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Greek Giant
The Giants made two semi-surprising picks for the first two rounds of the 2017 draft. Their first pick, 19th overall, went to Heliot Ramos, a Puerto Rican outfielder with five tools and lots of praise from many scouts. You can learn more about him here.
Their second pick was Jacob Gonzalez, the son of former Diamondbacks star Luis Gonzalez and a high school infielder.
Per Brisbee at McCovey Chronicles:
Gonzalez was ranked the eighth-best third baseman in the draft according to Baseball America, and the 123rd-best prospect overall. Here’s your once-a-post reminder not to care about the various rankings versus where the Giants draft. They have their own ditty playing in their heads.
I predict both players will be MVPs, in 2020 and 2021, as the Giants win two titles in a row.
Congratulations to the Warriors and Kevin Durant. That was some impressive basketball.
Breckeroni says I hope you’re right about this.
“I predict both players will be MVPs, in 2020 and 2021, as the Giants win two titles in a row.” seems a cogent argument to me!
Joining a team anchored by Posey, MadBum, Arroyo, Panik, Slater, Blach, Beede, Crawford, Jones, and Belt.
The Giants Minor League Family Softball Game is getting interesting now:
The Arenados, the Hewyards, the Gonzalezes and Dunstons.
One of these days, the blood line strategy will pay off. Hoping for something similar to the way the Dodgers have cashed in on Seager (Corey and brother Kyle) and Bellinger (Cody and papa Clay).
It has failed in the past: Niekro line got a big bonus and advantages and went no where. I recall it because a friend of mine had a son competing against him.
Bobby Bonds’ kid was aw’ight
that Pirate pick was aw’ight ! 🙂
Giants picked him first, but Bob Lurie was too cheap to sign him out of HS — apparently they were not far apart on money.
http://www.elysianfielders.com/the-giants-pick-barry-bonds-in-the-1982-draft/ — according to this they were $5K apart and Frank Robinson offered the Giants front office to pay it himself — he knew that Barry was special.
The Giants also drafted Pete Incaviglia that year but would not pay him $15K to sign — they only signed 2 of their top 10 picks. What a mess of an organization they were until Al Rosen was brought in.
It was GM Tom Haller.
The Giants, were scouting Bonds . The club was impressed enough to tab the teenager with its second pick in the 1982 draft. Barry, however, had already received a scholarship offer from baseball powerhouse Arizona State, where a distant cousin, Reggie Jackson, had been a star in the 1960s. When the Giants came to sign Barry, Bobby—who was in the midst of his final pro season with Columbus of the International League—insisted on a $75,000 signing bonus. At the time, this was more than most second-rounders received, though not an outrageous request considering the bloodline involved. San Francisco chipped five grand off Bobby’s demand, figuring the offer would be enough for Barry (who didn’t need the money anyway, thanks to a wealthy dad). The Giatns were wrong. Displaying his signature stubbornness, Barry dumped San Francisco and decided to attend Arizona State.
-Jock_Bio-
The Bochy Memorial Grudge Match!
Jacob Gonzalez’s older brother, Luis Jr., is also in the draft. Be something if the Giants took him, too. He’s a CF.
part of triplets?
I thought it cool when Moises Alou joined the Giants and played for Felipe.
Baseball America on Ramos
“He has a plus arm from the outfield and has the potential to stay in center field,” the publication wrote. “He has very loose hands and a knack for making hard contact, but he will expand the strike zone and take off-balance swings.
So, while he has the plus bat speed and loose wrists to develop into a good hitter, his offensive approach will require refinement in the minor leagues.”
Gee, what great player didn’t require some refinement in the minor leagues?
Looking at the video of his BP in the cage Ramos doesn’t look like any 17 year I ever went to school with. (I take that back–there was one “kid” who, in 1965 when this was unheard of, went directly from high school to the NFL, where he got two Super Bowl rings with the Dolphins.)
I have no idea whether Ramos can play but that kid is chiseled–looks like a younger version of Yasiel Puig, but hopefully with a better head. He has what Dick Vitale described as a “lobby” body–as in looks like a player from seeing him walk through the hotel lobby.
Described by BA as a high risk high reward pick. Let’s hope he can play and that GG is correct.
I thought of Justin Upton, who made his debut at 19.
that would be sweetness – Upton was like #1 overall pick, right?
And Trout was ….
But yeah, he was 1. Pretty good draft that yr. Alex Gordon Ryan Zimmerman Braun Tulo McCutcheon Ellsbury
But Upton was a refined player at that age and I think he was the No. 1 pick in the draft.
Trout went 25.
You know Trout was a flop in 2011 in his first time up with the Angels. He hit in the low .200’s. When he came back in 2012, he set baseball on fire. I’ve always wondered what they did to tune him up in AAA in a ~100 PA’s in early 2012 that created a .320 hitter on his return. You see sort of the same event with Posey, Gwynn, and others who eventually blossom in MLB.
Risk is right. Both of these picks carry significantly more risk than the more conservative collegiate picks. Dodgers went conservative with Kendall and a U of Texas power right handed starter.
How could you have a worse head?
He has no hit tool. They’ll have to try and remake him from the ground up. Maybe that’s the origin of the impulse to take him out of high school, time to remake him at the plate. Right now, he grows into another .220 hitter.
How would you have any idea about this kid?
I spent some time researching, and formed an opinion. Try it.
LOL at try it sometime….. PAL SJ PAL stadium
Ok. You’re the expert who has nailed how many draft picks?
I’ve listened to a lot of guys who are experts, watched him at the plate for the film that is available, and I have an opinion. I suppose I have about as much insight as anyone here with regard to his likely success. He’s a rebuild, IMO. Good thing he’s young, and let’s hope the Giants can teach hitting skills that work anywhere above AAA.
My only point is who knows? So called Experts are wrong all the time.
Maybe wishful thinking given The Giants track record with OFer and int’l players.
Contrary to some posts last night criticizing the draft picks, and even to the tongue in cheek MVP prediction by my good friend Hunter Pence– no, make that Greek Giant– I would venture say that unless someone from the baseball side of the Giants front office or another team is trolling on this site, none of us here have the slightest idea as to whether these are great picks or terrible. We’ll see in a few years–particularly with the high school kid. But to criticize or praise now is–dare I say it–just plain nuts.
I think its safe to say we won’t see these picks at ATT for a good long while. The whole ball club will look different. Bochy will definitely be gone. Will Buster, Brandons and Bumgarner still be Giants?
Who knows? We’re seeing more 19-20 yr old’s in the big’s having a impact.
Those kids arrived with developed tools, and just required tweeking.
Yes. They will.
Could definitely see the kid Ramos in CF by 2021, when Posey and Crawford will be 34, Bum 31, Belt 33.
The 2009 103 win Yanks were no spring chickens with Posada 37 (who btw caught 100 games and put up a .885 ops), Jeter, Damon and Matsui 35, Arod, 33 Pettite 37 and Rivera 39.
They’re low likelihood of success picks.
That’s what high risk, high reward means. Obviously I have no idea about these players, but mid to late first round, I’m ok with the strategy of going for high upside potential. Apparently Ramos stock was rising off a masterful game at Wrigley when he was a double away from the cycle off some high end pitching.
