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atrocious
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horrifyingly wicked.“atrocious cruelties”
synonyms: brutal, barbaric, barbarous, savage, vicious, beastly; More -
of a very poor quality; extremely bad or unpleasant.“The San Francisco Giants play atrocious baseball.”
Hector Sanchez’s career was going nowhere when the Giants decided to part ways with him. It took a desperate San Diego Padres team to resuscitate his Major League Baseball playing days. He is a career .464 hitter (13 for 28) with five homers and 14 RBI against San Francisco and a career sub .240 hitter against everyone else.
The San Diego Padres are the epitome of a bad baseball team.
The Padres have beaten the Giants 17 out of the last 23 games.
Ty Blach was knocked around with a barrage of doubles and a homer by Wil Myers.
Home runs at AT&T Park in 2017:
Wil Myers – 5
Buster Posey, Brandon Crawford, Hunter Pence, Joe Panik (combined) – 4— Andrew Baggarly (@extrabaggs) July 23, 2017
Take it away gang:
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Breckeroni says WTH? How does Denard Span have a higher slugging percentage than Brandon Belt on July 24th?!?
Rice a Roni says WTF, How can Gorkys Hernandez have a higher batting average than BB9 on July 24th.
Pablo’s former host mom welcomes him back to San Jose. Mainly posting this because the Christmas in July unis are Just. So. Bad. The caps!
https://twitter.com/sjgiants/status/889362234119290880
Ahhhh, that is sweet. Those are nice hugs – and cute selfie takings. Welcome back Panda. There is nothing to lose in SF. And like Pappy O’Daniel, the Giants are forgive and forget Christians.
“My opponent here seems to be harborin’ a hateful grudge against the Soggy Bottom Boys”–
You’ll always get me with an “O Brother” reference!
I forget what it was, but I came across a reference for a real life Pappy O’Daniel from Depression era, who was obviously the model for the character. He too was a flour milling baron and demagogue, sort of a historical Trump.
Hilarious character in the movie…the actor did a great job.
oh my gosh, those Xmas in July jerseys are supposed to be bad sweaters! Well done – atrocious! And they got one hit by some 33rd round pick!
Whoever thought of this promotion should be fired. Whoever ok’d it should be shot.
The jerseys are atrocious and a bullet is too good for the marketing sub-genious.
This must be part of that War on Christmas some folks talk about.
I wonder if that Christmas in July promotion was timed as a gigantic “Fuck You” to Panda: Sure, welcome back and wear this horrible unis and be forever tainted online in the process….
The Giants might need to rethink Ty Blach. The guy is allowing as a starter teams to hit .290 and sports a 4.49 ERA. The first time through the lineup teams are hitting .211 against him. The second time through .331, thrid time through .328. He has a 5.28 ERA in night games.
Since most games are played at night, and his second-4th time through a lineup has much worse stats, it would appear that hitters are getting comfortable with him after not seeing him before and raking the ball.
I was curious about Pablo’s use and origin of KFP48, so I DuckDuckGo’d it.
KFP48 Trademark Information
On Friday, April 25, 2014, a U.S. federal trademark registration was filed for KFP48 by Pablo Sandoval, San Diego, CA 92121. The USPTO has given the KFP48 trademark serial number of 86263473. The current federal status of this trademark filing is ABANDONED – NO STATEMENT OF USE FILED. The correspondent listed for KFP48 is REGGIE BORKUM of BT ADVISORS, 4350 EXECUTIVE DR # 48E320, SAN DIEGO, CA 92121-2115 . The KFP48 trademark is filed in the category of Clothing Products . The description provided to the USPTO for KFP48 is Hats; Sweat shirts; T-shirts.
http://www.trademarkia.com/kfp48-86263473.html
How did he come to use it in the first place?
Sounds like a typical branding trademark process…as for his usage origin…either he saw it somewhere on a rogue T shirt, or he and his crew sitting around thinking of marketing ideas?
Do you know what it stands for? KFP?
C’mon, Baps…keep up!
Kung Fu Panda
Aaahhhh. I’ve just zoned out apparently.
King of Fat Pandas
C’mon contenders, he’s a little rough around the edges, but he’s batting .305 with 17 SBs and solid glove work at the corner. He can move around the field too. You know you want him. You know you need him on your playoff roster.
Why our “we” so hot to trade Nunez?
He is one of few 2017 SF Giants having a good season and is the best speed on the roster. He is an aggressive contact hitter that seldom Ks, hits for good BA, and OK OBA as can still draw walks because of a good batting eye. He is an exciting player because he takes chances but also makes some mistakes.
Nunez plays several positions adequately and has stated a willingness be a super utility player to stay a Giant.
Nunez is relatively inexpensive and probably will not require a mega-contract to retain.
Nunez was high on my trade list but my mind has changed. His quality and specific skills lack on the Giants and may be hard to replace.
One word. Rental.
I get that, traded for a prospect then resigns with Giants in off season. Nunez might like the experience of a winning team
He’s a free agent. We don’t need to sign another 30+ year old player. He’s a decent 3B, an OK SS fill-in, but awful in the OF. We have MiLB players on the way at those positions. Plus he shows an alarming capacity for mental farts. I like him a lot, but right now it’s best to move him.
I like Nunez because of his speed and the way he is a role hitter but don’t want him as a started. Nunez may be the example of the 30+ player that has his better years in early 30s.
Nunez reminds me a lot of Pagan. The guy is quick and fit and can hit and swipe bags. The question is does he break down like Pagan did? So far the answer is yes.
He’d just wind up blocking young players from getting on the field. Might as well get something for him, before another hamstring injury sidelines him. Maybe he can return a pitcher the caliber of Ty Blach, or Adalberto Mejia again.
I think Mejia may end up superior to Blach unfortunately.
He may end up blocking young players but that is more a function in that it is time to replace Bochy. There is the role of the older utility player that mentors younger players that play regularly. Nunez knows what it is to be utility, that has been the vast majority of his career.
I like the idea of trade for prospect and a rental coming back to Giants.
Or an outfielder who has a 1 in 10 chance of being good — I would take that.
I just watched the Spangenberg single that scored Hector Sanchez–the play that led to Baggs snarky tweet. It’s a hard ground ball single up the middle. Hector Sanchez, running with a piano on his back, scores easily as Span makes NONE attempt to even throw toward home plate. We can’t stand fir another year of this.
