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Greek Giant
Tonight’s Game: Padres (41-54) Vs Giants (37-60) at Willie Mays Field, 7:15 PM
Trevor Cahill (4-3, 3.14) Vs. Jeff Samardzija (4-11, 4.86)
The Padres have beaten the Giants 15 times out of the last 20. If that’s not rock bottom I don’t know what is.
Jeff Samardzija is the poster child for old-school metrics dudes and dudettes like me. His FIP is pretty good. His FIP+ is supposedly very good but his ERA is 4.86. His record speaks for itself, often pitching just well enough to lose close games. Like MadBum his last two outings, Smarge will look dominant for a couple innings before surrendering the long ball that decides the game. It’s ugly. If you pitch 6 dominant innings but give up two dingers and 4 runs in 7 total innings, you did not pitch well in my book.
It may be time to blow up (i.e. trade) the Giants pitching staff, keeping only MadBum and that’s it…..
Five Questions
- Should Smarge shave his goatee?
- Is Denard Span having a good year?
- Is Hunter Pence in decline or just having a bad streak of three years?
- Is Smarge on the trading block?
- Should the Giants promote Chris Shaw in November?
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Breckeroni says here are the Giants Pre Game Notes
http://mlb.mlb.com/documents/5/3/4/227668534/05.01.17_vs._LAD_Game_Notes_ijt904m8.pdf
This Date in Giants History: May 1, 2013 The Giants completed a three-game sweep of the Diamondbacks with a come-from-behind 9-6 win…Brandon Belt hit a three-run homer off David Hernandez in the 8th inning to put the Giants ahead for good….
The Latrines Pregame Notes http://mlb.mlb.com/documents/4/7/4/227669474/Dodgers_Daily_Notes_5.1.17_y1ul793s.pdf
Ain’t that Brett Pill?
Think so. If it’s not, it’s Roger Kieschnick.
Yup
He took Kershaw deep if i remember correctly
1. Highly likely at end of season; check again at end of May for during 2017 season.
2. His health.
3. I think and hope so.
4. 88
5. If consistent and good (my expectation) stays in rotation; otherwise long relief and spot starter if regular starters stay healthy.
No worries. Gork will hit for the cycle.
WHERE might the not to recent good old days gone, where a lanky – DJ LeMahieu-type Country Boy named Brandon Hicks – from Texas vs Opie Kershaw and Josh Beckett would take care of ‘Bidness’.
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/6479266/v32802641
http://m.mlb.com/video/v32721215/?query=%2BBrandon%2BHicks
Who goes DEEP off of Kershaw tonight? I will say MM38
Does warning track count as deep?
Correction: Who hits a HR off Opie tonight.
Brisbee answers the ?, ‘who the heck is Bryan Morris?’
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/5/1/15508134/sf-giants-bryan-morris-neil-ramirez
That looks like Brett Pill in photo .
See somebody, already guessed Pill down below .
Where – with Flan = YUP
PLAY THE OLD FARTS, GODDAMMIT !!!
Drew Stubbs CF
Juan Ciriaco SS
Chris Marrero LF
Aaron Hill 2B
Michael Morse 1B
Conor Gillaspie 3B
Gorkys Hernandez RF
Nick Hundley C
I had to recall Chris, the guy got a raw deal. Juan has never played in the bigs. I don’t understand why- he’s had 14 years to get there. And Jake will be here by game time to face down the overrated Kershaw.
Go you old coots, bring it home for Grandpa!!!!
I miss Ramiro Peña……
You know ,those old peckerheads might take 1 or 2….
this month
Now Ramiro really did a raw deal. He got injured in late July, I believe. Missed his shot at maybe making the PS roster. I think that he’s playing in Japan and building his bomb shelter now.
I don’t see PTBNL on your roster.
Mr Scott’s players can’t afford to wait too long to be named.
Warm night at Vin Scully Field at Dodger Stadium tonight….
4 HRs tonight…..
Sunny
82°F
Precipitation: 0%
Humidity: 22%
Wind: 7 mph
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3005a3751ba849c47aaedcf93afc1002cd56ba683fbec5e42d2d9f6415c69748.jpg
Any HR for los gigantes?
Jay Johnstone Park
Rick Ankiel, and beating the ‘Yips’.
http://www.npr.org/podcasts/381444908/fresh-air
Been having a swell day so i sd to myself Mario why don’t you check in on the Bad News Bears i mean the Giants and lo and behold the first name i see there is Gorks! Not good folks!
I like having Morse’s bat in the lineup. But I worry he can do more damage defensively at 1st base than in LF. There is just so much action at 1st base and many of the plays are crucial . Easier to hide him in LF. Anybody feel the same?
The Giants do not feel the same, and that is all that matters .
Bench. He’s a liability anywhere on the grass.
1) not necessarily. Too early to determine
2) it is, and should be, HIS call. Lifetime pass.
3) Not on the first of May…. when/if the horses are healthy.
4) also too early to call, but 86 or so usually does it
5) it will be a much different team by then…who knows. We’ll cross that bridge with a dirt bike
Enjoy.
Bob Nightengale dissects the Mets pitching system. It’s polite, but it isn’t pretty.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2017/05/01/mets-noah-syndergaard-latest-pitcher-injured-system-s-flawed/101177662/
Good article.
how the Mets treat pitchers is akin to how many fans on here want the Giants to run the marathon…as a sprint , every pitch.
Oh, I’m frustrated ( mostly by the hitting approach and some general poor play), but I differ with many on the answer.
This team needs players on the field every day that include Crawford, Posey, Panik, Belt, Pence…and 3 other guys that are better than who are out there now. Then, they need the next level subs to be legitimate MLB level. And..then the pitching.
I’m mostly frustrated the WAY they are performing. They should be much better.
Going the “Mets way” doesn’t work….sorry I got way off track on the article
Is the article about how the Mets break pitchers? That’s old news, unless, they reveal what their secret is.
Read the darn article, then read this.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/20170425-lysosomes-gene-regulation-signaling/
I never take a test without a crib sheet and advance scouting.
What about motility?
or skates and large numbers.
3-4 hitters for Gs zero extra base hits since wait 4 it April 10
Bochy the painfully wise and even more painful patient skipper is going to give Gorkys the same amount of latitude he gave Cassila last year. It’s just how the abundant Bochy rolls.
Does that mean he’s going to play until the Giants are undeniably out of it?
“the same amount of latitude he gave Cassila(sic) last year.”
You know that isn’t true.
Just for giggles and stuff..
Melancon 10 Games ,5 Saves,7 SVO 71% 1.241 WHIP
Casilla 10 Games, 2 Holds, 4 Saves, 5 SVO 80%, 0.80O WHIP
1. Yes
2. He will leave his job, whenever that happens, on his own terms
3. No
4. 88
5. I could see Samardzija being moved to the bullpen–but if Cueto’s traded about then, logjam solved. If Blach keeps pitching like he has been, he’s in the rotation to stay.
now i’m nowhere near as smart as some of you guys, ok fine, all of you guys, but i refuse to believe that our team is this bad. april was a perfect storm of injuries, slumps, and bad breaks. is buster really going to have 3 ribs a month for the whole year, and end the season with 18?
let’s give it one more month. let’s get bcraw35 back, and have him and the kid together on the left side for few weeks. nunez is starting to come out of his slump, and pence can’t hit like he’s been for much longer. even w/o bum, the starters will be solid. the bull pen has to find their way, but it’s time for our mgr., and coaches to do what they do.
i’m sure that brother E, and the rest of the half empty crowd think i’m nuts. “he’s a pie in the sky, pollyanna, that idiot from the big apple is”. that’s cool. i’ve been called worse, by better. besides, i’ve got nothing really to do for the next 5 months, so i might as well keep rooting for the boys by the bay, and see what happens.
Nice post- the “Board of Directors” will hate it,
These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.
Hey, your guy Duvall hit his 8th HR and has his average back up to .250.
I had no idea Matt Kemp was off to such a great start in ’17: .339/.361/.763, 6 HRs, 16 RBIs.
Rihanna in another zipcode??
On a pace for 51-52.
Game 27… Juan Day. Our Dominican Dandy….and we have our new age version going tonight. Maybe….just maybe
Newage! Rhymes with sewage.
Arghhhh…Fallon Smith is screaming at me.
I go with KNBR for pre- and post-game stuff. I really don’t care much for the new NBCSBA format and people involved.
Adam Duvall 3 run HR ,where is Ryan with the update, 8 HRs , 20 RBI, .576 SLG%
Who needs a Ryan when we have Peter?
The Giants now have 17 HRs, total. Even though he’s no longer here, unfortunately, I think Duvall has had a significant impact on the 2017 Giants season. The last thing the front office wanted was to get burned again on a younger guy who wasn’t given a chance. I believe that was a major reason why Williamson/Parker was the plan in LF. Unfortunately, neither of those guys had Duvall’s track record in the minors. In the end, Williamson/Parker might’ve have also been a mistake, just in the opposite way.
1. yes but later than we think
2. boch will leave on his own term sooner rather than later
3. my mind says no. my heart says yes
4. 89
5. mad bum might not return this season….
I just learned from Kuiper that Kristen Arroyo is at shortstop tonight
That’s correct, and Christian is playing third
Lighten up, he’s still undergoing ice cream, cookie sandwich withdrawl.
Does mlb.tv no longer allow selection of feed? Got no choice but LA tv… yuk.
Hmmm, I got to choose the away feed.
They also eliminated the full boxscore below the screen on mlb.tv a couple days ago. I switched to Safari and got the old (normal) feed on mlb.com
.
I watching local/K&K.
I’ve got both here.
Reload
Tried that – ain’t gonna listen to Charlie Steiner. No suerte.
Computer or Apple TV etc.?
Computer.
License and registration boys.
https://i.imgur.com/Z2X1hnE.png
Two-strike hit off Kershaw? Good job, kid.
This Arroyo kid has no respect.
Kershaw who?
HUNTER PENCE ! ! !
BOOM!
shaka-laka-laka! Boom shaka-laka-laka!
So far I like the May 2017 Giants.
What a start to the month!
8 more for bullpen safety margin.
Enjoying the game so far, but there’s this consistent high-pitched tone that I’m only hearing on this channel. WTF.
Before that, Pence had a .100 slg vs CK in 70 ab’s.
I was really afraid of a perfect game against us tonight. Thank God for The Kid and The Reverend! 🙂
Philly over the Cubs 7-0 in the 2nd. This may be an odd night.
It would have been nice if the Phillies had actually shown up to play against the Dodgers in the last series.
The Rockets are crushing the Spurs 55-29, mid 2nd.
Of course ginger boy would have a ginger boy remix as his walk-up song. So original.
Ok Cueto, get your crap together please!
Throw a fng strike Cueto
1. Cueto not going anywhere if he continues to suck.
…not going anywhere for the next five years.
Exactly.
LOL @Morse
Where’s Bob? This guy is a hazard.
Bob don’t hit Opie.
But he makes a double play and is not a liability on defense.
I know.
Did you try signing out and totally reloading MLB TV?
Yes. No luck.
Do you have a swimming pool?
Yes. And now I’m ready to throw myself into it.
Try a total computer restart and then a re-sign-in to MLB.
I know. You did already.
I didn’t but I will.
But I took your advice and tried it on my teevee – no problema.
I hate fkg technology.
How do you say Luddite in Spanish?
Pendejo.
Is THAT what it means?
No – literally, it’s ‘pubic-hair.’
So, Luddite is pronounced “pubic hair” in Spanish but spelled Pendejo. Wow, Spanish is a funny language. I never knew and took it for two years in HS.
Ayup!
This team is between a serious rock and hard place…
I’m looking really hard on something to blame this horrible start on. I’m down to what kind of beer I’m drinking and when I crack it.
Hehe, did he forget how to throw? That was downright comical.
That wasn’t a great throw by Morse, but Nunez made it look even worse. He’s dreadful over there.
True
He’s dreadful at every position
Miller said the throw hit Seager in the cheek… which cheek?
Butt cheek
A man born to be a DH!
He can’t even hit.
Good start to the game from Brownie
1 for 1 tonight (off Kershaw). It is too bad he can’t be allowed on the grass (Bapah quotation).
I thought you meant Nunez. My bad
It hit Seager…
Nooner’s glove was out of position. Had it turned wrong.
To be fair, it bounced off Seager’s butt – hard to anticipate that.
If it had been a good throw it would have hit him in the head.
Obviously Morse didn’t clear but I wonder if Nuñez flashed him the clear prior to the throw.
The throw hit the runner in the butt. Nunez is a butcher but that wasn’t on him.
Those two are a scary combination on defense.
would have been an easy DP if bob was at 1st. would’ve saved a run..
Yup. But he’s not. Oh, well
That was all on Morse — he needs to have a pre-pitch routine with what he is going to do. Grandal is slow so he should have moved to give himself an angle and throw to second first and still get Grandal at first. By touching first he put the tag play on which basically assured that the fast Toles would score before they tagged Seager.
To compound the mental error he made a terrible throw that hit the runner.
Perhaps, but his momentum was headed to his right, as it should be as he moved off the bag on the pitch…then had to reach back with that big body awkwardly up get the grounder, with all momentum right back to first base…he also knows he doesn’t have a Belt arm.
That was no gimme DP at all.
Stubbs is due for a big hit.
Maybe next time.
Maybe back in Sac?
Probably 3Ks tonight
Well we could have used Panik at the plate instead of Nunez last inning.
