” and thus it may have made it more difficult to see outside the boat?

          • standardstarboard

            Lights on or off in the boat…it is very dark, even black. Inside lights certainly don`t help. Even with lights out, when on the ocean at night, it is hard to navigate when going slow, much less motoring at a good clip. You can`t see past the bow of the boat…unless you`re looking at buoy/marker lights.

  • Greek Giants Great Post reminds me that even though ML baseball has evolved with the magnificent skill set advances for today’s player – the actual game on the field and the integrity of the brotherhood among the men who play the game is still as solid as ever. My thoughts lead me to this story titled:

    Words vs Actions: The Firefighter and The Former Baseball Executive

    Firefighter Stephen Siller of the NYFD and Sweet Lou Johnson (now 84 years old)

    On Sept 11, 2001 Stephen Siller, who was assigned to Brooklyn’s Squad 1, had just finished his shift at the fire station, and was on his way to play golf with his brothers when he got word of the first plane hitting the Twin Towers over his scanner. Upon hearing the news, Stephen called his wife Sally and asked her to tell his brothers he would catch up with them later. He turned around, returning to Squad 1 to get his turnout gear. Stephen drove his personal truck to the entrance of the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel, but it had already been closed for security purposes. Determined to carry out his duty, even though his shift was completed, he strapped 60 lbs. of gear to his back, and raced on foot through the tunnel to the Twin Towers, where he gave up his life while saving others. Stephen had everything to live for; a great wife, five wonderful children, and devoted family and friends. Gratefully, his actions took precedence over his words.

    Lou Johnson, was a 1965 World Series hero for the Dodgers and he tried for 30 years to recover the championship ring he lost to drug dealers in 1971. Drug and alcohol abuse cost him everything from that magical season, including his uniform, glove and the bat he used to hit the winning home run in the deciding game. When then, Dodger president, Bob Graziano learned that Johnson’s World Series ring was about to be auctioned on the internet, he immediately wrote a check for $3,457 and bought the ring before any bids were posted. He did for Johnson what the former Dodger outfielder had been unable to do for himself.
    Johnson, 66 at the time, and who has been drug free for years and a Dodger community relations employee, wept when he was given back the World Championship ring. He said, “It felt like a piece of me had been reborn.”

    Bob Graziano and Stephen Siller demonstrated acts of kindness for someone who can’t do for themselves. Which reminds all of us to be self-less, not selfish.

    The word “love” is an action verb. Will it cost you something? Yes, indeed it will. It will cost you time and action. It may cost you money … or even your life.

    “Actions Prove Who Someone Is – Words Just Prove Who They Want To Be.”
    – Kevin Burrell –

    Chef Mike Scott’s Dad – Ray Scott on the call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT-grl56oGY

    Sweet Lou http://www.walteromalley.com/hist_mem_johnson.php

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/28595430//

    http://aisms.uscannenberg.org/blogs/ddurbin/2013/08/sweet-lou-johnson-comes-home

    Added attraction: More Ray Scott vis-a-vis Football
    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865617566/Miracle-Bowl-I-dont-know-how-you-could-top-this-one.html?pg=all

  • RobDeer

    I woke up in Tahoe Sunday morning after a late casino night and read thru blurry eyes the sports update on my phone that Fernandez had died. It took some serious squinting and rubbing of my eyes to read and digest that it was due to a late nite boating accident. My first thought was, what the hell are you doing out on a boat that late at nite? Nothing good can come from it. And then my inner voice said, Really? How many crazy/stupid/shortsighted/seems like a great idea at the time/alcohol fueled/drug addled/ stunts have you perpetrated over the years? And then I was just consumed with sadness for him and also with the knowledge of how lucky I am to have survived so many instances where things could have gone south. Very, very south. To pass judgement on the deceased is one of the very low, weak, and easy human reactions after deaths.

    • POTD

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      If St. Peter was human, he’d be weak sauce.

    • Peter Johnson

      My reaction is grief, but since it looks like he caused the death of the other two men, because he begged them to go out on the boat with him, I feel worse for his family and his 2 friends than I do for him .

    • Matthew

      Thanks, Rob…you captured your compassion and humanity in that post.

      • Peter Johnson

        Disagree, and then mentions ., I was Drunk, and Drugged out of my mind so many times, so since I did it too it is ok, no way, is it ok .

        • Matthew

          Feel how you wish. I’m sure you’re perfect

        • RobDeer

          Passing judgement on the living is totally acceptable. I’d expect nothing less from you.

          • Peter Johnson

            Good, like I posted earlier , I rode a Motorcycle like an idiot many times, and I am and Idiot, just a lucky Idiot that got away with it .

        • Matthew

          He didn’t say “since I did it, it’s OK” if that is your interpretation, the self title below goes further than you think

    • The Oracle

      Really? As long as someone dies, they’re absolved from responsibility for the damage they’ve done to others and it shouldn’t be mentioned?

      • Matthew

        Are you going to give it a rest on the scolding, or are you going to keep this up before the facts are all gathered? Are you saying Rob is wrong to feel as he does? What the hell, man.

        • The Oracle

          He can feel the way he does, but he wants to call those who don’t view it the way he does as “low” and “weak.” That’s where I disagree.

          • RobDeer

            I was describing the reaction, not the person. But I explained how I feel above, after your initial response.

      • RobDeer

        No, they can probably never be absolved. But who does the absolving? And who does the forgiving? Even the most heinous crimes can have extenuating facts surrounding them. Does it make what happened okay? Of course not. Does it help understand how it occurred? Sometimes. We all live in our own peculiar way and deal with what this life doles out differently. Some must judge and castigate. I find it hard to do so simply due to the fact I feel like a hypocrite. If you don’t, then kudos to a life well lived.

    • standardstarboard

      It seems a couple of folks miss your point. From my perspective, “There go I but for the grace of God” is how I interpret your missive. I, too, am grateful for not paying the ultimate price for my stupidity…many times over. I did not think you were passing judgement on anyone.