I hope the kid is successful. But I’ve watched the film available on him, and at bat, he’s blender bait in MLB. It’ll take a lot of work, and change, IMO, to get there. My point is, he’s not a ‘natural’ and we should be prepared to cut him plenty of slack as a MiLB prospect.
Who said my predictions were tongue in cheek?
Lovely young greek girly cheeks
POTD – aka Kipling’s “IF”
Happy 5th anniversary of Cain’s perfecto!
It’s been 5 years already? Where did the time go?
I’ll never forget the date of his perfect game because it’s my dad’s birthday and I went out to dinner with my family instead of attending that game. I give my dad grief about it all the time 😉
We were at a work dinner (for my husband) at a Napa winery. It was boring and I kept sneaking peeks at my phone to see how the Giants were doing. They were stomping, but around the 5th inning, I noticed that Cain had something special going. On the ride back to Davis, we heard about Blanco’s catch. Anyway, we completely missed watching it live and were glad it was re-aired the next night. Pretty exciting stuff.
I am literally too happy to settle down and get any work done today.
Here’s a lovely piece by the Merc’s Dan Brown on Steve Kerr: http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/13/tears-cheers-for-steve-kerr-as-warriors-coach-completes-personal-comeback-with-nba-title/
Dan is a fellow Aggie and a great writer, and I’m a fan.
The name Ali Haji-Sheikh just popped into my mind. Talk about a blast from the kicker past. Great name. But it’s no Donald Igwebuike.
Bennie and Jets?
Not sure I like this new video. The Rocket Man and Tiny Dancer ones are pretty stellar, however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo1OwRTRKRk
Hold me closer Tony Danza?
But Sheikh did kick for the Jets, right?
Giants, as far as I know, bud. Perhaps the Jets as well? Sorry for not getting the Jets reference. Usually I am on it!
What the hell were they thinking? Absurd is just too kind.
Yeah it is pointless. Elton deserves better than that. They tried for the futuristic all-female sci fi supergroup, which was the original theme of the lyrics, and instead we get this bizarro futuristic Paul Mitchell fashion show/audition/whatever the eff this is.
In my dorm, we called him Ali Haji-Shank. We also mocked Raul AllLeftgre.
LOL. Literally just did that. Good stuff, Skweezy Jefferson.
Pretty nice when your first off-day at home of the season happens to be on the day the local NBA team is playing for a championship right over the Bay Bridge. Law, Kontos, Crawford, and Pence were all at the game.
https://twitter.com/carmenkiew/status/874505254032859136
Law looks weird even in normal clothes.
Think they paid a little less for theirs.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/report-fan-pays-record-amount-tickets-game-5-nba-finals
It was also Kontos’ birthday last night. Hope he didn’t party too hard!
Wow surprising to see something from Carmen that isn’t a gif.
3rd Round Pick, how about a collegiate catching prospect. From defensive standpoint, this guy sounds like great pick, Matthew Whatley out of Oral Roberts:
“One of the best catching prospects in the Minors is the Rangers’ Jose
Trevino, a sixth-round pick out of Oral Roberts in 2014. Three years
later, the Golden Eagles have another standout behind the plate in
Whatley. He’ll be one of the first college backstops drafted in June,
coming off the board as early as the third round. Unlike Trevino, who
bounced all over the diamond in college, Whatley has started at catcher
since arriving in Tulsa. He may be the best all-around defender among
college backstops, combining arm strength with solid receiving and
blocking skills. He’s athletic for his position and even runs the bases
well, albeit with below-average speed. Whatley struggled with wood bats
in the Cape Cod League last summer and has slumped as a junior, in part
because he’s trying to do too much at the plate. Instead of letting his
power come naturally, he’s getting too long with his right-handed swing
and too pull-happy. He may not hit for a high average but he does draw a
lot of walks.”
Aramis is MyGuy™ but I have to agree that C is a good place to be drafting. If it was not for that ankle getting nuked Buster would have anchored that spot for 10 years.
Giants draft next and Whatley is still available I think.
Keep your clothes on and check what happens.
EDIT: LHP out of high school …http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/210960834/v1324210683/draft-report-seth-corry-high-school-pitcher/?tcid=draft-tracker-player-id-780034
I guess they like Aramis Garcia for now?
Anyone going to the parade? I plan on being there around 7. Hope that it’s better than 2015 cuz it sucked.
Why did 2015 suck?
The parade itself was awful and was about 25 mins.
No, but I’m dreading having to BART to work that morning and trying to find a parking spot at my station.
Call in sick
My boss said I can work from home that day
Debating on that. My office overlooks the last part of the parade route, and it wasn’t too crazy. This time I can see Durant and the new arm candy on Lacob’s arm or in the car they’re going to be in during the parade.
The arm candy trophy is getting anxious. Lacob has called her his fiance for five yrs now
Really I was there and thought it was solid. Was not 25 min
Here: http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/13/warriors-parade-what-you-need-to-know/
Enough basketball, already!
Except a number of the people here need to savor their championship a bit longer (that’s reasonable). I’m glad there is a game tonight!
Endure just a little bit longer 🙂
Laugh out loud moment of the day…..Jimmy Traina of SI.com noted that Lebron kept his “ragtag team” in contention till the end.
really? what a schmuck
“Ragtag,” huh? With All-Stars Kyrie, Love, and Korver, excellent big man Tristan Thompson, J.R. Smith hitting bombs…yeah, poor LBJ had nothing to work with.
And they were healthy this year. The only excuse they can make for not winning is “It’s no fair that the Warriors got Durant.”
Lebron also claimed he never joined a “Super” team. What was he was doing in Miami then?
Egos drive these guys Jordan, Bird and Lebron use their egos as fuel. It seems its hard to be humble and good in the NBA. For me that is why KD and Step are so refreshing from the norm.
Technically true. He didn’t join one. He created one, which was much more calculated than Durant’s choice.
Giants won’t be able to draft Gonzalez’ CF brother – he went to the White Sox
Heliot Ramos was born in 1999. Holy moly.
I have underwear that old. TMI?
YES.
Just kidding– I think–have to go check.
DO keep us posted! 🙂
Definitely.
Eat your hearts out ladies.
Give us a break and not.
Hey Matthew, I’d like you to explain how I’m a “bully.” It’s you that loses it and becomes the temperamental name caller, all because you have a great deal of trouble with the fact I don’t have entirely positive opinions about a couple of your favorite athletes. While I’m usually alone in my opinions, you’re always joined by your boy Rob, who last night added the very entertaining threat of slapping me for my views. You should probably stick to some of your other favorite names, because “bully” really doesn’t fit.
Not sure you saw my suggestion for a TWG Roundtable on this issue at a SJ Giants game … I will moderate and bring my old metal catchers mask.
This stuff seems to work so much better in person.
You’re right. Nobody would be threatening anyone in person.
Exactly.
I will advise you if I get any takers and we can work out a date. Are you a BlueMoonGuy™? I am buying the first round in honor of Heliot Ramos.
