Happy Bumgarner Day

By

Dr Lefty

Tonight’s Game:  Giants (35-56) at Padres (38-51), 5:40 pm at Petco Park

MADISON BUMGARNER (0-3, 3.00 ERA) vs Jhoulys Chacin (8-7, 4.32 ERA)

Yeah, this year sucks. And yeah, I’m still mad at him. But none of it matters today. I can’t wait to see the big guy back on the mound and swinging a bat.

It’s been so weird without him. He’d never been on the DL in his career, and I don’t even remember him missing a start, except maybe in spring training. Remember last Opening Day when he was miserably ill with flu?  He still took the ball, gutted out five innings, and was the winning pitcher.

It reminds me of when Cain first went on the DL after so many years of being an iron man. It just wasn’t the same without seeing that guy on the mound every five days.

Welcome back, Bum.

Take a Wrecking Ball to the Giants?

Many of us this morning were discussing the ESPN Sweet Spot blog, which argued that the Giants, even if everyone were healthy and having a great year, are operating on an obsolete business model of pitching, defense, and contact hitting, so they need to tear down the whole enterprise and rebuild from the ground up. Heres’ the link if you haven’t seen the article: http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/81268/giants-must-take-wrecking-ball-to-lineup-at-trade-deadline

I think he raised some good points. The Giants need to do more than just hope things magically improve next season. But a “wrecking ball”?

A Panda Reunion?

Nope. Don’t see it. Baggarly pretty much nailed it in this piece, and the other beat writers more or less echoed his thoughts.  https://twitter.com/extrabaggs/status/886330646838235136

Might the Astros Make an Offer for the Shark?

They might, and the Giants should listen. I like Shark. He eats innings, he’s a competitor, and he has value to the Giants, now and later. But he also has an ERA over 4.5 and gives up too many HRs. If trading him meant freeing up $18 mil per year for the next three years and the Giants got a nice package of prospects…they should listen.

Tonight’s Game

The lineups are below. Let’s see if Gorkys can keep terrorizing the Padres. Would sure like to see Belt or Crawford, or even Span or Panik, yank one down the RF line to that little jury box section.  We’ll be in Section 208, and I’ll be back later tonight or first thing tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

  • Surf Maui

    Breckeroni says Cueto’s blisters and opt out make him untradeable.

    • The Oracle

      Goodbye Samardzija…for the right deal.

    • The Oracle

      Now on the DL.

      • South City Jim

        Just saw that, that means he makes one start max before the deadline. Next…

    • Foothills A-rye-o

      Heading for an opt in. So does that make Shark more tradeable, Breckeroni?

      • The Oracle

        It makes Cueto much more tradeable when he bounces back next season.

        • Foothills A-rye-o

          Define “bounces back”. Not getting younger out there, contract become fixed at 3.?? and 60ish millions.

          • The Oracle

            A season like he had last year, or close.

  • Lunch_Box

    I can’t understand how some Giants fans would entertain the idea of bringing back Sandoval, in any playing capacity, after he has shown in Boston that he can’t stay healthy or adhere to a healthy regimen.

    • To quote Jake Elwood: we’re getting the back together.

    • Moooooooooose

      Never say never.

    • totalfan62

      No. Freakin’. Way.

      • doobieibood

        Hitting coach

  • Foothills A-rye-o

    Not quite a full service menu as some items, like Kyle Tucker and Forrest Whitley are likely untouchable, but if Astros are truly knocking, should probably get busy scouting the guys below among other lesser names. Perhaps Mike Cameron’s kiddo too!

    https://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/12/12/13927492/houston-astros-top-20-prospects-for-2017

    Frances Marte P: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=17303&position=P

    Derek Fisher CF: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=16192&position=OF

    Teoscar Hernandez CF: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=13066&position=OF

    Joe Musgrove P: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12970&position=P

    Franklin Perez P: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa873722&position=P

    and Ramon Laureano CF: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa829185&position=OF

    *Cameron OF : http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa874736&position=OF

  • Over and Under on MadBum

    1) Getting roughed up tonight (even tho you still love him) – Charged with 6 runs * 5K’s * 6 walks
    2) Gets into it with Home Plate Umpire (and when)
    3) Smiles when he gets to hit
    4) Same as above but grimaces and tweaks something when he swings and misses one time

    5) Surprisingly has impeccable control, Goes 100 pitches and leaves up 3-2
    6) Shows flashes of his old self but is rough around the edges and loses 4-0
    7) Throws a No Hitter or Walks 9 batters
    8) Hector doubles off of him
    9) Hits a HR
    10) Yells at Wil Myers for admiring long fly ball/HR

    • South City Jim

      I’m not going to predict that Myers takes him deep, but if he does, how long would it take for Myers to round the bases? Over/under is 30 seconds.

  • Foothills A-rye-o
  • channelclemente

    For those who’d like to see one of the premier Rock/Jazz guitarist in the world, Sonny Landreth will be at Harlow’s in Sacramento August 11th. He puts on a life changing show if your a music fan of his work.

    http://www.harlows.com/calendar/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCmBAn-2hTA

    • Foothills A-rye-o

      thanks for heads up! Got to see if he’s coming my way. Love his sound. Love it!

      • channelclemente

        RS, depending on the year, has him in the top 20.