More to the point, the Giants shouldn’t.
Span is way past used up as CF.
The Giants did not do their homework or were blind optimists in the signing.
I do not support the Giants getting Lorenzo Cain. He is a better CF than Span ever was and can still play but is over 30, has never played more than 140 games in a season, and has never hit more than 16 HR.
That’s because Cain is not a HR hitter so no reason to point that out. On a solid team like KC when they won all he had to do was play solid D and put ball in play.
But Cain has the same problem just not as advanced as Span, Cain has never been able to complete a full season because of injuries.
From 2013 to 2016, Cain’s seasons as a starting player, he has only played 115, 133, 149, and 103 games respectively. He fields much better but does not hit much better than Span. I pointed out that Cain is not a HR hitter. Maybe Cain would have been a better choice than Span but that was then and now is now. Cain at best is a complimentary part on the wrong side of 30.
My argument is simply that I can’t get on board the sentiment that Cain would be a major improvement albeit still better now than Span.
the main point some have touched on (that you may have missed) is that this team needs a superior CF to take advantage of the park dimensions and utilize ATT as a “positive’ for the team. Hell, it needs an OF comprised of top defenders at every OF spot.
But no, the shit for brains in the front office rolled out the worst OF in all of MLB (check the stats, the eye test, whatever you need as proof). Thus in one full swoop nullyfying any positives that should result in our staff pitching in a “pitchers park”.
So the short answer is Cain would absolutely be have a positive affect on the Giants defensively. But the Giants roster and payroll makes it hard to justify a guy his age when they need to get younger.
I know a few people are Span believers in some ways – he is hitting, he’s a good clubhouse guy (which are true)…
But, when your center fielder has this dramatic effect on the team, especially the pitching staff, it’s a set of daily dominoes that keep falling. Span can’t remain as a CF in this league
I like Span as a 4th OF, PH, and DH but he is not an adequate CF especially if the team plays in ATT and is a strong pitching team.
I miss the old “Morning Coffee-talk” This other stuff is so depressing. I just made a cappuccino and feel much better.
I have no suggestions regarding the roster. I’m tired of losing. We need something new to talk about. I think the team may feel the same way.
Look at this team objectively. If we are truly trying to convince ourselves that a guy like Ty Blach is some sort of good story, then things are truly horrendous. Now, that’s nothing against Blach, per se. He’s performed to expectations…but he’s just a guy. I personally liked Suarez more last year.
Blach can’t be seen as anything more than a middling, end of rotation placeholder. Or, a dukey reliever than might get some guys out over 3 innings as a long man.
He’s a .500 with a 4.50. Exactly what he will always be. That’s fine in general. But, I don’t see him getting any better
He’s no Timmy, that’s for sure.
And they got Lincecum because they were bad.
Yet where is Timmy now. Where was he at 30yrs old?
“He’s a .500 with a 4.50.”
And the best starter on the team.
I think Bumgarner might be a little better.
He’s also .500 for a sub-.500 team, and it may be that he can still get better. Yeah, he’s not going to be the ace or the #2 guy, but it could be that he’s learning how to pitch to MLB lineups. Starters that can go 6 or 7 innings without getting blown out all the time are fairly useful, aren’t they?
That’s what it has come to….
I know. It’s really bad.
Blach has a .331 average to hitters the second time through the lineup. He has a .211 average the first tim through. It has been said, the more you see a pitcher, the easier it is to hit him. Blach is new to the league. I can only believe his first time through the order numbers will tank as people see him more.
It seems like everyone is starting to get it. No old and expensive free agents. If the team is better next season, and it would be hard not to to at least be a few games better, then it needs to come from improved performances from many of the vets who’ve slipped and the emergence of some of the very few young guys who at least have a chance. The last thing Bochy needs, assuming he returns, are more veteran options.
It’s who Bochy was as a player and he’s always going to give OTH guys the benefit of one more chance. It’s like a junky in some ways.
I’m sure most here agree. Reduce temptation.
“Reduce Temptation” is the key … EvanSabes see that and are the Designated Drivers for Bochy.
But as a player, Bochy was a guy who never really got much of a chance. He never had more than 167 PAs in a season, even when he had a couple of years at the end when he showed really good power (14 HRs in 239 ABs).
I think that’s exactly why he DOES give these older vets that chance…because he didn’t get that kind of a chance until it was too late.
I really and truly hope he retires at the end of this season, both for him (his family, his health) and for the team, which needs a different way of looking , deciding, communicating
Do you think Bochy’s refusal to use young guys that come up is his way of telling EvanSabes “over my dead body” in the battle of baseball philosophy?
Young guys have to be talented. Do you think they would be automatic stars if someone else was manager? You can’t squeeze top tier skills out of mid tier talent. Doesn’t work like that.
You only discover talent if you give them a chance to play right?
Duffy and Panik are two talented players who only got a chance when all the Vets were clearly failing.
Others here have made the case that Duvall was not given a chance … he ends up pretty good.
I am not saying Parker/Mac are talented enough for the MLB, just that the time they have been given never gave anyone a chance to find out.
I sense a larger disconnect between Bruce and Evans than I did when Sabes was the daily direct contact. But, at his core, bruce has always had a distrust of youth unless that youth was a clear special talent. The Giants don’t have that….
Yes, Exactly. Bruce and Sabes are/were very close off the field.
Cmon Matthew you know Bochy is not going anywhere, 3 rings have bought at minimum a couple more season (depending on health of course).
You know baseball better then to link that a new manager is going to squeeze more talent out of aging vets and what are at best middle tier prospects in the farm.
And Bochy has won with that formula anyways, he just had younger stars available rising simultaneously.
You may not be very good at posting photos, but here, with this, you’re Aces
Good post and interesting take on Bochy. I think management has to make this his last season and give him a nice cushy ceremonial front office position. I also think as you or someone mentioned in the last post, the time may be now for a full on house cleaning, including a new GM and maybe scouting director. Evans does not seem to be making moves more than one move ahead (in chess speak). It may be an ownership issue and if it is, they are deluded if they think the Giants are going to magically be good again next year just because they want it, without making major moves.
Precisely.
Psychology 101.
You know best managers in history were not great players. So with that think you are assuming only a manager who was a great player would teach or give young guys more of an opportunity?