    • paul in p.v.

      Amen.

    • DrLefty

      What I told my kids when they were careening through teenager-hood: You’re going to make mistakes, but don’t make life-altering ones (pregnancy, jail, death, permanent injury). I’m sure we all have memories where we wonder how we made it through to adulthood. At 24, Fernandez was what sociologists are now calling an “adultescent”–officially an adult but developmentally not so much. It’s roughly defined as ages 18-25.

      • 610nm

        Good word. That stage is worsened by the twin factors of paying way too much money and giving far too much attention to young athletes. Some can handle it (Bumgarner, Posey, Panik) but it is a recipe for disaster.

    • goodsam73

      so many young men take these risks with their lives — our ERs are full of them in the hours after midnight

  • Scully’s best baseball moments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsg2Q9OA8DI

    • channelclemente

      Somehow, I just don’t feel the need to genuflect.

      • Scroll by Dear sir.
        When the list is someday formed, he’s on the top.

      • Bapah

        Huge cultural difference between SoCal and Tejas.

        • channelclemente

          Not really. I just don’t think Scully, beyond longevity and being a witness to history, offers all that much. Just a matter of taste. I sort of gravitate to Dizzy Dean/PeeWee Reese style, with a touch of Red Barber thrown in.

  • Keep’n It Real

    Henry Schulman ‏@hankschulman 4m4 minutes ago
    Hearing from league source the #sfgiants are very close to acquiring #braves infielder Gordon Beckham. If so, must be to replace Nuñez.

    • Matthew

      FootyDance!

    • Keep’n It Real

      Schulman says he believes this is a cash only deal.

      • Michael Scott

        One would hope.

    • Bapah

      What do we need a soccer player for? Oh wait…never mind.

      • RobDeer

        We could use some posh spice right about now.

        • just peachy.

          I’ll tell you what I want, what I really really want….

          • RobDeer

            Duh. Matt Duffy.

          • just peachy.

            Touché!

            Sigh.

          • RobDeer

            Now I have that song in my head. I’ll get you for this.

          • just peachy.

            Tonight is the night when two become one.

          • Michael Scott

            In essence , we got Nunez for Duffy. Matt’ is a nice player, but we made out

          • RobDeer

            I wasn’t belaboring it, Chef, but speaking to Peachy’s admitted crush on him.

          • Michael Scott

            I was just making a very minor comment

          • DrLefty

            Duffy’s career WAR is 6.2 in less than two full seasons. Nunez’s career WAR is 2.6, in a career that dates back to 2010. Then there’s the fact that Duffy’s 25 and under team control for four more years after this one, while Nunez is 29 and only controllable for one more season. Countering that is whether Duffy’s Achilles injury will be chronic or career-threatening.

            I like Nunez, more than I thought I would, but it’s not necessarily an even swap there.

          • Nunez is a placeholder till Arroyo arrives and our need for a good starting pitcher, affordable and under team control dictates this was a good trade. Plus, Nunez is a darn good player too. Now, defining what “great” is may be in the eye of the beholder with Moore since he has been so bloody inconsistent…

          • DrLefty

            Nunez has had an excellent year–40 SBs, 16 HRs. We’ll see if that’s a one-and-done for him. He’s been a part-time/bench type of guy before this season. 338 was his previous high in plate appearances, in 2011.

          • Michael Scott

            This year Eduardo’s WAR is 2.7.and he has more speed and power. In the field Matt would have a big edge as a 3rd baseman . This year it’s Nunez across the board.We’ll have to see how it goes in the future. Best case- everybody makes out

          • Michael Scott

            Your two front teeth?

          • just peachy.

            No it’s not Christmas time yet

    • standardstarboard

      Wasn`t he in the same draft class as Buster? And a can`t miss prospect? If I recall, he was taken before Buster…but I could be remembering a different draft class. If so, kind of shoots down the theory of Buster being an easy pick.

      • RobDeer

        Believe that was Tim Beckham selected by the Rays.

        • RobDeer

          But still reinforces your point.

    • Sam AKA Unknown

      So a thirty year old with one stolen base in the last three years, hitting .217 this year and .209 last year is better than Tomlinson? Better than Adrianza? What about Pena? His .300 did not count this year? Even Grant Green. Another mysterious move destined to fail by the Giants.

      • I just wrote pretty much the same thing above. Very big head-scratcher… Makes no sense unless it is for late defense…or a bat off the bench.

        • channelclemente

          His zip forecast says he’s projected as a .230ish hitter. Have you looked at the BA over the last month or so of Giants hitters. He’ll fit in perfectly.

      • DrLefty

        That’s a good point about Pena. I would rather have had him back. He was injured and in a walking boot the last few weeks of the AAA season, so maybe he wasn’t available.

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Giants to acquire Gordon Beckham. What?!?

    One of my offseason guys finally makes his way to SF. Drafted just after Buster Posey, and the two of them dooked it out for the DI HR title.

    He hasn’t hit much since his days at Georgia. And I guess this means Nunez’ hammy isn’t so good. Not playoff eligible.

    • winebaroness27

      oh oh…Nunez
      What is up with all these Hammy injuries?

      • paul in p.v.

        If you ran like Eduardo, your hammies would explode.

  • DrLefty

    Good grief. Beckham’s had a worse year than Conor Gillaspie–by a long shot. -1.0 WAR on BB Ref, most of that from bad defense, and an OPS+ of 76 for the year. So they clearly picked him up for these last few games because of Nunez’s injury, but I’m not sure they wouldn’t just be better off with some combo of Gillaspie/Adrianza/Tomlinson–since those are the guys they’d have to go with in the postseason if they get there.

    • That’s what I was thinking. Not sure why the Giants bothered with Beckham unless it was for a bat off the bench.

      • I long for Grant Green

        • Matthew

          Agreed…he’s been on a sofa for a few weeks, though, right?

        • Or Ramiro Pena! This is a strange move by the Giants..

          • channelclemente

            Why, because no one here anticipated it? LOL.

