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Greek Giant
Giants (26-45) Vs Braves (31-37) at Henry Aaron Stadium, 7: 35 PM
Johnny Cueto (5-6, 4.57) Vs R.A. Dickey (4-5, 5.35)
The Giants will play the Braves tonight (weather permitting) for the first time in a shine new suburban stadium in Atlanta. The move from Olympic Stadium in downtown Atlanta is fraught with racism, greed, and white paranoia, the reluctance to develop an African American neighborhood, not to mention many other factors you can read about here, here, and here.
As someone who has been to a game in Turner Field I can tell you from firsthand experience it was a delightful park and part of the soul of the city of Atlanta. The new park is located in Cobb County conveniently far enough away from the spectre of “urban decay” and in close proximity to all the highways leading to and from suburban wealth. The Braves never got the memo about urban redevelopment and how baseball parks are a key part of it.
Five Questions
- Which Johnny Cueto will show up tonight?
- Will the rains prevent a game from being played?
- Should Melancon be shelved on the DL or simply benched for a spell?
- Did anyone think that at 71 games into the season the Braves would have a better record than the Giants?
- Who leads the Giants in slugging percentage with a whopping 1.143 mark this season?
The Line Ups
Giants
Span CF
Nunez 3B
Crawford SS
Posey C
Pence RF
Panik 2B
Belt 1B
Hernandez LF
Cueto P
Braves
Inciarte CF
Phillips 2B
Markakis RF
Kemp LF
Adams 1B
Flowers C
Swanson SS
Camargo 3B
Dickey P
Breckeroni says let’s start a winning streak!
1) Cueto gives us a quality start at the very least. Should be enough vs. Dickey.
2) I’ll say no, but there will be delays. It’s our only trip to Atlanta, so they’ll try hard to get in all four games.
3) YES! DL until the ASB. Rest, therapy, clear his head, and we get a look at Crick.
4) Umm, NO!
5) ???
5- You are not thinking if you don’t know that.
Senior moment. Sounds like that means it’s MyGuy Belt.
Try again- he’s on the DL
MadBum!!
Dadgum, you are right.
Trick question. 😊
Also, I read it as OPS. My bad.
A blast from the past. March 2014
Those who were deleted were infamously named Runnnnnitttt and Samhatesbelt.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/giants/2014/03/26/spring-notes-affeldt-injury-shakes-up-pen-race-plus-a-500-foot-bomb-the-injured-dodger-and-the-bochestache/
Ugh, bad memories, buddy.
With greatness – always there is the bottom….
True that. I remember a small group of “us”–you, Lefty, Matthew and me–always tweeting Alex to “take out the trash”.
That person, and MLBSF, looked like they might destroy the blog, at least to me. Alex was a good blog leader, and did a huge service by getting them to go away.
He worked it a lot better than Baggs, who basically ignored our requests for troll help.
MiLBSF…I just got sick to my stomach.
Counterpoint to GG comments re the Braves decamp to Atlanta: there was nothing to do around Turner Field, and yeah–the neighborhood is a bit sketchy. They built a very nice restaurant/shopping area behind the stadium that is open even when the Braves are on the road.
Cobb County threw a lot of money at them, and this brings them closer to a thriving development/traveling baseball program in East Cobb.
So far nothing but rave reviews on the park, from those I know who have attended games.
Breckeroni is excited that Vogelstrong is at the new park.
I don’t understand why management would sign a 32-year-old, pitch-to-contact reliever to a 4-year $62M contract? His top gas is 93. Their veteran love stood them in such good stead in 2012 and 2014 but it has plum disappeared since.
You looked at his last three years results, right? There were three high profile closers available via free agency, and for many reasons Melancon was the best choice for us. Everyone except Colorado missed on Holland, so can’t fault us there. I don’t remember a lot of contrarian posts when we signed him, but just goes to show, you never know.
I most certainly did look at his results. Call it a baseball bias but I like relievers who are young and full of gas. I love pitch-to-contact starters of yore like Krukow but in the relief corps I like strikeout pitchers. It’s just my bias and I don’t claim it as the gospel truth.
That’s cool. Just saying it was Chapman, Jansen and Melancon, and we had little if any shot at the first two.
I’ll probably get stoned to death by the blog for saying this, but I’m still in his corner and I think he’ll turn this around.
If we just think he’s got an arm muscle problem at the moment, we can think he’ll snap out of it. It would help this theory seem truer if he was put on the DL again.
I was always against his signing. The guys made available by their teams the last free years were all better, champnan, kimbrel, Miller. Alll better by a mile.
1. Quality start; 7 innings two ER
2. No but may be delays.
3. DL, call up Crick, closer by committee
4. Not in a bad dream, I thought Giants would be contenders in 2017
5. Bumgarner?
I see Strickland’s appeal was turned down and he strarts his 6 game suspension today. Thanks meathead. Hope he has to fly home commercial, in steerage like the rest of us.
I’ve got a real case of ‘who really cares’.
I hope that flight is actually to some other team. “meathead” indeed.
He lives near Atlanta
Native of Thomaston, GA, small farming/textile mill town appx 75 miles south of Atlanta.
I met one of his high school buds in a Lids store (all things sports hats) a couple years ago. This fellow said that Hunter was the nicest and most gentle guy he knew. Everybody loved him.
Six games with a 24-man roster, and most likely an eight-man bullpen and three-man bench. Swell.
He’s marching home through the woods of Georgia in camo, carrying his bow and arrows to shoot and eat critters along the way
118 a new record today!
Where?
Phoenix.
I read an article recently that speculated that the Phoenix area may be essentially uninhabitable in the next 20-30 years.
Isn’t that pretty much true already. My only visit there was in October, and it was insufferable.
I can’t wait to play golf tomorrow. Go out about 9:30 and be done by about 11:30.
Wear a hat, and buy a couple of these. They really work.
https://www.amazon.com/COOLING-TOWEL-Advanced-Hyper-Absorbent-Effective/dp/B00EE79EZM
I definitely wear a hat but since I can play as a single, since it’s a little warm out, I’m probably only in the sun for about an half hour or so.
Yep.
Yeah, all that climate change stuff is BS, right? Seems Truth to me, based on what I see and feel.
Maybe they take several 100 square miles and convert it to solar collection. Somewhere there is an old Los Alamos/Sandia study that suggests some where around 500-1000 sq. miles of collectors could supply the entirety of power needs for the US. Of course storage and transmission become the issue to be resolved.