Ever think the young guys on the team don’t have the talent required? Everyone on this blog is so devastated by the Duvall trade that they quickly assume there are other “Duvalls” on the squad. why? How do you know this?
The odds are pretty minimal that there is even one guy like Duvall currently in the minors, a guy that has made the ASG and has good power. Why is that? Well given the fact this team did not develop a long term OF guy since the Chili Davis era, the odds are bleak that there is another as good as Duvall there. They haven’t picked high in the draft, no top tier can’t miss OF. AND WHEN they did pick an OF they F’d it up with Brown.
The fear is that, if there were, they wouldn’t know it. They’ve routinely misjudged their own talent both ways.
Brown was a late first round pick, which are usually hit or miss picks. Now they they need to hit on their top 2 pick this year — Will Clark and Matt Williams were both top 3 picks. They will likely have another top 10 pick next year, so these next two drafts need to yield some impact players that should help in about 3 years — they are headed for a drought despite demands from management to contend.
The next time this team is good, I think they’ll have a Top 10 farm system to boast. Seems everyone is starting to get it.
Farms=produce
Brian Murphy on KNBR this morning said that Brandon Crawford feels that the Giants management should move the fence in at the RF power alley. Crawford said it in a blog where he took questions from kids. I tried to find it on the web but couldn’t. Did anybody read it?
Kruk also said that Wil Myers started to hit better here when he convinced himself that he could, it used to be in his head that he couldn’t.
Crawford is right. When the park was built, quirky dimensions were in style, because they supposedly added character. The wall could be moved in to a more reasonable distance without losing any of the beautiful park’s character. There shouldn’t be any 420 foot non-home runs.
I disagree. Our park is special because of the dimensions and it was instrumental in helping us win three rings. Now, because the Giants are terrible we want to move in the fences? Come on!
How were the dimensions instrumental in winning the World Series?
Of course they weren’t but some fans love to think that way.
Only argument that can be made is that it’s a pitchers park and the first 2 rings were won by teams reliant on pitching, with the lady one a combination of pitching, luck and timely hitting.
I think the dimensions can be slightly altered without losing its integrity.
Players from opposing teams somehow hit home runs in our park.
And, there is THIS.
I’m looking desperately for the THIS, GG. It sounds great, but where is it?
I think GG means your comment that other teams can somehow homer.
Oh!
Bingo
I was waiting for a big photo that illustrated the standout beauty and design of our ballpark.
And triples are really cool too. If a LHH wants to hit HRs, he need to get the bat head out and pull the ball. Brandon Crawford was able to surpass 20 HRs in a season and he’s not known as a big bopper.
Greek, the game has shifted to a “Strike Out or Home Run” style that has left the Giants in the dust…and, I don’t think it’s temporary. The park has played a big role in past success, but it’s also playing a significant role in this current state…I’m OK with some park adjustments.
Also…if you don’t change the park, then you have to be smart enough to not have guys like Pence and Span defending the open spaces, and you need to commit long term to the kind of power that CAN produce in this exact park
Good points. If the Giants know this then they would not be stupid enough to have the worst defensive OF in baseball and would have planned better then going into the season with Pence, Span, Mac/Parker and a bag of Doritos. That just tells you how inept Evans truly is.
Exactly. The issue with our park is more about outfield defense than offense. Our park has been an equalizer for our success when we had good pitching and better, not great outfield defense. Signing Span was a bad move mostly because of his limited range in Center. Pence’s decline is just that, a decline of an aging player who relies almost exclusively on his athleticism and unorthodox techniques throwing and batting. The Giants should be using the Willie Mays Field advantage for tremendous outfield defense. Bringing in the walls would be a monumental and architectural mistake. The Park at Third and King will always be tough to hit because of the weird SF climate with the cold and fog. Nobody ever talks about these factors but I guarantee you they are HUGE for players and as big a part of the equation that reduces homers in our park.
That’s all well and good Greek, and makes sense on paper, but the fact is the games still have to be played.
So the Giants so called “brain trust” knowing the park should be a positive for their staff, decides over the past two years to not fix the OF issue and roll out Span/Pence/Parker/Mac/Marerro.
How does that makes sense to you or anyone. How is that justifiable.
Anyone who knows baseball knows you build from the inside out. The Giants have Posey, Craw, Panik up the middle. The missing link is the CF, who the Giants have arguably the worst defensive CF and entire OF in the majors right?
Matthew has posted on how its a domino effect on the team, that hurts the entire OF, INF and pitching staff.
Whats the result? 100 losses!!!!
Crawford has 21 home runs at home and 46 on the road. His batting average .251/.252 and OBP .216/.311 are almost the same for home/away splits. My guess is if he was a better hitter that could hit for average, he might have a more convincing argument.
Then again, I do not here Giants pitchers calling for the walls to be moved in.
Even if it became an Astrodome Grand Canyon 390 power alley, it’d be more fair. You’d think 30 feet of another special suite with lots of expensive seats would appeal to Baer!
Murphy is a golf guy who has never really gotten the hang of baseball.
Hey crawford …why don’t you just play a little better and not worry about the fences?
And lose some wt..
I don’t remember anyone crying about the fences when they were winning…
Precisely! See my posts below!
I don’t see anything wrong with triples alley and roomy confines, so long as the outfielders are fast, and the team hits a lot of doubles instead of HR. A fast OF is also very useful in the road games at Colorado. It comes down to correctly fitting your team to a park, that is also unsettling to the visiting teams which might be put together for band boxes.
What is sad is watching the other teams run with such success on our outfielders.
Move fences in, move fences in … Home runs are diluting the game, and the only direction fences move are in.
RH pull hitters have always been able to hit HRs at AT&T — Burks, Alou, Burrell, Kent, etc… It is up to management to get some of those players on this roster.
Here’s the Brandon Blog:
https://sfgiants.mlblogs.com/tweet-this-post-brandon-crawford-2377ea93eb5b
So I find myself here on July 24, diehard Giants/49ers fan, yearning for August 1 which means to me that football season is starting. Haven’t had this experience in many a year.
Long season, but hang in there! The next week will be educational as to who will be on the 2018 GIants, and if they have a chance to play 0.450 or better. September should have some more young guys up, too. Plus, we all kind of know we have to keep following the Giants, because the off season is even worse – no games at all.