          • Because… see Lefty’s post above about his numbers…

          • channelclemente

            It’s a shallow pond, with only a few fish. Did anyone think an Arenado was tempted? You guys.

          • More like a dried up river bed with dead fish…

          • channelclemente

            And your point is, besides an interesting counter metaphor. He gives them a backup that they need if Nunez groin pull doesn’t improve. You guys.

          • The Oracle

            Why do they need him?

          • channelclemente

            Because he’s a little Dutch boy, and they’re leaking water at 3B without Nunez. He and Gillaspea are almost carbon copies.

          • The Oracle

            That’s not a point in his favor. In Tomlinson, they have someone that’s has performed well.

          • channelclemente

            I wouldn’t be surprised to see Tomlinson at 2B. Panik is barely hitting his weight.

          • The Oracle

            I’d much rather have Tomlinson and Panik in the lineup. Slump or no, Panik is a much better hitter than Beckham and his defense is solid,

          • channelclemente

            “Panik is a much better hitter than Beckham” sort of dodges the issue. Panik is hitting .217 over the last month and has been a sieve at 2B. Whether that’s injury, poor shifts, or bad luck, he’s not the guy defensively he has been in the past.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            He’s at home on his couch, I’m sure Jonah would have loved the call up

          • The Oracle

            It’s such a shallow pond that there was no reason to go fishing.

      • DrLefty

        They’re also going to have to clear a 40-man spot for 6 days.

      • The Oracle

        So Bochy put him right in the lineup and keep Tomlinson sitting close by.

    • paul in p.v.

      But isn’t he very good at soccer?

    • channelclemente

      Before you go throwing rocks at a .230 hitter, you should look at context. The last 30 days.

      https://i.imgur.com/SbZCEsa.png

    • totalfan62

      This feels like Bochy telling Evans “go get me another veteran IF. I’m not going with only AD and Tommy.” If so…ugh.

      • paul in p.v.

        This feels like a move for the future, based on some old ‘jones’ someone in the F.O. has carried for Bend-it.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      The perfect right handed compliment to Conor Gillaspie it seems.

      The SF faithful are going to love him…

      But ya never know, hangin out with Buster may rekindle his bat.

    • My God! How do White Sox fans put with Ken Harrelson every game?

      • channelclemente

        Laudanum I’ve heard.

        • hahahaha.. that and a few other mind-altering substances perhaps…

          • DrLefty

            I’m not ashamed to say that I needed some help to get through that debate last night.

          • channelclemente

            I don’t listen to them, and haven’t in years.

          • I think all sane, high school-educated people with self-respect did. No shame in admitting it Lefty.

          • paul in p.v.

            You have to use it judiciously. The Donald, he got thirsty.

          • RobDeer

            Finally saw “Hell or High Water” last night. Enjoyed it very much. Understated in all the right ways.

      • And yet OUR four get skewered at times

  • BALDHEADSLIKK

    Straw grasping at this point

  • BALDHEADSLIKK

    We probably would have been better off with David Beckham

    • I would have his wife hit cleanup

  • channelclemente
  • Keep’n It Real
    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Thank you for linking that Baggs interview. Easy to lose track of his work these days.

  • The Oracle

    The fact that they would even make this deal makes me even more concerned about what’s going to happen next year. Trading for Beckham exemplifies the negative side of how Bochy and Sabean go about things. Beckham is a veteran, so that must means he’s better, regardless of the numbers. For a team that needs to get younger in the outfield, it’s not a good sign. As usual, Brisbee said it well.

    http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2016/9/27/13079760/sf-giants-gordon-beckham-huh

    • Six Games to Go TO – IMO win four

      Tonight’s lineup and batting order won’t matter next year. Beckham won’t be on it.

      It is never the NAME on the back of the SF jersey that is important – it is WHAT the player wearing SF or Giants on the front of said Jersey – actually does during the game. In reality baseball players play against The Game, they don’t play against the opponent. Arnold Palmer told us that a golfer plays against the course.

      That was proven by 22 year old Manuel Margot the other night playing for the Padres. The fact that he was an AAAA player the day before had nothing to do with what he did DURING the game. The MLB stage was not too big for Margot.

      The other game the TWG bloggers got not only their wish as to WHO was starting – the batting order was much to their satisfaction.

      Result: Loss

      Furthermore I think all MLB teams should cancel batting practice save twice per week. Instead bring back PreGame “Outfield and Infield Practice”
      Bring back Skoal and Redman
      Let Bochy smoke a Marlboro or Cool – no filter while he gives signs
      Bring back a form of Morganna the Kissing Bandit
      Start every hitting count at 0-2
      Base on Balls are after three balls

      If the Nunez play behind home plate when Buster lost the ball hasn’t proved to the SF Staff that Nunez could be their CF next year then I don’t know what would. The only other player in MLB that comes to mind that makes that play is Nolan Arenado.

    • Michael Scott

      Actually, it was a nice gesture.They knew that the blogs needed whipping boy infield depth

  • A Donnybrook Last Night

    HP Umpire Todd Tichenor ejected Yankees Manager Joe Girardi for arguing warnings in the top of the 2nd, Yankees P Luis Severino and Bench Coach Rob Thomson for throwing at Blue Jays batter Justin Smoak, and Yankees Pitching Coach Larry Rothschild for arguing Severino’s ejection in the bottom of the 2nd inning of the Yankees-Blue Jays game. In the top of the 2nd, with none out and none on, Yankees batter Chase Headley took a 1-0 fastball from Blue Jays pitcher J.A. Happ for a hit-by-pitch, resulting in warnings and a bench clearing incident. Replays indicate the pitch was located 2.9 feet off the inner edge of home plate. In the bottom of the 2nd, with none out and none on, and warnings in effect, Blue Jays batter Justin Smoak took a 0-0 fastball two feet off the inner edge of home plate and a 1-0 fastball from Severino for a HBP, resulting in a bench clearing incident. The second pitch was located 2.9 feet off the inner edge of home plate.

    http://m.mlb.com/video/v1189210183

    http://m.mlb.com/video/v1189214283

    • standardstarboard

      I love the term, donnybrook. Reminds me of Saturday afternoons watching Chris Schenkel and Lindsay Nelson talking college football.