Tesla had some ideas about transmission solutions.
There is an interesting series of engineering designs where you float the solar cells on a refillable reservoir that pumps full of water during day, and generates hydroelectric when it empties at night. Used in Europe now.
https://thinkprogress.org/the-inside-story-of-the-worlds-biggest-battery-and-the-future-of-renewable-energy-8984e81283c
https://assets.rbl.ms/9681239/980x.jpg
Maybe it’s time to put some PVs into geo-stationary orbit.
PV=photovoltaic?
My state plateaued at about 35% of electricity from wind, so this year they did the regulatory stuff to add a transmission line from the windy corner to the more populated corner – we’re now headed north of 50%.
I think there’s a lot of “simple” things, like focusing light with mirrors onto sodium containing pipes, using molten sodium to make steam (and a little bit as energy storage, at least until it freezes out). Transmission lines will follow fairly easily, me thinks, from whereever the power is generated.
Storage is a problem: I like the pumping water uphill idea for later hydro, it is “keep it simple, stupid” stuff. Which always works for me. More batteries and better batteries, sil vous plait.
Have you seen the battery manufacturing plant (being) built by Musk?
I’ve read about that in the past. Don’t remember many details.
Found this article yesterday. I don’t know if you can see it, as the magazine has a paywall of some kind. The article is about lithium prices doubling in the last year, and efforts to increase production in the desert areas of South America. Probably no reason to read it, except to realize the scale at which batteries of known types are now being manufactured.
http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21723451-three-south-american-countries-have-much-worlds-lithium-they-take-very-different
http://fortune.com/inside-elon-musks-billion-dollar-gigafactory/
I liked the “Wait But Why” articles best, but this gives one picture of the idea.
$1,400,000,000.00 will get it started.
t/y.
I want one of those spiral wind mills for the property some day. As soon as the “bearing” technology is ready for “weightless” fans.
Rainout might not be a bad thing after yesterday’s calamity.
Braves announcers are saying first pitch appx 8:00 local time, 5:00 PDT.
I’m feeling a tad masochistic even wanting to watch this game. Boys are an adrenaline pumping 4-14 since Strick went rogue.
Well, he’s gone today and the next 5.
Finally?
Losing Strickland is small potatoes compared to the 24-man roster issue. We have to pare back to seven-man bullpen and four bench players. Please, Boch…
At least one poster would say, keep up the good work.
In all fairness Harper had some input into the incident as well.
What the incident 3 years ago? Lame excuse
Starting time now delayed to 8:15 (5:15).
#Sad.
Roman Reigns takes on Somoa Joe tonight in a Texas ladder match.
That grass is really green.
Get him early and often before he gets his grip.
What have we learned about sliding head first?!?!
Nuney! No divey! Hammy!
That Hosmer is out when he does and Nunez is safe when he does!
Greek, on #3… he most certainly should not be “benched”. If he’s injured, then put him on the DL. If he’s not injured, he pitches. He blew another save. Understood.
No one will agree with me, but other than the pitch to Arenado, he hit his spots and gave up bleeders and a routine fly ball that got spanned.
He pitches
It must say something about his availability that Melancon is one of the 24-man roster.
Span should have caught that ball. Krukow said as much this morning. Mac wanted him to crap on Pence’s defense, and Kruk rapidly broadened the discussion to Span.
That was unbelievable…watching unfold was so frustrating. I got in trouble for yelling ” what the fuck?!” at Beauty’s aunts house.
Buster looks so much better clean shaven. That neck beard thing…no bueno.
This offense makes me vomit on a daily basis.
First and third, no outs, top of first, 3-4-5 hitters go three up/three down. Weakly. Another brick in the wall of this disastrous season.
Johnny needs to pitch well so we get a good trade for him.
Can JC kibosh a trade if he doesn’t like where he’s headed?
No, but he gets an extra $500,000 if he’s traded, so he’s got the moving expenses covered.
Sparky’s good luck charm is in the booth. I say he gets on a tear…
That’s right–Javi doing the analysis here in Atlanta, his hometown. Gonna miss him hearing him work!
There are rally’s, and then there are anti-rally’s.
Um what
Back foot is on.
Nice to have the replay review happening not in front of fans who keep mugging for the camera
He’s safe.
That is atrocious…what possibly are they looking at??
The lint in their belly buttons. “It’s out!”
I hate baseball….I hate cheaters. I hate league incompetence. He was safe.
Have a worm.
They weren’t going to shore anyway. So it doesn’t matter.
Why even have replay? I cant imagine that could be any more clear.
His knee stayed in the bag. Horrible call.
New York must be so incredibly incompetent, and so motivated to find a way to cover their buddies ass that it’s become a worthless exercise. There is literally no possible way they can make that call
If there was any doubt the ump should have called him safe, and let the Braves appeal. They wouldn’t have.
That’s two consecutive strong ABs for Sparky. Maybe he’s turning it around. Streaky, so…time for a hot streak.
Wow! Braves announcers talking about how crappy the Giants left fielders have been. Shocking!!
It’s well known throughout the league. Other teams announcers doing same thing.
Hey! Our new left fielder is hitting about .400. Old news
Won’t take long for Chip ‘n Dale (Braves TV) to throw the “12 LFs so far this year” schtick.
Maybe the Least Valuable Carey can shut up
Not likely.
You mean the one Bochy benched tonight?
I honestly don’t blame him…knuckeballers can screw up a kids swing for weeks
You never blame him, Buster, and, and, so on .
Yeah, Matthew. You don’t pick on the cool kids!
You guys are absurd. Pay attention to what people say, and quit overstating.
It’s not Socrates fault.
This game was lost in the 1st inning, Giants had runners on 1st and 3rd with no outs, Crawford popped out , Posey struck out, Giants did not score, Dickey found his grove ball game. No comment by you at all .
Unrelated Post Of The Day!
When was the last time you blamed him for something?
Two games ago, I think…but, as usual, you ignore those comments because they don’t fit your target practice
What did you blame him for, being the greatest gosh darned guy who ever lived?
Nope, you don’t incite. You’re just a regular nice guy!
Go pull a CU and check out my posts because I get tired of having to defend myself against a liar like you, TO.
Yup. Name called. Because you lie. So be it. You’re better than us because you’re so calm and don’t let anything bother you (besides Bochy and Posey and Curry).