Stubbs and Belt must be two of Kershaw’s fav players. A combined 46 K’s in 89 ab’s.
That is some serious ugly.
so smart
With his talent its a lethal combination.
Smart play
Bellinger says I’ll see you your single Arroyo and raise you a double.
Belt catches that.
Mr. Lefty said the same thing.
This blog has Beltzophrenia
Cueto was not backing up third base. Can’t happen.
Hey Utley, get in the fucking box.
Now get in the fucking dugout.
That last pitch was a thing of beauty.
Sit down.
don’t lose concentration here
That hurts
0-2 to Kershaw
Aaaaand we’re back to where we started.
Not really. I was born in Kansas.
Cueto has been such a disappointment this year. Two-out RBI hit to the pitcher. Disgusting.
He is not sharp tonight, that’s for sure.
Buster Posey I love my 0-2 fastball !!
So repetitively ridiculous.
We knew you would blame Posey.
Cueto is pitching poorly all year. That was totally on him. Your Posey pitch calling ignorance is a pain
and if he hit a change up he’d say why did you speed up his bat!!
So Posey deserves credit on successful pitches, but the bad ones are all on the pitcher?
And Bochy gets all the credit for the championships, but if things go poorly, it’s because “the players didn’t execute” or “the GM gave him a bad roster.” So you see how it goes.
I think pitching is on the pitcher. A catcher’s impact is marginal. I just get tired of the inconsistency.
Yep
Did I give credit? You’re absurd right along with Peter. All he ever does is blame Posey when any pitcher misses location, makes bad pitches, gets crushed. I get it from him, but you should st leash know the game a little better….then again, you’re anti-Buster.
Please find us a “great pitch call” post. We happen to watch differently, without that anticipation to find fault in what certain target players do.
You’ve made many comments about the greatness of particular pitch calls by Posey. I think it’s way overblown. Pitchers pitch. The credit or blame is theirs.
On 0-2 pitches, he is so predictable, never calls for balls in the dirt , does not want to have to block balls in the dirt, that’s hard work .
That is the most foolish post you have ever, ever posted…and THAT, my friend, is saying a lot.
Our Gold Glove catcher is too lazy to block pitches. LOL
That is flat out asinine and you know it.
I’ll bet good money he doesn’t know it.
That was all on Cueto. A month ago I was feeling sad that he’d probably opt out. Now I’m really worried that he won’t.
Pattern with all Giant Pitchers, Posey calls so many high fastballs on 0-2 pitches and the Giants have been burned many times .
Cuetos pitch count is climbing.
When your remaining ace gives up a 2 strike, 2 out hit to the opposing pitcher, your issues continue
we needed a sharp cueto tonight. didn’t show up
Has he this season yet? “I want to pitch in the AL” karma season
Cueto’s agent is recalcuating…opting in now starting to look much better.
32-year-old with ERAs over 5 don’t opt out of a guaranteed $88 million remaining. Remember how Shields got an opt-out in his contract? He didn’t opt out.
I’m trying to figure out if this is reverse good news…but this season has me so confused, I have no idea
Long run, it could be good news. I don’t believe he’s suddenly washed up after how good he was last year.
Cueto not opting out would be bad news.
Gimme a break.
It would mean he didn’t pitch well, and they’d still be on the hook to him for $84 million.
I’d still want him on my team.
the player opt out can’t be good for the team
It’s really 100% skewed toward the player.
Meh, Good AB nonetheless. Got some pitches out of him
9?
Something like that.
Battling Boyo Christian Arroyo
Arroyo the Boyo? That has possibilities.
What about d-roy.
Even if it sounds like something a William Frawley or William Demarest character would say in an old cops and robbers movie
Nice AB by Posey.
I was about to say Posey is due
I thought Posey had a very focused look about himself this AB.
Me too
Warning track power
Atta babe Posey.
Great pitch call, Grandal!!!!!!!!!
Maybe Agon called it from 1st base.
Woohoo
OUTTA HERE
Priceless expression from Opie!!
Thank you Mr. Posey
Peter said it was Grandal’s fault, not Posey’s bat
Can’t believe Posey called that pitch. Idiot.
Love how Kershaw knows it’s gone. Never gets old
hey PJ..put that in your pipe and smoke it
PJ doesn’t smoke or take drugs. Unlike everyone on here. A bunch of drug addled, flag burning hippies.
Whoaaaa, duuuuude
Knew it.
I am Mr clean Baby , never touch the stuff
Dammit. I was so close.
Kershaw is showing a bit of vulnerability this season. That was the 6th HR he’s allowed in 38 1/3 innings. Over the last few seasons, he’s stayed pretty consistent at about one HR every 18 innings.
I can’t remember him ever using 62 pitches to get through 3 innings against us.
His pitches certainly look up in the zone to me. And his sequences seem a tiny bit more predictable. I honestly think he worked much better with Ellis
It’s never been the catcher. It’s always been Kershaw.
“He worked better with Ellis” is Kershaw. Fragile dude who gets off his game …check out his tantrum when the mascot bugged him.
Or when the opposing pitcher was two minutes late out of the bullpen.
I guess his fragility is why he’s been so up and down in his career.
Hello, October.
Yep–overamped, maybe. Or maybe the heavy workload catches up with him. His biggest playoff meltdowns have come around the seventh inning.
I honestly think he is, by far, the greatest pitcher in the game this era….and is as good as his mind let’s him be.
It might be a similar phenomenon to Bumgarner, who gives up too many HRs for how good he is. Throws strikes, always around the plate, very self-confident. He admitted after Bum took him deep for the second time that he’d been arrogant.
Except that Kershaw has always thrown strikes, but previously didn’t give up many HRs.
how about a shut down inning johnny?
What are those?
that thing kershaw has done twice
there ya go.
Keep it up, Steve…
Thank you, Santa!
just gotta ask amigo mio
Ok. Will do.
Cueto is getting hit hard today.
And on several other days this year.
Stubbs is a good CF. Damn I wish he could hit.
It’s nice to see a good defensive play in CF…haven’t seen that since…Blanco? Torres? No, I know–Juan Perez doing Spider-Man a couple years go.
I thought the same thing. Span or Gorks? No way.
The one time Span made a good play, he got broken. 🙁
He used to do it for the Nats, but that was one ice-age ago.
Even with a good jump that ball sails over Span’s glove.
“GIants fans are going to grow to love Stubbs”…easy, Krukow….easy.
‘He’s got one of those ‘point-guard, wide-reciever, cfer bodies.”
One that hits like a point-guard, wide-reciever…
Helluva pitch to Turner
Was that a cutter? I don’t even know if he has one.
Looked like a changeup to me. Had a sick dip
That was 88. His changeups range between 80-84
Oh I see what you mean, the Gamecast has it as a cutter.. Didn’t know the pitch was that fast but in any case, it was a nice pitch that he should use as a wipeout pitch more
If Stubbs could just hit .250….
I would take .100
He’s hittng .130.
Well…. .105 now, so my foreshadow is looking solid
Jinx.
Just one hit and he’ll fly by Gorks on the interstate.
Actually, Gorkys is swinging much better these days
one pitch
That’s Nunez for you. Include Stubbs in that one as well.
we should get a hitting coach
A third one!
And a pitch calling coach. Peter Johnson, white courtesy phone.
The AAA hitting coach, Andy Skeels, is with the team tonight because Steve Decker’s father passed away. Skeels is the first New Zealand native ever to suit up for a MLB game.
We should keep him. He’s bringing the homers tonight
Deck’s a very good coach.
I’m just joking.
I realize, but most folks don’t know him very well.
He did the Haka dance around the bats before the game.
Bingo Stubbs
“O 64….Bingo!!!!”
Did you see Cueto hit the HPU in the butt with his glove?
That was pretty funny.
Gettin’ playful.
Cueto looks to have found his rhythm. I wanna see him retire another 12 in a row.
Anybody know how old Bellinger is? He doesn’t look like a baby like Arroyo looks like a baby.
21, almost 22 I think.
Thank you
No problemo.
Prototype leadoff hitter.
In A ball.
You’re like a mouse that just can’t resist the cheese.
Grumpy Mouse
Way to go Gorkys. Making something happen.
I wonder if Kershaw likes the wave….
The 2 things I hate most about the Dodgers, besides everything I mean… beach balls and the wave. Dodgers Suck!!!
Goddamn, I love Arroyo’s approach.
“In A ball”
Let’s keep the theme going
He ain’t ever going back to the minors.
Yay Yo!
This has to be the most runs we’ve scored against him. Ever
That’s so effin awesome.
Epic at bat from Arroyo facing down Kershaw. So impressive
Arroyo is fun!
Boyo barrels it! That’s good!
Arroyo’s not ready.
Not for A Ball.
Boyo: Can we face Kershaw often?
Blach: Can I pinch-hit?
New hitting coach: Christian Arroyo
His Mom perhaps.
Rowrrrrrrr
I might have to take it back. How many options does Arroyo have left?
His only option is to hit the ball hard
Pence and Posey have two home runs each– both hit them as the same game as each other. The Sunday game at San Diego and tonight. Big difference when you get two home runs in a game.
is asking for one more shut down inning being greedy?
No
Nah. I asked for him to retire another 12 in a row.
Only 9 to go.
Steve “K stands for Kaiser” Roll!
i must be butter
“steve” in Spanish means brisket.
attababe
Morse’s turn….
Way to go, Mel Kiperhew.
I blame Allen “Wide Reciever” Porter
Cueto hasn’t gotten one of those.
Now Porter is going Lt. Drebbin
Dude, it’s Enrico Palazzo.
Belt should now replace Morse.
He will.
There he is. Do you think anyone would notice if they snuck Crawford in, too?
if only..he’s sorely missed
Nooner!!!
NUNEZ SAW 7 PITCHES AND DOUBLED!
** faint**
****thud*****
Did you drop the mic first?
Still a helluva AB, Joe.
Allen Porter!!
HEY! It’s Edgardo Alfonso, pal.
One scoring idiosyncrasy that I don’t like: Kershaw committed an error on Gorkys bunt. It’s an unearned run when he came around to score. But…it was on “the pitcher”….I mean…oh, well
That pitch was a strike..
Baby steps
Get in the box turner
Was Turner moving closer and closer to the plate as the AB went on?
I think that’s what Cueto might have been chatting about ( I sound like Krukow all the sudden)
Cueto back to opting out.
It’s a fluid situation. Luckily, the blog will keep me up to date.
DUVALL!!!!!
He’s on my fantasy team so I don’t miss a beat with him. Between that and the blog, I’m knee deep in Adam. Which sounds like a bad porn.
I was worried that inning. Steve k was out back hitting on the bong with a Peter and forgot to mention a shutdown inning…
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/61b9c545c0cec8945a71df0e5d94048c2d1421dce6f13855a77dc23c2678bde5.jpg
“High drive!!”
Weird seeing Romo without the high socks.
Socks?!?!? I still have mound vertigo based on that ugly color of uni
What’s with the K zone now. The HP ump wants to hit up sunset soon?
Gary Coleman is one seriously blind ump
Is there anyway to get pitch=cast on MLBTV the way Pitch f/x used to be?
This part of the Dodgers order scares me….
Nooner
That was terrible, You had all day, Ballet Boy
Make it stop
I HATE him at SS….
Me too. Stick him in LF tomorrow and put Arroyo or KT there.
Stay inside to Bellinger
Nunez yesterday….it better not be Nunez today
That was a very very good play by Bellinger.
Playing the game right. Shouldn’t be remarkable
Do the Giants do it?
belt could hit 50 points higher if he did it once in a while
You just made my point
Yeah, the blog would love it if Belt bunted so they could rag on him not being the power guy they are paying him to be
Belt?
He should be doing the same thing.
Glad to see him on defense.
Why is Morris even up?
Bruce collecting AARP points for Denny’s
Because Romo is on deck?
Lol — Bochy gets Morris up. Yeah good time to use your 8th reliever.
Utley …. Just the guy the Dodgers want up
Can’t overlook him in this situation.
He’s a DP waiting to happen.
Siddown, Buttley
Huuuge K!!
Imagine the Dodger blog on Utley.
Grab some pine. NOt rewarded for taking strike 3 this time
Thanks Nunez
Here comes the trusty pen. We got this
Nope
Not so fast
Never mind! Bruce is like “Nope”
Cueto should have only given up one run tonight — that is why stats don’t tell the whole story. You have to watch the game.
Nunez should never, ever play SS
he should be right behind posey on the ss depth chart
Melancon BS yesterday is on him too.
I want Arroyo on 3rd forever. None of your BS. He plays SS or bring back KT.
I’d take Roger Metzger and his nubs over Nunez
But…but… he was supposed to replace… oh nevermind.
Did Tomlinson go down? All he did was hit while up. Get rid of Morris before Bochy brings him in while they are ahead.
No, he’s still with the Giants…hitting .571.
Cueto will get out of this. Giants need to tack on some insurance runs in the eighth.
Toles scares the crap out of me.
Taylor is not supposed to beat Cueto in the clutch. Just isn’t
Didn’t see that hit coming
Cueto pitched a great game on a good night to hit.
Come on Johnny! You can do this!!!
Nunez gotta get credit for that one.
Johnny told Bruce they’d have to drag him off the mound like that doctor on the United flight.
May he come away less bruised
And if they did, I doubt he’d cry like that guy.