  • Michael Scott

    I might have missed it- do we know that he would be starting for Nunez or just bench depth? Not that he’s a good choice either way.

    • Robby Thompson’s cleats were too small so I think SF is playing with 8 guys on defense

    • The Oracle

      We don’t, but we’ve all been watching Bochy for years.

      • channelclemente

        Do what?

        • The Oracle

          Play vets, regardless of whether it was the best idea.

          • channelclemente

            Well that’s at least one man’s opinion. BTW, you’re a vet on several levels. What makes you valuable?

    • channelclemente

      We don’t even know if it’s a fact yet.

  • Skweezplay55

    So far, nothing authoritative on the rumored deal to acquire Beckham, right?

    • Needing to make a 40 man roster move is the hold up

      • Scout Finch Baseball

        wagers? guesses?

        • 22’sSweetSwing

          hopes, desires?

          • Scout Finch Baseball

            🙂

        • I will take Lena Horne in Hollywood Squares for the answer.

    • HaakAway

      Side note while we hope this nasty rumor goes away …

      You are going to have a hard time defending your MyGuy™ title. The early returns show Noce picked some solid guys… three of the top five hitters and four of the top six pitchers. 22sSweetSwing is still crunching but I spotted some early high marks for the expected guys: Coonrod, Beede, Bickford plus Law, Watson and Cyr.

  • Yankees and Toronto fiasco yesterday causes the Jays to lose Benoit to a calf injury suffered during the incident.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Wilson Ramos = torn ACL

      Steven Matz = stuff removed from elbow

      • I had another son – I would teach him to be ambidextrous

        • Anti-Lasorda

          At least now we know your last name is Venditte….

  • goodsam73

    very nice piece GG – thank you !

  • 22’sSweetSwing

    Are they going after Beckham because of Nunez?

  • Keep’n It Real

    latest

    Henry Schulman ‏@hankschulman 8m8 minutes ago
    Henry Schulman Retweeted Patrick Karraker
    Hearing it (40 man) would not be of jaw-dropping significance. But I should point out there is no trade yet, as far as I know. #SFGiants

    • Keep’n It Real

      Henry Schulman ‏@hankschulman 3m3 minutes ago
      Heard #sfgiants might be bringing up a third catcher, too.

  • goodsam73

    they have no other 3B on the 40 man to bring up if Nunez is done ?

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Grant Green

  • Anti-Lasorda

    Hey Larry, I just got someone to trade me Beckham for $100K. Can you believe it?!?!!??! I mean I could sell at least that much in just promotional posters of him shirtless. And especially in SF, I mean this guy posed for OUT magazine being straight. I cannot believe what a steal this is…….

    Hunh, What?!?!!? Whaddya mean, yeah, oh Gordon Beckham? I thought he said Gordon & Beckham. Yes, I thought I was getting Alan Gordon and David Beckham. Yes, Larry I’m sorry… You’re right.

    *click*

  • When asked about his HR or Justin Bour’s first professional triple…Dee Gordon’s post game interview among things he said:
    “…Man I told the boys, if ya’ll don’t believe in God ya’ll might as well start” – ….”I cannot and have not ever hit a ball that far…”

    http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article104393531.html

  • Kramerica

    Has there been an official update from Nunez’s MRI results? I assume if they are seeking to acquire Beckham, whether they *actually* acquire him or not, his injury is more serious than they hoped.

    • Peter Johnson

      Grade 1 Strain From Bobby Evans on the radio .

      • Kramerica

        Thanks. So it’s “day to day” but for a guy whose game is entirely built on speed sounds like the more realistic hope is he’s back for the WC game…if they get there.

        • see way above

          • Kramerica

            I actually did, thanks for posting that btw, could always use some medical terminology guidance. While it’s the “best” possible result his hammy could also be vulnerable like Pence’s where it blows at any moment without proper rest. A hobbled Nunez means he’s probably not even worth playing. I would play KT at third and hope Nunez is a swift healer. But if Bochy is going to turn to Conor or Beckham…then go ahead and risk blowing out the hammy because in that case the risk is worth it.

  • 22’sSweetSwing

    If Beckham is inserted at 3B I’m not sure there is a bigger way to kick Tomlinson in the nuts.

    • THE pain that the Vajazzle crowd – will never quite grasp (kidding, no cards and letters)

    • HaakAway

      It proves TheBapahPrinciple: “Bochy Hates KT”

    • Kramerica

      The sad part is you are 100% correct. If I’m KT and they acquire a guy with Beckham’s awful credentials to play over me what must the organization think of me? It’s a clear signal that they don’t think he can play third and this would come after burying him in the minors for the majority of the year. If they had better alternative options than Conor or Beckham I don’t mind KT sitting. But given the options KT should be the 3B until Nunez gets back. Period.

    • The Oracle

      Tomlinson shouldn’t take it personally. It’s just what Bochy/Sabean do. One more dumb move in a season full of them.

    • Anti-Lasorda

      How about starting Gillespie ahead of him?

      • 22’sSweetSwing

        at least CG has a positive WAR this season

        • Anti-Lasorda

          And in the second half?

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            What? doesn’t your eye test tell you what you want to know? I was just acting as the Giants PR machine.

  • Tonight’s Rockies Pre-Game War and Peace Notes

    http://mlb.mlb.com/documents/6/0/8/203680608/9.27.16_at_SF_tw8i5ihi.pdf

  • Per Peter Johnson below

    Grade 1 Hamstring Strain (Nunez)
    With a grade 1 hamstring strain you may have tightness in back of the thigh but will be able to walk normally. You will be aware of some hamstring discomfort and unable to run at full speed. There will be mild swelling and spasm. Bend your knee against resistance is unlikely to reproduce much pain.