What lie did I tell? I asked a couple of questions.
Sure, that’s the reason.
Giants have no speed and no power. Double negatives.
They didn’t call Adams safe?! I guess they’re improving
Vogey’s looking good
Is Vogey doing TV? clue me in.
He’s just hanging out, sitting next to Javi.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVia28YjszG/?taken-by=jonmillersfgiants&hl=en
Thanks, peachy.
Oh, and I hate has-been knuckleballers and their amateur effing pitches, too.
Yeah, return that Cy Young. Do it now!
He did the very next season in his results.
LOL. That’s what’s called a deflection in the business.
I hate knuckleballers.
See, even Javy agrees. If Buster doesn’t swing, not a strike.
Most managers feel that knuckleballers are always a lot closer to disaster than “normal” pitchers. You probably already know what Bob Uecker said about catching them. Personally, I delight in watching big sluggers whiffing at that slow pitch. It’s the slap hitters that usually get to the knucklers, not the brawn.
Shoulda been out at home. Bad D by Buster.
Short hops are tough, brother.
I know, but your guy BCraw made a great throw. Perfect relay play.
i thought the throw was up the line a bit..
Yeah….maybe.
So we leave s run on the bases in the first inning. Now we’re down a run in the fourth against this knuckleball stuff. Braves announcers pre-game talking about Dickey’s recent struggles. Here we come to help him get well. Ugh.
I’m calling 7-1 Braves.
No, bro–I just “partook” and cracked a cold one. Can’t he see over early!
Down and in to a power lefty hitter, drops the head, tape measure bridge piece.
The only way to gain ground on the Phillies might be to lose a game on a day when they’re not playing.
Effin Giants hitters better figure it out and make the adjustments on the knuckler. You can continue to get embarrassed, or you can choke up, scoot up a step in the box, go punch and judy hitting, and make some stuff happen. I’m sure the hitters know this, and they’re not really taking their fastball hitting approach to the plate. It would be absolutely stupid to do so. All you get is out on the front foot pop ups and lazy fly balls.
Last game vs Dickey, after a wild start he retired like 15 in a row, looks like the same tonight, they blew it in the 1st, and got ripped off in the 2nd, now Dickey is dealing .
True that.
This ump is really bad
did you hear buster leading off the 4th, i think it was, say “no way, no way!! on an inside pitch that was called a strike? i never heard him so demonstrative.
Yep, heard it on Braves feed as well. They commented on it.
Unstoppable. Futility is unstoppable today.
Today?
There’s a lady in a red shirt who is ready to sing for you. Ok, lip sync.
I wrote a email to NSBA tv asking them to pull that commercial because I thought it was inappropriate to air during Giants games when they are losing, which has been often. Got the automated generic thank you for your comment reply. Apparently they are still airing the commercial.
There is a 2nd one, so we only get it 3 times a game.
Braves announcers said that 118 Dominican players have played MLB this year. This rookie umpire is the first Dominican ump ever, I’m pretty sure. Pretty cool.
What’s not cool: he’s in a good rhythm with Dickey. Six pitch inning not making him work.
If you call everything a strike…I doubt the Braves feed showed the strike 1 to Gorkys that was 6″ outside, or the one to Posey when he barked ” no way”
No, there’s no strike zone imprint. Hate that.
On the radio, they have the Round Table Grand Slam inning. If the Giants hit a GS in the 5th inning, someone wins $5,000. The odds of this happening are very small. If someone hits a HR, the contestant wins 4 large pizzas. If neither happens, the person whose name was called gets 1 large pizza. That all seems incredibly cheap.
It is, in the 70s they gave away a Car, the Mike Ivie Grand Slam won a Car for somebody .
Yeah, I thought I remembered that.
1 large pizza from a national fast food pizza bucket can be incredibly cheap and gross.
This is my first opportunity to hear Javy. He’s good. Am particularly enjoying him with Jon.
you’re right, he does seem to mesh better with miller. i hope they didn’t give up on affeldt. i found him very funny.
Practice, practice, practice.
As they are both fathers of young kids, I expect they will be willing to job share for awhile. I like Affeldt, too.
Giants defense this year has been awful too.
FIRE EVERYONE
Weak AB from Span. And another from Nunez. Yeah–shorten up and hit the ball hard someplace. Damn!
Two innings, 14 pitches. We suck.
Pretty incredible window into Kevin Durant that he’s gifting $4million back to the Warriors so they have a better shot at Iguodala. I don’t care how much money he will make, that’s still $4 million he won’t have, and that was already his.
A fine young man. Polite, humble, and respectful. My guy since Day One.
his mom did a hell of a job….#kudos mamaD
The Warriors are very fortunate to have Durant.
So cool to be a Warrior fan now. The team is better than on could imagine.
Good players. Good leadership.
(OKC Thunder fan crying in the corner…)
Might be difficult (I have never changed favorite teams but my love for the 49ers has died and no longer pay any attention, can’t name a player) but you are part way to being a Warrior fan and most welcome too.
What? A Bay Area team with good leadership?
Pretty amazing.
Damn, that looked like an outfielder.
MyGuy! Wish he had been in CF in the 9th yesterday
WORD.
Atta babe Gorkys.
Attababe Gorkys! Matthew’s guy!
wow! that’s pickin’ em up and puttin’ em down. the gorkster
Come on, get on the board, dammit. Have some pride. So tired of this sheet.
Hunter swinging out of his shoes instead of shorten up and put it in play. Hello!?
You can only get kicked to the curb and then get urinated on for so long before you say enough is enough. One of these days they’ll decide to do something about it.
This is classic “go through the motions” stuff. On any other team the manager would be on the hot seat. Not us.
I hate when players go thru the motions. It’s a symptom in one sense, no damn excuse for it in another.
It’s early.
6 outs left, bottom of the order coming up !
Management 101…no matter how good or talented a person might be, their message can become stale if they stay in the same position for too long.
I agree. Compounded by the fact that there has not been a contrary voice in the room. Bochy’s guys always going with what Bochy says, IMHO.
Boch needs to send this games strikes and balls to the leagues office so they can get a good look at this. Nothing more. Just send them the tape.
Rookie umpire, first Dominican ump. Maybe he’s nervous. Maybe crew chief comes in and talks to him. Haven’t seen that.
My guess is the whole knuckleball thing. It just figures we would be on the wrong end
Yeah, there’s that.