I’m Mr. Excitement….pretty much a non-drinker.
Me too … I can nurse one beer all night.
I’ll show up in my peach costume
That couldn’t hurt.
I grew up in the Peach Bowl of the World and stayed mellow.
The rest of TWG could surround us and chant “fight, fight, fight.”
I think you guys need to meet at some random gas station in Hayward and get this all settled.
FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!!!
Thanks.
Did you get sent to the Principals office a lot?
Yes. Suspended once, as well. They call me “Gas Can Sincere.”
Should you two just block each other or with that do away with all the fun?
Matthew doesn’t make me mad. I have no reason to block him.
You do make them mad. Like really get under their skin. They see it as you deliberately making comments to irk them.
Obviously. It’s not true, but even if it was, I still don’t get the anger.
It’s there. And I don’t think the “I’m not mad, I’m not angered, why are you mad?” statements help. I think they make it worse. Perhaps something like “this is my statement, that’s yours, if you can’t handle it, let’s move along” would work
Matthew flips out at me too. He has issues.
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I thought you were kinda mad, broKev 🙂
I don’t get mad at children. Their parents, yes.
Let me clear something up for you. I’m not “angry” as you like to assert, sorry to break it to you since it disrupts your narrative. I often laugh out loud at your posts due to the sheer ridiculousness and the obvious intent that you have. I’m never mad at you, I’m sad for you. Any shit-disturber has issues and their behavior exposes them. That saddens me. I don’t want people to harbor those. Last nite, in the final minute, wth the game decided, you opted to bash Curry. It was a perfect example of your MO. How truly awful for you at a time of absolute bliss, winning another title and paying back the Cavs for last year, THAT’S where your mind went. And let’s also not take my slap comment out of context, as I said it would be done like an older brother trying to shake you from your stupidity. Maybe not a nice sentiment, but far from a violent threat. But whatever, you’ll continue to do what you do and then feign shock at the responses you receive and indignation at people “piling” on you when 99% of your posts consist of you ridiculing a player. But it’s just a “blog” and these are just your “opinions” and you’ll never “understand” why anyone “cares” since you certainly don’t care what anyone “thinks” about you. It’s wonderfully crafted. God bless.
Ok, tough guy.
Bwhahahahahaha. Awesome.
Most COPS symbolically cannot take their gun off there hip/holster on down time or days off. My ex-roommate told me that, he is correct and he is a retired police officer. However COPS don’t agree with that statement – usually hate the picture it paints.
LHP out of HS it is, Seth Corry:
When the 2017 spring high school season began, Corry jumped on the radar
with a very strong start to his senior campaign. He hasn’t backed that
up with consistent performances, but the glimpses of very good stuff
from the left side could be enough to entice teams to draft him early.
At times, Corry has been lights out, resembling a young Matt Moore type.
He has good, but raw stuff. He’ll consistently sit in the 90-92 mph
range, touching 94 mph on occasion. His best pitch is his curve, thrown
78-79 mph, which he spins well and uses to miss bats. Corry does have
good feel for a changeup as well, and it could eventually be an average
pitch. His problem is getting to his secondary stuff as poor fastball
command hasn’t allowed him to get ahead to use the breaking ball to put
hitters away consistently. Corry, a BYU commit, is a terrific athlete on
the mound, one who played free safety on his football team. He brings
that type of mentality to the diamond, which could further attract teams
willing to be patient in helping him command his fastball. Two players
have previously been drafted out of Lone Peak High School, both in the
48th round. Corry is sure to beat that by plenty, and not just because
the Draft is now capped at 40 rounds.
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/210960834/v1324210683/draft-report-seth-corry-high-school-pitcher/?tcid=draft-tracker-player-id-780034
Sounds intriguing
Dodgers picked another guy that would have seemingly fit well on the Giants, a catcher type:
Wong started immediately at Houston as a freshman shortstop before
making the transition to catching as sophomore a year ago. He earned
all-star honors behind the plate in the Cape Cod League last summer,
leading the circuit with 72 total bases, and has upped his offensive
production this spring. In a down year for catchers in the Draft, he
should be one of the first selected and could climb as high as the third
round. Wong has a simple swing and he recognizes pitches and controls
the strike zone well, so he should hit for a decent average. Though he’s
not very physical, he provides some sneaky power from the right side of
the plate. His above-average speed may be his best pure tool, which is
rare for a catcher, and he has the instincts to steal some bases as
well. Quick and athletic behind the plate, Wong still needs to polish
his throwing and receiving but has the tools to be at least average in
both regards. While he’s strong for his size — charitably listed at
5-foot-11 and 180 pounds — he’s small for a catcher and there’s some
concern about whether he’ll be able to handle the workload of a long pro
season. If not, he fits the utility profile because he’s capable of
playing almost anywhere on the diamond.
and Rangers got C Whatney a couple picks later.
You were right on him … #104 pick and he was ranked #104. He may be happier in Texas coming out of ORU?
I wonder if Luis Gonzalez has ever had an honest talk with his son about how he managed to hit 57 HRs in one season. I don’t blame any player who used in that era, but I do wonder if it’s something you talk about with your kids, especially a son who’s about to become a pro.
If he’s a smart kid, he knows. And it’s just acknowledged. Maybe Luis Sr. was adulterous and that’s known too.
I would hope so. I have two sons and my best talks are about my biggest mistakes.
I wouldn’t call it a mistake. It was just the way things were at the time.
I think that given the health consequences now known that the PED users which they had not used. That is what I mean by “mistakes”; things I would do different with what I know now.
The more interesting scenario was Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs, shattering his previous career high of 21.
Noah Syndergaard is a food zealot. Positively Pencian.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/all-star-pitcher-noah-syndergaards-kryptonite
Except for the gravy Bowl of Doom sounds good.
Your last two words could be used as an alliterative term for one of the Reverend’s speeches. Good stuff.
Now anything goes for the rebuilding Giants.
Except for the gravy Bowl of Doom sounds good.
Some examples of these mid-level draft picks:
Giants … 4 Crawford … 5 Belt, Smardj, Blach
Cubs … 5 Arrieta … 6 Zobrist, Rizzo … 8 Hendricks
doggers … 4 Bellinger … 7 Turner … 11 Pederson
It’s next year’s draft that’s going to be really interesting.
Big time. Already excited.
Too apropos not to repeat it:
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A RHP, relief prospect with the 4th pick, Garret Cave:
Cave began his college career at Florida International, struggling there for two years, especially as a starter during his sophomore season. He starred in the Cape Cod League as a closer last summer, ahead of his transfer to Division II Tampa, where he has continued to show off tremendous arm strength. The 6-foot-4 right-hander shows a premium fastball that typically touches 97-98 mph, and he’s been able to maintain his velocity even as a starter this spring for Tampa. He throws two breaking balls, with his power 86-88 mph slider a better option than his 80-82 mph curveball, though he’ll throw the latter more often. He does have a changeup, but it’s well behind the other three pitches. Command has always been an issue for Cave, even when he threw well out of the bullpen on the Cape. It’s why many evaluators think a full-time return to a relief role makes the most sense at the next level, though there are some teams who might be willing to send him out as a starter to see if he can refine his delivery and control. But with his power stuff, if he can find the strike zone a bit more consistently, he has big league closer potential.
