by
Greek Giant
Tonight’s Game: Indians (47-43) Vs Giants (35-58) at Willie Mays Field, 7:10 PM
Josh Tomlin (5-9, 5.90) Vs. Matt Moore (3-9, 6.04)
The Giants are going to be sellers at the trade deadline and the rumors are flying. Based on yesterday’s performance, Jeff Samardzija realy, really, really does not want to be traded. He likes the food in San Francisco. There are lots of ifs, maybes, and other perhaps regarding players like Cueto, Strickland, Smarge and maybe even BB9. We shall see. Tonight the Giants are hoping to give the fans their money’s worth against the Indians, who just got their asses handed to them by the A’s over the weekend.
This ought to be fun.
Five Questions
- What happened to the Giants’ starting pitching staff this year?
- Is it time for the Giants to make a change in their coaching staff?
- Rebuild? Reboot? or Retool?
- Is there a trade market for Denard Span?
- Why are the Indians a pedestrian 4 games over .500 heading into tonight’s game?
Breckeroni says it’s time the Giants beat a team that got swept in their last series.
1. Dunkirk
2. In the offseason
3. Revolt
4. Show me the Carfax
5. Why are the Giants a jaywalking 23 games under .500??
Are we supposed to know the big ol’ tat dude selling Mr. Pickles?
1) Injuries, declining skills, complacency.
2) Yes. More than one.
3) Rebuild. Not tear down, but substantial changes to the roster and high minors.
4) I think so, but it’s a good prospect or two, not a major league player.
5) Strong, balanced division. Also some of their key players got off to a slow start.
All right, Matty Mo. Pride time.
Did you see the chocolate dorito in the Emoji Movie ad?????💩
Poop Oscar!!!!
I have Full Onset Warm Up Dread….
So on the “Keys to the Game,” they had “Set it up for Dyson,” and just for a second, I thought “Who?”
It’s been that kind of year.
Funny tho, I’d rather hear Dyson coming into close than Melancon. We sign a big name to millions of dollars in the off season and turns out our best closer was the result of Bobby doing some dumpster diving. Yes. It’s been that kind of year.
I’d prefer a healthy Melancon.
Nice 1st inning for Matt Moore
WHAT JUST HAPPENED?!?!?!
An 11 pitch first inning. Considering our starters usually finish warming up in the first with 25-40 pitches, this indeed is remarkable in itself. Unbelievable. A small victory indeed.
We’ll really know we’ve been beamed to an alternative universe should the Giants end the first inning with a lead.
Not today.
heck, I’m happy to settle for tied after one.
Cause for celebration.
The Indians didn’t get the customary early game batting practice offered by Moore. I hope Matt doesn’t forget the good night chocolate mint on their pillow at the hotel.
I tuned in a few minutes late. Was that really a scoreless top of the first? The official Moore under/over on first inning runs let up (as set by me) was 1 1/2
Cool walk-up song, I dig it
Sweet group of Major League uni’s in the stands. I would definitely buy them a round if I was there
Not at 11 bucks a beer and forget about hard alcohol. Definitely cool uni’s though.
Cheapskate
I am Indian.
Sasta
Que?
Google translate. Just trying my best hindi
South Australian Science teacher’s association? LOL
I can’t believe that I didn’t get that one.
Lay off the Russell’s
you need to get Russell’s Reserve to sponsor your nights out.
Atta babe Moore.
Was that two scoreless innings?
He’s got a perfect game going!!!!!!
Until you spoiled it.
It’s called a Reverse Moore Heimlich…but it failed immediately
It would be an embarassment to perfect games if Moore got one
They never learn!
It’s Amy’s fault because she was eye-fornicating that rugby dude over Duane’s call
Moore era by inning
1st 7.50
2nd 8.50
3rd 4.00
4th 8.04
5th 3.65
6th 4.50
7th 0.00
8th 6.75
If things don’t improve, maybe try him as the 7th inning loogy though very small sample
He’s pitched one?
6 times…completed 5 innings
he stays because, really, there are few options.
So, I need to go uncap a beer when the G’s have two outs in the 3rd?
If Moore pitches one more scoreless inning, Crawfish Joe is going to start calculating the Giants’ magic number.
Marichal Spahn Redux!
Whoa, these Giants have come out consistent!
The Phillies survived bases loaded and one out in the bottom of the 9th and now head to extra innings. I love the excitement of a reverse pennant race.
Not that thrilled about your obsession at TWG with the Giants losing for draft position as the 2017 Giant’s season slowly dissipates.
Rooting for one’s team to lose games is unbecoming.
That’s disappointing because I was trying very hard to thrill you. You root for wins that mean nothing. I’ll root for the Giants to have the best chance possible to improve the team.
I was being droll but perhaps a habit of winning is more predictive of future success than draft position?
Having a roster that includes excellent baseball players is most predictive of future success.
Then how do you explain teams that are perpetual losers with good draft position compared to organizations like the Yankees, Cards, and Dodgers that seldom have the privilege of top ten draft picks?
It’s only an opportunity, not a guarantee.
A win today is more predictive of a win tomorrow than a loss today that contributes to a marginal move up in draft position for a player that might be in MLB in 2021.
I think your premise is probably in fact wrong except it is a premise or opportunity and not a guarantee.
Crap.
He’s baaaaaack!
At least give it one more inn
Ga-BOOM! No doubter
Ex Giant strikes again…Gomez is Atlee Hammaker’s son in law
There’s that duck walk bewilderment to the dugout we all love!