Hey, that guy’s my hero. The airlines are making a lot of customer-friendly changes after all the stink he caused. I fly a lot and it’s going to make my life better. You go, Dr. Dao!
good thing bob was there
Seriously
Does Morse make that play?
you tickle me one two
He started his MLB career as a SS !
So did Kevin Mitchell.
we need more runs to win this game. at least one
Well, I’m gonna say this now. Regardless of the outcome, it has been one hell of a game so far.
Eff that. Win or it sucks
Actually, you’re right. Screw those feelings 7 minutes ago.
I LOVE Joe West!
1st walk of his MLB career for Arroyo. Save that ball!
Dude has Osich-Kickham Syndrome lately. C’mon kid
NOBODY screams at routine fly outs quite like your average Dodgers fan
Brilliant
Well done, Okert. Well done. Sets up the stage for Melancon
*Okert
Oops.
Easy to mix up
For the record I told GG before the Turner at bat that I was not in favor of Okert pitching to him. Bochy is a genius
Turner has reverse splits, Bochy did his homework .
Posey called the perfect pitch
Is Osich with the Rivercats?
He is. It’s not going well.
Crick goofed up a BS in 8th tonight.
Two BB, a slew of hits, 4 runs.
Yep–and then the R’Cats rallied for a four spot in the top of the ninth! Tyler Rogers now trying to for the save.
The RiverCats made a great comeback!
…and that’s a wrap. Cats win 6-5
anyone have an EKG machine?
Nice inning, kid.
OKert is OK.
I even liked this kid in Scottsdale.
I’m at the game tonight. It’s a good one. Nachos. Beer. Hot dog. Pizza. Cotten Candy. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fe24f5511480d9b265e7376fa052d5d5f8c88c908afa68efab0230186cb70d9a.jpg
Gross. Can’t you ditch the awful little Dodger fan?
where is your eye patch?
You’re about as successful a role model as Charles Barkley….
Could have gotten plot ideas for horror movie last night.
At least we know that your TV is safe from becoming airborne.
Ummmm….we’re about to head to a save situation.
I vote for four runs in the top of the ninth.
Have to close this one out. Just can’t being losing this game.
Nunez with a good two strike adjustment.
Interesting….Okert get the first two?
Does that mean that you don’t trust your 16 mil guy or that he threw 2 many pitches yesterday?
Pitched 4 out of 5 days
/Bochy noises
Interesting development… Miller and Flem are baffled as to why Melanconn isn’t coming in to close it out, they’re speculating that he may be not well.
Wow!
Van Slyke will hit for Bellinger
Ok. 9th. Together we’re Masochists!
Wow — not going to have Melancon start the inning?? Usually $64M closers start innings. I think he got Bellinger last week too.
Hmm….
Any tension out there?
NOOO!
Come on Okert.
Not even warming up. Must be something wrong with him.
Pitched 4 of 5 days
I’m not sure why this is the day he is rested.
Because you can’t know that in advance when he had to pitch 4 o5 days
Fair enough.
Pitched a lot last week according to Kruk.
Law…no Melancon
“And the screams indicate another routine fly ball…Stubbs under it…one out.”
I don’t there’s an injury. It must be a lack of performance. As we saw last season, Bochy has no patience for closers that aren’t cutting it.
I think Okert could have gotten Lamb out every time in AZ late in the games if he hadn’t been in Sacramento while they preserved inventory for Neil Ramirez.
Giantcknifetwist
Okert gave up the homer to Schimpf in September.
Leave the kid in th…..
Never mind.
He got Turner out but just barely.
Great outing
Now we need this goofy ass kid to nail this down
I like DLaw too.
I really like this lefty
Who feels relaxed watching Law jog in to pitch to Puig?
ME. I believe in D-Law.
So there’s for sure nothing wrong with Melancon? I get that he’s pitched a lot lately but he can’t get one out tonight?
He couldn’t go more than 9 pitches when they really needed it
That’s all on Bochy
Strick hasnt earned this spot yet? But neither has, Law
Neither has Melancon
Don’t throw another hanger like the first pitch.
I kinda liked iit…stole a strike
I don’t think he was trying to throw a backup curve — I hate get in curveballs when only up one run bc if Puig is guessing breaking ball it could be a 400 ft mistake.
Com’on!
Bochy is a genius….
Law found 97.
STFD Puig
Damn, Law said F it and K’d him on 97mph heater
Watching Puig get blown away to end the game is pretty F’ing sweet.
EFF-YEAH! 97-mph heater!
Wow. Didn’t see that
Wow, an anticlimatic 9th protecting a 1 run lead. Who knew?
Bochy is wise.
Heck ya. Put it in the W column
Some homegrown bullpen talent there in the 8th and 9th. I love it.
As the late Pirates broadcaster Bob Prince would say “we had them all the way “
Good win. Good to see success.
Good start to May 2017.
What just happened?
Home grown pen lockin it down. And TWO home runs!
What year is this?
Party like it’s 2010
Well party more like it’s late May 2010 – July 2010 then September 2010 – November 2010.
I think Giants are thinking ahead. About trading Malechon. Want to see what they have
You’re good luck. Go every game
I’m going Wed night too.
Is Joe Nathan available?
At Syracuse WASH AAA with a 9.53 ERA in 7 games.
Some actual offense. Nice game. See you soon, folks.
how sweet it was!! nice staying up late with you guys. happy may day, and g’nite
Kaiser! Roll!
Sleep well…see you tomorrow. I guess it IS tomorrow where you are.
yep..nite doc
Okert…. so charismatic….
That’s okay. He’s paid to play not to charm us….only on the pitching mound.
Poor Okert has no sense of humor.
He’ll get plenty of props for that appearance.
He pitched great but had no idea Kuiper was joking about the save at first. I thought I was watching Bull Durham with all the cliches.
Wow Melancon told the pen he couldn’t go today. I guess it’s good that he was honest?
If he had just taken yesterday off too — :).
Same with Nunez.
What do you mean ? Based on the results he did.
I know — the backup catcher curse strikes the Giants again. They can’t get backup catchers out.
it’s like Hector has become Rene Rivera!
Pulled a Rickey Henderson, told his manager that he was mentally unavailable.
Funny you mentioned him since today’s the anniversary of breaking Lou Brock’s record.
I prefer to remember Nolan Ryan’s seventh no-hitter later that night! 🙂
Whoa, didn’t realize that. Love Rickey. Still lives in the east bay. A friend of mine ran into him a year ago at an upscale supermarket near Rockridge BART station, said he was really cool.
I’m good luck so I’m going Wed night too.
1. Sure is nice to be able to hit one out once in a while when station to station isn’t working.
2. Big $$ to Melancon or not, I don’t mind Okert starting the 9th if someone like AGon is coming up.
3. Speaking of Okert, why wasn’t he on the opening day roster? Getting tired of hearing “inventory” when that inventory is getting DFA’d within a month.
3) Bochy and the FO screwed up coming out of ST. But give them credit. They’re starting to figure it out.
Definitely true. This is the earliest I recall them making such moves.
As soon as they starting listening to the TWG, right?
I was screaming about he move when they didn’t have him to pitch to Lamb. It was idiotic to leave him off the 25 once Smith went down. Blach is not a reliever.
I just want them to go with the best 25, something I believe they don’t do enough. I understand there are exceptions, but guys like Ramirez shouldn’t be a reason for one.
He’s here now.
Just win the next 8 games of this road trip and we’re 18-17. Boom. Problems solved.
Sheeesh, get a grip Kersh. Drama queen.
https://twitter.com/brooksknudsen/status/859274752480788481
I like this pic. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0209506ddafcfe7cf0570ae06d703be99d55318bfd5106ef299ab117d5afaef0.jpg
Good but still not as awesome, IMHO, as the one he hit off of Latos in Game 5 of the 2012 NLDS.
Posey hit a good pitch — great picture.
Some people may say the same about our lovable MadBum.
We would all hate Mad Bum if he was on the Dodgers but he isn’t. :). It is like Draymond Green as well —
I’ve never seen Bum have a tantrum on the mound when someone beat him fair and square. I’ve seen Kershaw do it a number of times. Very tightly wound guy.
Yes but Bum throws tantrums when opposing players get mad at themselves for popping a ball up. They are both wound pretty tight out there.
He has. There was a game in his first few years in the majors and he gave up some runs (against the Cubs?). It wasn’t a meltdown tantrum like I’ve seen with other pitchers, but he was screaming into his glove in anger.
He’s always cool, calm and collected…unless someone looks at him. But you have to admit, everyone gets irate if they’re looked at. It’s very offensive.
http://www.barstoolsports.com/baseball/madison-bumgarner-picked-a-fight-with-yasiel-puig-for-like-the-50th-time-last-night/
I hate it when someone even thinks about someone else’s friend of a friend looking at me.
And he always stays calm when someone beats him fair and square:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dOJ8YhoxWIo
Baggarly had an interesting post about that incident last night. At the time, Baggs went on a diatribe about how selfish Bumgarner had been in that game. He recanted it yesterday, saying that he “came to understand” that Bum was trying to fire up his listless team, and noting that even though the bullpen coughed up that particular game late, the Giants did go on to win 8 of their next 12, which was enough to get them barely into the playoffs.
I actually don’t think either explanation is true. I think Bum is also tightly wired and was pretty frustrated by that point in the season–by eight blown leads by the bullpen in his starts, by the lack of run support (it was 1-0 Giants when that happened; there was an earlier game vs. the Cubs that they won 1-0 and he drove in the only run; he lost 1-0 in Washington, etc.), and the demoralizing second-half collapse.
Bumgarner and Kershaw are both fierce competitiors who desperately want to win.
Kershaw was mad at himself. I don’t see a problem with that,
I guess $30 million a year will do that to you.
….so i watched a lil as i said earlier that i would do, then watched a lil more, until finally i watched it ALL.
fckn giants. lolol
I’m surprised the Giants could even field a team given all the trades made here last night!
Great night to be at the ballpark. Can’t wait to go Wed. Arroryo is the real deal. That boy can hit.
Maybe we have someone with some Kershaw ownage
Four guys: Boyo Arroyo, Posey (has more career hits off him than any other active player does), Blach, and Bumgarner.
New lucky shoes undefeated https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ea78d4301e1324dad76c888b54faf7729b3d92cdbbb281171493a2c93b76f23.jpg
Wear them again tonight. As a matter of fact, wear the same clothes too!
Duh!
Do you wash the underwear or use the same ones?
Teams will want Cueto at the deadline if the Giants still stink. He had been plagued by bad defense all year, still competes, and has 94-95 when he needs it.
His ERA should be much lower.
If the team stinks, ideally send him to an AL team where he wants to play. However Giants get a young OF prospect or MLB ready one please if Parker and Mac aren’t the answers.
I am surprised he wants to go to the AL as he had more success in the NL. Although the sample size in the AL was small
Maybe he hates hitting.
au contraire.
A tad early to be saying goodbye.
There is an “if they still stink” in my post. And it was a short post.
This was his best start of the year, I’d say.
No it shouldn’t. Cueto’s been lousy. 25% line drives and 36% hard-hit. He’s getting crushed.
Cueto dealing with a blister on this finger. Hope it doesn’t keep him down. We need him to be good so we get some much needed help at the trade deadline.
That’s the spirit- think of all you can get done until July 31. Take LONG walks with the dog. If you don’t have a dog, walk somebody else’s dog,Then you can get all bummed out when they don’t sell.
Nice night for Arroyo Grande. Hey, he drew his first walk of the MLB season. I was a bit worried about that, he likes to hack.
Sacramento Spark Plug Watch:
Orlando Calixte 2 for 5, RBI, K – .259 avg
Hwang 2 for 5 – .318 avg, yet to homer
Ryder Jones 2 for 5, 2B, RBI – like Arroyo, likes to hack
Austin Slater 2 for 4, K, SB (3) – .291 avg
Joan Gregorio 5.1 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 4 BB, 7 K – 1.95 ERA
Kyle Crick had a meltdown.
They just did a piece on the Warriors and what the nightlife is like in Utah vs LA. They asked Curry what he will do in Utah. He said that the snow is good and that he may hit the slopes, doing some snowboarding, riding a snowmobile, or riding his bike..then tipped his cap and sent a greeting to Madbum.
How about some love for Gorkys Hernandez whose bunt single wound up being the winning run
Damn straight. Making it happen did. Like my old HS coach would literally scream in our faces, put the pressure on the defense. Can’t win a ball game posing at the plate.
We always knew that he could do it!!
Well, maybe not so much. But how cool is it that a guy hitting .161 is WINNING the 4th OFer job?
conGrats Gorkys!
And look, Stubbs actually put his bat on the ball a couple times. One was hit sort of hard-ish,…he’s my player of the game.
I like our chances with Matt Moore tomorrow. I really do.
Should I book it?
I like any lefty’s chances against the Dodgers.
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Where did you find this? It looks like another MyGuyTool™.
In 26 games before tonight, the Giants have scored a lowly 6 runs in the first inning. Tonight makes 8. My take is we need to come out of the gate like a race horse instead of a turtle.
Swell game, yada yada ,yada….,
But I’m still thinking about the post game interview with Arroyo after hit the game winner the other day… That boy can TALK.I think that he was still talking when they went off the air. Put that tool in his arsenal.Baseball fame is fleeting, but a man of many words is forever. The kid is going places.
That’s my take.