    • Matthew

      I’ve be end watching a bunch of him on a YouTube lately… lovely stuff

  • South City Jim

    I have to admit I’m kind of feeling sorry for the Rox, maybe ’cause I luck Bud, but they’re impaling themselves on their own sword.

    • Matthew

      It’s a common refrain for the Rockies. They are exposed to a hostile workplace environment for 81 games

    • Foothills A-rye-o

      They seem in need of reinforcement. Are they going to join the buyers market for starting P? 10 years ago they made the Series, and I think it was because they won somewhere close to 20 games in a row.

      • South City Jim

        Who knows. They definitely need pitching. Agree with Matthew below, that park just chews up pitching. No way around it.

    • Moooooooooose

      You should never, ever feel sorry for the Rockies after what they did in 1993.

  • Foothills A-rye-o

    This just makes all sorts of sense. Go get em, Forst-o.

    https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/886361241077338112

    • Matthew

      When I saw “Doolittle” I thought it meant Melancon

      • Foothills A-rye-o

        HA! That’s good.

        • Matthew

          What is Samardzija’s No-Trade status? Seems like Evans has been giving those away from a big ass Pez dispenser

          • 610nm

            5 years/$90M (2016-20)

            signed by San Francisco as a free agent 12/9/15
            $9M signing bonus ($3M at signing, $6M in paid in four installments of $1.5M each Jan. 15, 2017-20)
            16:$9M, 17-20:$18M annually
            limited no-trade protection (may select eight clubs to which he will accept a trade)

          • Matthew

            Thanks, The Walking Hawking!

          • 610nm

            Just google “Cot’s contracts” and then do some mouse clicks (#rallymouseturds?)

          • Foothills A-rye-o

            Who wouldn’t say Yes to a shot at the Series in Houston?

  • PerSpeier35

    Well Gang, you would have been proud of me today, been slumping lately but today I hit like I was Gorkys Hernandez. And better yet, did not keel over from heatstroke, 100ish in Livermore today.

    • Matthew

      PerGorkys66

  • doobieibood

    Strange play in Boston NYYankees.

    • doobieibood

      Runner on first, grounder to second, runner returns to first, throw to second, then to first, but runner sliding back to first blocks throw, runner is already out, but prevents double play. Game now under protest.

  • Matthew

    Not sure if any of you are watching the Boston/NYY game, but how the crew AND the NY replay center can botch the interpretation of that rule is absurd. What has happened to game officiating???

    • doobieibood

      Belt was out at second, but this guy running backwards and interfering with the play, at a base he cannot legally occupy is ok?

    • doobieibood

      They need to rework the replay — just get the damn play right, whether you can find a rule or not. *according to the announcers on NESN, there is a rule and he should’ve been out anyway.

  • WHAT????

  • totalfan62

    Gotta foul that off, BB9.

  • Matthew

    Quiet around here….

  • Bapah

    NUTMEG

    • Matthew

      Almost smacked his jhouls

  • Don’t hurt your ham bone Noonie.

  • Matthew

    As a guy who worries: this is a ton of time between the bullpen warmups and the bottom of the first for Bum

    • Yep.

    • 610nm

      On the other hand, Pence delivers a lead to welcome Bumgarner back!

  • DrLefty
    • buyselltrade

      Nice. Thank you.

    • doobieibood

      They are showing so many Giants fans there, I keep wondering which one is you.

      • DrLefty

        Black Bumgarner t-shirt from 2016 spring training, SF Hawaii cap, tan shorts 👍🏻

  • totalfan62

    Gotta say it warms my heart to hear Jon Miller talk about ECK-tor Sanchez. Always one of my faves. El Iman.

  • Hoona

    Man…. Come on ump!

  • Bapah

    Nice pick by the ballgirl.

    • Brownie

      And smoking hot but you don’t care

      • Bapah

        No, I love the ballgirls there. They can all play too. Hot and talented

    • Matthew

      Nice ballgirl

      • Bapah

        They often warm up the LF and throw really well.

      • Bapah

        I used to watch the one on LF line warm up with our LFer, Great arm. Better than Span’s

        • Matthew

          Pete Gray had a better arm than Span…the other arm

      • Brownie

        Dirty ol man

    • You got that right.

  • earlytimes

    Bum looks in mid season form.

  • doobieibood

    Ole!

  • earlytimes

    Wth didn’t Nunez get that?

    • DrLefty

      He should have. Maybe can’t push the hammy

    • Hoona

      I think Bum was calling him off.

      • earlytimes

        Maybe he was playing deep at 3d.

  • Brownie

    How did Myers make it to the ASG?

    • DrLefty

      Have to have one from every team

      • Brownie

        Rhetorical question and that’s a travesty

    • Matthew

      Every team gets a participation trophy…default

  • Hoona

    Strikes out the side in his first inning back. Not bad at all

  • earlytimes

    What a return!

    • Surf Maui

      90 mph fastball a concern but welcome back MadBum

  • Kramerica

    Is it just me or is he topping out at 90? Command looked good, but would love see that 92-94 too.

    • earlytimes

      Why crank it up first game back and 27 out?

      • Kramerica

        No argument there, just want to make sure that capability is in that golden left arm and there’s no lingering affects from the dirt bike crash.

  • totalfan62

    Love the Buster strut back to the dugout on a called K.

  • Chacin on pace to throw 270 pitches.