Before the game started who here would have been thrilled if Moore only gave up one run over three innings. Sign me up
Gorkys is going yard*
( * the description of yard will follow shortly)
It’s a dogs life.
Whhhyyyyyyy
Ghost of Berto
I was close… HALF YARD!
Oh he might be safe
yeah but NY hates us
Efrain?
he’s a given
NY showing some love!
woot!
Roberto Kelly strikes again– I know, I know
Atta babe Gorkys.
Think he missed him but it’s too close
Phil “Don’t Call Me Kelly” Nevin!!!!!!!!
Any chance that Moore protects this lead?
2%
Gork with two runs produced
Bottom of the order = big bats. Ok.
Turning around their season. It’s happening right now. You heard it here first!
I mean, a man on third with no outs never scores, right, let alone on a pitcher’s hit.
Well not in the Giants way 🙂
I like the spirit!
I’m in.
Phil Nevin channeling Flan. “My butt’s on the line, my butt’s on the line. “
Since June 1 Hernandez is hitting .348
Well, duh!
He’s a great talent. They should give him a multi-year deal.
You’re coming around! You retired the ” he’s not a major leaguer” narrative!!!
No I haven’t.
Bruce Willis never should have been cast over you in “Die Hard With A Vengeance”
You’re aware that, even after a hot streak that has included numerous softly hit balls that went for hits, your man Gorkys remains a mediocre defensive outfielder who is hitting .243 with zero home runs, right?
Keep going! I love it!!!!
Pulling a Kelby?
Damn, he’s improved his offense to mediocre!?
How nany other Giants hitting close to .350 over the last 2 months?
Not sure. Ask The Oracle
The answer is zero
You guys should seriously root for him to get a multi-year deal so you can enjoy him as a Giant into the future.
The only reason I want him signed to a multi year deal is for your reaction.
I don’t know why you keep thinking that I get bothered by any of this.
Maybe because you post counterpoints to every Gorkys hit? I dunno. Paint me crazy.
Seems Span now is the most obsessed over and bitched about G on this blog.
There’s a cycle.
What’s the ranking?
1) Span
2) Belt
3) Gorky
4) Moore
the trophy was awarded for Belt B&^%$ing shortly after he came up, by such a wide margin I consider it retired.
He’s only hitting .087 on The Oracle “I Decide What’s A Real Hit” Scale
Did he converse with Al Bundy who scored 4 TDs in a high school game with Polk High?
Top of the order 💩
Top of the order — wow. Like four pitches later, there’s three outs.
Nice diving stop by Jae
How weak are the base umps dressed like it’s winter in Moscow. I know SF isn’t Texas in the summer but it ain’t THAT cold.
Trying to conceal their beer bellies.
Must be. I mean there’s fans in the stands in T-shirts. I don’t think it’s T shirt weather but it’s closer to that than middle of winter.
The last 2 night games I’ve gone to in the past month were ridiculously nice, in short-sleeves all night. But I tend to run hot anyway, so “cold” weather in SF is considered air-conditioning.
No it really IS that cold. The boys of summer weren’t meant to play in 57 degree weather all season. I see plenty of parkas in the seats on those foggy/windy nights. Fairbanks, Alaska in the summertime is warmer than SF … really. I’d say those umps are wearing an appropriate amount of covering especially given that they don’t move much.
well 1) I was being facetious and 2) it’s not really a foggy/windy night. It was a hot day even in SF. I’ve been to plenty of games, I know it gets cold, duh.
I made a mistake because Kramerica was my intended reply recipient. So my bad. I live in AZ so I didn’t know SF was actually hot today. Been a hot summer, yes?
That makes more sense 🙂 Yes, we’ve had a few hot spells in the past month. I hate it!!
The growth of my disdain for the Bay Area was so large that I didn’t even mind moving to Hell, climate-wise. I lived in Palo Alto which has turned into a soulless, tech startup mecca where need for office space made longtime businesses die. No more music, art, and books in Palo Alto and your ugly 1 BR apartment goes for $4000. No thanks.
The Watermelon Espadrilles Chronicles
Hwang just saved a bag. Good job
0-2 pitch coming (holding breath)
And some here said Jae-Gyun Hwang’s defense was suspect.
Perhaps his bat is the suspicious element in this equation.
After a hot couple of games during which he waa annointed as a savior whom the front office was crazy not to have brought up sooner he has certainly slowed down
They should still give him enough bats to qualify for a fair shake.
I don’t remember anyone saying he was a savior, but rather a nice jolt to the team when he came up. And who realistically actually thinks that any player can stay hot or keep hitting consistently? Don’t remember hearing any player hit 1.000.
Did you mean 100 or 1000. Go back and read the comnents
I’m not editing my post, so you read that correctly, Surf.
Anyone else suspicious that Belt is being held out of games while some trade is worked out and the injury is an excuse?
Did anyone see the check swing?
I did. It’s plausible he could have tweaked something
I did not see the play where Belt was injured.
Seems with the Giants when mid season trades occur they come not in fact but literarily “out of left field”, maybe for a left fielder but better yet for a CF.
Belt would fit well and likely thrive as an Astro or Yankee.
He fits nicely on this blog. We thrive on controversy.