September is too late. Let’s have some August call-ups.
Up to 40 guys after Sept. 1, and also you don’t want to overpromote people like Shaw before they assimilate AAA? I’m not so happy they sent Hwang down, although it does let them take another look at Calixte. Parker ought to be up as soon as he’s at 100%.
It will continue to be torture until then..
Oh, right. We don’t want to lose any more has-beens or never-weres.
Except football is awful and coverage is dominated by the minor leagues
College, you mean? Yeah, that’s the first taste of the season. Important season for my Tennessee Volunteers and coach Butch Jones.
And tonight we get Gerritt Cole vs. Matt Cain. The hits just keep on coming.
It’s gonna be really hard to steal that Top 3 pick from the Giants hands.
Didn’t we beat him in Pittsburgh a few weeks ago?
i had been seeing many stories that Cole might be moved before the deadline….he’s having a tougher year than prior
Wasn’t that the last good series we played? Kidding, but not by much.
I liked the one where we swept the Rockies at home, too. We owe them a few of those.
And we did beat Cleveland two out of three just last week, and they’re a first-place team (OK, in a weak division) and defending AL champions. This Padres thing is a huge bummer, but we’ve had our (precious few) moments.
Yesterday especially. It seemed as if as soon as those four runs crossed in the 4th, we went into “game over” mode. That’s gonna happen in a season like this, but it’s been happening a lot–and it’s ugly.
You know, people said that, but to be fair to the guys:
On Tuesday they walked off (Nunez)
On Wednesday, they rallied for three in the eighth after falling behind and won
On Friday, they rallied in the ninth to put the game into extras (Gillaspie)
On Saturday, they walked off in extras (Hundley)
They may have just been tired yesterday after two straight extra-inning games. But the problem lately has not really been a lackluster offense–it’s been every starting pitcher getting knocked around. The offense can’t pick them up EVERY time, but they’ve done it a fair amount in the last week. On Friday they lost despite scoring four in the first, leading 6-2, and 9 runs total.
I like this. A step-back perspective!
You do recognize that you named their only 3 wins in the past 9 games in that comment.
Tore him up for 7 runs, IIRC.
steve k’s story about how he came by his “two flaps down” hat is the very best of this blog.
Missed it. Are you talking about those Elmer Fudd hats? I want one.
Steve wanted one too. That’s where the story starts.
This story was back on Lefty’s post about Saturday’s game result, if I remember correctly.
Yes, I’m trying to find it and repost it here. Where’s steve k and Lefty this morning?
Working on a draft of a book chapter and supervising a painter. We’re having our daughter’s room repainted. A few years ago, in a dark period after breaking up with her high school boyfriend, she painted the room dark teal and dark gray. Not only are the colors objectionable, but it looks like two 18-year-old girls (she and her friend) did the job. Now that she’s been away at college for a couple years, I thought it was time for a do-over.
That’s gonna take a few layers to paint over ! Just like the emotional wound.
MetaphorKing™
Ugh, seriously. The paint job, anyway. She got a much better boyfriend, and they recently passed their four-year anniversary. I can’t wait to have the room looking better, though!
For sure. Now Lefty’s gonna send me one of Pablo’s peejay jerseys!
(Medium, please.) ;o)
thank you, D. i wanted readers to know the kind of person lefty is. i always tell people that i’m pretty sure that the Lord put us here to help others whenever possible. as far as i’m concerned, people can be categorized very simply. there are those that “get it”, and those that don’t. dr. lefty gets it………….here’s my post…..
Hey doc, I hope you don’t mind, but I’m going to tell your loyal readers about my most prized possession. Yep, 2 flaps down.
A while back, I was watching the giant’s telecast, and amy g came on with a guest. It was old penitentiary face himself, jeffery leonard. They were plugging an upcoming give away. It was one of those elmer fudd 2 flaps down hunting caps. This one was even cooler than the one they had given away previously. I posted on TWG that I’d kill to have that, but I knew that wasn’t going to happen.
The next day I got an e-mail from lefty, requesting my address. I sent it to her, but didn’t have a clue why, so I asked her. She told me that she had a friend, whose family had season tickets. They all had a hat from the last give away, and didn’t mind sending a fellow fan one of their hats. Sure enough, in a couple of days, the hat arrived! Lefty’s friend also included one of those hunter pence cupie dolls with the suction cups on it. What a nice person she is! Not really a big surprise since she’s a friend of lefty’s.
Now, I want you to keep in mind, that other than from this blog, I have met left, and mr. lefty, one time. We met at yankee stadium last year when the giants were in, for a total of maybe ten minutes. This random act of kindness by the left hander was just that. Not solicited in any way. Thank you, doc….
Isn’t it reasonable to say that if the Giants go with nearly the same personnel (FO, Mgr and players) for 2018 that the results are likely to be the same? There needs to be changes on all 3 levels — including Bochy. I just think Bochy is too tired or worn down to go another season — when you see the Giants play as listlessly as often as they have this year…..Just not good
Amen.
I know how to remedy a herniated disk and have personally done it, but I’m not telling Kershaw what it is.
He probably can afford good medical advice.
This condition now has to be regarded as chronic, right, since it happened two years in a row?
They have some bucks committed to him (from Cot’s contracts):
7 years/$215M (2014-20)
signed extension with LA Dodgers 1/14 (avoided arbitration)
$18M signing bonus
14:$4M, 15:$30M, 16:$32M, 17:$33M, 18:$33M, 19:$32M, 20:$33M
Kershaw may opt out of contract after 2018 season
award bonuses: $1M for Cy Young. $0.5M for 2nd/3rd in vote
assignment bonus: $3M if traded during off-season
if traded during season, may void deal after World Series
if traded during off-season, may void deal after one season
I know all about “good medical advice” re: herniated disks. It took logical, but “out of the box” process to do it.
Pitchers seem to be like the $50 orchids I bring home for Beauty once in awhile…delicate pains in the ass that usually die off well before their value is realized.
Kershaw is amazing. Low backs are unforgiving. I hope he stays healthy.
Suppose you are all 6 of the Dodger GM’s back in 2014, they had a gaggle of ’em. It looks like a lead pipe cinch to lock Kershaw up for the rest of his career, and no one could criticize such a move. Fast forward to 2017, and never mind this rest of this year. The salaries for the next three years total 100 million smackers! They are very nervously awaiting medical developments!