Here he is…http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/210960834/v1324210883/draft-report-garrett-cave-college-pitcher/?tcid=draft-tracker-player-id-399492
Sounds like Hunter Strickland. How’s his uppercut?
Best name and Location of Round 5
Jonny Homza, 3B from South Anchorage HS … baseball in Alaska?
EDIT: not surprisingly going to San Diego to thaw out.
That’s rad! by the Padres. Untapped potential in the arctic!
Top C still around: Skoug from TCU … Ranked #48 … damaged goods?http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/210960834/v1214590983/draft-report-evan-skoug-college-catcher/?tcid=draft-tracker-player-id-399475
Giants are approaching their Round 5 pick.
doesn’t sound like Skoug will stick behind plate at all
Okay; not what the Giants want then; already have that in Aramis.
What would Lon think? (Good radio audio down below)
http://bayarearadio.org/sports/giants/index.shtml
Predicting another gas can or blowtorch with the 5th round pick.
Speaking of blowtorch, Alien was on TV last night. How the heck did that baby alien grow up so big and strong so quick? What was it eating? Rats aboard the ship? Anyhow, the moral of that story is that androids are bad.
another big Floridian collegiate pen arm it seems – Jason Bahr
Lunch time; you and I really better get back to work.
Giants get a C from the pacman on the first round. Dudes could be great but they are still teenagers. Dodgers got an A. Really loved their pick.
Actually, they did not get a C. They have not drafted a catcher when the system could use more bodies behind Posey.
So what is your grade?
TBD 🙂 but I’m not thrilled with their plan of attack
You know I like the Dodger pick for them because of all the talent they already have in the OF. But the kid is 5’10” 170, doesn’t look to imposing physically.
The Big Gosh Darn Greek Giant said: Congratulations to the Warriors and Kevin Durant. That was some impressive basketball.
In watching a myriad of TV shows Canuck Land and listening on Sirus – true blue basketball observers said the 129 to 120 win by the Warriors may have been the highest-skill-level-basketball game ever played by two teams. Steve Kerr and Jerry West both said at one point they looked out on the court and marveled at the talent level on both sides not wanting to lose. I mean JR Smith makes 7/8 from three point distance, many from Stephen Curry Land.
The Warriors were ready to take a 17 point lead into half time but Smith hit two threes in consecutive possessions to cut it to 11. Shaun Livingston is a Mensa on the court and Andre Iguodala can throw back the hands of time in nothing flat SOARING among the rafters ala Doctor J to throw down to Dunks. People who come up with anything negative about LeBron James from here going forward should have to wear their own hater sign on their forehead. To quote Barnett “It is his 14th season, isn’t he getting any worse, my god”?
Who cares if he does not one thing better than Jordan-Magic or Bird, he’s Basketball Nirvana to his teammates and fans. He speaks well of others, is very articulate and has had zero off the court missteps. After games 1-2-3 he said the Warriors have the most fire power he has ever played against. This game counted so much to the wellbeing and health of Kerr that he made coaching decisions to not play Clark – Magee or McAdoo.
McCaw the raw rookie had his rookie moments and then he held his own. Klay guarded Irving – Love and Tristan Thompson. OMG, who does that scoring 11 points at 34 minutes. Draymond, who was the number one reason that last night’s win – was not three championships in a row also played more minutes than everybody but LeBron. Plus he caught out of the air on what could have been a bad fall, with help from Kyrie Irving.
David West got his first ring and played the old school part of Larry (Mr. Mean) Smith and Bill Bridges. The refs realized that the dust up he was involved with did not deserve two-technicals because the original fracas had wound down until Tristan Thompson started it up again.
ZaZa got to wear his flag from his country Tbilisi, Georgia. Steph acting like the Finals veteran that he is played the same amount as did KD (40M) with 34 pts. 10 assists and 6 rebounds. If the Dubs needed two more MVP candidates besides the deserving KD it would have been Iguodala/Curry. Cleveland played like true Champions that were just trying to get to game 6 (no thanks to Kyle Korver 3pts)
For Dr. Lefty and other Warriors fans basking in the glory: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jun/13/golden-state-warriors-steve-kerr-nba-championship
a really nice piece in The Guardian on Steve Kerr.
What did you think of the speculation they may not go to the White House?
Most likely the players have the same opinion of this POTUS as does Steve Kerr.
I think at this point it’s not speculation anymore. I say kudos to them, and I would have been surprised if they decided to go. Word is the Cavs would also have declined the WH visit if they had won. Cubs are lucky they got their visit in before Obama left.
‘Cept for Jake. Too busy.
Not sure if this is politics or politeness … If the president invites you to come and be honored does it matter if you agree with him? I am Resisting the boycott idea for now based on civility.
It’s cool not to go the the White House if you don’t like Trump. It would’ve been very wrong and disrespectful not to go the White House if you didn’t like Obama.
Exactly.
Perhaps they want to show honor and respect for their wives, daughters, mothers, and sisters by not hobnobbing with a sexual predator, a pervert, and a philanderer who objectifies and demeans women.
Fake post!! :o)
What a minute is Bill Clinton president again …
Sorry but you threw a softball up there.
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That’s what I was thinking too. I’m not the Donald Trump cheerleader, and I wish the country would have had better choices. He’s the President, though. You’re right, Lefty, if people feel strongly that they don’t want to go, no one is forcing them. It’s an invitation, and it can be accepted or declined. The whole thing about championship teams getting invited to the White House is pretty stale anyway.
I am not a Trump fan, but there is no way in Heck I want Pence as Pres.
THe entire line of succession is pretty scary. Clueless Pence Smug Ryan Omg Orin Hatch T Rex Tillerson…
We’re truly fooked, et.
The common counter to that is “Clinton isn’t President anymore,” but somehow, even though all of the allegations about Clinton were public while he WAS President, that was apparently different from the current situation with Trump.
He ISN’T President anymore. Just once I’d like to see a Trumpster actually defend their guy instead of pointing the finger at someone else.
I assume they don’t because they can’t. Trump is a filthy, disgusting pig. Doesn’t matter if someone in the past was, too. If that person were President now, then his supporters should have to defend their choice, too. Right now it’s Trump.
Trump is boorish and petty, but he isn’t worse than Hitler and only became President because the Democrats chose an awful candidate whose personal qualities aren’t any better that Trump’s. It’s the over-the-top hysteria and the hypocrisy of both sides that I have a problem with.
Who brought up Hitler? HaakAway started this by suggesting the Warriors would be behaving badly–violating politeness and civility–if they didn’t want to go see Trump.
Steph Curry is a fine Christian family man of character and integrity. Steve Kerr is a thoughtful, articulate, courageous guy. And Haak has the temerity to criticize them, for potentially (because it’s not decided yet, either way) living up to their beliefs and principles if they don’t want to go make nice with the Groper-In-Chief.