I don’t want Belt traded. He would get chatted up more than Duvall should his stats improve significantly (which is likely)
I don’t want him traded. I think there us a reasonable chance he will be
Almost any other ballpark but esp NYY or HOU
No clue, it is a pretty sloppy excuse for an injury though
No. None chance. Evans and Co ain’t mendacious bastards like that. Belt = Giant thru 2019
They traded Matt Duffy
I disagree. I think it ranges from “some chance” to “good chance”… he’s a guy that could bring back talent, and someone of note IS getting traded
Nope. Who’s playing first? Posey gonna keep on grinding behind the plate. This front office is not the most apt in baseball. They will stick to their guns and the contracts they signed and disregard the opinions of bloggers like Footy McHills and the Stepping Stones.
I hope you’re right. I fear you’re not.
They aren’t at Beane’s level, I guess
Winter has come for SF.
Speaking of GoT, Pence kind of reminds me of Theon Greyjoy LOL.
He’d fit in with the Wildlings.
Perfect fit
I have never watched GoT but does Theon Greyjoy strike out too much and appear to have lost most his power and baseball skills?
Pence has to be one of the most easiest hitters to book.
Word’s out on Pence. Away, Away, Away, Away, Away, Away, Away, Away.
Nevin getting gutsy.
BCraw, that bastard.
Atta babe BCraw.
He’s started to hit recently. A very useful RBI there.
That was a nice Gillaspie-style adjustment, BCraw.
Wow is Posey slow!
Is ” wow yes” the correct response?
Yes it is
Hwang looking pretty good over there at first.
“Is anybody there?”
“NO!”
Basically the theme of the Giants.
Don’t stress, Denard…Gorkys will throw it in
Motherfudger.
You fng moron.
What the f***?
“It’s the way the play is taught now”
Mike Krukow is insane
I somehow doubt that it is taught to thriw it over the first baseman’s head– and by the way with the rainbow throw the runner might have beaten it.
No reason not to have firmly thrown it over hand. Just pure laziness.
Gorkys makes that throw.
In “chocolate dorito” related news, Apple has new emoji symbols,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/technology/apple-new-emoji.html
including this one, which I hope we’re not going to need tonight.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8332847c154ba855f23c201ec1040affe15d436d0c4deaa225d98ec5c14bc904.png
well, that was overtaken by developments as I typed!
Is there one where Matt Moore shits his pants?
And yet, still no white wine emoji!!! Come on Apple!
Span just throw to second base…
Can Congress vote on the Moore Span Bill pretty soon?
Let’s throw a Pence rider on that bill.
Repeal and Replace Moore
Span had no chance and still decided to go to Buster. This team sucks ass in every facet of the game.
“The Dodgers are the baseball version of the Golden State Warriors”–hahahahahaha
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/ct-dodgers-warriors-super-team-20170717-story.html
Yes, one 42-11 stretch means they’re equivalent to the NBA team that set 1) a record for wins in a single season, 2) record for wins in a 3 year stretch, 3) 3 straight conference championships, 4) 2 championships and 5) has four likely HOF. They’re virtually identical.
This time last year, it was the Cubs, right? This time last month, it was the Astros. The Cubs were supposed to be an unstoppable dynasty after they won the championship last year…
Watching the Cubs flounder around this year has brought me joy. However, they’re in a terrible division and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they win it. And if they do win the division, they’re good enough to win it all. However, I’m not sure I can stomach another Dodgers v. Cubs NLCS. I’ll be a Nate supporter this playoff season in the NL.
And I thought SFGate.com was trash.
Even when Moore is pitching well he sucks. He is a mental case.
Anyone here still think it was a mistake to take him out after 8 innings in game 4 of the NLDS?
I never did think that was a mistake. Crappy bullpen work, no more, no less.
I agree but that was a minority opinion at the time
Bad technique on the throw to first base
You don’t say?
cough for me
Only thing Moore forgot to do was ‘lock his wrist’ making his arm and hand ‘all one piece’ rather than a ‘lever’.
Can I use a lever to shoot him into the cove?
He and Raggs spent off days together, His command is much better,
Actually, Duane, those are the most earned unearned runs in baseball history
The Rueben Rivera of pitchers
Hwang is saving Nunez’s ass tonight
Sloppy play is definitely contagious. Again, this shit show season is a team effort.
Please tell me this won’t climax in an 0-2 grand slam HR into McCovey Cove.
Houston has inquired about Gorkys, Reddick tweaked something, TO requesting transfer to Texas.
If Gorkys wins a World Series ring, there may be a Jack Ruby incident.
If I were Bochy, I’d tell Moore to go hit the shower. You’re done.
Except maybe they want him to go a hundred pitches?
BTW Belt comes down with Moores terrible underhand toss.
false
close
Belt doesn’t save all of the errant throws Nunez has made tonight
Maybe Kevin Durant catches it
Gorkys on fire
Gorked.
Now over .350 since June 1.
And his wRC+ is still just 73. That’s crazy. .350 since June, and he’s almost to the level of career Joaquin Arias.
Hottest hitter on the team.
Gorkys Swing Set Hermuthafugginnandez, baby
I like Gorkys because he’s honest.
If Moore bunts unto a double play Im done for the night
Jinx?
That was a perfect description
Im done
Okay Im still watching
You didn’t fool me for a minute!
Cant help myself
But you heard the prediction here first
Matt Moore is a Barf emoji
Trying single handily to lose this game.
Trying?
There is a Confucius in there somewhere
“Fortune favors the well-prepared.”
Well, Confucious, it ain’t us.
My grandson’s team can bunt better than that.
The Master said, “In vain I have looked for a single man capable of seeing his own faults and bringing the charge home against himself.”
I CAN BUNT BETTER THAN THAT.