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Great victory last night. Thanks to the TWG blog for holding the save after I couldn’t keep my eyes open any longer (end of 5th inning, 4-2, Cueto having pulled it together). Run support backing good pitching: that’s sort of a recipe.
Two days ago Lefty mentioned a ban of opposing team’s gear by the Snakes park. There’s a bit of that in this story,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/02/sports/soccer/soccer-fans-tottenham-cursing.html
Normally I’d never post a soccer story (yawn!), but that’s actually about the passion of pulling for your sports team, so it fits here.
Oh, tonight, Beat LA!!!
Some of the Giants wins:
4-3 (last night)
4-3 (Padres)
4-3 (Dodgers)
2-1 (Dodgers)
2-1 (Royals)
The Giants are like the bomb squad. They have to very gently cut the wires and defuse the bomb but if they mess up at all, there’s an explosion (and it’s not them).
On the bright side, Cueto may have a high ERA and a few other questions a drop in his velocity but he is 4-1.
He said in his postgame interview on TV last night that he’s been struggling with a blister since spring training. That might explain everything.
He gutted out 7 innings with that blister.
and in the process, seemed really shaky the first few innings. Bumgarner had a start like that too. The pro vets can figure out how to get outs with what they have that night.
And it really helps to score some early runs so the starter knows that a shutout isn’t mandatory for a win.
Perhaps since it’s May and as the weather warms up, so too will the bats. Score early, score often.
The starters have very often left the guys in the hole, this start is not just on the offense. They were scoring earlier when the starters had the worst ERA in the NL. And far too often, the starters didn’t just lose it, they went south faster than Gen, Sherman.
I don’t share the beat writers’ (incl. Brisbee) enthusiasm for Bum’s pitching. He evinces zero control of his curveball, and hitters are sitting on his FB, which is 90ish. No mucho bueno.
ok – this is in response to 3 months ago. I give up.
He settled down but we were lucky that some lasers were caught before he got it together,
Whats the easiest way to rid a blister i hv no idea!
There’s a protocol using New Skin that has worked for me for several years. But ignoring them is death to pitchers and slow healers.
thank you, I have never heard this prior. Explains a lot of what is going on.
………And the balls are wound tighter and he had as many as three blisters.
New Post kids
http://fe0.84e.myftpupload.com/2017-season/giants-vanquish-the-kershaw-behemoth-with-blasts-from-buster-and-full-throttle/
NOTE – 3 MONTHS AGO!!!
Is this another instance of Disqus having a mental breakdown?
Sandoval is apparently on a flight from Boston to SFO.
https://twitter.com/PavlovicNBCS/status/888528592899981312
http://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/article/Giants-pregame-Pablo-Sandoval-up-in-the-air-11306315.php&cmpid=twitter-premium
They’re really going to do this to us the fans, to the team, to the players, to the coaches, to San Francisco.
We’re having a group hug at Momo’s with Dr Phil and Dr. Drew. Actually in all seriousness, the answer is ‘Yes because they can’, and because Posey went public with this:
“We’ll welcome anybody who can help us win games,” Posey said. “It’s as simple as that. That’s what it’s about. It doesn’t matter who it is. If there’s somebody who can contribute and help us win games then yeah, you should be here. That’s ultimately what it boils down to. It’s that simple.”
And before others say “well what’d you expect them to say”, well Buster only says the little he’s ever wanted to say. (+ that retort is weak every time it’s used)
Something I don’t need is lectures from you about how wonderful this is. Because it isn’t.
Take it easy deeg. In a season like this, it means nothing.
If only this bad decision was only about this season.
It’s just another Mike Morse signing.
yeah, that worked out so well.
READ it again – it was not a lecture.
People could read most things you say several times and still be unsure of the meaning.
You are attempting to stay off the bottom rung of togetherweregiants by answering on behalf of an all time great poster (dgg) – who usually has problems with all your attempts at posting.
I’d like to look at your SJPD REPORTS.
Are they getting someone that’s going to help them win games? I hadn’t heard about that. Did it get lost in all the news about Sandoval?
If you haven’t already, take a look at Henry’s piece about this that I linked above. He offers some valuable perspective. Everything he says makes sense, at least as to why we shouldn’t worry too much about Sandoval’s return. He also acknowledges all the reasons why fans WOULD worry about it.
Okay, thanks Lefty. Thanks for understanding my upset about this. I had hoped the Giants FO would listen and respect Giants fans’ profound concerns and upset. I was holding onto that hope until I saw the photo of Sandoval in the airport in a comment on Hank’s twitter feed.
I don’t like it, either. The optics are terrible, and I thought the “lame and laughable” headline on Carl Steward’s piece nailed it. At the same time, I agree with Henry that Sandoval’s not going to block youngsters like Arroyo or Jones when they’re ready.
(And I know–so it raises the “Why?” question. The only answer seems to be “Well, why not?”)
When I was at the gym, it occurred to me that bringing Pablo back could be all about someone’s ego in the FO.
This morning Flan essentially called it a no risk, no reward scenario. No risk for the Giants, and given Pablo’s advanced metrics, probably no reward. But he said the ball was in Pablo’s court. Thought it was a fair assessment of the situation. I actually think there might still be a MLB hitter from the left side in Pablo, but he’s definitely a minus defender, just how minus I’m not sure.
The ball has always been in Pablo’s court. And chance after opportunity after another chance after boot camp and on and on, he’s dropped the ball. Now he can’t hit, he can’t run, he’s a below minus defender.
I can’t argue with you. I personally wouldn’t re-sign him but I won’t lose sleep over it.
You’re right about that, Jim.
I’m glad Alex posted these two photos side-by-side. What a jerk, lying and sneaking his way out of town. And now he returns, a lousy baseball player. Just what the Giants don’t need.
Will the Giants have a signing ceremony, with Panda hats and a San Francisco jersey and balloons and confetti and ice cream?
Sneaking his way out of town? Have you seen the way any celebrity travels? Some people like not being noticed. This is getting silly.
Pablo sneaked out of town on the plane and his agent lied to Bobby Evans about the social media photo. We discussed this on the blog the night it happened and all the next day. We could all tell (and so could Alex) that the guy in the hoodie on the plane to Boston was Pablo. I don’t believe you were with us on the blog then.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFSvqHmUMAA-FzE.jpg
Tim Flannery on Comcast last night talking about how much fun he had playing with and against certain players who had great nicknames, Flan said that Greg Moon Man Minton liked to go out to dinner after games, then drinks and then never really wanted to go back to the hotel. He’d rather stay out as long as the Moon was out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlrjliM4J7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y9kcJd_PqU
Do we know how he felt about the Dodgers?
Not baseball, but you might enjoy. https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-illuminating-geometry-of-viruses-20170719/
Greek Giants said: “Padres Have Embarrassed the Giants and I am Sick of It!”
You may have a Seinfeld episode right there.
Here, here.
Carmen looks much better than Boch did last night in this chair
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/97893bfc670eb08e679967f4d9b7d335d12f9cb334eff04eb1656bd17ae2779a.jpg
Carmen >>> Lexi
Who is Carmen?
What an awful looking chair / throne.
For those who were curious about Tim Flannery’s take on Kung Fu Panda 2, here’s a link to the video from last night:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/video/flanalysis-does-pablos-reported-return-giants-really-make-sense
Flan didn’t dismiss “The Return of Pablo” out of hand but all those charts mapped out Pablo’s decline from 2011 onward. I really don’t want Pablo to come to Sacto and take AB’s away from kids.
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty “company man” take, which is understandable, I guess. We’ll have to wait for the next time he does Drunk Twitter to see what he REALLY thinks. 🙂
I don’t read ‘guilty of malpractice’ as company talk at all.
That was Schulman. We were talking about Flannery, who does work for the Giants.
Sorry. I agree, Flan was skating along the company line in that ‘analysis.’
Hank Schulman says: “If the Giants hold any of these kids back for the sake of a fading memory, they would be guilty of malpractice. I don’t see it happening.”
I don’t exactly have the confidence Hank does.
I just see Pablo as gumming up the works in Sacramento. Is Ryder Jones just going to sit while Pablo tries to resurrect his career? What a waste!
I have one hope left. Sandoval could still flunk his physical!
One can hope!
Thanks … fully support retirements from such a demanding travel schedule but I bet this team misses him [Flan not Pan].
My theory is they let you RiverCats boost your ticket sakes for a while to see him.
They let him play a final series and retire as a Giant with some honor; that is all.
He has no future unless he has a major physical transformation.
I don’t think it’s his body that’s the problem. He’s nowhere near what he was at his fattest. I think his shoulder is sapping most of his strength, and harming his swing. In the same way Cain wasn’t ever the same once the bone spurs showed up, I think his shoulder is the real culprit.
On a happier note, here’s a nice piece about all the outfielders in San Jose, focusing especially on Duggar and Reynolds, but with nods to Jebavy, Brusa, and the Mighty Quinn. Something to look forward to, hopefully.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/down-farm-coachs-view-san-jose-giants-stacked-outfield
Well, how nice to read something positive. It is a long way from A-ball to Willie Mays Field, however, and the Giants haven’t been able to produce an OF for a long time. Save Austin Slater, who I hope is able to play again. San Jose should have Heliot Ramos next year, right, after these guys have turned into Squirrels?
Well, Heliot’s just a baby (still only 17!), so it’s more likely they either send him to Augusta or even just have him play in Salem-Keizer next year. Bumgarner spent his first full year in Augusta after being drafted at 17. Then he started in SJ in 2009, and by September, he was making starts for the Giants.
I always mix up which is lower, Augusta or San Jose. First round draft pick ought to be able to skip the Volcanoes, even if 17 years old? I gather he’s been pretty good in Arizona this summer.
So high draft picks who were college players usually play a couple weeks on the AZL Giants and then go right up to S-K. If all goes well, they start in SJ the next year. That was Reynolds’ and Quinn’s path, and Duggar’s the year before (others, too, I’m sure).
High school draftees go more slowly. For example, Arroyo, also barely 18, played in the AZL the first summer he was drafted. The next year, they started him in Augusta, but it didn’t go well and then he was injured. They put him on the S-K team when they started, and that went very well, allowing him to jump to SJ in 2015, then Richmond in 2016.
I wish I had 10% of your memory. t/y for good info.
Follow them here … It will Ease Your Pain …http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_07_20_giarok_cinrok_1&t=g_box&sid=milb
1. No
2. Span is having a bad year regards expectations especially as a CF. Given his limitations, Span is having a good year as a hitter and a better year than most Giants. But he has failed regards why he was signed as a FA.
3. In decline.
4. Available for trade.
5. Promote Shaw September 1, 2017.
It is kind of interesting to look at the 3 month old posts a bit. Pacman was bringing up the blister issue for Cueto, which has only gotten worse. I think we were all a bit more hopeful back then.
One thing I did note is several comments from Michael Scott. He’s always been an enjoyable curmudgeon. I hope he’s all right!
Yes. I was glad to see Mike back, then I realized his comments were from 3 months ago.
Mike was around as recently as 10 days ago, mas-o-menos. He’s like a Timex.
Good. I hope he’s just bummed out by the bad state of play.
I believe that he was fairly disgusted.
That’s good to hear!
Oh. I get it now. He “keeps on ticking!”
I’ve been worried about him, too.
1. Yes. Not a goatee fan, ever.
2. Eh. He’s doing well overall at the plate, even hitting some HRs. But even so, he rarely seems to get them off to a good start in the first inning. And he’s not any kind of base stealing threat anymore. And he’s horrible, absolutely horrible, in center field. Prof. Lefty gives him a B-/C+.
3. Yes.
4. Yes.
5. I assume you mean September, but only if he forces the issue. They don’t need to add him to the 40 until after 2018, so in a lost season, no need to push it. However, if he goes on a tear for the next 5-6 weeks, sure, bring him up, see how he handles the big leagues, and have him in the mix for the outfield next year.
Except for the goatee. If you’ll notice, Smarge is very into his hair. You can’t expect him to touch that goatee without affecting his juju.
His ERA is pushing 5 and he’s 6th in the NL in HR allowed. I don’t think his juju is all that.
Gonna make you get a pixie and see how you feel. ;o)
Do you think your grades for Span are a tad generous?
I’m bending over backwards trying to be fair. Not a fan. Sitting in the second level in Petco last weekend, I had way too good of a vantage point on his “defense” in CF. Shudderrrrr
Milk routes.
Span keeps getting meaningless hits, and making us overlook how lame he is in CF.
(If that doesn’t get the Chef off the couch – count me worried.)
I don’t see his hits as meaningless. He’s certainly contributing. If he hadn’t hit that HR a couple games ago to make it 3-2, would that 3 run, go ahead 8th have happened? People complaining about his bat just don’t seem like they can be pleased. Defense, sure.
Agree. Take yesterday, he’s leads off the 4th with a double and they strand him, when the game was 2-0, and he’s in the middle of the two-run game tying rally.
Im not sure Pence can see
He’s been a mess since he got hit in the cheek.
The Cardinal didn’t have to shave his.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/63da497a4241002da8523bc794f3a51df7f91a69f210df74c4d20e629563af51.jpg My BP view.
What a clear beautiful photo!
True fans go to BP.
But how do they get on the field? (maybe that’s the front row rail)
On the warning track.