Tell Kershaw that the only remedy is spinal surgery and a 2-year rehab
Pins and rods. That’s what Opie needs. Permanent immobilization, that’s the ticket.
I don’t mind the DL, but I hope you guys aren’t rooting for the demise of his career. That would be akin to Koufax’s early retirement, after his best season. No bueno.
Of course not, I just want him to call me directly and keep it on the “down-low”.
Atta-babe.
Oh, heck no…if you’ve read my posts about him, you know I have the utmost respect.
Atta-babe Mateo.
I feel bad for Kershaw. This is rough.
He was having his best season ever, headed for 25 wins.
Imagine if something like this took down Bumgarner.
(Oh wait – it already did.)
Is that the official diagnosis? If so, he’s done for the year, no??
Depends how bad and what Tx is.
That WAS the Dx I heard. It isn’t being said now for obvious reasons.
Who are all these mysterious guests with upvotes?
Lurkers.
But I thought that got fixed. You couldn’t upvote unless you logged in.
I take it as a good sign. There’s people out there paying attention, they just need to be activated onto the “TWG roster”.
If you’ve blocked someone, their vote shows up as “Guest.” So it’s a compliment!
Are you sure of that? I can’t see rEfrain giving me an upvote.
Yup. Disqus repeatedly requires me to log in, and before I do I can see everyone’s comments. You never know.
I know I should understand the situation, but can you guys clarify the Cain situation? Who holds the option for next year?
The Giants, 7.5 M , buyout .
Thanks, Peter… where the heck have you been??? We need your input!
I was lurking, but do not want to post, because to much hypocrisy on this blog, to many posters get all over me for being crude but have no problem insulting me, and talking down to me, but if I do it to them it is a mortal sin .
If you’d like an apology from me, you have it.
No, I go over board, it is on me , for letting people get to me .
Thanks.
Welcome back, Peter!
That very gracious, Pete.
I would be happy to have you back again, Peter, with everyone being civil to everyone else.
This blog doesn’t agree on much, which is fine in a discussion forum. But insults don’t help anyone. You have a consistent baseball theory, about the XBH and its highest form the HR, and I like your defense of Tim Lincecum. And you’ve contributed “slappy” to the blog vocabulary, and some interesting quizes.
Never had a problem with you, you are a good man, I usually back up my posts with stats that prove a point , like Timmy was 19-13 his last year in a half with the Giants .
I’d take him in the pen right now.
Dude…stick around. I know that I appreciate the raw honesty and passion, and I’m sure most others do as well.
I agree with Mathew. You add to TWG. None of us are perfect but most of us are dedicated Giants fans.
The Gints have a buy-out for $7M. I take that to mean, otherwise the contract continues for one more year at $___M?
$21 million, I think. Thereabouts. Not happening, in other words. I think the buyout is $7.5, exactly what it was for Zito.
Yes, I looked that up last week. Given that Matt Cain has been fairly reliably giving 6 innings and 3 runs allowed, you’d almost consider him for 5th starter in 2018 (my love for the Horse is shining through a bit). But if and only if you could pay him just that 7.5 million, and not the entire 21.
Honestly, I feel there’s a better chance to win when Cain is scheduled than Samardzija or Moore, but the other way around when its Blach and Bum.
Really? Samardzija is dramatically better than Cain in my eyes…but has pitched in Cain-type luck all season
Yes, really. Samardzija might need to throw a few more balls? I’m making this up instead of looking it up, but he may have allowed more HR than BB. Matt Cain is what he is, but seems to allow fewer runs than the two I named.
More home runs…yes. And, with decent defense, a much better ERA.
Smarge has pretty much been aces until his last two starts. Then he looked Moorish.
Smarge needs to get sneakier in his approach to some hitters.
totally agree…he has a John Montefusco type stubbornness
1-for-6 in San Jose? Yeah, yeah, yeah — a no-risk deal. Let’s see 30 at bats at AAA. Right.
Brisbee has a vid of all of BB25’s splash hits.
https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/7/24/16020072/happy-53rd-birthday-barry-bonds
It kinda makes me sad, like thinking of Lance Armstrong’s Tour ‘victories’ being disappeared.
The Kershaw Kernel:
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/889534827036364800
One never nose. Herniated disks come in a full spectrum of colors.
465nm?
It does mean usually, he’ll pitch in pain for the duration of his career. He seems to have more in common with Koufax than any one had thought.
I was able to get to a place where I had no pain after several years of a range from serious discomfort to immobilizing pain.
But then, as a civilian, you’re not trying to push through 200+ innings a year. I suspect Koufax feels less pain today too. I can’t imagine throwing ~2000 pitches a year where each on gives you sacral pain.
Sandy has had good use of his left arm these past 50 or so years, which is why he retired at 30!
I wonder why Kershaw doesn’t just get a laminotomy and get it over with. Herniations (I’ve had them) tend not to just disappear.
They can disappear though. Plus fusions have a LOM (limitation of motion) sequelae. Art White (premier SF back surgeon), was a back guy that often saw surgery as a last resort.
I thought that with a laminotomy they just scraped off the herniated part of the disk and do not do a fusion.
You’re correct about laminotomy. I’m suggesting a non-surgical remedy. If surgery is necessitated, a minimally-invasive laminotomy would be preferred if conditions and Dx allow it.
Sorry, I’m trying to do this while waiting at the DMV.
I don’t know if Kershaw’s troubles are with the same disk over and over or a rotating series of different disks. If it’s the same one over and over then I’m surprised they haven’t gone the laminotomy route which has a good recovery profile. Good luck at the DMV. I can’t stand the long waits at Bay Area DMVs.
Those fail all the time — see Tiger Woods who I think finally got a fusion after three failed “minimally invasive” surgeries.
Just talked to my brother the doger fan – he said it was a herniated disk last year that sidelined him 10 weeks. I’m amazed that he could come back that quickly from a herniated disk.
This is all thoughtfully timed so that the Dodgers can make a decision about how much to jump into the trade market right now.
As Dylan Hernandez wrote in the LA Times yesterday, the Dodgers probably needed to go after a front-line starter anyway, even if Kershaw were 100%. But I can see where they might have been reluctant to do so, given their huge lead and the high price tags in July.