  • dgg

    The Giants needed for Bumgarner to be back. Like this way back. I’m still mad at him too, but my anger has lessened over time. What did he say the other day? “I put myself in this spot.” I’m sure he’s been more mad at himself that I have been at him. I was skeptical about his returning this year and wondered what was the point of taking such a risk on a lost season. I was worried he was pushing things too much, too hard, too far. But I trusted the Giants docs and trainers in this long process. I’m awfully glad he’s back and looking solid. This is what the team needed. Now if they can just achieve the modest goals Alex outlined for them in the second half, that will be good.

    • Peter Johnson

      Not pitching for 10 months is not exactly good for a pitcher, , like any skill doing it helps, sitting on your ass is not good for you,Pitchers Pitch !

  • Dang it.

  • Hoona

    Almost. But Giants playing with some intensity that I haven’t seen from them this season

    • The Oracle

      How can you tell?

      • Hoona

        Chacin’s PC

      • Hoona

        2 out hits.

        • The Oracle

          So if the results are good, that means they’re playing with intensity?

          • Hoona

            Not so much the result but the amount of pitches they were seeing per AB that led to the hit. Note Chacin’s PC. It’s a step in the right direction

          • Peter Johnson

            You are one of those guys, is Crawfish Joe your long lost brother, 1st pitch is usually the best pitch to hit, and the Padres have a great bullpen anyway .

  • https://twitter.com/alexcheremeteff/status/886271786983325696

    Proof positive Shoeless Joe Jackson wore shoes.

  • Surf Maui

    It sure is nice to see MadBum back on the mound. Seems like old times

  • totalfan62

    The MLB-TV national between innings commercials are mind numbing. Same set every half inning. Beyond annoying.

    • 610nm

      Part of the plan to make the games seem to last 5 hours?

  • totalfan62

    Yankees/Red Sox in the 16th inning.

    • 12xu

      Yankees scored 3 in T16 to take a 4-1 lead. Red Sox are playing the game under protest because of possible interference by Matt Holliday who was a base-runner at 1st when a chopper was hit to the 1st baseman, who threw the ball to 2nd to force out Holliday. But for some reason Holliday ran back to 1st, sliding in, and the return throw to get the batter to complete the DP at 1st hit Holliday. Red Sox claimed interference because the 1st baseman couldn’t catch the ball because he was blocked by the sliding Holliday. You make the call. Should the batter be called out at 1st due to Holliday’s interference?
      http://m.mlb.com/news/article/242309064/red-sox-protest-after-holliday-baserunning/

      • Moooooooooose

        Logic says “HE”S OUT!”

        • Foothills A-rye-o

          Seems like a no-brainer. DP.

      • Matthew

        “For some reason” was to interfere….

  • Surf Maui

    Hector Sanchez looks like he ate Pablo Sandoval

    • totalfan62

      😂😂

  • Bapah

    How is it possible to have a 2 syllable last name with one vowel?

    • livfreerdi

      it isn’t

    • 12xu

      Eyechart.

    • 610nm

      Consider Kent Hrbek. I know someone called Ng, one less syllable and one less vowel.

      • Lunch_Box

        Hrbek – one of the the top villians, for me, in World Series history.

        • 610nm

          Were you a Cards fan back then? Or just a hater of Homer Hankies?

          • Lunch_Box

            Not a Cards fan, but I was a young lad watching the ’91 WS when I saw him lift Gant off first base. That was the first time when I learned baseball wasn’t played fairly.

      • Foothills A-rye-o

        Kim Ng! Former Dodger front office personnel.

      • Foothills A-rye-o

        Hrbek and Gaetti had the corners taken care of !

    • Andres The Forever Giant

      You see those letters and it only makes sense when you hear the name pronounced!

  • livfreerdi

    That’s today’s MLB. 2 strikes on a no 8 hitter: HR

  • Surf Maui

    Consistently at 90 mph is a bit worrisome to me

    • 610nm

      I think we need to give the velo another couple of games, Bum is kind of just out of spring training again.

      • Surf Maui

        Hopefully. Still makes me happy to see him pitch– great competitor (duh)

        • 610nm

          I was in a good mood all day long!

    • 610nm

      Still hitless!

      • Moooooooooose

        You’re the one!

    • Kramerica

      I’m with you 100% on that. Not genuine concern yet but would like to see a bit more on the heater.

    • livfreerdi

      Not sure why it matters until April though. These are innings pitched for no reason

  • livfreerdi

    Miller talks about Myers like he’s Winfield.

    • Lunch_Box

      One of the reasons I can’t stand Miller – he makes ridiculous statements like these for millions to hear.

      • Matthew

        Whoa…”can’t stand”?

        • Foothills A-rye-o

          Costanza?

      • livfreerdi

        Love Miller … I think he’s just guilty of a little hyperbole. Focusing on the best hitter but overstating it. Little did he know it’s HR day for those under the Mendoza

    • Foothills A-rye-o

      I just don’t know why they made him a full time 1B. Why isn’t he playing OF where it seemed he belongs? Giants would gladly take a talent like him in the OF.

  • Bummer.

  • Hoona

    Caught too much of the plate. That sucks

    • livfreerdi

      Good Lord … Everyone under 200 goes deep

    • Peter Johnson

      What happened to the intensity ?

      • Hoona

        Change in momentum. Happens, can’t be in control of the whole game

  • channelclemente

    Bumgarner seems to really be avoiding the FB.

  • Had Chacin on the ropes and we back off. WTH.