    Grade 2 Hamstring Strain
    With a grade 2 hamstring strain your walking pattern will be affected and you will most likely be limping. Sudden twinges of hamstring pain during activity will be present. You may notice some hamstring muscle swelling and your hamstring will be tender to palpate. It will also be painful for you to bend your knee against resistance.

    Grade 3 Hamstring Strain
    A grade 3 hamstring strain is a severe injury involving a tear to half or all of the hamstring muscle. You may need crutches to walk and will feel severe pain and weakness in the muscle. Swelling will be noticeable immediately and bruising will usually appear within 24 hours.

    Diagnostic MRI may also be used to specifically identify the grade of hamstring tear and its exact location.

    http://physioworks.com.au/treatments-1/avoid-the-harm-factors

  • Dodger Pitching for the weekend has been tweaked
    Hill – Kershaw – Maeda

    @hankschulman

  • 2016 SF Giants

    Exhilaration – Despair – Joy – Agony – Rage – Acceptance. Anger, anticipation, disgust, fear, sadness, surprise, aversion, courage, dejection, desire, fear, hate, hope, love, sadness, wonder, sorrow, terror, anxiety, distress, contempt, guilt, shame, elation, glee, subjection, wonder, pain-pleasure, expectancy,

    “Only in the agony of parting do we look into the depths of love.” ― George Eliot

    “It’s better to be ignorant and live in bliss than know the truth and live in agony.”
    ― Bangambiki Habyarimana, Pearls Of Eternity

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UUWkr4FUlo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MqzWbAs93Q

    Remember when you first found love how you felt so good
    Kind that last forever more so you thought it would
    Suddenly the things you see got you hurt so bad
    How come the things that make us happy make us sad
    Well it seems to me that
    Joy and pain are like sunshine and rain
    Joy and pain are like sunshine and rain
    Love can be bitter love can be sweet
    Sometimes devotion and sometimes deceit
    The ones that you care for give you so much pain
    Oh but it’s alright they’re both one in the same
    Don’t it seem we go through life going up and down
    Seems the things that turn you on turn you around
    Always hurting each other if it ain’t one thing its another
    But when the world is down on you love’s somewhere around
    Well it seems to me that…..

    • Matthew

      What cost the Giants more?

      Gordon Beckham

      Gordon Biersch

      • I actually had Dan Gordon son on my team. Had a great first name though: Ollie
        Could not play and when I took him out he cried “My grandparents are coming to the game”

      • Anti-Lasorda

        At AT&T, Gordon Biersch for sure.

  • channelclemente

    Levon Helm, ex of The Band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYqc052xv9g

    • paul in p.v.

      Levon had White Soul.

  • MidwestGiantsFan

    Span
    Belt
    Posey
    Pence
    Crawford
    Pagan
    Panik
    Gillaspie
    Moore

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      AYFKM? They go with the guy who has worse defense, base path speed and OBP by .09 against RHP? I hope they get lucky tonight and Mr. Smiley drives one when it counts.

    • Kramerica

      I hope nobody hits a ball to 3B or LF.

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      Dang, I almost got it right this A.M.

  • Matthew

    This NL post season seems to be getting shaken up….

    How will the Nats pitchers react to the loss of Wilson Ramos? That after probably losing Strasburg, and hoping Murphy and Harper are healthy enough…

    Will the Mets make it? If they do, who pitches the big games?

    Seems like LA and Chicago goes in healthiest…but we have all seen the absolute unpredictability….

    • Anti-Lasorda

      I’ll repeat what I said earlier, If they can get in by the grace of God, No one wants to face the Giants rotation….

    • paul in p.v.

      I hope Murphy passes LeM (Rox) for the BA crown. Just because.

      • Eric Ritz

        Because DJ has accrued an insane amount of his production in that video game clown park. Last I checked a week or so ago, his OPS away from Colorado was .700, compared to 1.050 at home. Ridiculous.

  • Michael Scott

    What’s up with this? RedSox might activate Pablo . They need him to balance the load on the team plane.

  • Appalled7

    Gordon Beckham? Really? Ok, then.

  • Cueball

    Now Mac is down?!? Did the service warranties on the players run out recently?

    • Anti-Lasorda

      At least its not concussions this year…. I mean excluding Panik of course.

    • The Oracle

      Is it a bed sore?

      • Anti-Lasorda

        Splinter in his bum….

        • Matthew

          That’s on Bochy, no doubt!

          • Anti-Lasorda

            Isn’t it all?

          • Matthew

            Well…obviously! It’s on here. Makes it so!

      • #FireBochy – at least Boch should have provided water beds

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      I don’t buy it, this is just the org bending over an inexperienced player(who they kept from getting experience). All so they don’t have to expose a 1st round pick to to the wolves (who wouldn’t touch him with a 10ft pole).

      • DrLefty

        Crick, you mean?

        • 22’sSweetSwing

          yep

    • Kramerica

      A “leg” injury? They are going to potentially DL Mac and keep him out of the postseason for a mysterious “leg” injury? This is the first I assume anyone has heard of this. When would it have happened, walking his dog on the off day? I really, really, really hope they are not doing this (if they DL him) just to make room for Beckham. That would be a new low. Acquiring Beckham is stupid, but no big deal. But burying KT and banishing Mac to the DL (making him ineligible for the postseason) as a result of getting him makes the move asinine.

      • DrLefty

        I’m guessing that IF there is a postseason roster to worry about, Gorkys Hernandez and maybe Blanco will get those OF spots. That’s a righty and a lefty and good defense in any outfield position. On the one hand, it sucks to deny Mac an opportunity, especially if it’s to put Blanco in after the year he’s had. On the other…Blanco’s been a good Giant and he’s done well in the postseason for them before.

        • Kramerica

          I’m fine with that IF Blanco is healthy. But my understanding, and please correct me if I’m wrong, is he’s not healthy enough to hit.

        • standardstarboard

          I can see the rationale behind the move, but it still rankles me that the rooks don`t get much of a leash. Mac needs to start in left next year, if for no other reason than to see what he can do playing regularly.