1. Just a minute, let me ask Michael Vick
2. Kruk and Kuip think so(and Kontos and Gearrin as well), so no.
3. If you haven’t noticed since last year, or was it the year before…
4. I hope so…on a historically bad Giants team, shouldnt just about everyone?
5. No, that’s way too late
Span the Man is batting .289. He’s a career .285 hitter. He’s slugging .456, he has a career SLG of .397. His career wRC+ is 105, right now he’s at 112.
this season should not be confused with his fine performance in 2014 when he finished 19th in the MVP voting for the Washington Nationals. Brandon Belt nor Eric Hosmer have ever finished that high in MVP voting. Chew on that, let it settle.
Span’s declining athleticism in the field is another issue, and the poor arm is something the poor Giants scouts neglected to make note of or weigh with appropriate significance.
But fine year with the bat, yes indeed.
True stuff.
Somebody would like him for the Play Off run wouldn’t they?
I think he goes and that gets us a #15 prospect [on that team, not !5 overall]
they should – somebody made a very insightful comment about an AL team using him as a DH.
Giants could eat salary and pay some next year and get that #15 prospect!
Your mouth to Evans ear, bro.
The only way you could be unaware of Span as a pie thrower, and be a good baseball executive, is to have been in a coma for years. It was no secret… to anyone.
That’s the ironic thing for Span this year. He’s shown he can hit, and he’s a dangerous pull hitter. Offensively, he has produced. Unfortunately the defensive decline is glaring and has cost us runs and games. He’s a movable piece. Get something for him, Bobby. Even if we have to eat half of that contract.
Span used to be a good CF and a good base runner–before the age/hips caught up to him–which I’m sure influenced his MVP votes in 2014. Now that all he can do is put up a good batting average, he’s less valuable. And in my opinion, he’s such a liability in the outfield–he’s now up to -17 DRS, and that entirely comports with my eye test–that it pretty much offsets anything he adds offensively. His Fangraphs WAR for the year is 1.2; BB Ref is -0.4. His best years were 2012 with the Twins and 2014 with the Nats. He was +19 DRS in 2012 (-3 in 2014).
Last night’s sleepwalk starts to convince me that this season is not primarily a mental problem. Or if it is, it’s permanent. If these players have lost so much of their talent at a young age, let’s know why. If not, then let’s sit them all or find reasons to DL them because they are phoning it in night after night after night. The other pitcher made just as many mistake as Bum. The Giants aren’t either mentally or physically prepared to him their pitch. Or, in Belt’s case, he just takes a large percentage of them. The only meta-question that matters is: Is the problem physical or mental? If it’s physical, it’ can’t be fixed, and the current starters should be benched. If it’s mental, why hasn’t it been fixed? The current starters should be benched. Obviously, it’s not possible to bench them all, but they certainly deserve it. To roll out the same lineup after that crap show last night? Bochy deserves to be benched, too. Hell of a message.
Give us your starting lineup for the weekend without the regs.
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Have fun anyway. Hoo Nose?
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In the last 110 games of 2015, the Giants went 54-56. Then, in the first half of 2016, they went 57-33. Since then, they’ve gone 67-102. So out of the last 369 games, they’ve played good baseball for only a 90 game stretch, which now looks like an aberration. The decline has been going on for a while.
I think the 2015 situation was different. They actually had the offense clicking with Panik, Duffy, etc., even with Pence missing the whole year. The problem was the sucky rotation that led to a worn-out bullpen. They addressed that in 2016 by signing Samardzija and Cueto and trading for Moore. I’m not saying they don’t still have problems (obviously), but they’re not the SAME problems.
It astounds me that anyone has anything to say to this insecsant, repetative meassage.
“I saw Craw’s blog the other day about routines and how much they matter day to day, especially when the team is scuffling. That’s so true. It’s not just about making sure you’re prepared every single day no matter what, though that’s the main reason for having a routine.
“But for me it’s also about staying relaxed, which is super important when you’re struggling and feel yourself starting to press. Craw and I always have fun playing catch together. Watch us some time if you’re out at the game. We’re always laughing, trying to trick each other into dropping the ball. It just lightens the mood. When you’re playing catch with your catch partner you’re also reminded that this is a team game and you’re not out there by yourself.”
Bob
That’s pretty good. I should be nicer to and about Bob. Very good ballplayer, preternatural eye hand coordination if you catch my drift. Would love to see more consistent aggression and hitter mentality in the batter’s box.
He seems very stubborn about only swinging at the pitches he likes. I can see why this rubs people the wrong way. But I think it’s also established his zone around MLB. A couple years ago he almost the most balls-called-as-strikes called against him in MLB. This and last season those numbers have flipped. He’s getting that “Bonds knows the zone better than umps” rep. Now, he can’t make contact like Bonds, but that rep should extend his hitting career a bit.
That play right there. That’s my reason.
Yes, you should be. He’s a good guy and a good player.
I love him, but…me too. He should be at the next level, numbers wise.
Nice praise for Reynold’s potential in that article posted by Lefty. Really cool that he is a switch hitter with CF playability and that he has even, balanced slits from both sides of plate. He could be really good if his power comes around. He’s just 22. Imagine developing as a hitter when you have to maintain strokes from both sides and see the ball from both sides. I bet they’ll be patient with him, their top pick last year. If they’re not in a hurry to move him to Richmond, that’s their prerogative, but I’d give him a taste of AA before winter. Here’s those splits:
.839 OPS batting RH (about 70 PAs) .786 batting LH (about 280 PAs)
Nice praise for Duggar as well. He has no sample size to draw from this year, but at least he is healed and can still get in a good dose of development. A very strong Arizona Fall League assignment candidate. He has 11 HRs HRs in A ball play and 1 for Richmond in his minor league career. How many can he hit in PCL? 10ishc? I don’t think he’ll ever be a big home run threat, but dream on a poor man’s Steve Finley if you like.
Cody Bellinger is 22. Harper was 19 when he debuted.
When your talking about 22 yr olds “making it” in AA, not too much to get excited about.
Dude, they were drafted out of high school. Apples and oranges.
the point is, it’s funny fans on this blog still “wait” for guys who are 26-27-28 to “break through” and “find it”
Tell me, when was the last player that lingered in the minors well past 25 and actually made a huge difference?
And trust me, the Giants to climb back up, need difference makers – not guys like Duffy, Kelby, Parker, Mac, etc.
I would happily take another Duffy.
And what? Ride him to another ring?
Hardly
Agree. I’m hoping the HS draftees this year–Ramos, Gonzo, Corry, and the guy they just filched from the Orioles–are going to pay off long-term.
But in the meantime, you can’t blame a guy who played college ball for being 22 or 23. It comes with the territory. And there are advantages to playing in college, too.
I’m excited about Arroyo, Jones, and Crick, all high school draftees. I’m also bullish on Vandy draftees Beede and Reynolds. Duggar, from Clemson, is 23. Let’s see how the next year or two plays out.
Really not a big deal being a vandy draftee as you may think – like all schools, some hits, some misses.
I’m not sold on Beede at all. If he was so good as you say he would not struggle as he has up the system. Power pitchers tend to blow their way to the top.
Duffy has a season unlike and superior than the other players listed and rose through the system at an accelerated and one way direction.
Really? Superior to Bellingers season thus far.
Oh please spin this tale, I want to hear it.
Yes, Duggar should absolutely go to the AFL. Good call.
I think right now it should be Duggar in Sacto and Reynolds in Richmond for the rest of the year. Let’s find out what we have.
Good seats. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/25245bb81052759ab835b25d9cd7de1da4d6a4b2a57095c66c05f6227455e1ba.jpg
We’re in last place, 30 games out with 60+ to play, sleepwalking through games, and we trot out the “same soup” lineup that isn’t doing squat.
Yeah, the Bomb Squad lineup on Wednesday actually won the game!
Who had the winning hit? Span Crawford and Posey resp for the 4 rbi’s.
Posey. Pinch-hit double in the bottom of the 8th.
Denard Span has the fourth highest OPS among CFs in the NL with enough bats to qualify but he still has a negative WAR b/c of that defense that Lefty talked about earlier.
It would be cool to score 5 in the first.
Will you settle for 4? Atta babes, Giants.
Yes, happily.
Atta babe Craw. A base hit triple.
Who said to score 5 in the 1st…?
Wake Up Call!!
1) no one should care
2) offensively he’s ok, defensively he hurts the team
3) DECLINE STARTED A FEW YEARS AGO – I cant believe you typed this question with a straight face
4) He should be
5) LOL they have nothing to lose
Pence has his game face on. His eyes look different tonight
Late to the five questions, so here goes:
1) No way.
2) Overall, no. Solid bat, D is killing us.
3) Severely declining, but I’ll predict that he sucks it up and gives one last 400 AB, decent 4th OF year in 2018.
4) No. We’ll lose Cueto, Cain and maybe Moore. Need this guy to be an anchor.
5) On to the 40-man, and probably first shot at 1B next year after we trade Belt. Breaks my heart, but it’s coming.
Cahill looks like a young Rick Reushel.
Braves ahead of the Dodgers 4-0 early. Won last night too, yes?
Four is a good number tonight. 4-1 Giants, 4-0 Braves.
9-0, Braves. Jaime Garcia (P) with a grand slam.
I get the sense that Pence read The Oracle’s comment
The Curmudgeon Motivator
Pence does seem fired up tonight but wouldn’t give credit to TO.
Perhaps Pence read Baggarly’s tweets and article from yesterday.
Hector likes to hit against the Giants.
Got to get over this negative attitude. Just walked in and haven’t turned the game on yet and asking, are we losing yet?
Not yet.
Now?
Now. Padres are hitting triples. Pence couldn’t hold onto the ball. Score = 9-6, with only 1 out in the top of the 8th.
Beautiful play by Posey-Crawford-Belt. Perfect execution.
Oh my…it’s blind squirrel night.
Hank Schulman reported on twitter within the past hour:
In an informal chat with Bochy before the game, he suggested issues with Belt, Pence are mechanical and fixable. Both looked fixed in 1st.
Perhaps this is the reason for Pence’s improvement in tonight’s game.
Yeah, that’s gotta be it. Belt had a nice hit in the 1st inning as well. Makes you wonder why they didn’t make these mechanical adjustments sooner.
Yeah, sure makes you wonder.
Mechanical fixes aren’t just something you go into the next day and fix. They’re used to getting results from doing a specific thing, and if they don’t get results for a couple games it’s usually not wise to just suddenly fix something that might not have even been a problem. This month, before the game, Belt was hitting .283/.411/.478; It’s gotta be tough to say “I’ve only been putting up a .900 OPS this month, I better make some changes.”
Now, Pence this month has hit .153/.194/.237, and has hit terribly for most of the year (with a nice stretch in June). That’s a guy who should have been making changes.
Belts #s since the break are much lower. A tale of two sample sizes.
They are much lower the last week. But it’s gotta be near impossible for a player to see massive success one week, failure the next by doing the same thing, and think “I should change something”. Some players are tinkerers (I think I remember one or both of the Uptons being guys who are constantly, every couple games, trying to change something), some stick with what brung ’em, both with varying success.
Their bodies and fast twitch and reflexes and eye hand are not the same week to week. Consistency is the name of the game.
Consistency is not the name of the game for very many guys in MLB.
Not Belt
Not most
His swing mechanics are less reliable than many.
“Since the break”? You mean, since he sprained his wrist, missed two games, and has played in 6 games counting tonight?–with a sprained wrist? C’mon, really?!
7/10? Versus 7/1-10. Something like that.
C’mon, Ry. I know you hate him, but you’re better than that.
It’s just arbitrary small sample sizes. Nothing more nothing less.
It’s more than that. You never miss a chance to take a shot at him. Never, ever. I don’t get it. I really don’t. He’s not Goldschmidt or Votto, but he’s a solid baseball player and a nice young man.
You’re entitled to say what you want, of course, but I don’t get it.
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That’s…4 games.
7 games without an RBI despite batting in the heart of the order.
Yet still 6 runs scored, one of those including getting on base to start the comeback rally against CLE.
I’m not saying he’s terrible, he’s just not “that” good.
Better than most MLB 1B, so…
Above average but not elite. Frustrating more often than not
If you’re talking about Belt, that tells me you know very little about the game.
Hosmer or Belt?
Hosmer or Belt? Who would you rather have on your team?
He’s gonna pick Belt
That tells me he knows very little about the game.
He prefers the glove over middle of order caliber hitting is all. A matter of preference.
You guys are both ridiculous. The Giants have a cajillion problems, and Belt’s about #97.
He’s a fine 1B, not better than Hosmer, not elite. Solid defender, not a very reliable hitter. He’s the least of the Giants’ problems, but the bottom line is, they still need to go out and get a legitimate middle of the order type bat because Belt doesn’t fit that mold.
How many games – honestly – have you seen Hosmer play? Because over his career he’s really not been that good. The idea that Hosmer is some flagship is hilarious. Arguably most overrated player in the game.
I’ve seen him hit a HR off of Kershaw’s slider the other day and I’ve watched Hosmer in the WBC this year and ALCS/WS couple years ago.
You can say Hosmer’s overrated but he’s improved steadily over the course of his career whereas Belt’s numbers have been pretty much the same since his rookie season really.
Plus, Hosmer is 2 years younger than Belt.
I’ve seen him hit a HR off of Kershaw’s slider the other day and I’ve watched Hosmer in the WBC this year and ALCS/WS couple years ago.
You can say Hosmer’s overrated but he’s improved steadily over the course of his career.
Plus, Hosmer is 2 years younger than Belt.