    • livfreerdi

      Posey was no Sczrsczr …. Kidding

      • Peter Johnson

        Warning track power !

        • Matthew

          Your hero

  • livfreerdi

    Belt taking 2-strike fastballs down by 27 games

    • Wish he’d battle a bit with a two strike close pitch.

  • Those were some ugly at bat that inning. They were.

  • We score two runs in the first and sit on that. Damn shame.

  • The Oracle

    Remember when some on the blog wanted to replace Belt with Hector Sanchez?

    • Matthew

      No

      • The Oracle

        It was said and rivaled “Tomsula may well be an upgrade.”

        • Matthew

          I would like you to find that exact quote as well, Mr. Happy

          • The Oracle

            I’m not going to go looking for it, but I remember wondering how a smart person could think that way.

          • Matthew

            No one is as smart as you. Just ask you.

          • The Oracle

            That’s very nice of you to say.

          • Matthew

            I finished 2nd to Crawfish Joe in Nice Guy of the Blog

          • The Oracle

            I have no doubt that you’re a nice guy. Not as nice as Crawfish Joe, but no one is that nice.

    • DrLefty

      Marty Lurie

  • Matthew

    That was a great bunt

    • livfreerdi

      No way to defense that guy

  • DrLefty

    Thank God for Craw. Span broke the wrong way on that.

    • Matthew

      At least Denard is consistent

      • DrLefty

        💩💩💩

    • The Oracle

      His choices were in, back, left and right. He had a 25% chance of getting it right.

  • Foothills A-rye-o

    Nunez: pretty good ballplayer. Looking good enough out there to encourage some positive scouting reports from those checkers in the stands?

    • livfreerdi

      Just sign him back

      • The Oracle

        Why??

        • livfreerdi

          Because they have no third baseman or LFer, no speed, no bench

          • The Oracle

            No confidence in Arroyo?

  • Andres The Forever Giant

    That’s my Joe Joe! 🙂

  • Joltin Joe Jr. Atta babe!

  • Hoona

    Nice JP!

    • winebaroness27

      Good thing they have him batting at the bottom of the line up..
      Argghhh…not again!
      And get belt out of the 3 hole…

      • Hoona

        Good thing about Panik is that he’ll produce soild ABs regardless of his batting order

        • winebaroness27

          You’re right but it bugs me cause it feels more like a
          Bochy suck job to nunez and span.
          Just leave panik in the 2 hole.

          • earlytimes

            He’s hitting better in the 7

      • livfreerdi

        Ok. But better than Pence

        • winebaroness27

          Well that’s the problem..
          No one really to bat 3rd.
          I’d rather see panik hit 3rd than pence or belt

  • DrLefty

    I. Called. That. See the post!

    • Matthew

      I. Called. Span’s. Pop up.

      • DrLefty

        😂🤣😂🤣

      • That was a very lazy AB by Span there. Hope Bochy noticed that. Wouldn’t bet on it tho.

  • Giants would be slap crazy insane to deal Panik.

  • Matthew

    Span forgot how many outs there were….

    • Kramerica

      He just wanted to show off the cannon.

  • 3 outs Span. You’re good.

  • Kramerica

    Bum has nothing on the ball.

    • winebaroness27

      Realistically how could he?
      He hasn’t really pitched in 2 months.

      • totalfan62

        Closer to three months.

  • DrLefty

    Nobody moving in Giants bullpen

    • Matthew

      Kontos and Strickland are hiding behind the wall from you.

    • Peter Johnson

      Bochy wants to get him a L in his 1st game back .

    • livfreerdi

      Someone has noticed they aren’t very good?

  • totalfan62

    What was that!?

    • 610nm

      2017 Giants baseball.

    • Hoona

      Hit-and-run

      • Matthew

        Well…theoretically

        • totalfan62

          Exactly.

          • Matthew

            We call it the Whiff and Jog

      • livfreerdi

        Not much of either. That was slow motion

    • livfreerdi

      You just can’t sent Belt if he’s out on an off speed pitch almost in the dirt and Sanchez lobs one from his knees

  • Hoona

    Is MadBum a full-go from the jump? Already at 87 pitches

    • 610nm

      It seems crazy to have sent him back out there.

      • livfreerdi

        I thought so yesterday!

    • channelclemente

      I hadn’t seen anything over 90 mph is what I find concerning.

      • Moooooooooose

        Trade him before that gets out.

      • Andres The Forever Giant

        I wouldn’t expect to see 90+ for at least a couple of more starts, getting back into the regular pitching rhythm.

      • Matthew

        He’ll work up to 92 -93 next start

      • Hoona

        Velocity should return over time but pushing him past 90 pitches in his first start off the DL is a bit too much

        • Moooooooooose

          He threw 90 pitches 5 days ago.

      • 12xu

        Maybe that’s why Boch let him go 101 pitches, wasn’t taxing his arm velo-wise out there. ; )

      • Eleuthero

        Well, he’s been mowing ’em down except for the 2 dingers. Not one of us expected 7 full.

  • Matthew

    #DirtBikeStrong

    • 12xu

      LOL. Does anybody know what kind of dirt bike he has? What brand and which size engine? I imagine him to be a 250cc or 400cc guy. I used to race moto-cross motorcycles back in the day and it really is fun.