If Jake Arrieta didn’t want to go see Obama or if someone hadn’t wanted to visit Hillary Clinton had she been elected, I’d support that, too. Honestly, I don’t care at all who goes to the White House or not. People should be true to their beliefs, and it’s still a free country.
I wasn’t talking about you, but there are more than a few hyperventalators who have.
Are equating a blowjob to potential treason. Imagine my surprise.
Try to stay on topic. Lefty was suggesting that the Warriors might boycott the White House as a way of showing respect to their female loved ones. She wasn’t talking about your treason pipe dream. And I’m not talking about Monica Lewinsky. I’m referring to a woman who accused Clinton of raping her and another who said he exposed himself.
You sense of mortal, moral outrage is breathtaking. BTW, you brought up Clinton, not me.
It’s hilarious the way you Trumpsters can’t defend your guy. Just “what-aboutism.”
You can’t defend the indefensible, so you try to deflect it. I’m disappointed in that coming from you.
C’mon, Dr. – nobody’s perfect.
I guess this sounds about right. Obama is cool, Trump is most definitely not cool, and that’s putting it mildly.
I don’t think anyone should have to go to the White House if they don’t want to, regardless of who the President is. I thought there were a couple of athletes (Tom Brady?) who boycotted because they were anti-Obama.
The Jake-ster.
Right, Jake Arrieta. Figures.
Aside from baseball’s kerfuffles, I heard this on NPR this AM and wondered what your opinions/thoughts were.
The ‘Thumbprint Of The Culture’: Implicit Bias And Police Shootings
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/05/531578107/the-thumbprint-of-the-culture-implicit-bias-and-police-shootings
I think it’s a load of crap, but also an excellent money making opportunity for those peddling implicit bias training.
That isn’t the issue at all, as I’d think you’d know if you listened to it. It seems to say that the police aren’t the issue at all, and really maps on to the bad apple theory, as does the data about the Chicago police, I might add. It doesn’t provide an answer, it poses a question.
Most problems in society can be traced to people becoming parents when they are not capable of doing the job.
That’s just BS.
Convincing argument, but I’m thinking I have a little more experience with the topic than you do.
Not really. At any moment Trump might revert and go off Pu$$y grabbing the Warriors wives and girlfriends.
He hasn’t even invited them yet. He’s too busy tweeting.
Given that neither politeness nor civility is a value of Trump’s, it seems one-sided to hold the athletes to it.
Trump just blamed the GOP House membership for their ‘mean’ healthcare bill, effectively throwing them under the bus for the same legislation he championed a month ago. You can add integrity and courage to your list of absent attributes. He seems even an unreliable scoundrel.
Wait, didn’t he have a party in the Rose Garden to celebrate that?
Yes, but he is unencumbered by the truth. And perhaps doesn’t even remember the big House+Trump event?
OOOhhh yeah. It was fantastic!
With Bud Lite to wash that shite down.
Would a Pence White House change the calculus at all?
Politics aside, when you visit The White House, you anticipate meeting someone presidential. Not saying Pence is entirely qualified either, but he can probably act the part to some degree.
I frankly don’t know.
Hunter Pence would be a fine President.
He would definitely motivate his staff – which he probably would have filled by now with all his energy!
As you see, apparently, by asking this question, Pence was made the De facto Doomsday Device (DDD) by him being the running mate of Trump in the election. DDD now as successor to the presidency provides food for thought for Trump’s enemies.
Very true. Our guy Doughnut has referenced this matter.
Speaking of Doomsday, can you get past the Giants passing on a Vandy Dandy?
Don’t you think they could have worked those tools, cut back his K’s, and installed a fine CF for the future?
Pence is not entirely qualified to be Gov. of Indiana.
I think given the ownerships politics, they won’t go at all. This is not just a players thing but should be the organization standing up for their culture. It would be hypocritical to go.
I suspect The Donald won’t invite them. A pre-emptive strike, if you will.
good!
Of course the penguins are going Duh!
Considering the majority of the players are foreigners and may from Canada he may not. He should be careful though there is atleast 1 covert operative from Russia on the team.
https://www.nhl.com/penguins/roster
Are the Warriors Champions? I haven’t heard of it maybe they are maybe they aren’t we’ll see. I will let you know in a few days or sometime, but you know the media and all their fake news, I’ll get to the bottom of it and let you know. Maybe you’ll like what I have to say maybe you won’t.
Whoa – that’s a pretty good Trump impersonation. Or did he say that? All sorts of shit comes out of his mouth and fingertips.
No Cinco de Mayo for you Californians!
As Tony Bruno would say “Beautiful man – Beautiful”…
NCAA Rule – Reversing a Catch Call’s Runner Placement
http://www.closecallsports.com/2017/06/ncaa-rule-reversing-catch-calls-runner.html
Sounds like the Giants found another Steve Duggar type in the 6th round, Bryce Johnson:
A three-year starter at Sam Houston State, Johnson is one of the better athletes and up-the-middle defenders in a college crop light in those areas. He has improved his numbers each season with the Bearkats, taking up switch-hitting as a sophomore in 2016 and reeling off a 46-game on-base streak. Johnson’s game centers around his speed, which draws well-above-average grades from some evaluators. He uses it well on the bases, where he ranked seventh in NCAA Division I with 30 steals entering the regional playoffs, and in center field. He chases down balls from gap to gap and has a knack for throwing out runners with his average arm. Johnson employs more of a contact approach from the left side of the plate and shows more feel for hitting and drives the ball better from his natural right side, albeit with little home run power. He understands that his role is to be a tablesetter and accrues a healthy amount of walks and hit-by-pitches. If he can get more consistent with his swing, he could bat near the top of a pro lineup.
Giants 8 Round is a pitcher for Cal State Fullerton. Are not they in the College WS? Maybe watching that can give us more info.
Cubs took a Fresno State pitcher … did you tip them off to him?
The CSUF’s! or is it CSFU’s? I forget which is which !
Cal State University Fullerton Titans.
Another Steve Duggar you make it sound like this Duggar guy has made some nice accomplishments in the major leagues this year and last and years past I love you Foothills but dang dude!
https://twitter.com/GoSquirrels/status/874730268728360961
Cool! Good for him.
Has to now get that soft body in shape 🙂
He does look a bit nerdy.
OMAHA the final 8
http://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/article/2017-06-12/college-world-series-pairings-game-times-and-tv-schedule-announced?utm_source=ABCA+Press+Box+-+June+13%2C+2017&utm_campaign=Press+Box+061317&utm_medium=email
When Hunter retires he should become the Giants version of the FREEZE.
Or maybe the Bullet Darren Ford
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/19619636/catching-braves-viral-sensation
Hey, the Giants did tab a catcher in the 10th round. Not anybody rated in the Top 20 of catching draft prospects, but somebody to be an org catcher in the minor league system. Way to go. Kid from U. of Illinois, Chicago.
Before that was a run of three John Barr tall pitching prospects, nobody listed shorter than 6’5″.
Pitching is good: if you develop too much, you can easily trade from the strength. One of the biggest problems with the team renewal project that is apparently underway is big obligations to Samardzija, Cueto, and even Moore and Melancon, plus a buy out to Matt Cain. Much better to have Blachs and Beedes coming through the pipeline.