The Dodgers have not been able to replace Greinke as a workhorse. There’s not a single Dodger starter, including Kershaw himself, who has a track record of being durable over a long season and postseason. Urias was supposed to be their late-season ace in the hole, but no more. Probably too much to ask of Walker Buehler, who just got to AAA and is only in his first full year back from TJ surgery.
Not that I’m wishing them well or anything, but objectively speaking, the Dodgers have a wide-open opportunity this year. They should get another starter.
If not Yu, Gray? Verlander? Some unexpected arm? Rumor wire should be abuzz aplenty this week.
any chance they call the jints and discuss a deal to rent sr. cueto?
I suppose there’s a chance. They did do exactly that this time last year with Rich Hill, who had blisters and didn’t pitch for the Dodgers for at least a month after he was traded to them. If they believed Cueto could recover in time for the postseason–seems reasonable–it might be worth it.
Would the Giants do that, I wonder?
Only as a temp loan with full rights for Giants next year.
We’ll have Alex Verdugo thank you very much! He can play CF and he can really hit.
The truth is that blisters aside, Cueto is exactly the kind of pitcher the Dodgers should get for the coming years–experienced, can be an innings-eater, has postseason experience, right-handed. And they can afford him if he opts in or signs back. He’s ace-level insurance against Kershaw having recurring back problems or opting out after 2018. He’d give younger guys like Buehler and Urias the chance to come along slowly.
All of those are the same reasons the Giants should keep him, if they can.
Didn’t he say he wants to go to the AL?
I say no, but if the Dodgers jump on somebody, Shark or Cueto could suddenly be in demand by Astros or others with limited supply of big time starters.
The Astros would be another example of a team that could afford to wait for Cueto to get healthy for October. They have a yuuuuuuuuge lead.
Highly doubtful
There could be quite an arms race for Darvish and Gray in particular. The Cubs were smart to jump in early and grab Quintana. Verlander–errggghhh, that contract is a tough pill to swallow, but back in the day, he was a tremendous postseason pitcher…well, except for that one time…
Pablo’s apology would have been slightly more sincere if it was before he resigned with the Giants.
I know it’s not a huge deal, but it bugs me that he sold that 2014 ball–at least I assume that’s what happened, which is why he wouldn’t answer the question or offer it back. The guy had a $95 million contract and didn’t need the money. That ball had sentimental value to the organization and to Bumgarner. It was very small of Pablo to just sell it off.
I’ve thought about that too. I think it was a final act of immature anger at los Gigantes.
Didn’t he also get outed for walking out of the Giants hospitality suite with handsful of mini-bar bottles? Thought I read that, and thought same as Lefty and paul.
Unreal.
The other time bomb with Sandoval is that he may have a party problem.
It was his ball. He could have thrown into the Pacific for all I care. Time to move on.
Just to get back to Triples alley and Crawfords comment. I am of the belief that a Triple is one of the most exiting plays in baseball. The problem is that hits into triples alley are generally uncontested triples. There is usually no play or the guy goes in standing up. That makes for a boring triple.
What I see as problems with Crawfords comments is that it suggests the Giants are driving the ball deep into triples alley. If that were the case, they would be leading the league in triples. They are not. They are 7th in the NL with 18 triples. They are 10 triples behind small park team like Cincinati.
In fact if you look at the Giants splits, they have as many triples on the road as they do at home. Driving the ball to deep right center is not int the Giants repertoire. They have been a gap to gap line drive hitting team with mostly warning track power.
What they need are some dead pull hitters.
Triples are good. So are safety and suicide squeezes. Honestly, the solo home run is one of the most boring ways to score a run there is.
I really liked the one Bob had in the play-offs though. Pitt?
No, wait. The one in the 18th.
That was Nats, right, Pitt was Craw?
Yes. And the famous Span/Marichal game was a HR, no? But today there’s an awful lot of homers that don’t seem too memorable. Triples have a rarity cachet, and the batter has to show some running skillz.
Kuiper would like a word
Yup. That solo HR is one we’ll never forget.
I don’t know why folks are gnashing their teeth over Crawford making a rather innocent comment about the dimension she of AT&T. Most left handed hitter not named Bonds would feel that way…
What did he say?
I read below he answered a question from a kid about AT&T dimensions, and he was open to that idea.
To bringing in the fences for triples alley? Interesting that this is becoming a topic 17 years later when I’ve been screaming from the mountain top all by myself since it opened to bring in triples alley. A ball being hit 415+ feet to right center field and getting caught is complete bull$shit for any player, visitor or home team. It’s a stupid gimmic that is time to finally end.
Atta babe
Gimmick? I thought it was a querk.
If, somehow, the Dodgers made a trade with the Giants, along with Alex Verdugo, I’d then demand the very scouts that continue to keep their pipeline filled with young stud batsmen. Yes, we want your scouts!
Boom.
It’s not their scouts so much as the data and analytics the scouts are giving to make a judgement with along with their experience and insight.
Smartest thing you ever typed (most of it is utter nonsense)
You’re not bright enough to make sense of most material. Your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills are definitely sub-UCLA standards.
dude go bale some hay or whatever you do.
Goodbye, Shit-for-brains.
can’t hear you numnuts
Happy Birthday to BLB25. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/59cbd7bdda19ab020abd7aaec73642cebf41837f822f17521f92a339dc97c662.jpg
FYI, River Cats playing a day game in Tacoma and already underway. Beede on the bump.
Either he starts every other game or time flies when having fun.
Oops. He apparently was a very late scratch. Even the Tacoma announcers on MiLB.TV didn’t know until not-Beede came out to warm up before the bottom of the first.
I think that should be Gillaspie’s new nickname – Late Scratcher
Another player who perhaps told Mayor Lee and Larry Baer to go bite their own bottom lip(s) because Conor always has a pinch between his lip and gum.
Maybe early itcher instead?
Trade?!
Groin strain, according to Alex P.
that would most likely be a colossal f up that even this front office wouldn’t make.
Sandoval starting?
I think he gets there tomorrow. River Cats are still on the road.
Soon KRON and KNBR’s Gary Radunich – now goes by Radnich – Radio personality and sports anchor – will have to choose between the two venues. This piece in ‘415Rich’ reminded me that one of his co-workers prior suffering a massive heart attack while having hip replacement surgery at Stanford – always tolerated Raddy’s shtick but never endorsed it.