      • Matthew

        He’s doing Ryan Dungey back flips on his KTM 450

        • Peter Johnson

          James Stewart. Ricky Carmichael, Chad Reed, Hurricane Hannah, Ryan Vilapota, .

          • Matthew

            We sponsor KTM at my job…I only know the Red Bull guy

          • Peter Johnson

            He started out as a Suzuki guy, I owned 7 Suzuki’s in my life .

      • DrLefty

        Hopefully it’s his ex-dirt bike.

        • Andres The Forever Giant

          The thing is, he could have suffered the same injury doing ranch work, so I’ll always worry about Bum!

  • Surf Maui

    Great outing by MadBum_ welcome back

  • Eleuthero

    Proud of MadBum. He didn’t get the win but they got him off the hook. He did better than any of us expected. Seven full, 102 pitches. I think he’ll bring back 93 mph with a little time.

    • Hoona

      Agreed. All things considered, it was a very encouraging start for MadBum.

    • earlytimes

      Doesn’t surprise me at all. I expected he’d be at least this good.

      • Eleuthero

        Then you are the only genius today because the TWG predictions I saw were that he’d be lit up and/or early high pitch count and/or no strikeouts and/or early yank, etc.etc.. To come back and be like this … Bum is really a man’s man.

  • Matthew

    I’ve been wondering…is Samardzija trying to look like Guy Fawkes?

  • totalfan62

    After thinking out loud “two banger to Craw” it happens. Thank you.

  • The Oracle

    A couple more good starts by Bumgarner and they can pull the trigger on that big trade.

    • livfreerdi

      How big?

      • Matthew

        He wants to trade Bum

        • The Oracle

          Along about 2020-2021 or so, when Bumgarner’s contract starts to look like Matt Cain’s, only more expensive, don’t come crying to your uncle Oracle.

          • Matthew

            I can’t wait for the doomsday posts until,then

        • livfreerdi

          At 27 games down, everybody, especially a guy who took himself out of half the season, has a price.

      • The Oracle

        Big enough to justify trading him. I’d only do it if it was a truly great offer.

  • Kramerica

    I don’t care if he’s been better lately, I cringe a little bit every time ABs are given to Gorkys…who is a starting outfielder on this team. I’d rather see anyone else who has a semblance of a future with the team. I know Mac has done nothing, but it is a complete WASTE to have Gorkys F’ing Hernandez start for this team while Mac flounders around in AAA.

    • Matthew

      Last night is in your rear view mirror already!

      • Kramerica

        Last night is a clear indication of the player he is. His career stats are irrelevant. I don’t care if he goes 50 for his next 50. He is a journeyman nothing player with no future on the Giants. Starting him in a year where they need to evaluate anything and everything in their system is a complete and total waste. I’m not blaming him, but it’s just ridiculous that the organization is going with it.

        • The Oracle

          Stop making sense.

          • Matthew

            You guys are so obsessed with Gorkys. I know I counter too often…but Span and Pence are much bigger issues in the big picture

          • Kramerica

            Pence and Span are major leaguers. And they’re making real money so they’re not going anywhere. The Giants are choosing to play Gorkys who is a journeyman making the minimum over a guy who may have a future as a reserve OF. This would be a great opportunity to just see what Mac can do for the rest of the year. If he stinks all year then we know for sure.

          • Matthew

            Mac is clearly not in their plans. That’s something folks aren’t accepting…screaming about Gorkys every game isn’t gonna change that….

          • The Oracle

            Neither was Duvall, which turned out pretty well.

          • Matthew

            What the hell does Duvall have to do with it? Man…you will never get over that one

          • The Oracle

            You really don’t get it? Duvall wasn’t in their plans either, so they never really gave him a shot and he made them look stupid. So what’s the point of saying Williamson is “clearly not in their plans?”

          • Matthew

            It’s a conspiracy!!!!

          • The Oracle

            That’s not the point. There are reasons why Span and Pence are playing. Both are established major leaguers who get paid big money. Kramerica stated it perfectly. There is no reason for Gorkys to be playing. He has zero chance of being part of the solution.

          • Matthew

            Span and Pence aren’t either. The outfield is terrible.

    • The Oracle

      Gorkys is really good. I remember once he almost hit a home run.

    • livfreerdi

      Yep. But Bochy is professionally obligated to pretend a game against a team that isn’t even trying is important

      • Kramerica

        He shouldn’t even be on the roster. He’s taking up space for someone who could be evaluated for the future.

      • The Oracle

        Why would anyone play Gorkys in an important game? That’s not very good pretending.

    • Eleuthero

      Gorkys is an overaged AAA player who will finish his playing years in AAA. He’s just not MLB caliber since his weak BA is accompanied by zero power. He’s given us all that we’re going to get. I agree … time to move onto nearly any other alternative.

  • Hoona

    A little more hustle on that play would be appreciated.

    • Kramerica

      Need to keep the starting LF healthy for the future.

  • Eleuthero

    I have no strong opinions about Bochy except I just HATE the one-hitter-then-gone switches.

    • livfreerdi

      In meaningless games, when there’s no reason to think the next guy is any better

  • just peachy.

    What a surprise, said no one.

    • livfreerdi

      You have to hit his bat … Sub 200 OBP

  • Hoona

    Hector Sanchez with another game-winning HR against us….

  • Matthew

    Nice meat, pal.

  • Eleuthero

    This just reaffirms my feeling that I hate the one-batter pitcher yank. We went from the frying pan to the fire.