Should have converted to a butcher boy
TO’s guy
I’ll butcher his ass
Where was he looking?
1B and 3B were BOTH in. Geez.
Honest statement: when I watch him this season, he is so mentally fragile. That was just a panic bunt
Nevin called it
I meant his prep after the sign. He’s been here a year, taking BP and bunt practice. He saw the 3 and 5 crashing….he is papier-mâché
Hes here now and next yr
He is mentally fragile.
Problem of being an AL pitcher his whole career
A-f-ing -men
He needs to peer out of corner of his eye, F5 was crashing the dish = swing the bat
Hell yes.
No you cant but we font need you to
Losing the game, but saving the bullpen. Moore may be able to record one or two more outs.
After all the speculation today about whether Craw is hurt or just too fat, I’m so glad his .228 BA drove in yet another run. Even hurt this guy is good.
Houston ramping up offer to Gorkys. due to Reddicks testicle injury
Apparently they waived the SAT requirement for Moore to become a baseball player
I missed why they showed the Brandon Hicks HR.
I guess cause we never hit any
Walk off,good times.
Hmm okay. Seemed like a random one to show.
What is this game, if not random?
last time they played them
oh okay
Pico is likely right, but I was thinking because the production team was tired of showing Lego catchers for distraction purposes
On the radio side Miller was talking about a TV show (GoT) during the first batter of the game. EVERYONE is bored with this team.
Yeah, K & K were too. This team is like watching the Red Wedding, baseball-style.
Moore is done. He’s mentally imploded and good to see the bullpen go hurry up mode.
And so why didn’t Bochy pinch hit for him?
Because he’s a vet and he did well in 2016. Let’s forget his bad outings THIS season.
It was 3-3 in the 5th in a perfect bunt situation. No manager pinch hits there.
Would have been the right call though.
Obvioysly correct but shouldnt even need to be said
Painful.
Who jinxed the Wang???
Team effort.
Normally, I’d say I’ll take the blame but.. Moore deserved it
People should be booing to let everyone know that this is not acceptable MLB plan.
Yeah, but we’re not the Phillies. 😉 Plus then Bochy would say we’ve damaged the fragile psyche of whatever player he should have yanked a million years ago. *cough*Casilla*cough*
Ok well at least some murmuring?
Booing does nothing, Gotta ride it out
It’s one of those Cluster- thingies.
So has Moore lost his coveted spot as reverse ERA leader in the NL despite his efforts to regain it this inning?
yikes.
Somebody explain to me again how the Giants wouldn’t miss Belt at all and any idiot can play first base.
But people really do think anybody can play 1st base.
Are first basemen required to do anything but hit 60 HR?
It looks like you would be very surprised at the skill level needed to play that position.
I was joking. Of course I’m aware that the guy in the IF that’s makes most of the putouts has a tough and vital job.
My bad.
BILLY BEANE: Oh, it’s not hard to play first base. Tell him, Wash.
RON WASHINGTON: It’s EXTREMELY hard.
–Moneyball
Well you and I never said that but Hwangs not really an idiot.
He’s also not really a first baseman.
Dr Strangeglove Dick Stewart
Neither Willie McCovey nor Orlando Cepeda were great fielders at !B but they were worse in LF.
Snow and Belt were and are excellent fielders at 1B and make a difference but I would still rather have McCovey or Cepeda hitting skills and poorer fielding.
Hwang today gone tomorrow.
Huh? Weak attempt.
Don’t mind me I am delirious.
Hwang at 1B today but not tomorrow and maybe never more.
No, he’s actually played there. Has the yips tonight though.
By law anybody who plays 1B in MLB can hit 30 HRs except Belt.
My thought exactly, missing the guy with the big flippers already! 🙁
Apparently any IS playing first base
I wonder why Gillaspie didn’t get the start, anyway.
Everyone wants to see rookies
I wouldn’t say I want to see rookies playing out of position, though.
Supposedly he could play first
Well, he “has.” It’s not exactly the same as “can.”
Agreed
Maybe he cant play first, but so far at least he cant hit either
Defense played at 1B isn’t the reason Giants are losing this game, I’ll tell you that
It isn’t helping, either
Indians would be leading with or without Belt, with the way Moore’s pitched tonight
What…..if he makes the play it is 3-1 Giants??
Again, Belt wouldn’t have caught Moore’s underhand toss either, and I doubt he would’ve stopped Nunez’s poor throws to first base.
Then its the way Moore played defense not pitched
It’s both really
No he gave up one run
He made an error
Hwang made an error
He gave up a HR, made an errant throw to first base that no one would’ve caught and allowed a base hit to Lindor right after that. That tied up the game and then, allowed a bsae hit to lead off the next inning.
Stop trying to pin this on Hwang.
Huh? He pitched them to a 3-1 lead. It was bad defense (by him and others) that made it 4-3.
Bingo
He gave up a HR, made an error on a throw to first, and then allowed a game-tying base hit right after. Then he allowed a double to start off the next inning, whether or not they recorded the out on the bunt right there doesn’t matter. Indians would’ve scored the run at third base with one out anyway.
I expect The Artist Never Known As Legitimate 📉 to trade him anyway
That is a basic throw yo first base play
Crawford’s disgusted throw from 2nd back to the bump was telling
Somehow it feels like it’ll be 2018 when the Giants to win another game.
No but August is a possibility
The Tribe is good.
Got Francona back
Still only 4-3
The Giants are bad.
Got Moore back.