I’m not sure what age has to do with it. I guess it means you think Hosmer has more upside? He might, if he would stop hitting so many ground balls. That’s what’s holding him back from being an actual really good hitter. And for someone who has brought up Belt’s “inconsistency”, you might want to look at how badly Hosmer’s numbers tank in even years. He’s a guy with a .773 career OPS, playing in a hitter’s park. That’s lower than Span’s OPS this year, and people here think his bat is risible.
Hitters Park? KC?
For Hosmer’s career the lowest it’s been is 13th in MLB. It was as high as 3rd a season or two ago.
Yes, generally speaking, younger age = higher upside.
I think we’re drifting away from the main topic of this discussion which is that Hosmer is better than Belt, and I’m still inclined to think so. But like I said, that doesn’t mean Belt is a bad 1B.
Again, nothing backs up that Hosmer is better than Belt. 7.2 fWAR vs. 17.8 fWAR, 12.5 rWAR to 19.4 rWAR, 109 OPS+ vs. 126 OPS+, I mean it’s hilariously nowhere close.
Hahahaha because they pick one 1B with a demonstrably better career than another?
I wouldn’t quite say that even though Belt has 3 rings. Hosmer has more individual accolades
I think the Belt Hosmer can of worms is entertaining. Good fodder. It’s close.
Don’t let those Gold Gloves fool you, he wouldn’t have sniffed one in the NL. But, he plays in a league that typically employs DHs at 1B. From what I’ve seen his glove seems average at best. One of those players who can make some spectacular looking plays, so it gets lost how many routine plays go for hits. Think Jeter jump throw.
Bochy is a politician with a constituancy of 25, if his lips are moving he is lying.
I wouldn’t go that far, but there’s something amiss with management.
Your right, that was harsh. If his lips are moving he has calculated how his words are going to be received.
Okay 22’s, you’re making me laugh!
That will help with the gold glove.
Hector has broken into my list of most feared hitters.
My goodness, this guy just won’t stop hitting against us….
We need another Hector in the system.
We need a Hectare of hitters.
What is the hectarage of the outfield? I’m gonna figure that. An acre is about 43000 sqfeet. 2.5 hectares in acre…
That’s a lot of hitters.
Visa versa, 2.5 acres to a hectacre
Grazi!
What somebody they can rush through the system and not develop so he doesn’t know what he is doing and gets concussions? Aramis Garcia Foots is calling.
Putting up that empty .280 BA on his call up (with the ghastly .295 OBP) was the worst thing for him. It meant Bochy thought he was a real hitter, and meant he was doomed to be parked on the bench as Lincecum’s personal catcher, never getting a chance to actually improve fully. Plus, Bochy valued him as a switch hitter, even though he couldn’t actually hit that well. Being able to hit below average from both sides was apparently a plus.
Shark not at all happy about coming out of the game. Bochy not showing much confidence in him. As if this game matters vs. big picture.
He wasn’t pitching very well. WInning the game is more important
You’re right, but I would have liked to see Shark get a W. Sure has earned more than he’s received this year.
That’s what they keep saying, but he just keeps getting rocked whenever it sorta matters
Why is winning this game so important? 🤔
The clubhouse chemistry might fall apart!!!
It’s already up a shit creek, so really doesn’t matter.
That’s the joke
Are you saying winning’s not important?
At this point no it does not. Anywhere from 90-110 losses is a moot point.
What does matter is getting the top pick in the draft. While #1 pick might not get the Phillies closer to a pennant, it could make the difference on the Giants in a couple of years if they can bring in a future star to pair up with Posey and Bum.
Whenever you are cheering for in the minors – Shaw, Reynolds, etc, are not future top stars. They may be fill in types, better than Mac/Parker, but not superstars. The type to usher in new era alone. The Giants could get that type with first pick.
That means more than winning some stupid games this season.
Samardzija did not cope well with abundance this evening.
Are you sure he isn’t pissed at himself for not concentrating more and getting more of these pathetic hitters out?
Maybe. Probably.
These Padres play the Giants tough. I love it when Colonel Potter calls Father Mulcahey “Padre”.
OK, GEARRIN… If you’re going to take this looong to make a pitch, you might get it a little closer to the damn strike zone!
Gearrin is slower than molasses. Sheesh.
he takes longer than a rain delay.
OMG, this team sucks. They finally, FINALLY get an early lead, and the starter can’t get out of the fifth and Gearrin can’t throw a strike, and they turn Hector Sanchez into Nolan Arenado.
This team just finds new ways to lose every day. Someone needs to be accountable.
They’ll fire Meulens and maybe a base coach and say Mission Accomplished!
The homers to Sanchez are just mind numbingly stupid. The team isn’t trying, if trying is patting any attention to the opponent. Don’t you believe even hating Sanchez fourth is to taunt the Giants? It’s asinine, and they keep asking for more
Sanchez HR are really embarrassing. He’s not a difficult guy to fool, yet they’re making him look like Goldschmidt.
F*CK THIS MO FO CRAP GIANTS.
Wait. It’s still tied!
Was, but that’s beside the point.
Here come the buzzards a’circling. Meant seagulls. Tho they may as well be buzzards.
…and still looming on the horizon, the Dog Days…and maybe therapy.
Today, Harbaugh tweeted: “Happy 68th B-Day Al Hrabosky, A++ competitor whom I emulated to dismay of parents & opposing teams in Little League.”
Myers should be playing OF, but sometimes I think Myers v Belt is a close close call.
Argh Kuip, stop saying Ghirardelli incorrectly. It makes me cringe as much as when someone says Frisco or San Fran or San “Louie” Obispo.
Anyone who thinks Hunter Strickland is good is just lying to themselves. He’s stupid, he’s overrated, and he’s a bad guy. I wish he’d go away.
Stop sugar coating it.
Trade value down 👇
They should just DFA him. Addition by subtraction.
That might be a little extreme.
You’re incredibly level headed on everything, but you cannot actually think this. Timing of that couldn’t have been worse, but it’s the second HR he’s given up this year.
I just can’t stand him, and I hate that he’s on my team.
We all have the guys we love/hate. I personally think Nunez is the most overrated Giant in many seasons.
Nunez isn’t responsible for Mike Morse having a probably career-ending concussion, but “the most overrated”? There’s a lot of competition for THAT award. Maybe there should be an annual one like the Willie Mac Award. We could call it the “Marvin Bernard Award” or the “Randy Winn Award” or the “Ray Durham Award”…open to other nominations.
Aaron Rowand
YES
Nobody rated Aaron Rowand. Some people here talk about Nunez like he was BatKid. “Now THAT’S the way you run out a grounder!”
Winn was a good ballplayer, until that last season where Bochy kept batting him 3rd..no…matter…what. Durham also had some really nice seasons here. Benard? I personally didn’t thought he was fine, but he got TONS of hate on KNBR while here. If anything, that made him underrated.
I’m using “overrated” by its definition. I’m not using it to mean “bad”.
I had no idea Lefty you had typed “career-ending concussion” in your comment which precedes mine above. I started reading comments from the top down. Amazing!
We can’t trick any other team into taking him with ugly outings like tonight! 🙁
SHARK too 🙁
SurfMaui’s new conspiracy theory: Cueto, Samardzija, Strickland and Gearon want to remain Giants so they are all pitching poorly to make themselves untradeable
The food is really good in SF. REALLY good.
Who wouldn’t want to remain a Giant (Sandoval notwithstanding)
Which reminds me, the chicken from Organic Coup was a major disappointment. Blah. The beer was good though. Tater tots were meh.
Totally agree. Should have warned you. We had sandwiches there the last time (the Marlins game). Bland, overcooked. Oh, and the guy talked us into the $13 vodka lemonades (“everyone loves them!”), and if there was any vodka in there, I couldn’t tell. I think he conned us into $13 lemonades.
We have Strickland to thank for brawl that caused Morse’s career-ending concussion.
p.s. All the upvotes are by women so far. Smart women, by the way.
Morse’s own clumsiness has to split some of this bill
You’ve got to be kidding. It was a brawl. Which would never have happened if it weren’t for Strickland and his 3-year-old grudge and mindset.
Strickland was incredibly stupid to throw at Harper. Harper was incredibly stupid to run at Strickland. Morse was incredibly stupid to run in a straight line at his largest teammate. Few guys came out of this situation looking smart.
I had forgotten how annoying Hector was on defense. He couldn’t steal a pitch if the ump was blind.
That Blash pec shimmy is some unique home plate adjustment.
You gotta like these “kids”.
I do kinda like them. I felt that way last weekend at Petco. They play with energy and enthusiasm, if not always skill.
Amy’s producer is framing shots with lots of butts in seats.
Pavlovic has shown he’s a hypocrite and blows up when he gets called out. He just tweeted that he’s always said Panik was a hitter who should be hitting in the top of the line-up, but in 2014 he said Panik shouldn’t but Pence should stay up in the line-up, even though he was a big RBI and home run guy.
He also routinely blocks people on Twitter who point out these things to him. I personally have not been blocked, but have seen it happen many times.
I think he’s blocked our very own Peter Johnson. He could not handle Pete’s heat 🔥
Speaking of PJ, where’s he been?
Voluntary time out. JStreet hit him with decency.
He was smart and gave up on this season….just like this Giants team.
There was no venom or harsh word towards him but rather just pointing out that he said the complete opposite in 2014. He blew up at me that something said in 2014 shouldn’t matter or is ridiculous.
Most of the people I know who were blocked by him were very civil.
Not very many clean innings in this game. Pitching has been atrocious
Pablo to the pen!
Wait…
You gotta admit, that was hilarious.
I love me some Reverend, so for me it’s just sad, sad, sad! 🙁
Oh me too, I have a soft spot for him, but it was like watching a live-action version of a cartoon.
What can go wrong, will go wrong this season.
OH MY GOD, STRICKLAND SUCKS. Why is he in there for another inning? He was awful last inning. Bochy out for a smoke or something?
Never thought I would ever say this: Is Casilla available ? Just kidding ( I think)
Romo is!
Can’t be any worse. Besides seeing him beat the Dodgers next week would be kindve cool.
IT’S ABOUT DAMN TIME, BRUCE.
Please– they all suck
I would still like to see Crick get more high-leverage reps. Why not?
I cant disagree. Ironically next year’s bullpen backend could be good with the return of Smith, Dyson and a healthy Melancon. Rest of the bullpen needs a complete blow up
I’m thinking the keepers are those guys, Crick, and Osich. Everyone else can pack their stuff and go.
The sooner the better
Cycle Hector
He put in Okert against Hector Sanchez?
Oh, FFS.
Whoa, I dozed off for a couple of innings…. Sanchez hit another HR tonight?
How could you doze off? They were actually ahead until they were tied, briefly, then got surpassed.
I was hoping for several minutes of analysis of the blonde girl using speed and agility to snag that foul ball.
Yep. Smardge’s bad luck continues. How dumb do you have to be to keep giving up homers to a horrible hitter. The Padres manager keeps flipping off the Giants by a guy cleanup who has no business being there, and the Giants keep bending over to take another
How many more years will we get to enjoy Duane and Mike making a bad season watchable?
I’m not sure. Mike’s not traveling much now, is he?
I’m hoping for another 10 years of home games.
I love the colors in your avatar. This is probably a dumb question, Bob, but what is it?
Looks like a Venus flytrap to me. Kind of like these Padres.
I believe there are certain stadiums he doesn’t go to, like Wrigley (because it has no elevator), but I’m not sure if there are other specific ones he’s going to, or if it’s more schedule-based.
Thanks, Eric. I didn’t realize Wrigley was non-ADA.
At least they don’t have elevators to the press box/wherever K&K sit. I assume they have to have some kind of disabled access throughout the rest of the stadium.
Yeah, that would be required by federal law.
You’d think with all the “improvements” made to that old relic, complying with federal ADA law to have access for all would be top priority!
That’s for sure!
Nothing east of Denver. That’s why the Affeldt and Lopez (and Brian Johnson) tryouts
“Nothing east of Denver.” I didn’t know that either. Makes sense. Long flights with multiple stops can be rough.
I wouldn’t even go to Denver if I were him. Thin air can’t be good for his breathing and subsequent balance!
Wow, didn’t know it was that many. Thank you.
He doesn’t do road games outside of the NL West–nothing east of Denver.
Go yard and buy vowels Caesar.
It’s either mispronounced or misspelled
Remember when the US Men’s Olympic Volleyball team had a guy named Ctvrtlik? They called him Bob “buy me a vowel” Ctvrtlik.
Wow, 900 comments tonight. I’m guessing this whole blog is having a manic episode.
I think 500 or so may have been months old ringers.
It’s possible. Others have talked about Disqus ralphing up quotes from way back. I saw a Bapah post was in the mix that was 3 months old. Disqus is an extremely defective beastie.
No seriously I think it did that again, tons of 3 month old posts
When a baserunner takes a base in the manner that Buster just did, it should be called “defensive who is care.”
Mr. Happy!!!
Still playing!
If the Giants go ahead, Dyson will be in this game?
I guess he’s coming in
If Giants go ahead here, they win
Not according to Krukow
only if he comes in before they go ahead.
ok, Kruk just sounded a little off with that
can’t happen
How can it not happen? It’s the ONLY way it can happen.
No, Kruk said Dyson would come in if the Giants tied it or went ahead. He can’t come in if the Giants are ahead. The game would already be OVER if the Giants were ahead.