    • Andres The Forever Giant

      You’re searching for the guy who doesn’t have it!

      • Eleuthero

        Well said. That’s what it is when you trade a small mishap (a single) for a large unknown (the next pitcher). You’re inventing new ways to lose and, at the same time, clobbering the confidence of young men to resolve their own problems.

        • livfreerdi

          Just like the last game last season. Pitcher lifted after a dribbler up the middle

          • Eleuthero

            But the main thing is that Gearrin’s a young man trying to stay in MLB. When they get into a little trouble they want the opportunity to erase the trouble. Overcoming trouble boosts confidence. Bochy is a disaster for this young bullpen because he pulls this stunt all the effing time.

  • totalfan62

    You know what? Good for you, ECK-tor.

    • just peachy.

      Yeah, I can’t hate on the guy. Good for him.

    • DrLefty

      I feel the same way.

    • South City Jim

      They had their chances against Chacin and let him off the hook.

  • Oh my God! Hector killed that ball. That was a tape measure blast!

  • The Oracle

    Bochy is the master of the bullpen moves.

  • Kramerica

    Okert is a really, really bad pitcher.

    • livfreerdi

      Sanchez is a really really bad hitter. Bad hitting beats bad pitching?

    • Hoona

      Bochy threw him in the fire against a bad matchup

      • Kramerica

        His ERA is over 7. It doesn’t matter where he gets thrown in. He can’t pitch at this level.

  • Matthew

    It’s Gorkys fault

    • Kramerica

      You realize it’s not about Gorkys and it’s about the organizational decision making? Right??

      • Matthew

        Of course I do…but I also know there are so many positions where guys on huge contracts are failing that the Gorkys obsession is tired. He’s not putting himself out there. And he’s not as bad as folks on here make him out to be. Just my opinion.

        • livfreerdi

          Interesting point. Is he better or worse than Lemaster?

          • Matthew

            Worse. Lemaster was a slick assed fielder…just couldn’t hit

      • Hoona

        Not organizational, this is purely on managerial side of the decision-making. Calling for a hit-and-run with a slow runner, making bullpen switches in the bottom of the 9th after one batter, and continuing to bury young guys in the 25 man roster.

        • livfreerdi

          Belt revealed a new level of slowness. He once was average

  • livfreerdi

    Let’s go to Elias … 3 Padres enter the game below 200, in some cases even their OBP, and all 3 hit homers for the only runs

  • Well this one hurts. Bad. If we were going to make a turn about, this pretty much put it to rest. We are in a must win situation and need help. Arizona lost and Colorado lost and we can’t gain a game. Fat check cashers who are content to just cash their checks need to go. We need 4-5 hungry guys in the line up. Keep Posey Craw Panik and Slater. Dump Moore and Cain and Melancon. On the fence with Belt. Team has mailed it in. No fight. No desire. No drive. I really hope Wotus stays when Nevin is the manager.

    • South City Jim

      Though I agree this one kind of hurts, Arizona and Colorado losses help Chicago and Milwaukee a heck of a lot more than the Giants.

  • Eleuthero

    Why didn’t Bochy put Crick out there in the 9th? Gearrin gets too much work as it is. Are we trying to expose or hide what our newbies can do? Hiding them makes no sense at all.

    • earlytimes

      Showcasing.

    • Matthew

      There might be some showcasing going on

      • Eleuthero

        Showcasing? Don’t know what you mean.

        • Matthew

          Playing certain guys for other teams scouts to assess for trade possibilities:

          Nunez , Gearrin, Kontos, hopefully Span…

          • Eleuthero

            Thanks!

          • Eleuthero

            But isn’t it more important now to put new talent in some high stress situations as an evaluation tool? Showcasing seems like a waste if the guy being showcased just got yanked after a batter. No scout can evaluate based on one batter.

          • Matthew

            Bruce gets caught up in mixing and matching a tiny bit….

          • Eleuthero

            The Pope is slightly Catholic.

          • livfreerdi

            Forgetting that there is supposed to be an edge in doing so

          • The Oracle

            Don’t question Bochy. Only a true genius could manage 3,638 games and compile a record that was a full 10 games over .500.

        • South City Jim

          I mentioned the other day that Gearrin might be a movable piece. I’d of let him in to face Sanchez…a prime double play candidate.

    • Efrain

      Who cares they suck. You’re complaining about 101 losses over 100 losses. Just. Seems. Plain. Infantile.

      • Matthew

        Too. Many. Periods.

      • Eleuthero

        I’m “complaining about 101 losses over 100 losses”? Where did I ever say THAT? Once in a while, Efrain, you just go off the rails. I care if they suck. I guess that makes me a chump, too!

      • Eleuthero

        Upvoting your own (bad) post. You might be the only one here who pats themselves on the back after a needless display of bile.

  • earlytimes

    Speaking of Mac, he turned 27 today. Tonight 0/3 with 2 K’s. Hitting .230 in the PCL is well, hard to do. Been a rough go for him this year. I think they want to save him from complete embarrassment. When they see some sign of him having a clue at the plate….until then, Gorkys will keep the seat warm.

    • South City Jim

      I will say that when I saw Blash early in the year I thought the guy looked totally over matched. Whatever he did in the minors worked.

      • earlytimes

        Mac may just be totally discouraged and demoralized but you can’t bring him up and watch him flail away night after night and watch what little confidence he has be eroded.