One good AB, Belt = BABIP.
This is ridiculous. Or maybe….this is last place.
They’re taking down Dickey? 86 pitches? Take advantage!
Or not. Kelby gets on, three straight weak ABs.
Once they got started, quick moving game. Just now at two hours.
Only 3 hits by the Giants does that .
Give Cueto credit too, Peter. Only five hits. Low scoring and fast moving games don’t suit us this year.
MyGuy Bochy with the great PH call!
Wow! This place is dead tonight! Where is everyone?
Giants not showing up lately, makes sense others wouldn’t
Just put on your blog goggles and go home with who’s left at the end
haha!
TWG crisis center will be in full operational mode after the game.
Giants have gone boring just us dead enders left.
Oregon State vs LSU tonight at 8. Ought to be a game of good honest baseball. Effort on every pitch and play.
Cal State Fullerton LHP John Gavin, Giants 8th pick, pitched 3.1 innings, 1ER, 1K, 4BB. Did not get the loss.
Sounds perfect.
13-1 Oregon State in the 8th.
OSU was up 11-0 when I checked
Damn. That’s awesome. Wonder how I missed that. Just saw it scheduled at 8 on BSPN.
Need 4 more starts like this out of Cueto and he will be movable to a contender. Very solid in a hitter’s park.
Down 2-0, leadoff hit with speed, never moves off first, no hit-and-run attempt. 🙁
I answered blog questions that Cueto would go 7 innings and give up 2 ERA.
Dickey pitches his best game of the season.
Jim Johnson closing for Atlanta is an example of players trajectories changing constantly. I know certain (incredibly positive) folks on here are convinced all of the Giants core players are on a down slide forever…but not so fast. No doubt a bunch are having bad seasons, but no one knows what’s next.
Well, there’s also the second half of last season.
Like a potato chip on the floor with my dog….
Exactly.
Yeah too many people have been acting like players fall off a cliff. The decline is rarely so steep, and many have resurgences here and there. Relievers are rockier than most, just because every year is such a small sample of work. It’s easy to see them turn in a bad 40 innings, then turn around a season later and throw 40 good ones.
It’s true. That’s the art of this deal. When are they having a bad year vs. in decline?
It’s a continuation of the second half of last season, core players are getting older, big league roster is very thin and the minor league seems to be as well. This isn’t just a bad year.
Hey! Family Guy is there!! Almost got the foul ball
Y’all gonna yell at Pence for that overthrow?
I certainly will….Together They’re Dumb
Yep. Just like Span and Gorkys earlier this week. Going for the trifecta.
My point exactly…certain guys make dumb plays and the Blog burns down…other guys make the same play and it’s crickets
Hey, I was with you! Just a little late. 😉
Equal opportunity suckage
Who we trading tonight? What will Pence bring back?
Garbanzo beans
Giants tend to hang onto players beyond their prime. It gets in the way of development of the younger guys. I love Pence. His character and energy is rare. But his play and at bats just isn’t what it was.
I knew that was coming. Bullpen.
Why make a pitching change?
Are you kidding? Osich throwing meatballs.
So what about Law? They’re all throwing meatballs.
True that!
This rookie busted the Buster Strut?! Son, you don’t do that
NotMyGomer
You’re talking about Dansby? What did he do?
I’m talking about Derek Law.
OK. My bad. Who was the rookie Buster strut?
Ump called a ball on a high strike that hadn’t Buster leaving the field…”rookie” was the ump
Ah, got it. Reason I asked about Dansby: he’s the local version of Crawford. Hometown boy, acquired by trade but a perfect fit for the Braves. The ladies love him!
3 run deficit 5 run deficit who cares, the Giants are not hitting tonight anyways
Nats pen is a killer. That’s a limiting factor. Can the A’s be a partner?
Can the Giants?
This team would find a way to lose even if the game was handed to them.
The Giants are sending a forceful message to the Phillies to let them know they’re not going away.
Only 4 more months until hockey and basketball seasons.
How bad are the sharks going to be after the summer makeover?
Their GM is creative and actually has a good group of talented players to work with….and this is with a salary cap. Their regular season will be fine, but their post-season is another matter. He actually doesn’t sit on his hands. I don’t know what Bobby E’s excuse is.
Seriously you gave profs to Wilson? The guy was almost ran out of town 3 years ago
Yes but after that season that shall be forgotten, DW rebuilt the team with the signings and trades including Paul Martin, Joel Ward and Martin Jones and they went to the Stanley Cup Finals. In addition, they’ve been able to scout and sign solid draft picks recently and from Europe like Donskoi and Sorensen.
Giants will be 20 games under .500 and 20 games out of first with still 90 games to play.
I still love my Giants. Have a good night all.
Atta babe
law, as usual, pours gasoline on the fire..
Bobby E. thought the bullpen was fine and didn’t want to tinker with it, sans the Melancon signing.
Smartest move Sabean ever made. They told everyone that Sabean was still in charge, but people only want to look at Evans’ job title. Brilliant.
Geez I go to kitchen to check dinner and the Braves score 4 runs.
more like 6 or 7 now. lost track
The whole bullpen needs to be thrown in my pool!!
Pool party!
Putting out the fire with Gasoline…
“I asked for water, she brought me gasoline… ”
— Howlin’ Wolf
Law’s ERA is now 5.40.
I don’t think his arm is the same as when he was dealing.
Cards?
Maybe he should look ahead to his next career?
I don’t think he has been same since stint on DL last season
As I watch him pitch, his delivery is a complete mess…he whips his head all over, picks up his target late, and either misses by 3 feet or grooves with little in between. He seems to have “stuff”, but literally no idea.
But Law did have an idea, before he came up. Then the TJ and the new injury after he came up, now total loss of confidence. Lots of mechanical work on the side or a demotion would be best?
Agreed…he needs lots of work. Given this lost season, might as well do it up here…
That’s what i’ve been saying for months
And to think at one point during this game, I thought it had the makings of a 1-0 score. WTF
It’s the Giants: why would you think that?
The Giants can be blown out by anyone at anytime
he needs to be sent down for a while. try someone else for a few weeks
Let Belt pitch. At least we’ll get some grins.
Leave Law out there. Up to him to get the third out.
Everyone wants to be able to go home eventually.