Still only 4-3
Theme from Twilight Zone playing in background
We should be celebrating Moore tonight. If he had just been able to make a simple underhanded toss, he would have the Giants ahead in this ballgame.
It’s true. He pitched a lot better. A LOT.
Cleveland thought tonight is Game of Thrones night, so they’re playing along with all the slaughtering going on.
Missed it by THAT much
Can I punch Krukow now, or should I wait?
Stay away from Mikey. He’s the one that brought me back to SFG.
..Then he started free basing on Skittles and snorting candy corn
I seriously want whatever Kruk is on.
DUDE, SHUT UP
Seriously, this might be the most overactive blog on the face of the Earth. If this blog were a person it would be on the largest dose of Adderall in history.
Maybe we have a class action for mental abuse against the SF Giants?
Is there a medical malpractice attorney in the house?
SURF MAUI IN DA HOWSE
Sell out streak!!!!!!!!
We’re a bunch of idiots!!!!!!!!!!
No, they’re just pretending to be there. All talking on their smartphones.
Sell out streak is snapped! Surprise!
Now maybe that will rattle their cage.
Krukow, there aren’t 39,000 actual attendants at the game tonight, dude.
He poops orange and black sherbet
while using a squatty potty.
Peachy have you tried the new peach ice cream concoction they have at Cold Stone? I forget what else is in it but it’s really good.
You think she’s a cannibal?!?!
I do love a good peach smoothie….
Despite being quite the macho hunk my favorite drink is a fuzzy navel with a splash of 99 Oranges mixed in.
Well, it’s hard to resist the peachy.
Hmmm. I shall leave that one alone
I tend to avoid Cold Stone, not really a fan of the concept.
I’m more of a fro-yo gal.
Yuck. No way. Cold Stone all the way. Real sinful creamy homemade ice cream>wannabe sinful ice cream in the guise of yogurt. If you’re gonna sin, sin like a demon. But we’ll always have Junior’s. :^)
Baskin Robbins’ Rocky Road is good enough for me, very apropos for this lost season!
Say I isn’t so; decent ice cream (I love the banana) and mix in anything you want? Are you nuts?
No, I’m peaches! 😀
I just don’t like my ice cream getting mushed around on a stone that other people’s ice cream has been smushed on.
They scrape it off; good enough for me.
butts in seats not counted — only tix sold is what they keep track of
They know the attendance, they choose not to announce it.
exactly — so is the “attendance” in the printed box scores tix sold or butts in seats ???
IDK but if every night game in SF this season says 41k then it’s tickets sold and not actual attendance.
Ticket scalping … now there’s a growing SFG industry.
Right, that’s what I’m saying….
Larry Baer is really sitting up there talking about starting a new sellout streak? How about improving the product on the field first?
Larry has become deluded and unfortunately Kruk keeps feeding the poor chuckle-head.
That guy is a right place at the right time guy. I’ve never been sold that he’s been a gotta have talent at that baseball club.
When did it “officially” end?
Had to be sometime in June.
I think it was tonight. Hopefully that will get the FO freaking out a bit.
exactly because 39K on a monday night against cleveburg might be a high water mark for the rest of the season the way the Gs are playing
Oh yes officially tonight, “officially” probably sometime in June
Haha, officially it was 2013 with their other sub .500 year. But they finally had to acknowledge its “official” end tonight.
Yeah, there was much padding.
tonight with less than 40K tix sold
disgusting that he isn’t acknowledging that tix sold = interest in a WINNING team. forget about thanking the fans put a TEAM ON THE FIELD please !
Nice pitch.
Is this a “game over” moment? This dude is nasty
You know who got a big hit off Andrew Miller once? Mac Williamson.
I remember that- when Miller was in pinstripes
Yep, we were there. Great AB, game-tying double, blown save for Miller. Just a week or so before he was traded to Cleveland.
I remember that game. Listened to it on the KNBR feed. Was so psyched for Mac. Delivered in the clutch against one of the best LH relievers ever. Then the HR in the comeback that never happened against the Sox. Then the pinch-hit for by Blanco. Yeah, Lefty. Good times….
Welp…..
Dodgers will win the west again. Crazy how they keep winning the West and getting better each year.
Baseball Susan Lucci
The 90s Braves.
God I hope so. I don’t think I can take my friends down here if they win it all.
Choose better friends
MyGuy™ Kontos just made Ryan’sGuy™ Brad Zimmer look baaaaaaad.
Jinx….ughh
That’s my Georgie!
Still your guy? He sucks yet again
Oh, yeah. Kontos is MyGuyForever™
/sarcasm
And Bochy keeps trotting him out there! I think he has the most appearances of any Giant reliever.
I think he’d be better trade bait if they didn’t let him pitch.
Thats true
The entire bullpen sucks
And we finally agree on something!
Gearrin did great his last two outings.
I never want to see the following Giants ever again.
Kontos
Nunez
Span
Pence
Cain
Gorky
Entire bullpen except Dyson
Who am I missing ?
I thought I needed to see “Cujo” tonight to watch some horror.
They are remaking Cujo and it’s awful.
Kershaw said the other day that Posey is the face of baseball.
Pence just flails at everything.
He needs to go!
Have fun watching him next year.
He will be hurt most of the year so I’m not worried.
Damn, that is some serious shade!
It’s cool, Bochy has no problem playing vets while they’re hurt
My technical knowledge of the specifics of baseball is limited but I honestly can’t recall seeing Pence have what I would call a “good at bat” in weeks. Even when he connects for a base hit he appears to be bailing toward third base and coincidentally happens to connect with the ball. His power, which previously was formidable, appears non-existent.