        • South City Jim

          Agree but they need to give him a longer look up here. Hopefully he’ll get his swing going.

        • Efrain

          Man these Giants are some of the most weak minded little toddlers in the game. Geesh

        • The Oracle

          It’s now or never. You can’t worry about a 27 year-old minor leaguer’s confidence.

    • pacman68

      Bochy broke him. He’s done. Take him behind the barn.

  • Efrain
    • Matthew

      Straight up for Belt. In the words of Ryan: Boom. Get it done

      • Efrain

        Oh Matthew you know it would start with Bum + any combination of Belt, Panik, Beede, Arroyo and some lower level arms.

        • Matthew

          Just pulling your Belt trigger

          • Efrain

            You know Belt HAS TO BE PART OF IT.

            If not I’d be 😡

      • earlytimes

        They have Born again at 1b.

    • South City Jim

      I’d rather have Ozuna

    • Hoona

      Taking on his contract would handicap the Giants’ financial flexibility even more

      • Greenwald

        Ha there’s the understatement of the year.

      • livfreerdi

        Well … only if they let it 🙂

      • The Oracle

        Only if you consider $295 million in guaranteed money after this season to be risky.

  • Efrain

    Not surprised the Giants are being linked to Stanton. They need a splash and a new star to put butts in the seats while they lose more than win over the next 2-3 seasons.

    The PR alone will drive interest during a 100 loss season and going into most likely a couple 90+ loss seasons.

    • Eleuthero

      Question is why would Stanton want to come to a park that drains power?

      • Andres The Forever Giant

        It hasn’t drained his power, one bit!

        • 2holehitting

          It did not drain Aurillia, Kent or Bonds either. Stanton can hit them twice as far as the first 2.

      • Peter Johnson

        BS, Giants just do not have actual HR hitters, Park is a band box in day games .

        • Eleuthero

          Day games are like one-fifth of our home games.

      • The Oracle

        Come on. Stanton would have no problem in San Francisco. When he hits them, they go out anywhere.

        • Eleuthero

          That’s the prevailing opinion. But we’d be taking on a contract which could buy small countries.

        • 2holehitting

          I have wanted the Giants to trade for Stanton for years. My package a few years back was Pablo, Belt, Hector, Dirty Sanchez and a few minor league prospects for Stanton and Longoria.

          • Efrain

            You should be embarrassed to even print your supposed proposal.

            I mean why not throw in Mickey Mouse and Pooh Bear too since your not living in reality.

      • DrLefty

        He hit three HRs there just last weekend.

  • 12xu

    The BAs and number of HRs of the 3 guys who hit HRs tonight for the Padres:
    Blash .189, 3 HRs
    Eyechart Szczur .204, 2 HRs
    Sanchez .163, 4 HRs

    Gross-out.

    • Andres The Forever Giant

      Bum and Okert both learned a hard lesson that you’ve got to focus on every batter, no matter what the stats show!

      • 12xu

        Yep, unfortunately… the 2 that Bumgarner gave up were hangers, the one that Okert gave up was a FB at the belt. But sometimes even good hitters will miss that pitch. That’s baseball.

  • pacman68

    Good thing Bumgarner hurt his shoulder. He might have lost 20 games this year.

  • pacman68

    Getting Stanton is a no brainer. He is exactly what Pacman wants. Look at how better the lineup is. Get rid of crappy Span and get someone who can lead off. You got yourself a contender.

    1. Someone with speed
    2. Panik
    3. Belt
    4. Stanton
    5. Posey
    6. Pence
    7. Crawford
    8. Nunez or Arroyo

    • GermanGiantsFan

      But I really don’t see why he would want to come to the Giants currently. With a full non-trade clause I just don’t see him going for us.

      • pacman68

        Dream brother!!!! Listen to some Blind Faith!!!

    • The Oracle

      A contender might also need a little pitching and should be a little younger. I too think it would be fun to see him in a Giants uniform, but at what cost? Who are you willing to give up the players that might interest the Marlins? Do they even have those players? And that contract is pretty breathtaking. They would have to unload some salary to afford him. If they had Stanton, in 2019 the Giants would be on the hook for $153 million in salary to 7 players (Stanton, Posey, Crawford, Belt, Bumgarner, Melancon and Cueto). Then Bumgarner becomes a free agent. Maybe they’d be able to unload Cueto, Samardzija and Belt, but then who are the starting pitchers? That’s where the weakness of their minor league system comes into play. Acquiring Stanton would guarantee a lot more interesting ABs, but it wouldn’t guarantee winning.

    • Efrain

      Looking at your lineup who the hell have you traded away for Stanton.

      Any deal, even hypothetical, would include a number of guys you list.

  • pacman68

    I can’t wait for the fire sale!!

    1. Belt
    2. Pence
    3. Cueto
    4. Nunez
    5. Bochy
    6. Evans
    7. Sabean

    TAKE THEM ALL!!! BURN THE GARBAGE!!

  • The Oracle

    The genius of Bruce Bochy…Right hander Cory Gearrin starts the 9th and gives up a single to Blash, which brings up the switch hitting Aybar, who will be followed by the switch hitting Hector Sanchez, which causes the ole mixer and matcher to bring in left hander Steven Okert. Let’s start out with the fact that Okert has been a flat out bad pitcher in 2017, with a bad ERA (6.75 at the time), bad FIP, bad WHIP, and more hits than innings pitched. Meanwhile, all of Cory Gearrin’s numbers are better than Okert’s, and he’s much tougher to hit. But maybe none of that matters, because Bochy is the matchup master, right?