It’s not a good thought to hang your pitcher out to dry. That was just me being sarcasticly pissed about our pitching.
why isn’t it? Life lessons time. He’s supposed to be a big leaguer
I mean honestly. Let’s just call it a game.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/260c34f9fc4ede09d2ce8e8a0987a2362159c571305e69bafc7642520cfddecc.jpg
Heh. My friend brought me a 6-pack of that recently, but I didn’t like it very much.
Belgians suck.
Bruce you finally had enough? When are you going to chew their arse out in public like a good ol Billy Martin rant.
So much for that quick moving game sheet I threw out there!
Meanwhile, the amazing Bellinger has hit two more tonight, giving him 21.
Shaw HR, Parker Double off top of wall, Williamson HR in Sacramento .
Nice. Bring em all up.
Sounds more interesting than Giants team at present.
To think they were about to trade him last year.
Thought his swing was way too long. Figured pitchers would just expose holes. I was wrong. Again.
This season has got a lot of thinking wrong. My two big wrongs, I thought Ty Blach was going to be the #5, and on paper the Giants were going to be pretty good coming out of ST.
That was incredibly fast to twenty. What’s the record?
Mach 2.44 Chuck Yeager
Your Stuff seems right, Gus.
You’re punny.
I believe he now holds it. He has 190 ABs.
Beat Sanchez from last year?
I looked it up. I think Sanchez beat him to 20, but Bellinger beat Sanchez to 21.
I mean the rookie record.
We love how Buster sometimes starts heading to the dugout before the ump calls an inning-ending strikeout. Well, on that HR, as soon as the ball was hit, he had his hand out to the ump to receive a new ball. LOL.
Could we maybe score ONE fucking run?
Apologies in advance.
TF!!?? I’M SHOCKED!!! lol
nope….
Por nada, tf.
I’ve said this earlier in the season. If you’re going to lose, lose with the guys that can help you next year. Like Arroyo, Ryder Jones, Slater, even Gorkys, who I think will get better. Look at others too, whoever that may be. But losing with Hill, Span, Pence and a couple others makes no sense. Panik and Crawford will be fine.
We should hire Vlade Divac as GM! I think his winning percentage might have been a little better than Bobby’s this year
OK, I had to check…
TO has rightly been watching the Race To Disgrace between the Giants and the Phillies.
Well, I have a parallel chase as well:
Sacramento Kings 32-50, .390
San Francisco Giants 26-46, .361
We are crushing them
For the first time this season, I free willingly refused to watch the Giants post game broadcast. It just hurts to see something you love go the route of the 1962 Mets.
I don’t like the new NBCSBA format, or the people on it, so I go to KNBR for pre- and postgame stuff.
I wish I could get KNBR.
I can only get it online via I Heart Radio!
Fire Bam-Bam. Fire Raggs. Fire Gardy. Fire Wote. Fire Boch. Fire Bobby. Fire Sabes. Fire Larry Baer. Fire Marty Lurie.
Yes!!!!
Fire Amy. Fire Mike. Fire Renel. Fire Ball Dudes. Fire Feldman. Fire P Conn. Fire Fitz and Brooks and Murph and Mac and Larry and Gary.
But start with Marty Lurie
You should fire yourself. I’ve resor
ted to watching the AAAs.
I quit. You can’t fire me
I fired you first
I’m hiring Surf Maui and suing.
You’re just mad that we got clobbered by a … gulp … KNUCKLEBALLER. ‘Fess up, dude.
You got a problem with that?! We lost to a 43 year old PE teacher that throws a waffle ball
Indeed we did!!
We are getting clobbered by everyone. Do you know what the point differential is? You can’t cheat
Do you want Ball? I can’t get a read on whether Luke wants him
Hell no. It doesn’t matter what Luke wants. Magic will make the call. I seriously hope that he doesn’t take him.
I hope he does. The Lakers won’t be relevant for at least another 10 years!!
Ball strikes me as a bloodless player. He’s so calm he seems sedated at every interview.
And that is good. However, I’m not convinced that he’ll be a good fit for the Lakers. Good ball handling, vision. Everything else is suspect. But that’s why I actually have to work for a living and not making millions of dolaars
I saw one mock that had Lonzo going fifth…to Sacramento. That’d be fun–just so we could watch LaVar’s head explode. I bet Pops would make him sit out a year!
Never will stop watching, regardless of how bad they are. 57 year-old joy–hard to stop.
Fire the fans, LOL.
So you’re keeping Duane? Atta babe.
Fire in the Hole!
Rob caught up with Strickland to share his thoughts on the suspension
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNGGbozilko
R.A. Dickey was masterful, Matthew. Do you still have complete contempt for knuckleballers? It’s only fair to notify you that one of my baseball heroes growing up was Hoyt Wilhelm. At any one time there are usually only a few knuckleballers in MLB. You gotta have steel nerves to throw that thing up there hoping it won’t flatten out.
Oh, I begrudgingly offer that they have talent…I mean, some make it in MLB. It’s more annoyance
You think YOU’RE annoyed. Imagine being a knuckleballer and having to pitch from a mound. They’d rather pitch from a foxhole. Anyone can throw it on flat ground but only a spare few can toss it off a hill.
Yup. gUilty as charged. I am the one annoyed
Score one for the buck! 🙂 Unfortunately, the hunter still had his gun, so I’m sure he still lost! 🙁
The French really adds some flair.
Together We’re Defiance. All I have after a game like this.
This is one of those times when you just have to tip your cap in deference to a masterful performance. Tonight, no one was at fault, especially not R.A. Dickey.
Tell me again what note I’m adding to the pentatonic to become myxilodian…
You mean mixolydian?
Yeah..can’t spell it…so let’s take A minor position 1… what do I add to 5-8, 5-7, 5-7, 5-7, 5-8, 5-8 ( I know my blues boxes and add the 3-5, 3-5 and then the 5-7-9, 8-10, 8-10)
You lost me but you gotta add 2 notes to the pentatonic to get mixolydian ’cause mixolydian is a normal 7-note scale with all the sharps and flats where you don’t expect ’em.
So is it a full minor scale rather than just the 5 of the pentatonic?
I know when my leg is being yanked.
Nahhh…I’m a novice at understanding the explanations, but I’m good with fretboard math, if that makes sense
Before you reply, Matthew, I didn’t know you were being serious! My apologies.
Dorian is a 7-note scale, but not natural minor. The only difference is Dorian contains a major 6th, a full A minor scale has a minor 6th. All other notes are identical. All modes are only one note removed from the natural major or natural minor.