          • Surf Maui

            We’be seen what he can do– barely hit .200 with a million strikeouts since July

          • standardstarboard

            Yeah, playing every third game. Plate appearance here, and there. Duvall didn`t look so hot either until he played regularly.

          • DrLefty

            Wrong. He’s had 14 ABs since July. That shows you exactly nothing. You really hate him, don’t you? Everytime someone mentions his name, you spout this nonsense based on a minuscule sample size. What’s your deal?

          • channelclemente

            Setting aside sample size, I just compared his last 30 days to Cuetos. Don’t be so sensitive. I choose to believe he’s still struggling with that injury.

          • DrLefty

            I like Mac. I know he’s been injured and rusty, so I’m not worried about him. But when someone writes him off based on 14 ABs in two months, well, that’s just silly.

          • Kramerica

            And Blanco’s *not* still hurt? The great irony is Mac still has a higher OPS+ than Conor Blanco and Adrianza. Despite Mac’s cratering due to injury issues/lack of playing time his numbers are still better than other bench guys. I’m not saying he’s the savior, and his ABs have looked poor lately, but don’t DL him and disqualify him from the postseason to make room for Gordon freakin Beckham.

          • Michael Scott

            Gregor was having a nice year before he was hurt. If he can hit now, he’s a good bet to be on the postseason roster, IMO.

          • totalfan62

            Play nice, y’all. Mac is a good young player who could/should be our starting LF next year. Maybe even RF with Pence in LF. I agree with CC: I don’t think he’s fully recovered from the shoulder injury. I also think the Giants have retarded his progress with the way they used him this year.

          • Surf Maui

            I dont hate him but I dont understand what makes anyone think that he is an answer to our outfield woes.

            The facts are in his last 7 games Williamson is 1-9 (with an infield single) and 7 strikeouts In his last 15 games he is 1-18 with the same infield single and 9 strikeouts. Over his last 30 games ( which takes him back to July) he is 13 for 57– a cool .228– with 20 strikeouts.

            I’d say my facts are pretty accurate. I hope that he is the next Babe Ruth, but so far there is absolutely no reason to be playing him with a chance for post season still in play.

          • 2holehitting

            Almost Beltish for streakiness, only Belt would have had 12 Ks in the 18 AB’s

          • DrLefty

            There’s no “streak,” good or bad, when you have 14 ABs since July 31! It’s just ridiculous!

          • DrLefty

            You are cherry-picking and willfully ignoring that those ABs/games have come sporadically and after being out with an injury. You clearly have an ax to grind.

            Denard Span is hitting .159 in September in a LOT bigger sample size. Why is HE playing with the postseason on the line?

          • paul in p.v.

            AL’s been trashing him regular-like. Irrational. Surf too.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            IMHO he was just starting to find himself before the shoulder. Then banished ne’er to return.

        • Michael Scott

          Mac was probably not going to be on the postseason roster anyway.But for Beckham?
          In my best Redd Fox accent “I’m coming Elizabeth!”

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stdi-1tIUhM

      • channelclemente

        He isn’t out of post season necessarily.

        • Kramerica

          According to Schulman, DL stints are 60-days now. And if the Giants DL Mac to make room on the 40 man for Beckham wouldn’t that mean Mac is guaranteed to be out of the postseason? Sure, if they don’t DL him he’s still eligible. But Schulman is saying one possibility to free up a 40 man for Beckham is to DL Mac…

          • channelclemente

            I’m no rules expert, but there are special provisions as I understand it for transitions to and from the active roster during the playoffs. Someone here can explore/knows the details.

          • DrLefty

            They set the roster for every round and can change it between rounds. If someone is injured during a round, they can replace him, but the injured guy then can’t play in the next round (so there’s a disincentive to play games with the system).

      • channelclemente

        In any case Cueto is out hitting Williamson over the last 30 days.

      • SurfCity

        Beckham is ineliegible for the post season according to an article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

        • channelclemente

          So he’s a back for Nunez/Gillaspea if needed.

          • SurfCity

            Yeah he and the 3rd string catcher guy here to back up the remaining 6 games if needed.

          • channelclemente

            So it seems. I think the natives here are just in a hanging mood.

          • SurfCity

            Yeah. They’re just making plans D, C, F, etc which they may never have to use.

        • Kramerica

          I know Beckham will be ineligible (fortunately) but putting Mac on the DL to make room for Beckham will also make Mac ineligible.

          • SurfCity

            Really? How did Morse come back from the DL in the playoffs?

  • As Klay is interviewed by Pedro the Gomez – his dog Rocco finds a way to remain a true Giant as Rocco drops a “Two Bagger” on the field.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f673e167402faebc7cfbd587ee594ee9b078650ede039d93c8f7197bfe931c9b.jpg

    https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/779470517849903104

    • Anti-Lasorda

      Send Rocco’s double up to Charley Steiner….

      Just so he can truly know what its like to replace Vinny…

    • totalfan62

      Every time I see this it makes laugh. Just thinking about it makes me laugh.

      Don’t know what that says about me, but it’s true.

      • It is almost as if Mike Murphy got a hold of Rocco and trained him the right way

  • Bapah

    See? I knew Bochy hated KT.

    Mr. Happy Stonehands starts at 3rd.

    • Where ya been. Kelby’s getting the double switch pinch hit single in the 7th and then turns the inning ending DP in the top of the ninth inning. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e630dab0795363371d25f1be890fb97669f1e711ac1a597b7b58651352e86211.jpg

      • totalfan62

        AD or Kelby should be starting. Conor should be #1 lefty PH. We’ll get better defense and speed from the younger players.

    • DrLefty

      The beat writers are reporting that Tony Sanchez (the catcher from AAA) has a locker in the clubhouse. So NOW they’re bringing up a third catcher?

      This team is weird.

      • SurfCity

        If he’s not on the 40-man roster then maybe they’re just keeping him around as injury insurance.