I’m not exactly at your level of involvement in the draft. Is today the last day? Is 10th the last round?
tomorrow, rounds 11-30th, IIRC! But I’m out.
Good thing he drafted pitchers because were set for the foreseeable future with great hitting in SF and the lower minors!
What’s the lineup for tonight?
Divisiveness and second-guessing followed by moaning and finger-pointing.
I can’t top Rob’s answer, so let’s just be factual:
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You could become the free verse laureate of TWG very easily. Sort of TO’s muse. 😉
I’m Bette. He’s the wind beneath my wings.
LOL. He is ‘windy’ at times.
I’m slappy. Proved it last nite.
Good for you. Take up the mantle.
Peter does not like you. He just might slug you one.
Thank god for small favors.
Who is cleanup?
I’ve been on a prelapsarian road trip, and see that los Gigantes are still playing .400 ball, while every other team (Pads don’t count) is over .600.
prelapsarian
adjective [pree-lap-sair-ee-uh n]
1. characteristic of or pertaining to any innocent or carefree period: a prelapsarian youth.
2. Theology. occurring before the Fall: the prelapsarian innocence of Eden.
Can Slater field ok? Looks like a Hitter.
Hi Paul – missed you. It is a very small number of games, but Slater seems to have done better with the LF chance than just about anyone else who has been tried. There’s “legions” of them by now, in case you are looking for another word of the day.
Gracias, 610. :o)
I love it. Fits with antediluvian and antebellum in a way.
Slater is hitterish. He could be from the Hittite clan which had antediluvian roots. I don’t think he’ll hurt anybody out there, don’t think he’ll win a Gold Glove, but if Adam Duvall can put up positive fielding metrics, I’m sure Slater can too.
what’s the latest on JP12? anyone hear anything?
What I understand is that a sore thumb is the issue. The Giants hoped it would get better well short of a DL stint, but it looks like once again, they’re just playing a man short for much too long.
Hill in at 2B instead of Kelby (to compound my agony).
i share your pain. thanks ST..
I just spotted a Pavlovic tweet that says Bochy thinks Joe can play tomorrow.
Strickland hearing today – if he’s not suspended effective tonight, it sounds like they’d use him for a long outing as he’d be gone tomorrow anyway.
Supposed to be 12 pitchers and 12 position players during the suspension.
Conor Gillaspie gets two more days of rehab play, then he might be ready.
bochy also thought that joe would be ready tonight. i’m from missouri with regards to melon head..
Born in Kansas, which was settled by people moving west from Missouri. Indeed, “show me!”.
Me too. Hutchison.
Ridiculous
Amy G. botox on her day off? Looking good.
Good hair, excellent makeup
Uh huh
Taylor Swift!!!
She left the mini van at home.
Women are such a mystery.
Green sweater or whatever she’s wearing looks good on her
Two MVPs drafted in the first round. I think we can safely assume that Evans, Barr, and Co. netted a few all-stars and a few league average players today. Nice work fellahs. Your jobs are secure.
I don’t think we can assume any all-stars.
Dang, ROY Bellinger has hit 16 & 17 today (in 184 PAs). He was a 4th round pick out of HS in ’13. I think this is a good omen for Gonzalez’ kid in 2021.
If you believe in balance in the universe, the opposite is as likely.
I miss Gregor.
Bet Bochy does too.
Just because he could play all 3 positions and loved being a Giant?
And hit .270 with occasional power?? Ayup.
I’m laughing so hard tears are coming. Where’s Mike.
That old softy is probably feeding the kitties.
Wouldn’t Hector Sanchez be a nice backup at catcher. LOL
I had Hector as “MLB bench” player under the 2015 MyGuys rules. He was a tough dude, but nobody’s head can take getting conked so many times. I just checked, he’s on the Padre’s DL with a right foot contusion and a hamstring problem. Still “el Iman” it sounds like.
lorenzo cain would sure look good in orange and black. i believe a friend to us all has a bit of a mancrush.
He’s been an object of lust here since 2014.
Lorenzo Foothills?
HOLD ALL CARDS
If giants were buyers he’d so be the guy. Would they sign him over the winter at handsome cost to help the outfield?
He isn’t all that young anymore is the only concern
Won’t fit the rebuild plan.
But a serious upgrade for the old Guy club.
Ya but, call me crazy but I think we compete next year
Don’t know where offense is coming from. Can’t keep up with dogs and rocks.
No more 30-something outfielders. Just say no.
A lot of people wanted 32 year-old Alex Gordon when he was a free agent before last season. He’s hitting .181 and is owed $40 million over the next two years.
5-6-3 unusual DP
Purty too!
got him over now get him in
That’ll do
Ask and ye shall receive
Say what you will
Hill has been hitting it hard
Yes he has. Much better ABs
Panik still would have had that. Bad footwork.
Hands-down.
Not tonight.
E-3
Sheesh. Gordon’s #s!
Frightening . Dodged a bullit
I was all over him like a cheap suit
And he would have been out if he tried to score in 2014!
Has he been injured?
How was that a hit?
Almost looked like a push bunt to the left side. But that can’t be. Just plain trouble.
Greetings from Nashville, TN! NBCBAXYZ is actually allowing me to stream the game from here so I can watch the Gigantes battle while enjoying an adult beverage at Tootsies, the Orchid, and Honky Tonk Central. Salud!!
Really? Hubbs has been there for the last couple days. Just heading home tonight.
I’m sorry, but I have to ask, is Capps with him?
Yeah we were talking at the River Cats game that our trips would just miss. This place is a blast, that’s for sure.
Seriously jealous right now…
I just drank a shot in your honor
Have you hit Wildhorse Saloon or B.B King’s yet?
Why is Slater batting 8th?
“Gotta get Hill goin’. He’s a veteran hitter.”
He’s young. Very important to prevent him from getting cocky.
Oh, Hunter Pence…. How we miss you…
It’s so amazing to me how paid professional hitters can so easily and consistently roll over on outside pitches.
Hitting is a very hard thing to do.
I know it is. My point is the approach and bad habits seem too convenient.
Kruk: “One thing about San Quentin – they’ve got a great schedule. All home games.”
Kuip: “That never gets old, by the way.”
Purty funny!
Mousakis looks like he’s been at the cupcakes.
He is huge.
Does Slater have the arm for right field?
When Parker returns I say platoon him in RF with Pence. Two thirds of the starts for Parker, Pence just gets the lefties.
Parker is almost halfway to 29. It’s getting a little late for him.
He’s 14?
Almost 14 1/2.
He made a great catch, ran in to a wall and got hurt, he deserves one last shot. Right now less Pence would be a good thing and they don’t seem to have many other left handed outfield options. Not much to lose at this point.
Mac & Park one more shot apiece!
Are you still swinging a hot stick?
Not as good the past three games but I’m fielding well and we’ve won three straight. I got a nice hit to start a ninth inning rally to help pull out our last game. Hot start still has me around .400.
I hope that shark’s okay.
I’m actually more concerned about the shark right now than this game.
What happened? I am at the game.