I think you’re thinking making an A Pent. Minor scale a Dorian mode. Mixolydian is a major mode.
Is Dorian just adding the “blues” note like the 5-6-7 ( so, the 6) on the A string?
If you are in A Pent Min., 5th fret position, Dorian simply adds the 2nd (7th fret low E String, 9th fret D, string, 7th fret High E String), and the major 6th (9th fret A string or 7th fret B string). A Dorian is simply A Pentatonic Minor with a 2nd (B note) and a 6th (F# note). This applies to all Pentatonic Minors turned into Dorians.
Dorian = Pent. Min. with a 2nd and a 6th. The 2nd is two frets up from the root, and the 6th is two steps up from the 5th.
I’m impressed!! I never thought such a discussion would happen here. Is quantum mechanics next?
You’re on your own there, pal. Music theory is really not that complicated. It’s just a language to learn. You either have the stubbornness to see it through or not. I was lucky enough to be born with music talent to fill in all the blanks on my own with some books. I am completely self-taught. I hunted it down. It didn’t find me.
It’s surprising that I played the harp for 15 years and never did have to learn chord charts. I just knew all the major and minor key signatures. That’s all the “theory” that was necessary.
Awesome! You play harp? That’s such a magnificent, beautiful, flowing instrument. Unless you mean “harp” to describe harmonica. In which case, that is a really emotionally powered instrument. Either way, wins.
String harp. It was a lifelong love affair ’til carpal tunnel syndrome put a stop to it. Now I listen to Maria Graf on YouTube to bring back the good memories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8896PO1HZuk
Wonderful! So beautiful. Yolanda Kondonassis is fantastic as well. I have 3 of her albums. This one is from “Pictures of the Floating World,” which has water themes. Perfect for harp music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H85LnFPiOQ8
That piece could ONLY be for harp. Awesome! Thanks for the share, S. I appreciate it.
Find all her cds. They are masterpieces. So relaxing, so virtuosic. Her version of Satie’s “Gymnopedie #1” makes me shed tears every time I hear it.
I had never heard of her before but YouTube has most of the pieces from “Pictures of the Floating World” all of which I intend to give a listen. Most of my harp music is Maria Graf, Gabriella Dall’Olio, Nicanor Zabaleta, and American Nancy Allen. Thanks for adding to my library and with unique hypermodern music to boot!!
You got it! I’ll check those names you gave me as well. Such a sublime instrument and you have my respect for learning it.
Awesome exchange, guys. Enjoyed reading that.
You’re really good at it! I’d love to hear some more of your work, originals or covers. I’ll reach out to refresh my contact info.
Every type of discussion happens here. And good news for you–often it’s entertainment!
I’m on it! Thanks…
Really needing to expand past pentatonic…I’m doing some with out knowing exactly what I’m doing, but this will help.
We would have great lessons, man. Skype? Hmm…
Are you playing pentatonic major or minor? It has to be major, because mixolydian is a major mode.
That’s why I’m struggling…I’m stuck on minors.
Did you go to Penn State? lollllll
Ouuuuuucccchhhhh!
Sorry…so many ignorant hillbilly f#$cks around here that defend Paterno and that charnel house of evil. I live just over an hour from (Un)Happy Valley, and the denial is a disease all PSU supporters suffer from. There is no worse offense than sexually abusing a minor. And these cowards deny what happened, and who knew, for a FOOTBALL team. I was a PSU football fan and went to games. Didn’t follow it as much in my latter years, but after this nightmare, never again.
I remember reading the deposition and literally crying. I’m sure you’ve had to put up with a ton of disgusting shit…sorry dude
You would not believe the cowardice of people who will defend a man who ignores pedophilia going on under his nose. FOR DECADES. Horrifying.
Ditto. Crying and then being so enraged I wanted to hit someone.
That’s hilarious. My buddy from Kuwait and his family moved to Jersey from Kuwait before the first Gulf war. I was 19 when I visited him in happy valley. It was epic. 1997. I got to see them play Michigan and they were both ranked in the top 10. We partied outside starting at 11 the night before we hit up players club. Have you been there? To be honest though, their engineering program is a lot better now.
I used to play in an acoustic duo weekly at Rathskellar on Pugh and College Ave and they were great gigs. I had so many awesome St. College times. But since the Sandusky scandal and the Paterno excuse-makers, my attitude towards PSU has changed drastically. You wouldn’t believe the filth that has been spewed here in support of Paterno. It’s a shame. There is no worse offense than pedophilia. But I am not sweeping all of St. College under that blanket of shame. Just those who believe Paterno had no idea what was going on under his nose for decades.
I’ll keep my mouth. I had one of the best times of my young life there at that point. I don’t condone pedophilia. It was just a great experience for me
No I hear ya. I am relating 100%. I played the “Skellar weekly in ’98. A year later than your ’97 good times. I know people who have graduated from PSU, close friends who work there. I have partied there many times. It’s a cool little town. I just saw Eric Johnson at State Theatre a month ago. I try not to focus on the darkness. And I’m glad you had a good time there.
Thanks my man. You figure out SF with Peaches?
Not yet. But I am dying to come back. It’s so hot here in the summer, and a trip to SF in the dog days would be so cool. Literally lol.
Do it
You will be one of the first to know. You know we’ll all have to thrown down in the city next time I come out, right?
Do fat babies like cake? Yes, my wife’s family is a15 min ferrry ride from the city and a 10 min drive traffic permitting otherwise. We are there every weekend. Alameda to be specific
All right!! The next SF trip trigger is pulled, you will know. Good night, my man. It’s 1:30am here, and I gotta get up by the crack of 9. LOL
Goodnight dude. take care
Mixolydian is like a major scale but with a flat 7th. It’s common in appalachian music for example.
If it’s any consolation Kershaw’s given up four round trippers. When was the last time that happened?
C’mon Mets, let’s do it! Even though Opie never loses, even when he should!
The year of the Rat?
When the story is written of this blog’s season, it will be chronicled that on this day, Totalfan62 dropped an F bomb and Brownie watched the A’s.
Nothing more needs to be added.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QsuAXrJJH4
Not struttin’ our stuff, y’all….
“Elvin Bishop sittin’ on a bale of hay,
He ain’t good lookin’ but he sure can play.”