He was always an outlier from a fundamentals point of view so perhaps that would explain why his decline seems so extreme. Sad to say that when he comes to the plate these days I don’t expect any good result.
He started the season (pretty much) pulling off pitches and can’t connect with outside pitches.
I don’t get why he hasn’t been corrected yet, either.
3 is the magic number. God help us if Pence can’t get it back next year.
What started out as a good pitching performance by Moore and Gorkys hitting the ball hard and scoring runs early and seemed to make for an exciting game just turned in to an ugly pile of
dog shit. How can the FO not see that the teamed has mailed it in. And there’s a reason for it. The core four, Buster Panik Craw and Bum have got to be sick of this garbage.
They need to CLEAN HOUSE !!
Fire Bochy !!!!
Fire EVANS
Fire Sabean!!!
New Blood!!!
That loss was disgusting. Painful. Brutal.
I guess there is some truth in saying we threw this game away.
Moore wasn’t the reason for tonight’s loss. I think our top 4 in the lineup going 1 for 16 had a lot to do with that.
Must still be the 2017 season.
I reckon.
If I was Rip Van Winkle I’d be pissed if I woke up and this was actually 2018.
I’d rather be Pappy Van Winkle 23
Span and Nuñez should not be there. Nor Pence. They can’t contribute. Maybe the pressure is too great in must win games.
My beef with Disqus is that latest posts in a thread should be at the end of the thread, not the start. So you almost have to read threads backwards.
so you want to read the bad comments you made BEFORE the most recent bad comments you just made?
Yup. Exactly. I want threads in chronological order like a conversation.
but they are! How does it not compute?
You don’t have new Facebook or Twitter posts at the end do you? It all shows up at the top, as any “live” feed should.
I never use Facebook or Twitter. Ever. Live feed doesn’t matter on Facebook or Twitter because their content is sound bites. Live feed encourages not following a complex series of thoughts in a conversation. It’s talking AT people, not TO them.
Well, Efrain, don’t shrink before the precipice you just created.
well I do aim to speak AT you.
I think you succeeded in that … in a sound bite. Congratulations, you just achieved the level of depth of Facebook and Twitter. What an accomplishment!
has nothing to do with level of depth. In any business, news feed, media, the most current post appear on the top. It’s logical.
The fact you don’t see that shows your living in some vintage times.
No, it shows that TWG is an overactive blog where that oldest-first order would look like a conversation where a zillion people are butting in. Conversations where butting in is the rule rather than the exception prevent depth from developing at all. I’m happy to live in “vintage times” because I prefer depth to “who said what RIGHT NOW”.
You can change the setting, just under your posting name, from “Newest” to “Oldest,” then you’ll view the posts how you want!
Wow. Many thanks.
I just did but then I realized that you end up reacting to old posts so almost no one will respond to your response or, in many cases, Disqus doesn’t take you correctly to the old post at all when you click in your email to reply. Argh!!! Still, Andres, many thanks.
It’s customizable by you the reader. So your beef is with yourself!
You have the choice to re-order posts.
But it’s a pain in the ass to read it that way.
And if you’ll notice isn’t consistent. Newest isn’t newest in all instances, especially after re-loading.
I tried the reorder but it doesn’t really work for this particular blog. This blog is so overactive that thread lengths are too large with too many subthreads. Reading it in newest order means you end up trying to follow conversations within conversations within conversations within conversations. It’s not worth it.
Indeed.
Moores pitching was encouraging and something he can build on. He’ll be ready by ’18. Too much good stuff.
Gosh im.really starting to feel bad for ol Bochy! He seems like a very likeable man who’s going through it big time.
This has to be extremely difficult for him.
I agree
Randy Winn is one boring analyst my god I’d rather watch paint dry then listen to him good night everyone!
Went to the game tonight…. well, at least it ended early enough to get home at a decent hour. I saw the discussions below about the “sell-out” streak. According to Russ Stanley, director of ticket sales, a couple of years ago on KNBR, it means tickets “distributed.” That means sold, given to players, press, sponsors, etc. At least I can say that I was at the game where the sell-out streak ended. : ( As Kramerica said below, hopefully it will get the FO freaking out a bit.
The
party’spadding’s over! 😉Ha-ha. I couldn’t find a song with your witty title, so let’s go with this one; can never go wrong with Nat King Cole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8BGHt18JTI
Giants sellout streak ends at 530-consecutive games
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/17/giants-sellout-streak-ends-at-530-consecutive-games/
The fans have spoken.
OK, the headline is hyperbole, but the article talks about how the Dodgers are winning including a creative use of the DL.
“The Los Angeles Dodgers have become baseball’s version of the Golden State Warriors”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/ct-dodgers-warriors-super-team-20170717-story.html
If it’s true that the Giants will be sellers at the trade deadline, i just hope Evans is up to the task.
If you’re a proponent of the theory that the consecutive sellout streak was “helped” quite a few times over the years, then the next question to answer is why did they decide to stop padding it now? One simple answer is that it will become more obvious than usual that the games aren’t selling out.. But another thought I had is that by the streak ending now, it gives them another way to justify selling off stars — that their revenue is going down.
Just checked the Box score. 6 hits 3 runs and ZERO walks. How does a team that has little power and few extra base hits get ZERO walks?
Belt was out.