Gary is still one of our beloved TO’s favorite person’s because TO says Raddy has ‘manned-up’ throughout his arduous career in the Bay.
http://richliebermanreport.blogspot.com/2017/07/pete-wilson-didnt-take-crap-radnich-put.html
http://www.thatsgoodknowledge.com/radnich.html https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/54da1eef0f84aa6f2e416522a751a5061930115b65e34f1f185a43438e7152d8.jpg
I left the Bay Area a year ago and I do not miss Radnich’s constant goofballing. The pace of his shows was too manic for me. I’m a Tom Tolbert guy all the way.
Liked Tom better when he was Mr. T to The Razor. He’s an Angels fan anyway.
Yeah that combo of Tom and Ralph was tops. I miss it.
Angels fly because they take themselves lightly.
You have that in common
Soooner or later, his schtick just makes you tired.
Mania is fatiguing to the people around the manic.
On road trips while doing nothing for Boston – Pablo kept playing this over and over again. (Note Footy can play like Jeff Beck / word)
Van Morrison,Tom Jones & Jeff Beck, Bring it on Home to Me. (Plus Tom Jones has always manned-up so TO approves)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97MZWlkLpHw
Thank you, Coach.
Pitchers are learning to combat the HR surge of the last couple of seasons. They seem to be tending back to pitch up in the zone, and use the 4 seam FB. But they haven’t as a group really adapted to the kind of modern, non public scouting data that can inform them on a player by player basis. Pitchers, as a group, are knuckleheads, and only seem to learn the hard way.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pitchers-are-slowly-adapting-to-the-home-run-spike/
It’s actually the hitters who are the knuckleheads.
Not really, IMO. They’ve jumped on the back of a fad that only succeeds if out of hardheadedness pitchers don’t adapt. LOL. The balls in the pitchers court now. What makes it interesting and confounding for pitchers, if the ball’s seam is lower, and breaking pitches have indeed lost their ‘snap’, stuff starts to count for less and less, and control becomes the dominate issue. That’s going to handicap many of these down in the zone, throw it by you FB pitchers. I think it’s now better to wait on the offspeed stuff that’s coming and look for mistakes, than take on the FB. To some degree, that’s one of the smart adjustments Duvall or his coaches have realized. His favorite pitches are offspeed or mistakes (which may be a truism I realize), but you throw him a low grade breaking ball or changeup, he gets wood on it more time than not.
Coming from a pitchers’ point of view, I can’t accept that. Or at least, take the majority of the “credit”. They can lower the mound, make the strike zone microscopic, create retro hitter friendly ballparks all they want (ok, I’ll give you Coors Field), add the DH – whatever they want to do to offensively spice up the game. And not to mention playing around with the ball. But guess what? Tinker as they may, the pitchers always catch up – until the next offensively starved period. This is just another lull for pitchers. Over 140 years of baseball, pitchers reign supreme. Always have, always will.
2013 – Mikey Morse showing everyone how to start over and take a swing without his bat and re-run the bases as his formerly called Single was changed correctly to a Grand Slam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiN9K7lMOd4
The phantom grand slam. Made me smile, might be the Nats but it is Mikey Mo. Hope he gets well to live the great life he deserves.
This is pretty good, by my guy, Bob:
“…to be on the cover of Baseball America with the best farm system, or on the cover of Sports Illustrated celebrating a World Series championship?” – that is the question!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2017/07/24/mlb-trade-deadline-dodgers-yu-darvish-astros-sonny-gray/504302001/
Beede scratch fever…
https://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/889571924870742016
Kerr on the WH:
On the possibility of a White House visit, which NBA commissioner Adam Silver believes champions should make — “We haven’t had any discussion about it. So we’ll just see if the invitation comes. And we won’t hold our breath.”
http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/steve-kerr-multiple-reasons-warriors-will-be-even-better-2017-18
Will The Kremlin send an invitation?
hahahaha!
Heard about this on radio this a.m., you guys hear this report about June incident with David Price and The Eck?
Whoa.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/redsox/2017/07/24/david-price-dennis-eckersley-incident-what-happened-red-sox-flight/504634001/
https://twitter.com/iamjoonlee/status/889311408609013762
Seems like a bit of an overreaction.
And for a long time, the game WAS easy for Eck.
Brian Kenney on High Heat today for Russo, went into deep detail about the entire incident. Apparently not the first time Price “snapped” at media criticizing his ability, or that of a teammate. The big “whaaa?” for me was when Price said (about Eckersley) “what has he ever done?” Child, please.
One might mention to Price (not really) Price as accrued ~38 WAR during his career, Eckersly ~62. Maybe Mr. Price could just fold, and apologize, if he’s as bad a card player as he is student of baseball.
The GD Greek said – “without even trying”… Ty Blach would disagree most likely as he showed a real disdain towards himself after the Blash double.
http://m.mlb.com/video/v1641231983/sdsf-blash-hammers-a-tworun-double-off-the-wall/?game_pk=491572&partnerId=ed-11735237-55341579#
It was meant to be a sarcastic headline: “How to Succeed in Advertising…” I am reaching my limit of funny titles for the recaps of these losses.. Forgive me.
There’s nothing to forgive, GG.
I have never hurt my groin while warming up for the main event. Beede’s gonna lose his man card.
What about sleeping on your eye and going on the DL like Chris Brown did back in 1985?
Every week that passes I have the feeling the Giants F’d up another draft pick with Beede.
We can only hope it’s fake. That injury stops you dead in your tracks.
The 38-62 at 100 games record is the worst for the franchise since 1956, meaning the worst in the 60-year history of the SF Giants. Think about that for a minute. That 1985 team, that I have constantly labeled “the worst SF Giants team ever” was 39-61.
I will constantly be here tilting at windmills as I beg our boys to not finish last, or lacking that–please don’t lose 100 games. That 1985 team is the only team in franchise history to do that, and we don’t need another one.
Is there any chance of going 34-28, and finishing 72-90? That would *probably* keep us out of last place. No, I don’t think so either. But we can hope.
I expect a revised 2017 marketing campaign to debute any day now:
“SF Giants baseball… Whatever It Takes To Avoid 100!”
But why in the world would you want that?