There’s a shark out in the water (with leopard spots? 3 ft-ish?). I don’t know where exactly in the bay, but it’s just swimming around in circles at the surface of the water.
Now they are showing it on the big screen. Weird that it is on the surface.
Ha yeah, they showed on TV that they’re showing it at the game.
Toe shopping?
Is the bay/cove fresh water, and the shark needs salt water?
They’re showing a leopard shark swimming around McCovey Cove.
It’s Samardzija
Everybody has had a good AB this inning but Hill — 3-1 pop-up.
Two good lefties. Quick game.
Vargas has a Zito fastball — 83-85 but obviously controls it.
This article on possible Cavs deal options is worth a few chuckles, enjoy all: http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/cleveland-cavaliers-trade-kevin-love-kyrie-irving-nba-offseason-carmelo-anthony-paul-george-061317
1) The most plausible scenario. Love did play very well, is George that much of an improvement (I say this because although I think George is a good two way player, I can remember how the Dubs played him)?
2) Irving scares me in transition as much as any player in the league. Klay played incredible defense on him and he still has some scary stretches of mind blowing production. And if there is a PG the Dubs know how to play it is CP3, they are in his head.
3)HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
4) Interesting proposal, but I think the Dubs run circles around an older LeBron, Boogie and Thompson. It would only work in the Cavs favor if every game was a half court game. Plus the Dubs will need more than Pachulia, McGee and West to battle the bulk under the basket.
Love played very well?
you don’t think so? Even though they lost he held his own on both sides of the court.
No, I don’t agree “he held is own” which is a pretty low standard for the player he is asked to be for the Cavs.
Love had a pretty good post season overall. The point I’m arguing is i don’t think George is that much of an improvement for the Cavs.
Ok, good postseason overall is different than good finals – which was not all that stellar. But I get your point. I think George is an improvement over Love but might not be the answer. More importantly, Love is the best and most likely piece they can move to make the necessary roster improvement(s) to help get them closer to the Warriors, not merely the perpetual best in the East which clearly isn’t good enough.
2) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ( stopped short of your record. Bit tired). Irving is way way way better than Paul today and every future day for the rest of their lives
I’d say they scouted Blach pretty good.
Sometimes chicken 🍗
Sometimes feathers 🐦
Edges not arcs.
haha, Cory Gearrin with the most misleading 1.40 ERA of all time. I’m done with this guy.
He likes to flush the bases, and start fresh.
Yeah, well I’m pretty much done with this game.
He is worthless
Agreed–though to be fair the “triple” was a bloop
All he had to do was get one out. ONE!!
Do the Giants fans at the game get their money back for this?
Pence used to catch up with those. Damn.
Can’t stand it – going prelapsarian…
Isn’t it word of the day on dictionary.com?
Checked, it was yesterday
Ugly Game 6 acid flashbacks! 🙁 That’s why I did Game 7 literally under the covers with Gameday only!
I wish they’d update us on the shark. I hope he stopped swimming around in circles.
He’s looking for baseballs to eat. Got a taste for them during BP.
Next years draft is going to be really interesting cause the Giants will continue to blow chunks this year. We just need them to totally bottom out. Give Bum the year off. Hell… give Posey the rest of the year off.
My brother’s friend owns a club in SF, and the Warriors were partying there last night. Apparently a number of Giants were there, too, until at least 3 a.m.
Yep. It looks like they’re sleep-deprived and hung over. Nice job, guys.
They do look flat and without fight. Just going thru the motions should be a punishable offense, but it’s not.
Bad defense, too.
Bad pitching in the 6th. We had top of the order due up in a 1-run ballgame but Gearrin blows the game open. Thanks dude
Well we know how they play a day game after a night game. We shall find out tomorrow. It’s usually no bueno, Great way to get ready for a 4 game series in Denver.
It just doesn’t matter anymore. This is a 90+ loss team. Worst team of the decade by a mile.
Ouch I went away from the game when it was 1-2 and came back to 1-8.
Gearrin’s ERA in no way reflects his success as a rp.
Nightall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La4Dcd1aUcE
Ugh, this org is in a funk. Beede gave up 5 hrs tonight! Era up near 5. My Guy Coonrod over 5 at AA.
Is Heliot Ramos the new top prospect?
They need to keep losing.
Minor league records won’t help draft status
I’m not talking about the minor leagues. Maybe Beede will ultimately be successful for the big club, but he’s clearly not a Cain, Lincecum, Bumgarner type of talent. They need some top shelf young talent.
Beede and Blach could make a mean back of rotation. I like the notion if drafting and trading for hitters then signing fa starters
Especially with a very high pick, they just need to go for whoever they see as the biggest future star, regardless of position.
2019 pick could be just as high as 18.
Have to swing killer trade or two so not entirely dependent on draft.
The Bumgarner trade could be a big key to their future success.
Since the motor cross event can’t rule it out anymore.
Did you say 5 HR’s ?
Yikes!!!
where you see “funk” many just see lack of talent.
I don’t believe in Funks and Luck to explain baseball results.
Luck is the residue of design?
I just think Beede is a good as some Giants fan think. Not like the Giants have been hitting on the draft that well recently. Both he and Arroyo were reached to many scouts.
Just because he is a 1st rd pick and from Vandy means crap if he can’t pitch at the big league level.
Royals third base coach showing some class by holding the runner and not running up the score.
It’s a mystery to me why this bullpen staff can’t keep the ball on the ground to take advantage of a GG infield.
Cause they are terrible.
Bochy doesn’t want to hurt the feelings of the more experienced players.
Slaters approach seems Duffy-esque.
I was thinking that on Sunday, too.
He has a plan at the plate and recognizes the outside pitch and goes with it. Good stuff.
Yet Bochy sits Panik numerous times this year for non-injury reasons. SMH. If they blow this up, I think it’s time for a manager change too. Young guy…wins WS batting 2nd and playing phenomenal defense…wins GG last season…endorsed by Will Clark…and Bochy sits him. Gee…you think a young guy like that might start thinking “trade me”?
Wotus for Manager 2018!
Sorry. I see you mentioned Duffy and I converted it to Panik. My POV stands 🙂
Slater now hitting a cool .357. Funny how relaxed a young hitter can look when he’s not being jerked in and out of the lineup constantly.
He’s a relaxed hitter period. That was my scouting report from Visalia.
It will test Bochy’s ingenuity how to unsettle him now.
He will sit tomorrow.
Not creative enough. I like the idea of batting him 9th and then pinch-hitting for him with Melancon if he comes up with someone on base.
Vargas pitching just like Jamie Moyer.
Flem reported that Heliot Ramos pronounces his first name “Elliott,” an Americanized pronunciation.
H’s are silent in Spanish in any case. Not pronouncing the h doesn’t make it Americanized.
Bochy will bat Slater 9th tomorrow since he has 2 hits tonight
Or 10th. The important thing for Bochy is to try to upset the kid so that he does badly.
He’s a Stanford kid, so Bochy will really be put to the test.
Bochy is a genius at this, though. He’s managed to keep Hill and Gorkys on the roster and often starting more than a third of the way through the season. You can’t learn something like that studying at Stanford.