They wanted to go home early. How about making a bad pitcher (3rd-worst SP ERA in MLB) throw only 79 pitches in 7.1 innings? They got no baserunners after the 5th inning. The 9th inning was lame, they’d already phoned it in, Pence, Nunez and Posey didn’t even try to get on base. Yeah, Posey’s game-ender was a line-drive but it wasn’t stung all that hard.
Weird Josh Tomlin fact: He has allowed more HR than BB every season for the last 4 years. The only two pitchers to be doing that this season? Tomlin and Samardzija,
Your morning trivia question…who leads MLB in outfield assists?
Hint #1: He’s a former Giant;
Hint #2: If I’m remembering correctly, he’s been discussed previously in this forum;
Hint #3: Spelled backwards, his name is mada llavud;
enog gnol?
He had a play yesterday where he played a ball off the wall and did not throw the ball in right away, rather he pumped it. Then threw. The runner took an extra base. Had he been able to get a throw in on the delay and “nailed” the runner trying to take the 2nd extra base, he would have gotten an assist. Most folks know that assists aren’t the best measure of a man in the outfield. They usually mean that other teams try to run on you until they belatedly realize they shouldn’t.
You mean he isn’t perfect? Yes, I’m sure the assists mean nothing, just as being a Gold Glove finalist did as well. The most important measure is, of course,the projections scouts had for him when he was a minor leaguer.
Just watched the game with my coffee this morning. A 90 minute exercise in torture, and not the good kind. A desultory effort, to be sure. The worst part is the “going through the motions” look that permeates through the lineup. Very disappointing.
Cleveland feed last night, announcers said that the selloutvdtreak was broken last night? True?
Duh, tf. Read a few more posts…
This really is a good place to learn the Giants news, along with the humor and pathos. It is good to have a support group, in the lean times.
At least it didn’t ruin your sleep too. Awful awful.
The problem with coming here regularly is being reminded (regularly) of pain and disappointment. I’m not sure it’s healthy. Nor sane.
What’s new?
Action on the farm ? – a visit to Tomorrowland ?
Well, there’s always this.
“Straight Out of the Russian Intelligence Playbook”
https://www.thecipherbrief.com/article/north-america/straight-out-russian-intelligence-playbook-1090
Everything is fine. We’re in good hands.
This doesn’t make for much of a John LeCarre spy thriller. Bumbling fools being lead with dirt down dusty roads.
[Security] experts agree that this was likely only one of many attempts to gain access – or throw doubt over – the Trump campaign. In Hall’s view, the arrangements to speak with Trump Jr. represent classic Russian tradecraft to attempt to penetrate the Trump campaign. “I’ll tell you,” he said, “the Russians are absolutely expert at this.” According to him, Russian intelligence officers exploit American openness to information – based on a tradition of freedom of speech and freedom of association.
The result? “The Russians take that to the bank every time.”
In Other Words:
Move along.
Nothing to see here.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was…
You’re a Talking Heads fan? I never knew. Your Judas Priest affection was also a surprise. What else you got?
Who?
Geez, Foots, it isn’t like you to miss a soft pitch like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puDTZAlCv4A#t=37.1682083
Close, but no cigar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX_96uKZ7yQ&list=RDWX_96uKZ7yQ#t=118&ab_channel=mrsnoo86
Here’s one nobody else might pick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4DbsNsK3jY&ab_channel=musadiggari
See below. FYI
See below, but here are a few more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMH58VDxBUI&list=RDNMH58VDxBUI#t=55&ab_channel=LesPaulDisciple
Minor details for your perusal…
For San Jose:
Bryan Reynolds 2 for 3 with his 8th triple on the year plus a BB. His OPS stands at .800.
Ryan Howard was 2 for 4 with his 7th HR. Batting .327 with .775 OPS.
Heath Quinn was 1 for 4 with 2 Ks, average down to .258 – not all that mighty with .763 OPS.
For Richmond:
Slade Heathcott and CJ Hinojosa each with three hits; .272 and .307 avg. and (.806 & .771 OPS) respectively.
Cory Taylor with a nice game on the bump: 7 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 6 K
Cody Hall with KKlean frame.
Sac Town: Chris Shaw 0 for 4, 2 K – .856 OPS, but pretty high K rate.
Andrew Suarez 4.1 IP, 7 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 5 K – 4.98 ERA
—
Time to shake some things up, give promotions. We should see how Slade Heathcott manages CF at the big top. Give him the double jump, he’s 27. Move Reynolds up to Richmond. Heck, move Howard too. Hinojosa is probably ready for AAA.
At the Big Top, Heathcott and Gorkys manage CF. Span moves to a corner, preparing for next year, sharing with Pence. Perhaps Jarrett Parker comes up and plays the corner as well. Or Mac. Pick your poison.
Hard to have too much faith in the hapless decision makers of SF. Can they possibly do the right thing, makes some shrewd deals and maneuvers? We’re waiting to see. We’re wondering how long Winter will last this time around.
You left off who you sent down or DFA’d, Cousin!
oh my god, there are only 3 certified OFers on the 25 man roster. Work that trade for Nunez. DFA Gillaspie – what point does he serve, exactly? Gomez can go to AAA.
As Lefty might say: awful roster management all year
Gomez does NOT wait around up there…I like that and hope he sticks.
Gillaspie – the blog rightly questions the under-utilization of certain players, yet he’s never mentioned. He is getting the well-compensated shaft this season…he should have been at 1B last night.
Bruce needed to see what he really has on his roster.
Hwang, Hwang Doodle.
Hwang doodle, indeed. I mean how can you expect much out of a guy that played in the Korean leagues until his late 20s. He’s just going to become another guy caught in our revolving door to AAA.