    Except…Aybar’s career splits are almost exactly the same from either side of the plate, and Sanchez’s career BA is 30 points higher against left handed pitchers. More significantly, left handed hitters have done slightly better against Okert than righthanders (.302 vs. .286) this season, and most significantly, left handed hitters are only hitting .154 against Gearrin this season (8-52). So what was the point? All that Bochy accomplished was exchanging a better pitcher for a worse one and creating better matchups for the Padres. Game over.

    • Matthew

      I thought you wanted a tank?

      • Peter Johnson

        Bruce will guarantee it, and you will back him all the way.

        • Matthew

          Peter…you really have to do a better job of deciphering things.

          • Peter Johnson

            Really, Bruce will guarantee a tank, because he sucks, and you will back Bruce, because that is what you do !

          • Matthew

            No..you see, there is a very, very wide path between ” Everything Bruce does is terrible and I hate him”, and “everything Bruce does is perfect and I love him”…

            Unfortunately, you don’t think there is. It’s either one or the other in your mind. I most certainly don’t back Bruce all the time. But you and the Oracle have a really, really tough time realizing there is more than two polarized opinions on any matter.

      • totalfan62

        Not if it gets in the way of a good snark opportunity.

    • DrLefty

      I keep wondering if Josh Osich has been kidnapped. The bullpens are way out in left-center field, and from our seats, we could see “It’s a lefty warming up” but not which one. We’ve seen Okert twice and Osich hasn’t even warmed up. I think overall Osich is having a much better year than Okert is.

      I’d rather be seeing Osich and Crick get some reps because I think they have upside for next year and beyond.

  • Efrain

    This should be numbing to Giants fans. Think back to pre 2012 and the excitement of seeing All Star players such as Posey, Bum, Crawford come up, guys that the team was able to garner great success around.

    Now watch what Bellinger is providing to the Dodgers (or fill in Judge or any young superstar.

    Now look at the Giants and their farm system. It’s frightening to realize the next great Giants player is no where in the system, hasn’t even been drafted yet, nor are they capable of drafting him. That’s going to be a quite a run of futility.

    Even the Yankees are close to 10 years without a trip to the WS.

    • Matthew

      Though they seemed to do a good job with high draft picks in the recent decade, the rest of the drafts, and their development, have been bad. The player evaluation staff, the scouts, and Evans should be under fire.

      It also looks to me like what/who Evans wants and who Bochy does are not aligned. Unless this team gets lucky and EVERY core player plays above expectation, this is gonna be a long slide. The cupboard is bare.

      Start trading.

    • DrLefty

      Maybe Heliot Ramos? It’s really early, but so far scouts are raving about him.

      • Foothills A-rye-o

        Probably the new #1 prospect. The hurdles aren’t hard to clear, but he has the tools to leap.

      • Efrain

        That’s the point. If it’s Ramos they are waiting what? 4 years? That’s a long time.

        Unless they can trade for stars / young talent, they will not smell the post season for awhile

        • DrLefty

          Yeah, we’ll see. They haven’t had a star emerge from their system since Bumgarner and Posey in 2010…seems like they still figured out how to win championships in ’12 and ’14.

          • Efrain

            well it was no secret it was all about pitching pitching pitching.

            Not the same level anymore. A team can get away with not having superior power or run production as long as the staff and D hold up.

  • 2holehitting

    28 games back and counting.

    • Efrain

      We should start a pool:

      Pick a number between 95-110 losses. See how many hit it.

      Cmon Haak start it #my100losstteam

      😝

      • 2holehitting

        But what if they play 500 ball or better in the second half? They would have 91 losses or less.

        • Efrain

          They won’t

      • HaakAway

        #EmbraceThePain™ is an old Giants fan method for 50 years. We know how to do that.
        Trade for a couple Top 50 MLB prospects to add The Farm.
        Too much talent to lose 100.

  • Surf Maui

    Looks like we are not the only ones who may be regretting paying a lot of money for a closer

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/15/sports/baseball/yankees-red-sox-aroldis-chapman.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

    There have been hints that the Yankees might be second-guessing their decision to hand Chapman the richest and longest contract ever awarded to a closer.

    • Efrain

      Chapman will suffer through bad steaks but the odds of him gaining do minance again are much better than Melancon

      • DrLefty

        I’ve always thought Chapman could struggle as age and innings start to pile up…every blazing fastball gets slower after awhile. He and Melancon are apples and oranges.

  • DrLefty
  • Foothills A-rye-o

    As our resident seer of visions past and future has decreed, winning is cyclical and the Giants are on a downturn, hoping for a quick upturn. It’s been a nice run though.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/075f1c99ca9319eebe0cf39270183b5dad26e5b6a3b02512410d7f42c6ead547.jpg

    • Eleuthero

      We ARE on a downturn but I can’t see what the X and Y axes represent on that graph. Season W/L? The loss last night was inconsequential in a lost season. Bum’s obvious return to good health is all that mattered. Too bad about the HRs because in all other respects he was terrific. Another thing for the long term health of the franchise: we’ve got to attend to the scouting/player development side of our MiLB system and not focus solely on the current players themselves.