That’s what I said. He can only come in before they go ahead.
So Kruk was wrong in his comment. Dyson could only come in if the Giants tied it.
If that’s what he said, yes, he was wrong. I’m not watching because WE CHANGED TO DIRECT TV BEFORE THE SEASON AND DON’T GET NBCSPORTSBAYAREA SO IT’S ALL MY FAULT, OK!!!???
Nah, no worries. I had to rewind it twice to make sure I heard him say what I thought he said.
Boy, did you pick the right season to unplug!
I will be very happy to be wrong about this game, GSDUbs!
Ha…Exactly!
Holy Batman Conor! 🙂
This is why we stay fans.
The game is tied again!!!
Go Giants!
Could job Conor!!
I just got home from work. Can anyone give me the skinny on this whole game?
Giants took a 4 run lead in first and then gave game away.
They just tied the score by scoring three runs in the bottom of the nineth.
Game looks intense. Who was the crappy reliever who gave it away?
You mean our crappy reliever in the middle innings? Well, of course, it was Meathead.
I’m done with Strick. I try to support him but he just keeps on barfing on himself. Trade him.
If he can be traded.
Hector hit another home run. Hector’s revenge. Giants were ahead by 4 runs, then 6. Padres made several mistakes and tied the game 6-6. Padres went ahead 9-6 after a couple of triples in the 8th and Pence couldn’t hold onto a ball he caught, and… mostly Strickland. I started wondering what the heck am I still watching this game for, except for the conversations with TWGers. Then an unexpected miracle happened and the Giants tied the game.
No sport like it. Fans who appreciate it are special.
There ain’t no clock to run out! 🙂
And fans (and non fans) who don’t? Too bad for them.
Yep. That’s why I never leave a game early, no matter the score. I saw the whole 17-inning game earlier this season. Also, I don’t have a life, ha-ha.
Think of the people on the Bay Bridge bumming about their decision to bail. Left handed professors too. Ha.
Maybe she got home in time to watch Kontos throw up all over the mound.
Giillapsie does it again!
Had dozed off and woke up just as Gillaspie came to bat.
Weird game.
A lot of people are taking naps in this game.
Here comes Hector the Giants Slayer.
Except for the runners on base, I want him to cycle.
No worries, he’s due to make an out here.
Good job Dyson!!
I hope they throw out the drunk guy near the microphone during the game, so we can hear the depths of his objection.
Lefty !!! Lefty!!! Lefty!! Lefty !!! Lefty!!! Lefty!! Lefty !!! Lefty!!! Lefty!! Lefty !!! Lefty!!! Lefty!! vLefty !!! Lefty!!! Lefty!! vLefty !!! Lefty!!! Lefty!! Lefty !!! Lefty!!! Lefty!! Lefty !!! Lefty!!! Lefty!! Lefty !!! Lefty!!! Lefty!!
GEORGE IS PITCHING!!!!
LOL. I bailed after the seventh inning (when Strickland got them down by 3 runs). Sorry I missed Gillaspie’s dramatics, but overall, seems I made the right decision.
Come on Kontos…
The ball is going nowhere near the target.
The whole pen has thrown more balls than strikes at one point this inning
Its totally unacceptable to walk a slap hitter like Aybar with a runner on 1st, nobody out in a extra inning tie game. Should be some sort of punishment for that
I don’t feel sorry for the players cause of extra innings. They get paid well. I feel sorry for the clean up crew who have to clean up those nachos and crap from all the seagulls.
What about me staying up till 241 am and counting?
That’s just plain madness. You have only yourself to blame.
Right now I’m blaming Giilaspie
Props. Lets go Giants!
KONTOS SUCKS!!!
He is the worst
Unreal that he walked Aybar
I don’t want to give the ball to Kontos on general principle!
Kontos has pitched more innings than any Giants relief pitcher all year. UNREAL!!!
What do you dowhen the batter wants to bunt? Pretty much the opposite of what Kontos did. Remarkably brain dead
Would you rather clean Seagull crap off of stadium seats or watch Kontos pitch?
That’s a tough one
Seagulls
Seagulls!!
Can we make Kontos clean up seagull crap off of stadium seats?
Admittedly Kontos is tired– ptched a lot lately. However he also stinks. So its hard to tell which is at work here or both
Yeah, 3rd consecutive day that he’s pitched. Miller said he looks frazzled.
Please — he only pitched one inning in each of those games and averaged 17 pitches. Relief pitchers often pitch 3 games in a row. He is mentally soft if he can’t go three days in a row.
I’d make him lick that crap for his crap performance.
I’m going swimming! Good night everyone.
You unplugged the tv before you threw it in, right?
Bad body language out there
Kontos, Strickland and the Shark all love the Giants so much they crap the bed so that nobody will want to trade for them. They are so bad they do not have anyone to trade. Maybe Baggs can write an article ripping their play b/c Pence actually look focused at the plate and wasn’t pulling off every slider.
Kontos is garbage.
Yes because Pence problem the past few years has been lack of concentration right!?!
🙄
Well Kruk, if Kontos is that gassed then Crick should have been in there!
Bruce checked out a long time ago
Let Belt pitch — I guarantee he has better stuff than Kontos
Literally not one pitch Kontos has thrown has looked good. Stuff looks flat and not to the target
Kind of like most of the pitching staff?
Seriously — 4th highest payroll and the second worst record — time for a new front office.
Pretty much.
At least we have Moore going tomorrow (today?) to pitch a lot of innings and give the bullpen a rest
No rule says you have to change pitchers every inning. It’s difficult to remember that sometimes. Nothing burns up a pen like going through 5 or 6 every damned game.
Well, looks I get to text my friend ‘I told you so’ soon. Thanks Giants, for your predictability. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd3f500a53acd27a5c1201695d6f5c1ed021c00da9d6b21b5351dbb053892d5e.jpg
Yikes. Buy a lotto ticket.
This sounds, literally, like a spring training game now.
One team pitts out a spring training lineup every night. The other one loses to it.
Couldn’t have said it any better.
After this loss — tied with the Phillies in the lost column for the worst record in baseball — #1st Pick!!
I was entertained.
Posey and Belt wanted to go home
If there is a Bizzaro World Willie Mac Award I nominate Kontos
Appears our two “most selective” hitters, Belt and Posey, wanted to go home ASAP.
And after that… fizzle.
The Padres look like they’re having a lot fun. Perhaps we should start a petition for the Giants to rebuild.
What a lousy game. Good thing my battery was low and I didn’t have to abuse this crisis center, but now that I’m plugged back in, here goes. When Connor tied the game, why the F doesn’t he go to third. Your gonna need him again. Nuñez didn’t have it today. Enough said. Padres may look stupid at times, but their a crisp and firm team, with a youth movement. We’re soft and can’t bring up anybody because with this record, now is the time to do it. Get guys from AA if we have to. Gillespie needs playing time at third. His at bats are consistently honest. What a shit show. We have a lead. They tie it. They take the lead. We tie it. We choke on it. We score 9, they score more. They score 1, we don’t. Tonight was an exclamation point game. It’s been mailed in. But on the bright side, I got to meet Amy G. She is prettier in person that on tv. And she stands about 6 feet with those really high heels. Got to meet Mark McGuire this morning when he first came in. Super nice intense man. And got to have a nice chat with Wotus today. Super nice guy. I’ll be at the game tomorrow with zero expectations but really want to see the Giants tear it up. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/52c32e4da531b1e07724af5094c1f8beb7ddbf0e959d54f708c310d3f9ebc56e.jpg
I have to admit that I was also surprised to see Connor in the dugout in the top of the 10th.
Absolutely dumbfounding move. Hot bat. Keep it. Connor is a proven crunch time guy. Nothing infuriated me more about this lousy game than putting Connors bat away. Even the inept bullpen played second fiddle to that boneheaded decision by Boch.
Thanks for your game report, it was great. I’m sorry you didn’t see a win. You met quite a few celebrities! I’m sure Amy G. is a nice woman, that comes across in her reports. I always liked McGuire too. Wotus knows a hell of a lot of baseball, I listen to him on Marty Lurie’s Sunday pre-game shows. Krukow pointed out in the wrap that Kontos had pitched 3 days in a row and 4 out of 5. Miller said he seemed out-of-sorts on the mound and frustrated at the results. And he said Crick had pitched last night too, 31 pitches and may have been a little gassed. I went last night and he was consistently throwing 95-96. BTW, I didn’t check the speed on every pitch but when I did, Bum was topping out at only 89-90. Have fun tomorrow, I hope you see a win. Miller speculated that with all the relievers being leaned on so heavily these past few games they might have to call up somebody tomorrow. Maybe you’ll see some rookie’s debut! At least you won’t see Kontos!
The pre-game wine fest wore off just in time to absorb this desultory loss. Ugh. Oh well… Home safe
Great seats, but I’m scared to ask how much they cost you!
Now we know why tickets on StubHub for tonight’s game were going for only $10.50. That’s very low for a Friday game.
Wow, less than it costs for parking or a beer.
When your best starting pitcher is a rookie with a 4.36 ERA you are having a Fugly year. When your best RBI guy is at 50 is tied for 24-29th in the NL your team is having a FUGLY season. Last night was a FUGLY loss yet again.
Minor notes;
Bryan Reynolds was 3 for 4 with a double for SJ -.305 avg
Ryan Howard 2 for 4 – .329 avg
Duggar was 0 for 4 with 3 Ks – .231 avg
A. Garcia 0 for 4, K – ..279 avg
R. Jebavy 1 for 3, SB (8) – .269 avg
Jake McCasland fanned 10 in 6 IP. 2 ER – 5.04 ERA
At Richmond, Hinojosa 1 for 5, K – .301 avg
Heathcott 0 for 5, K – .260 avg
Coonrod 6.1 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, BB, 6 K , HR – 4.39 ERA
For Sac, Ryder Jones 2 for 4 – .300 avg
Mac and Park combined 2 for 9 with 4 K.
So Ryan Howard, CJ Hinojosa, Christian Arroyo–who is the next SS in the post-Crawford era? Who might lock down 3B?
Howard was just drafted last year and could finish the season in AA (shades of Duggar, last year). Not bad.
I think there’s a good chance that an older slower Crawford would still defend better than any of those guys at SS. Maybe the post- Crawford SS is playing in an academy in the DR right now. Or maybe he’s the #2 overall pick next June. I bet Crawford plays SS thru end of his contract.
Chances still seem good that Arroyo locks down 3B – although he did look real good at 2B. Could the newly drafted Gonzalez be a 3B of the future?
Well, I don’t think it’s going to be Jonah Arenado. He has 16 errors already this season. #wrongbrotheragain
Bring them all up and rebuild!
My idea for a fan petition to rebuild doesn’t seem to be getting much traction. Zero upvotes so far.
That means no one agrees with ya.
Reverse standings:
Giants just one back in loss column to Phillies (but have played 4 more games than PHI).
They are 5 losses ahead of the Reds and now 6 over the Padres and White Sox.
Whoever they pick next year in the Top 3 is immediately going to be their #1 prospect and should immediately be a Top 100 prospect. That’s sort of exciting.
Peachy was asking about the demise of “Don’t Stop Believin’.” Alex has an article about this:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/headed-100-losses-giants-quietly-give-dont-stop-believin-tradition
Also, we were talking last night about Michael Morse’s concussion (from the Strickland/Harper brawl) maybe ending his career, and I just got a notification that he is, indeed, likely to retire due to concussion-related symptoms. :-(. Feel better, Mike, and live a happy life with your young family. You were a good Giant, and your last act was to be a good teammate. We’ll never forget that HR against Neshek or the game-winning RBI in Game 7 of the World Series. That lives forever.
Ok great! Now let’s make it a Journey clean sweep and 86 that stupid “Lights Go Out It The City” dreck. That is the worst of the worst as ballpark songs go.
And, like my BC always said, “don’t complain unless you have a solution”; I have a solution… replace that Journey crap with Chris Isaak’s “San Francisco Days, San Francisco Nights”. An actual good song by a real Nor Cal native that celebrates the City better than Steve Perry ever could hope to. Giants! Go!!
Captain, how are you? Have been out on these terrible fires this month? Detweiler sure is a ^%$#^%$#. Hope all the crew members stay out of harms way – and that the residents in these areas don’t do stupid things that endanger firefighters.
Rye, I’ve been out in the northern Rockies for nearly a month, hiking, kayaking and taking a million pictures. On my way home today, lunch in Fallon and catching up on SFG news. Nothing much has changed it seems. sigh.
The Chief wants me back ASAP, seems there are engine crew folks needing to be relieved. I’m gonna try and lay low until the 1st, avoid the phone. Then am anticipating spending August out on the lines.
Cheers!
No more Journey is one silver lining to take away from this crap show season. I’ve always thought they should play Santana during that interval, Oye Como Va when ahead and Samba Pa Ti when tied or behind. The spectacle of several thousand people standing up and playing air guitar in the night air would do wonders for everybody involved. Besides, every San Franciscan of a certain age you ever meet either went to high school, lived next door to or partied with Carlos Santana.
Read Baggs update yesterday and felt very sad. Not because his career is over, but that it ended due to a totally unnecessary injury. And a brain injury that could have long lasting effects. Hope he recovers fully And retires a Giant after the Strickland trade.
It would be a good plan to have Morse in a Giants uni for a day in September, and Strickland in anyone else’s uniform.