Why don’t you go research the difference between players drafted in the 1-5 slots and guys in the 10-15 slots? Then tell us why losing 90 games is so much more desirable?
total – you are the TOTAL Giants fan. You never stop believing. :o)
When Omar came here back in the day – many thought NO WAY in the infield. Tee Hee http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/6479266/v7138473/omar-vizquel-defensive-reel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z__S4q7Gx-U
For Effie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkD44HbSqoQ
The Mets broke Zack again. 🙁
https://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/889581027697369088
Brisbee:
“The high-water mark for minor-league plate appearances for a veteran acquired after they were released is 18, and Sandoval might blow past that over the next week. Just be completely aware that he’s coming up, and there isn’t a darned thing you can do about it. And I will say that before the Giants signed him, I was convinced that he’d suffered through two completely miserable, full seasons. But only his 2015 was close to a full season. His last two have been completely injury marred.
Which means that 2015 season might have been a blip, a sample-size gremlin, and he’s been unable to stay on the field long enough to prove himself since then.
Unless he’s just bad now.
We’ll get to find out for ourselves over the next two months, that’s for sure. Eduardo Nuñez will be traded soon, and taking his place will be an old friend. This season just keeps going on, doesn’t it?”
https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/7/24/16021550/pablo-sandoval-giants-reunion
For the life of me I’ll never understand the idea of trading a .305 hitter in the prime of his career. Regardless of the Pablo drama, Nunez should stay.
It’s a bit more nuanced than that: he’s a free agent, and will be signing somewhere this off season. If he has indicated he wants to sign here, nod the team wants to sign him, then he will be traded as a rental to a contender with a need, and bring something back…
The problem is that anyone who would take Nunez’ place at 3rd (Hwang, Jones, Gillaspie) is going to be a huge drop off in talent. At some point the organization needs to acknowledge that we’re many years away from having sufficient MiLB talent such that we can get rid of proven MLB talent like Nunez.
You missed my point: he may well come right back next season…he’s a free agent…so, IF he and the Giants have a gentleman agreement to reunite, why not trade him?
I’ll ask you the same question I asked Efrain i.e., who do you have in mind as our everyday 3B player?
The Panda of course!!
I’m fine with Nunez until Arroyo gets healthy and tries to prove he can be. But, for this year, it doesn’t matter….
At least Arroyo is really young unlike the 30-ish Hwang and Gillespie. Ryder Jones is young, too, but the totality of his minors career doesn’t scream potential as much as Arroyo’s. Why do they ALL flame out when we bring them up?
…for the same reason that Panik and Duffy succeeded? Success breeds success…failure breeds failure. It’s an ugly year
Oh it’s an ugly year alright. However, you’d think that a youth injection would lead to a little more vivacity in their play. Instead, virtually all the kids come up and mimic the failures of the veterans. Weird.
And If Nuñez does go, Hwang needs to be the every day guy at third so he can be fully developed by next season. Or, if this is just a PR move to fill seats, then expect the recovery process to take longer.
Not as simple as that. He’s a guy over 30 that may want more $ and get more respect elsewhere and frankly a valuable trade asset.
And really on this team that needs a lot of holes to fill, is Nunez part of both the immediate and long term plans.
The answer is no.
Who do you have in mind as our everyday 3B?
on a 100 loss team does it matter?
NO
they can fill in with Gomez, Gillaspie, Pablo, etc.
Most of the hypocrites on this blog never like Nunez anyways, and NOW that he leads the team in hitting, they are riding his nuts.
Which is it? They like him or not?
Nunez is the same player he has always been, mercurial, oft injured, frustrating at times but a good super sub you should never rely on.
He can’t be any more frustrating than the FOUR “phenoms” we’ve brought up at various points of this year to play 3B … ALL of whom have flamed out.
yet, on a 100 loss team NO ONE CARES.
The Giants are capable of losing 100+ games and I’m so worried that’s going to happen. And it’s not because of lack of talent but the amount of, well, lack there of, energy. There are bits and pieces of good baseball at times, but mostly on display is just the act of going thru the motions. It’s scary to think of the competitive workings it’s going to take to get back on track. One thing I saw in SD that was clear is the hunger and desire that team plays with. I truly believe we’ve gone soft and the desire to fight isn’t there. For whatever reason, our record is abominable. San Diego is quietly getting better and if we’re gonna get past them, we’re gonna need to get pas AZ, Colorado and LA. This rebuild, re-tool, whatever is not going to be easy. And the Giants are burdened with useless contracts. First and foremost, no 100 loss season. But if we continue to lose, let’s lose with the guys that need playing time to get better by next season.
https://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2017/06/baseball-s-power-surge
Sometimes I wonder how well pitchers adapt, if at all, to the slightest change of a baseball.
Excellent review!
I don’t think most ball players are smart enough to understand the issues involved. The guys at Fangraphs and 538 who really figured this out looked at somewhere north of 30,000 data point to get a handle on it. There’s a good/interesting you tube about 3 minutes long on making a baseball I posted with an article a few days ago. It’s pretty primative, no it’s outrageously primitive. Each seam is, for instance, hand raised by a guy with a needle used to do so.
Hmmm…I happen to think there are many ballplayers cerebral enough to figure it out.
I think the players obsess over the tools of their trade: ball, glove, bat, pine tar, and so on. Pence used to name each of his bats, for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXS9dfzUbxw
This is quite interesting to watch!
that was great. thx CC. this 3 minute film should not be missed, TWG’ers…
New Post: http://fe0.84e.myftpupload.com/2017-season/game-101-preview-the-giants-try-to-avoid-losing-100-games/
The Guardian:
“It’s hard to be precise. It took me a while to realise how right Ian McShane was when he described Game of Thrones as “only tits and dragons”, by which he meant, surely, formulaic hokum that degrades its viewers by commodifying women’s bodies, making entertainment out of sexual torture and pimping up its spectacles.”
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jul/24/when-good-tv-goes-bad-game-of-thrones
No wonder they hung McShane after just one episode.
Yeah. Isn’t it great?
“Might the Giants somehow move the fences in?
“It ain’t gonna happen … that’s just not gonna happen,” Mike Krukow said on KNBR 680 on Monday morning.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/brandon-crawford-giants-should-change-right-center-field-wall
In fact – it’s physically impossible, without ruining the design of the stadium.