(Apologies to Charlie Daniels)
Thanks for posting, hadn’t heard that song in a long time. That first line sums up Giants fans’ feelings right now: “I’m busted, disgusted, and bent all out of shape.”
Apologies. Major frustration last night. Now I gotta run errands and buy groceries, and take abuse from Braves fans.
Do NOT apologize for caring….
Bellinger and Taylor are annoying SOBs.
Yep, developing your own outfielders, isn’t that illegal or something
Yep, developing your own outfielders, isn’t that illegal or something?
Nice move by bochy to bench slater. Keep the kid confused and guessing.
Oh yes, Ol’ Boch, that aging, fumbling, bumbling, spiritless, low-energy, cliche-spewing, on-the-job-retirement joke of a manager, has continued his inane strategic miscalculations this season after climaxing the last one with a move so moronic it should disqualify him from serious Hall of Fame consideration. The damn fool yanked Matt Moore after he overwhelmed the Chicago Cubs for 8 innings in Game 4 of the playoffs and decided to to go with the worst bullpen in baseball. A 5-2 lead quickly disappeared with the awful Derek Law, the awful Javier Lopez and the awful Sergio Romo kindly accommodating the Cubs’ batsmen. Natch, the accommodating SF media stuck up for Ol’ Boch afterwards—Moore had thrown 118 pitches, etc., etc., ad nauseam—but the fact is Moore struck out two hitters in the eighth and looked terrific. Natch, Ol’ Boch had to intervene, and to me the Giants still haven’t recovered from Ol’ Boch’s most infamous folly.
Well soon his career winning percentage will go under .500 so i don’t think anything else will be necessary to keep him out of the hall of fame.
Three rings = serious consideration regardless.
Has any manager with a losing record made the hall of fame? Can’t think of anyone.
connie mack?
Thought of him but wasn’t he voted in as not just a manager?
Owner and manager.
That’s what i thought. So he doesn’t really count. I think bochy would be the first.
Bucky Harris, .493 (see above)
Found a list. Connie Mack is #1 in wins but under .500 for his career (it was a LONG career). Bucky Harris (first half of 20th century, several different teams) was at .493. Wilbert Robinson (Dodgers) was exactly at .500. I’m not counting Frank Robinson, who I assume is in the HOF as a player, not a manager.
I’d agree that Bochy’s three titles likely make him a shoo-in, regardless of his overall W-L record as a manager.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_managers_by_wins
I don’t know. Good question. You should look it up. Regardless, he’s still HOF in my book. He took some average Padres teams to the playoffs. He had to soldier through the 2007 Bonds tribute season and a poorly constructed 2008 team. 2009 through last year we were perennial contenders, except for 2013. I do think it’s time for him to retire, but I believe his HOF rep is still intact.
I’m typing from my cellphone now, i’m not at home with my computer. It seems tough to vote in a manager with a losing record, especially if he spent a lot of his career managing a team with one of the highest payrolls in the majors. It isn’t like what yost and francona have done the last two years, for example
Stop. You’re just being silly now. No surprise that he didn’t start the kid vs. a knuckleballer. Look how Dickey made short work of the rest of our lineup. Mix in some balance, John.
Well he is batting 130 points higher than the rest of the lineup, that might have been a consideration, no? But you’re right, i should defer to bochy’s proven record of developing young outfielders, he clearly knows what he’s doing, like um…um…
All I’m saying is that in this specific situation it makes sense for the kid to sit. He went 0-4 Sunday, and a day off won’t hurt him. He’ll be in there for st least two of the next three games.
Why not all three? Gorkys has to get his at bats to stay sharp?
He might start all three. Just saying he’ll be in there.
At this point, and I do not say this lightly, I’d just as soon see Gorkys as Span in the lineup. And I think Gorkys is awful on every level one can be awful, so that tells you where Span is on my list.
Fine, but not at the cost of slater’s at bats.
Totally agree. Whatever about sitting him vs. Dickey, but it better not become a habit. Slater may have just needed a day off, too.
I did mix in some balance. I said he was right to start tomlinson against a lefty.
Please, learn something about actually playing the game of baseball. Stats means nothing when learning to play the game correctly.
You want to play, go out and play. You think this is a site for baseball players?
Of course not. It does require an understanding of how the game is played to become any kind of an authority on the game as a whole. George Will (I’m guessing) never played baseball, but he did take the time to learn how the game is played and what goes into good play.
So this is what it has come to; a pathetic 9-0 effort with Jon Miller on the radio nearly falling asleep after every sentence, the rookie Slater who has been one of the few bright spots apparently already in need of a rest day (or did Bochy just feel compelled to get Hernandez’ red hot bat in the line up), and the longest discourse on the technical aspects of music in blog history that did not include a single music video posted by Foothills Ryan. Well, I complain about my commute all the time but at least it kept me from having to watch that boring mess last night. 24 Hour Fitness doesn’t even bother to set one of the TV’s to the Giants anymore and apparently not a single patron requested it. Spanish language soccer is better than this wreck.
Sincere and Luther had me covered with some beautiful harp music. I remember when I used to listen to Kruk and Kuip’s morning show religiously on the way to work, in spite of static. Now it’s NPR and occasionally flipping over for some rock n roll in case I need a fix for some phrygian modes, you dig?
Last weekend I came up in the 9th inning down a run. Drilled a line drive single and came around to score the tying run and spark our game winning rally. Got to relish that for a week. This past weekend we ended up in a tie game but I came up in the 8th with a runner on second and one out and struck out. Could have been the winning run , now I’ve got to sit on that one till Saturday. I like last week better no doubt.
PS35 (warning, by my stating this, I will be lambasted as a “Bochy Lover”):
I was fine before the game with Slater not starting just that game. It had nothing to do with rest, and everything to do with Bruce protecting Slater’s stroke since a knuckleballer was going…Dickey can screw a kids swing up for awhile.
He’ll be right back in there tonight
Maybe so, I was just a box score jockey on this one though I did make it home in time to see Pence pop out to end the game.
Pence a good microcosm for last night’s loss. Against the knuckleball best strategy is to take out swing and put the ball in play. Make him throw strikes–the ball flutters in and out of the strike zone.
Hunter, swinging from the heels, gives us an 0-4. He wasn’t alone, obviously: we eke out four hits for the entire game. Two in the first, when with runners on first and third with no outs Crawford-Posey-Pence go pop up-strikeout-pop up.