1. Should Surf Maui start a used shoes e-commerce web site?
2. Is Just Peachy headed for a career in stock predictions?
3. Is The Oracle in decline, or will the Lexi post wash off?
4. Is Efrain posing as Cashman and calling Bobby about Belt?
5. Should the Giants promote Matt Williams in November?
The Oracle always comes back. He rides his own wave, crashes on the shore and returns fully crested once again. The Oracle is The Oracle as Matthew is Matthew.
Ryan is Ryan?
.
Actually Ryan is a whole bunch of guys that consistently morph from one ID to another.
The Amoeba, with dysentery.
You can’t spell Together We’re Giants without T-O.
Whoa. Hank Schulman reports in his game story startling contrasts in hitting stats for Hector Sanchez since he left the Giants in 2015. Sanchez’s at-bats versus the Giants far surpass his numbers against all other teams.
“Since 2015, his final year in San Francisco, he is hitting 11-for-22 with five homers and 13 RBIs against the Giants.
Against everyone else he has hit .193 with five homers in 88 at-bats.”
I’m no expert, but just a thought. Maybe they should start pitching to Hector differently. I understand they couldn’t possibly know anything about how to pitch to him–small sample size against them, after all–but maybe there are some scouting reports or video that could help.
/sarcasm
Makes you wonder if they’ve even talked about how to pitch to him. Surely Righetti and Posey could hold a seminar complete with visual aids.
You would think so. Though, to be fair, neither Samardzija nor Okert ever played with Hector as a Giant. Okert might have played with him in the minors, though.
Samardzija and Okert would be two pitchers a seminar on “How to Pitch to Hector” would be useful for, and the others all seem to need a refresher course.
He’ll be busters back up again soon!
They dont care
I have to say Pacman’s “Lefty!!! Lefty!! Lefty!!! …GEORGE IS PITCHING!!!!” was the funniest comment all night. All season actually. I’m still laughing.
Classic Pacman! Well worth staying up late for.
Had I still been awake, I think for once I would have given ol’ Everyday George a pass. They said on the broadcast at the start that Kontos was unavailable because he’d been used so much. I take it they consider Crick the long man and were saving him in case the game went a lot more innings? Anyway, I feel kind of bad that George had to wear it when he was gassed.
Not leaving Conor in at third base after the 9th inning (as expertly analyzed by Crawfish Joe right after the game) and going with Kontos when Kontos had already pitched too much lately and was supposedly off limits for this game stand out as two huge mistakes by Bochy.
Before I bailed, I was also wondering about putting Strickland out there for a second inning–in which he gave up two more runs to make it a three-run lead–after he’d already given up the go-ahead run and struggled to get through the previous inning. He clearly didn’t have it last night–why push it?
Also, Cory Gearrin walking the relief pitcher on four pitches–and he turned out to be the tying run? So bad.
These guys are playing through what appears to be debilitating mental exhaustion and confusion. If we think this season is disgusting, think about what it feels like to them…bad all the way around in every crevice of this organization.
It’s time for a MLB Special Counsel.
Forget them what about me? These guys are millionaires im just a classic working stiff being taken advantage of by the man!
There aren’t a million kids a level below that are working hard every day to take your job! At least I don’t think there are?
Youre right more like 1.5 million are lol
The players dont seem to care much, judging by their lack of adjustment or behavior change
Your not getting a $12-$25M paycheck that eases the pain somewhat.
I remember you asking: What’s Strickland doing back out there? during the game. There were so many mistakes in managing the game, it’s hard to keep track of them all.
Well, to be fair to Bruce (yes, for once I will be), the real problem was Samardzija not making it out of the fifth. You had Kontos supposedly off limits, Crick had thrown a lot of pitches the day before, Gearrin had walked the relief pitcher, and Dyson’s the closer. So–Strickland for a second inning.
True. Bochy had only so many chess pieces to work with in this game, and some of the pieces were already worn out.
I’ve been thinking for quite some time that Bochy has not been as sharp in his decisions since Flannery retired, Sabean moved upstairs, and his heart problems. I realize he wants to keep managing, and surely he doesn’t want to retire with this season as his last (that would be awful), but maybe consulting more during games with Righetti and Wotus?
It’s bad enough to cut a guy. It means he’s not in the game, and not prepared to play Major League Baseball. It is not hard to throw a strike. It is hard to throw a good strike in a good location with something on it. None of that was required. But even 30 games or, the Giants will not just do what they bed to do. Same with the bunt in the 11th. You throw up and in, hard, when a guy wants to bunt. But no .. Kontos and Posey lay one in there, inviting the hitter to do exactly what he wants.
No reason for him to be, really. But if the pen is gassed, then Bochy is responsible. If you use 4 pitchers for 1 inning wash instead of 2 pitchers for 2 innings over and over, you will overwork the bullpen.
…but Kruk thinks Kontos is having a good season.
Mooooooooose’s remark about hoping Pacman turned off the TV before his swim was also pretty darned good.
Stat of the Day:
Madison Bumgarner and George Kontos have nearly identical stats. Both are 0-4, both have ERA in the mid 3’s. George has a higher K rate. MadBum has a higher HR rate.
Stats are deceiving? Stats tell the story? The Giants are doomed? This season sucks? Foothills plagiarism post?
In this case, I’d say stats are deceiving. Bum hasn’t pitched much, had a three-month layoff, and is recovering from an injury. Kontos is a relief pitcher, and ERAs don’t mean that much for relief pitchers. 7 HRs given up by Kontos is the really bad stat. That’s only one fewer than Ty Blach, who’s a starter. No other relief pitcher has given up more than two.
Bum definitely gives up too many HRs, but that was true last year, too. Seems to be an occupational hazard for guys who don’t walk many (see Samardzija, too)–always around the plate.
One point I tend to make is that relief pitching is starting pitching on steroids. It’s a condensed world, and the pressures are higher. It doesn’t mean they are better pitchers…but it does mean they are under a microscope.
Starters get to live a routine. They are GP’s on a schedule. Relievers have to be ER doctors. The way we analyze relievers has much less forgiveness, because the bad days are amplified ( late critical stages of the game, etc…)
It’s not excusing them. It’s that they are different crafts with different Fan analysis applied
Right now, they aren’t a lot different, performance wise.
Not true. There’s a very significant difference in WHIP, with Bumgarner of course being much better. The ERAs are only close because Kontos often does not start an inning.
I said these stats are the same and asked questions. What’s “not true”. Pence’s marriage?
Kontos gives me anxiety!
Everyone gives me anxiety!
Kontos gives everyone anxiety!
I would characterize the emotion gives me is foreboding.
I could envision Greek Giant in deep thought trying to come up with a headline to continue the escalating doom of this season.
At some point , it’s just going to say something like:
Game 99. F#%k It
A reflective post before I spend my Saturday morning NOT obsessing about the Giants.
It is a terrible year, worse than any of the odd numbered years earlier this decade. I’m pleased to note that the people who contribute here regularly have not gone over the cliff. In previous years losing streaks led to incivility, language and other mechanisms for blowing off the steam. It pleases me no end that people are remaining pretty polite this year. Maybe because it is an independent blog? Maturity? The right mix of people in our support group? Good work!
Now time for a walk in the park, chores, and shopping before the afternoon game.
Here’s hoping that the team didn’t have to sleep at the park so they’d be able to make it back in time for 1st pitch.
Skyfalling everywhere. Got to laugh and be as civil as possible. And say what you gotta say and do your thing 🙂
Okay, serious question. What do you think about a rebuild, Ryan?
Once again, I’m brought back to the words of Coach McKay.
However, I can’t help but think this is an anomaly of some sort.
An anomaly that encompasses the second half of last season and all of this season? I’ve always thought an anomaly was smaller in the context of a whole, or briefer in terms of duration.
There’s also inertia. I’ve been on winning teams and I’ve been on losing teams. Sometimes inertia takes over and very little can overcome it (positively or negatively), however, it is fragile and can be thwarted. They’ve experienced both positive and negative results of inertia (3 WS v. now). Change or time may overcome its effects; I’m thinking change may be the only reasonable solution at this point. A rectifying force may be what is needed. Who can supply it is a mystery to me.
I keep thinking about the number attempts at change the Dodgers made before it finally turned for them.
Actually, we’re in the 5th stage of grief – acceptance.
Go for it! But I don’t think the Giants are gonna go for it. You do have to be shrewd about these things. Can’t just put everyone up for sale in a buyer’s market. In time they’ll probably chip away at the pieces and maybe Buster and Crawford are the only ones left after the 2019 deadline.
“2019 decline”! Swell.
Several of the habitual insulters are not around much, it’s true.
Seems much better among us than in past years. I’m tired from staying up late last night but I stayed up because it was fun to be here even though the Giants lost yet another game.
It’s cooler this morning and my plan is to dig up more bricks from the side garden before the noon heat, walk to the gym, then sew this afternoon. I plan my days around heat waves now.
Really nice observation, 610.
Ditto, 610nm.
As mis-posted below, we’re all in various stages of grief. Those of us who are civil as you say, have already arrived at the 5th stage which is acceptance. I know Pollyanna HAS gone over the cliff so that’s one anyway.
I think much of the angst was fueled by the various trolls who were almost excluvely Dodgers fans. They saw the handwriting on the wall early this season and moved on to reak havoc on Nats and Cubs blog sites.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/david-ross-mlb-elite-glue-guys-101/
Great read. Hunter Pence is included in the list
Here’s some good news, flats of peaches are 1/2 off next weekend at the Ferry Building (hey, it’s the little things…): http://sf.funcheap.com/great-peach-event/ 🍑
You’re discounting yourself?!
Those are my distant relatives.
I don’t mind paying top dollar…
This may have been discussed during the latter part of last night’s game but they need to figure out something with the seagulls. Put a barge out in the Bay with food on it or something. I don’t know the answer but it’s a problem that needs to be addressed. Not only a nightmare to be out there but just an awful look on TV, night after night.
They used to have a hawk.
Now that you mention it I recall that…get another hawk or two or three.
And he hung around for awhile, then flew away. He had a name. Clutch-Up would know.
Shit happens rule?
Do you remember the really old joke about chicken shit?
Do you know what the little black bit is inside the white part of chicken shit?
A bull’s eye.
I’ve just completed a study that researched the natural predators of the SF Giants seagull. Of course, it’s only fitting that the team that has a seal as a mascot and baby giraffes, pandas, sharks, etc, that there would also be these airborne species wreaking havoc on the patrons of AT&T. Further losing may help solve part of the problem – fewer people attending, fewer people affected. So there’s that.
I have concluded that the way to solve the problem is to fight fire with fire which means to unleash natural seagull predators – hawks and falcons. That would take care of the seagull problem. But as for the resultant hawk and falcon problem…
Maybe we can buy one of those War Eagles that U of Auburn trains to fly around the stadium before the game? I was watching a game last year and they mentioned the school has three of them. Let him lose around 10 pm and reel him in when the game’s over. 🙂
I went to the game Monday night and there were only a couple, it was weird. Maybe because the Giants were on a road trip and ASB so the seagulls weren’t used to going there for a week. I agree, it is a problem. It’s unnerving to try to watch the game while keeping an eye out for those things for fear of getting pooped on. I’ve seen some fans using umbrellas to protect themselves. The fans in the bleachers learned that loud noises startle the seagulls away and I’ve seen them banging on the aluminum stands. You’re right, the teams need to have some hawks or falcons there.
Drones? Or fireworks.
A roster move coming today. Who will it be?
Alex PavlovicVerified account @PavlovicNBCS 12m12 minutes ago
Giants will make a roster move today. Okert appears to be the first part … bullpen needs fresh arms.
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Hope this doesn’t mean they’re giving up (releasing) Hwang! Maybe a DL stint or back to Sacramento? Calixte will start today. Pavs also says they’ll be calling up another pitcher, so still another move coming.
Andrew BaggarlyVerified account @extrabaggs 4m4 minutes ago
Calixte is being activated. It appears the ride is ending for Jae-gyun Hwang.
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Hope not but if it is hope he gets a shot somewhere else.
if that’s the entire shot they’re giving hwang, then that’s horse sh**
This is the Giants new mode of operation. Make moves like this to divert the attention from the miserable performances of the starting staff and core position players.
saw this guy last night at the beach. great show. he may have been suggesting to SF fans what they could use to get through this awful season with this tune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zAThXFOy2c
Great song.
At least Hwang is still in the organization:
Alex PavlovicVerified account @PavlovicNBCS 1m1 minute ago
It’s official: Okert and Hwang optioned to Triple-A, Albert Suarez and Calixte called up. That, my friends, is a roster move.
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Hwang will be the next Duvall !
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If the losing continues, how long until Posey tells them he’d like to go elsewhere?
If he feels the organization is doing their best, he’ll stay longer than you. You quit the Niners. Staley and Bowman didn’t.
Think realistically. He’s already 30. His prime will be coming to an end relatively soon. I doubt he wants to spend the rest of his best years losing. If this continues much longer, and all indications are that it will, I think it’s a very real possibility that he might want to go somewhere where he has a better chance to win. The Braves, for example, have the deepest minor league system, appear to be on the rise, and play in Posey’s home state. Weren’t they even his favorite team growing up?
I didn’t say it isn’t possible. But, SF gets the advantage – and see what I said – if he feels the organization is doing their best. They haven’t recently. He and I hope that changes.
If you looked at Posey the man instead of the ball player, you’d know he won’t be playing for Atlanta for many years to come.
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