        I don’t know how this works but is it past time for players to be made eligible for the post season? Would there be an exception if a catcher was injured?

        • DrLefty

          Anyone who was in the organization on Aug. 31 can be added to the 40-man roster and made eligible for the postseason. So Tony Sanchez could but Gordon Beckham couldn’t be on a postseason roster.

          Usually teams don’t carry three catchers in the postseason. The Giants never have. They had Whiteside, Sanchez, and Susac in their respective championship runs. So if they activate Tony, it will likely just be for this week.

          • Anti-Lasorda

            But keeping him ready or getting him ready if something happens to one of the other two makes sense.

          • SurfCity

            Yes.

          • SurfCity

            Thanks.

      • Anti-Lasorda

        It could just to catch bullpens. Lots of arms to keep fresh down there and Charlie, Deck, and Boch don’t have the knees anymore

        • channelclemente

          Interesting thought.

  • Anti-Lasorda

    What did poor Grant Green do wrong?

  • SurfCity

    Hi all. There’s a hellacious fire burning in the Santa Cruz mountains in the Loma Prieta area. I see lots of smoke in the air when I go outside. There’s no marine layer and it’s unusually hot here.

    • channelclemente

      One more day before the weather is supposed to shift.

      • goodsam73

        already shifting out in the SF avenues — cool breezies slowly wafting in thank heavens – it was 88 degrees yesterday afternoon in my west facing 2nd floor flat — aaaahhhhhh i’m melting !!!!

        • channelclemente

          LOL. Sleeping on the roof has become a retreat opportunity.

        • SurfCity

          That’s good news. We do have micro climes down here similar to some of the spots out your way in the “fogset”

          • goodsam73

            it IS the fogset : ) I have no business whinning because we had a really foggy july + aug in the aves but it was SO dang hot the past 3 days….would love for some nice indian summer weather now

          • SurfCity

            I know, I used to live there. But I actually lived in the Inner Sunset (Fogset) up on a hill (the next hill west of Mt Sutro), not far from the the Forest Hill neighborhood.

          • goodsam73

            gotcha – i’m out in the far aves a couple blocks south of GGP

          • SurfCity

            Oh, you’re by the windmills!

            I used to bicycle in Golden Gate Park and skate at “Skatin’ Place” (6th x MLK) on Sundays when they closed the road to traffic. I tried skating a few times on that sidewalk that runs along Ocean Beach but it’s just too sandy and messes with the wheels and the bearings on the roller-blades.

          • goodsam73

            not too far – I loved watching those folks with all those fancy skating maneuvers and pairs dancing on skates – some guy would bring a boom box and play 40s hits…SO san francisco : )

    • DrLefty

      I think our Captain Brewster is working that fire.

      • SurfCity

        There’s also the Sobranes Fire down i Big Sur

      • SurfCity

        Thanks Lefty. I think he might have been actually working the Soberanes fire, which has been an ongoing fire that started in Big Sur. The fire I’m talking about started on Monday on the summit of the Santa Cruz Mountains between Morgan Hill and Santa Cruz. Both fires are east of Monterey Bay region.

        Cheers!

    • Prayers for those affected….

      PS: Had a chat awhile back with PN Junior https://www.facebook.com/peter.newell.184

  • GSDUbs

    Pretty crazy stuff…out of the country the month of September and only to return last night to play some Giants’ catch up only to find everybody’s gone from GE. First thought: they purged everybody. Someone did something that gave the Merc cause to take away everybody’s right to participate and start over with a new cast. Or, a mass protest over who knows what. It was like everyone left town, turned the lights off and then I woke up alone. As I havent been in GE much this season, I didnt take it personally. So I go back to earlier GE posts to a few weeks back and find the dialogue regarding what happened and where everyone went. Anyway, leave the country for a month and that’s what can happen I guess. It was actually kind of eerie.

    • goodsam73

      glad you found us ! must have been like being in a twiiight zone episode : )

      • GSDUbs

        Exactly…

    • DrLefty

      I’m glad you found us. For the first few days we were leaving the trail of breadcrumbs (the link) on Baggarly’s stories, but maybe we should still do so every few days for awhile.

      • HaakAway

        It is like the Matrix … we have to leave one of us behind to see if any willing souls reappear like good ol’ GSDUbs.

      • paul in p.v.

        Good idea. Beggs could use a post or two.

    • SurfCity

      We were all protesting your absence! 🙂

      • GSDUbs

        I knew it!

        • SurfCity

          Yeah there was a big parade even.

          • GSDUbs

            Speeches and everything?

          • SurfCity

            There was even a key to the city, but Matthew accepted it on your behalf and said he delivered it to you.

    • channelclemente

      It seems Mr. Baggarly is majordomo of an echo chamber now, but he/SJMN shut down GE, not us.

    • HaakAway

      Welcome back.
      I am up in the smoke just south of you these days.

      On the Off-Day Monday I found a nugget for you: early returns in MyGuy™ hitters shows are one of the leaders becasue you picked two of the top five: Austin Slater and Jalen Miller.

      • GSDUbs

        Thanks…heard about the fire about 30 mins ago…I, too, am in a fire zone but apparently safe closer to downtown. Hang in there…be safe!

    • channelclemente

      We sent out a search party, but they got distracted.

      http://www.johnlund.com/Images/Waterskiing-Funny-Bloodhound.jpg

  • Wally Pipp

    HaakAway’s telegram reached up here….but, it as you can imagine, it has been chaotic.

    Umpire Rob Drakes wife died http://tinyurl.com/jm2de23 and then Yangervis Solarte’s wife died – and now the aforementioned Jose Fernandez.

    I see the early posts on this TWG was mostly about placing blame before even the physical services take place. We Up Here are just hoping that Mr. “He who Is Without” has all his ducks in a row – whenever it becomes his time to chat up St Peter and Paul.

    • SurfCity

      Any signs of Arnold Palmer. Although I heard he was rather devilish so …

      • Wally Pipp

        The only thing holding up Arnie’s presence was he won’t turn over the Carson show tape when Johnny made his wife furious.