Belt robbed of a double in the second when the umpire calls him out for coming off the base (he didn’t), and just one more knock after that.
Fifth and sixth innings we’re six up/six down on a total of 14 pitches.
This has been your snapshot of last night. Hope it didn’t make you nauseous.
You Bochy lover you.
No problem, he can send him to a psychiatrist to be treated for pksd (post knuckleball stress disorder). By the way, do you have any evidence for pksd, or is this something which everyone knows?
For the record, I don’t believe I’m the guy who ever said “everyone knows”
Have you been around the game very long? Since your a data guy, I’m sure it’s out there somewhere…it’s a thing
At least Johnny Cueto had a strong outing. Keep those coming. Somehow, someway got to turn him into a couple of prospects, with one of em being at least as good as anything the Giants have on the farm.
How good is Tyler Beede? Hard to say, but getting roughed up in AAA lately. Gave up 10 hits and a walk in 4.1 innings vs the Rockies AAA squad. He yielded 7 runs and K’d 5 – ERA is 5.40, WHIP is 1.51.
I do wonder if the A’s can be a trade partner with the Nats and their god awful bullpen. Mark Melancon doesn’t seem like he’s going anywhere, but I bet the A’s could use a couple of guys like Madsen and Doolittle. Could they actually use Casilla?
You found the one nugget … Cueto showing he has value so the FO can make a deal.
Mac and Shaw both went deep in that Beede Stinker but they also are both hitting .252.
Visalia tonight for the High A, Cal League All-Stars?
Nunez is also looking good as tradebait.
Yes, he will be much easier to trade than Johnny C I fear [contract]. That said, I think he could still be a good Giant next year as their #2 but they will have to increase salary because they need a FA OF’er.
I would not call that a strong outing against a sub 500 team. He gave up a bomb and struck out 4. Against a team like the braves, 1 or no runs would be a strong outing or a complete game shutout
Come on, man. Cueto with a plus-quality start. Seven innings, five hits and no walks. One of the two runs scored against him due to shaky defense.
I think your baseball acumen has been affected by your Cubs general suckitude this year. It’s that or something else, because your statement above is nonsense.
Costello from Philly?
I think if your gunna suck, be the best damn sucker you can be. I want another 13 straight Ls. Let’s go Generals!!!
Pretty sad when the lineup card only features 4 major leaguers….the rest of those schmucks should be filiming “Major League: Back to the Minors”.
Who is worse (a) Derek Law (b) Mark Melancon or (c) Matt Moore.
Moore may be able to clinch the title tonight.
I think DLaw will come around this year or next.
Question is how many baserunners will “come around” to score before or if he ever gets better. He has been terrible this year but Moore has ben worse — if only because he is a starter and more was expected of him.
There is a lot to be learned about pitching with men on by this WHOLE bullpen.
Law should go on the DL until the ASB. Rest, rehab, film study and coaching. He’s been awful of late, last night was just the latest example.
I predict Moore pitches well tonight, but Teheran will be better.
Please don’t get swept here. I’m wearing the Orange and Black every day and have no patience for Braves fans taunts.
Slater swinging the bat very well but Bochy benches him because he doesnt want him to lose his swing against a knuckle ball pitcher ? See this is the kind of shit thats driving me crazy about Bruce Bochy theres no reason to bench him at all let this kid play no matter who’s pitching!! Bochy over manages and seemingly has no idea as to what he’s doing with rookies.
Agree 100%. At the quasi-conscious level his problem is overmanaging (‘if i make a lot of moves according to ‘the rules of managing’ (‘don’t let rookies against knuckleballers’), then i must be a good manager’). This is most obvious manifested in his tendency to respond to problems in the bullpen by switching pitchers every batter rather than making a serious effort to see who’s actually pitching well, but it’s a general pattern. But at a less conscious level, it follows a consistent pattern, namely to always choose the move which will show a lack of confidence in a young hitter who doesn’t come with a pedigree.
Talk about a consistent pattern. Everything that the manager does is wrong or incompetent. If only the posters on this site were in charge. They obviously know better– not.
I defended bochy for playing tomlinson at 2b against lefties a few days ago, remember?
Time for some folks here to learn something about actually playing the game.
There is nothing, NOTHING more obnoxious than the type of comment you just made. Maybe you and ClutchUp and others like you should go start your own “Together We’re Smug” blog and leave us peasants to our foolishness.
I’d rather listen to Efrain slobber over Kershaw and screech about trading Belt, and that’s saying something.
See my George Will comment to Myhill.
Then listen to Efrain. No matter what you think, knowing how the game should be played is important if one is going to criticize how the game is being played. It isn’t important to have played the game, but knowing how the game should be played Is important. Call it smugness if you want, but it’s better than clueless. I’m sorry you felt it important to criticize knowledge and support ignorance. I was surprised.
I’m criticizing condescension and being patronizing. That’s about being a decent human being and a good blog citizen. It is about neither knowledge nor ignorance.
I’m surprised at it coming from you. From ClutchUp, I expect it, but you usually provide value added, interesting information, rather than simply putting others down.
I’m not sure who you thought I was being patronizing to. My only direct comment was to Myhill. In his case I was tired of hearing a stats only POV. I’m still tired of hearing a “numbers only” perspective on baseball. Stats are a good tool for helping to understand what’s happening, but it isn’t useful as one’s only view of baseball nor is it all there is to understanding what’s right or wrong with a game, team or season.
But you have no perspective at all. If you want to play baseball, go out and play it. That isn’t what people here are doing.
Wow….Wow……….wow,,,,,,,,,,,
You are approaching legendary bad word status. What do you expect from me and why?
Because I opined what if either of your two lefty juniors were engaged to a single Giant player and they did not wish to hear all the negativity that some people produce on this site?
I have to agree with bapah here. Efrain really knows nothing about baseball from any point of view.
I’m sure there are other obnoxious comments that are bad, but yeah–this one is right up there among the leaders.
Really?
WoW what brought this on…….
I’ve been saying since law came back from his injury last year that he simply isn’t the same pitcher he was before the injure. His three-finger ‘slider’ was what made him special before and he just doesn’t have any more. It doesn’t
Li
Three finger slider? That is new on me. The only reason for anybody to place more than two fingers on a baseball is to (1) create air drag (2) cannot throw the traditional circle change.
I am heading out back with my brother to throw a few three finger sliders against the garage.
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