Well, Conor did miss a lot of time with the back injury. But before that, I remember literally forgetting he was on the team in April because not only did he never get a start, but he almost never he even forgot an AB.
That’s weird. They kept him around last year even before he was doing well. They signed him back for actual money. Why did they bother?
I’m guessing at some point they’ll bring Parker back. And this is why I had a fit when they sent Mac down last week–not on his own account; I get that he’s having a terrible year–how do you leave a 25-man roster with only three outfielders, two of whom are well past 30 and injury-prone and the other of whom is Gorkys Hernandez, who was supposed to be a fourth OF, tops? And then say with a straight face that your back-up OFs are Kelby Tomlinson (not an OF) and Jae-Gyun Hwang (REALLY, really not an OF)?
There’s a saying: “Stress makes you stupid.” (OK, I made up the saying.) Let’s just assume Evans is under stress right now.
I’ve always thought that pressure brings out character and smarts OR exposes its absence.
Keeping Gillaspie up here for late inning PH duties seems like all it accomplishes is an erosion of his skills at 3B.
Shaw 7 for his last 34, 0 hrs, 16 K’s. Call him up!
That’s pretty funny. 7 for 34. Avg .205
im glad this is happening he’s not ready yet
That run down is depressing. No wonder the Giants minor league teams have the worst combined records in the minors.
Now with Bird having surgery (and local press has mentioned that he has fallen out of favor with the Yankees org), I would not be surprised if the Yanks don’t kick the tires on Belt.
Just makes too much sense. Other say Alonso a cheaper option, but really the guy made the ASG just like Nunez did last year, having a career start of the season. Nice story but not a great defensive 1B and nothing tells us he will continue his hitting.
I’m not a Belt fan of course, but he can help the Yanks defense and the biggest point is that any hitting he provides (between all the strikeouts of course lol) is simple gravy. They would not rely on him, which we know he can’t handle pressure.
They’ll boo him out of the Bronx when they finally realize this guy takes a lot of called 3rd strikes! Guys who leave SF are somewhat coddled to the point of babied and they have a difficult time in east coast cities including the panda!
They’ll cheer his 30+ pops into those RF bleachers, Slikk!
As an old Phillies fan from my youth, I can back up your claim. East coasters are much more punitive fans if you’re an under performer. Panda got so used to adulation out here that it must have surprised him when Boston fans lost their patience so fast.
I was probably too hard on Moore last night. He did certainly pitch better. No doubt.
Yet.
It’s clear to me he is wallowing in a puddle of self doubt. His confidence is so shaky, that when he underhanded that balloon, I KNEW that he would lose the next few batters and the lead would be gone. The air was drained out of him and the team.
This season is just tremedously bad, and that error seemed to be a nut kick to the team…then it went into Going Thru The Motions yet again.
Bad team. When one bad thing happens, it seems to fall apart.
…and he can’t bunt for shit.
It seems odd to me that a guy that’s in his prime years still looks like the game is moving too fast for him
Somebody said it last night. He hasn’t been playing real baseball for years… he’s been in the AL.
Well, AL or not, he did have an RBI single (before the AB where he bunted into the DP). So there’s that.
I noticed that, during the bottom of the third inning when they were doing the replay review on Panik’s slide at the plate, Josh Tomlin’s pitch count was 19.
Nineteen. Two batters into the THIRD inning. What does that tell you about the kinds of ABs they were taking?
That’s another nit the size of a boil: the hitting approach for this team is nothing like the opponents, ever.
They swing early, but passive at the same time…not sure that describes it well. I like the kid Gomez because he swings it like it matters.
… on the first pitch.
Not much of an approach (as it is defined on winning teams).
I don’t mind having “a guy” with that approach (I’m thinking “Good Pablo”) because it can set an aggressive tone and shows an attack mode that this team is currently lacking. I know it’s a fine line – watching Pence and his Air Attack on pitches 14′ outside may be categorized as “aggressive”, but not exactly what one would hope for
Pence hasn’t changed though since his Phillies days. He’s always been vulnerable to outside breaking balls. They break his swing down.
His Whiffer is on steroids
I’m not really mad at Gomez. He’s a kid and should have gone up with the pitching coach’s advice in his ear. It was a situation. His PC should have talked about situational hitting for just a moment.
That fool had thrown only 70 pitches going into the bottom of the 7th or something close to that when i heard it on the radio i was mesmerized!
They were taking Peter’s advice and everyone was swinging at the first pitch!
Sort of a “get it over with as soon as possible” approach?
Great post!
They certainly mailed it in on offense. The top 4 guys in our batting order went 1 for 16. This game just reiterated one of the themes of 2017 i.e., no comeback potential after those “nut kicks”. It’s like we start sending sleepwalkers up to home plate.
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Greek … I went to your new post and Disqus is doing wheelies on me again where I couldn’t up vote or reply to posts at all. Usually, just to get to the threads I have to click on the article title, click on home, and then click on the article title once again. Also, when I get email notification of a reply and I want to respond it’s a crapshoot whether or not clicking on “Reply to XXX” gets me under the right post. Disqus gives us TWG so I’m grateful it’s there but the technology seems capricious.
The Giants are starring in a new HBO series called “Game of Woes”.
If any game could be considered a summary of 2017 it was last night’s game. Other posters have talked about “Going Though the Motions” and last night we sent up sleepwalkers to bat after the 3rd run. What did we have, like one single in the last five innings and with no count-working at all?