        • HaakAway

          “Forgiveness is a lot easier than bitterness. You only have to forgive once; bitterness you have to do everyday.”

          • Wally Pipp

            We have that saying printed and attached to our front gate…

        • SurfCity

          I’ll have to google that one.

          • Wally Pipp

            Ted Williams tells it this way:

            Jay Leno: … apparently Johnny Carson said, “Is there anything your wife does to bring you good luck?”
            Palmer: No, Johnny said, “Does your wife kiss your balls before you go to play?” and I said, “I don’t even go to bed without pajamas.”
            Leno: I thought that was a tactful way … but thanks for getting right to the point. So we cleared that up. That’s like a famous one, like Jack Benny’s, “Your money or your life … I’m thinking it over.” I wanted to find out … so it is true?
            Palmer: There you’ve got it. And I don’t want to hear about it any more.

            http://www.sporttaco.com/rec.sport.golf/My_favorite_Johnny_Carson_moment_its_about_golf_4585.html

    • Scout Finch Baseball

      did you get word on Bob Fitzgerald’s wife? Sad indeed.

      • Wally Pipp

        Yes Mr. Fitz’s wife was a stunning blow to all.

        • Scout Finch Baseball

          Life’s rough. Let’s play some baseball.

  • livfreerdi

    You have to laugh at the Beckham embarrassment. The only thing more tragically funny than the Giants not having anyone in the system who could put up pathetic numbers and stand near third is seeing how often Beckham has been a DH. By all means protect THAT silly rule as essential to fan interest.

    • SurfCity

      I think it’s pretty cool that they signed David Beckham since there’s never been a Giant married to a Spice Girl

      • DrLefty

        Angel Pagan’s wife is a former Miss Puerto Rico!

        • Anti-Lasorda

          But what does she want, she really really want?

        • SurfCity

          Well the accent’s a little different buy maybe if I squint she’ll look like a Spice Girl

        • Sgbssfg

          So is the ex wives of one of J Lo’s ex husbands.

  • DrLefty

    OK, so here’s the scoop. Mac to the 60-day DL with a quad strain, reportedly sustained on that infield single in San Diego. Matt Reynolds DFA’d. Tony Sanchez added to roster, the other spot is for Beckham.

    Cueto is good to start on Thursday, Nunez out 2-3 days.

    • Cueball

      And Bochy hanging out in the clubhouse with a metal rod, giving the younger players the evil stink eye, while the Nancy Kerrigan / Tonya Harding documentary is playing in the background.

      • DrLefty

        These moves are just bizarre. If Mac’s injured, well then I guess he is. And they won’t miss Reynolds with all the lefty relievers they have. But adding Beckham is weird and finally a third catcher when they should have had one since Sept. 1?

        There’s just a lot of flailing around on this team this season. Beckham feels like Uggla 2.0 to me, and I’m guessing it’ll go about that well.

        • Cueball

          It’s like Bochy is going through his box of baseball cards and randomly picking players with cool names to add to the roster. “That Beckham sounds like a superstar.”

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            It is worse than that, it is like the front office knows how many at-bats a guy has to have to get playing time for Bochy (no matter how productive they might have been).

        • HaakAway

          I thought we agreed to be an “UgglaFreeZone”? Oh yeah, that was just me.
          Somethings can only be forgotten, not understood.

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            I can’t bring myself to type that name, that decision still makes me embarrassed and enraged.

          • Michael Scott

            Come on. He was here FOUR days.

          • 22’sSweetSwing

            Must…resist…urge….to…discuss

        • Agreed and agreed. These roster moves and the Beckham addition are all head scratchers. No real rational explanation…

        • channelclemente

          Do I hear a tome to Evans in preparation?

        • paul in p.v.

          The 3rd C (FINALLY!) makes one wonder about the F.O. process.

  • Adam Rosales on paper is 33 years old but against the Giants he plays like Scott and Jerry Hairston played every single time out against “us”. Same with Mark (now retired) Ellis. Ellis, Scott and Jerry could pick up a bat right now off their couch and single home a winning run. Somewhat new to this phenomenon is Alexi Amarista and Yangervis Solarte. Evans needs to acquire them so as to no longer torment the Giants. They tried that once with Mark Portugal (94-95) but there was zero Magic Wandoo.

    This tape will self destruct in Five Seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQV0hbK6P6c

  • Scout Finch Baseball

    Wow. 20 HRs in 211 PAs for Gary Sanchez.

    Mets up 4-1 on the likely emotionally spent Marlins. Bruce & Cespedes each with their 31st yak. Syndergaard is on the hill in that one.

    • 22’sSweetSwing

      He is 23 and people had the temerity to say he didn’t get there soon enough. What a bunch of schmucks.

  • Good Night Allen. Keep looking out for your Boys Allen. SIX more games.
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  • DrLefty

    So on Friday night in San Diego Reynolds was allowed to melt down in the fifth inning and blow a one-run game open, despite a 15-man bullpen and a 20-man pitching staff. Four days later, he’s DFA’d.

    Just another chapter in the 2016 Book of Bochy.

    • The Oracle

      Bochy is like an old man that can’t drive safely anymore but doesn’t let that stop him. The Giants need to take the keys away from him, or he’s going to end up crashing the team through the front doors of a 7-11.

      • paul in p.v.

        That is a good metaphor.

      • channelclemente

        lol.

    • paul in p.v.

      Just had to get him going, Lefty.

      To El Paso.

  • channelclemente
    • The Oracle

      Adding a bad baseball player doesn’t accomplish anything.

      • channelclemente

        Having no backup is silly. I’m not a Beckham fan, sometimes poor options are the best option.

        • The Oracle

          Prior to Beckham, they had two backup infielders.

          • channelclemente

            Then a good move I’d say.

  • Sgbssfg

    Heard about the Beckham, not David, acquisition. Glad you guys don’t get it either. Let Kelby play!