And I’m sure you will demonstrate your idiocy again. You and Humboldt can compete for dumb ass of the Y.
Bochy will rest him
I think Hunter Strickland is just a click away from being really good. I like his nasty approach and his lack of being soft. I think it’s just a directional thing in his mechanics. When he can straighten that out he’ll be consistent in mowing down hitters. Just a little tight on the the front side, but easily correctable. I’ve been up and down on him, and even wanted to see him released after the Harper incident. But he definitely has fight in him. Something most of the Giants don’t have right now. Bum has it. Shark has it.
I agree, and I’ve been a big Strickland critic over the years.
Switched over to Conan. Great move.
Six San Jose Giants Named 2017 California League All-Stars
https://www.milb.com/sj-giants/news/san-jose-giants-2017-all-stars/c-236218426
That’s encouraging. I think…
Slater’s getting hot. Time for Bochy to resort to desperate measures to unsettle him. I say tomorrow put him 9th in the order, and then if he comes up with someone on base, pinch-hit for him with Melancon. If that doesn’t work, try starting him at catcher.
Now we have gone from blaming the manager for decisiobs made to blaming him for decisions he hasnt made– and is unlikely to ever make. Unbelievable
Umm, I am blaming him for decisions he has made, by keeping young hitters #8 in the order no matter how well they’re hitting and how badly everyone else is hitting. I guess this was too subtle for you. Ever heard of sarcasm?
I dont know why I bother. I guess GG must have waived the the common sense requirement to post on this site
And you think it shows common sense to keep batting Slater 8th, do you?
Please! He has what, 30 big league at bats?
I cant believe that I am wasting my time actually discussing this as if it is a serious issue
And the rest of the team can’t hit. If you want to develop young players, you encourage them. At least that’s the normal thing for a manager to do.
The old adage “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.” would seem to be applicable to your thoughts on this subject. Have a nice evening. I’m sure that we would have won tonight had you been manager and GM.
In other words, when you wrote ‘He has what, 30 big league at bats?’, you forgot that Arroyo batted 6th, 2nd, 5th, 5th, 5th, 5th, and 6th before he had 30 at bats, at which time he was hitting a whopping .207, whereas Slater is stuck hitting 8th while batting .357. Yep, it would have been better for you to be silent rather than making a point you couldn’t defend.
That’s an insult, a no ,no .
Well, what I see is a young hitter who keeps looking more comfortableand better in every game he plays. Hitting 8th is difficult for veteran hitters, let alone rookies.
I’d put Slater in the two hole once in awhile, Nunez hitting 3rd and Belt behind Posey. Try something different, maybe we score more runs.
Furthermore, stop trying to shoehorn Aaron Hill into the lineup. Yes, Vargas is having a great year but I’d still start Kelby at 2B vs. Hill.
You do realize that you have disproved your point by your own words. How did that move of Arroyo up in the lineup as suggested work out? Give him confidence or a ticket back to Sacramento? And Tomlinslon looked great striking out against Vargas yesterday.
I guess critical thinking and logic are becoming lost skills.
Insult !
What a crap game. Nothing looked right for the Giants. Except Slater.
Abd Posey’s two hits
True.
And Bochy will deal with him soon.
The Giants talked to Slater after the game. If he continues to do well, he’ll be traded.
They’ll never do it. If there’s one thing their more afraid of than a young player doing well on their own team, it’s him doing well on another team and making them look bad.
Some human rights organization should take up the cause of young outfielders in the Giants’ farm system who have no chance of making the team no matter how well they do because of Bochy’s obsession with washed-up old geezers and have no chance of being traded because Evans is terrified of another Duvall disaster. They’re stuck their until they run out of options around age 28.
Okay I think you made your point. By the way who are DL these young OF we passed up that became stars
Sarcasm is a survival instinct. Easy to get angry or saddened over this season so making light sometimes helps ease the pain of what once seemed like a promising team on paper in the spring but has taken a turn into the absurd reality of the second half of last season.
I was put thru this being a life long Raiders fan. I get it. Go Raiders!!!
Other than Duvall, we’ll never know, will we? In any case, it’s unprofessional and just not nice. Like with Kelby, it’s the same thing. Play him or trade him, don’t just destroy his career.
Wow. Painful way for the Yankees to lose to the Angels in the B11th.
Surf Maui argues that it’s reasonable for Slater to be batting 8th because ‘He has what, 30 big league at bats?’. Well let’s consider that. Arroyo batted 6th, 2nd, 5th, 5th, 5th, 5th, and 6th before he had 30 at bats, at which time he was hitting a whopping .207, whereas Slater is stuck hitting 8th while batting .357. And this on a team which is 3rd from last in the majors with a .237 average (only the Cubs and Padres are worse), so it’s not like Slater just can’t compete with the hitting machines in front of him in the order. In fact, only Nunez and Posey are within 100 points of Slater.
Nope, I don’t think that’s the explanation.
So Blach imploded again. He is now 4 and 4 with a well over 4 ERA. He has 3 games in which he got shelled. He has another start with his ERA just under 4. Basically 40% of his starts he allows 3.86 runs per game or far more.
Guerrin’s lack orf relief didn’t help. I realize they were Blach’s runners, but sheesh.
The Minnesota Twins get 27 runs hung on them in two games, then score 20 last night. The aura of baseball. If you’re a box score watcher, check out last night’s Twins. Lots of really sweet lines.
Wow, one of those games where if you only got two hits you had a bad game.
Joe Mauer stinks!
Alex P had some interesting observations in his postgame article, including that his eye test says the Giants’ defense is a step slow this year:
“— An opinion on those “cheap” hits. The Giants have given up a lot of flares in recent weeks, but watching day in and day out, it sure seems like a fair amount of that can be placed on the players in the field. Two of the singles in the two-run third should have been outs, and that’s on infielders. Hunter Pence couldn’t quite come up with a three-run triple.
The new advanced defense metrics are great, but sometimes you don’t need them. Watching this team every night it’s pretty clear, the defense is a step slower than it was a year ago, and that’s responsible for a lot of these balls that are dropping in.”
Case in point: Panik, who’s been excellent on defense, has been out for the past four games. Who has replaced him? The young, athletic guy who competently filled in for him for two months in 2015 and is hitting .300 over his career? Nope. 34-year-old Aaron Hill, who has never been anywhere near the Mendoza line the whole season, has played 2B for all four games Hill has been out. (Tomlinson played SS in place of Crawford for the one game he got to play.)
Not getting any faster next year. Span and Pence obviously losing some fraction of a step every day. Crawford and Panik are at the point where they start to lose a step, even Belt at 1B and Posey behind the dish. If Slater is the LFer next year, he’s no burner. This is amazing to watch unfold – the Philly-ish process from dynasty to disaster.
Panik is 26 years old. The rest–yeah.
Do you think Slater can’t play RF at AT&T? I’d like to see him there. Pence’s last year should be in LF.
Good. I hope Bruce reads Pavs. Doubt it will help, though. Many don’t like KT starting.
I’m one who thinks KT should be a utility guy. But that means when a regular whose position you can cover is dinged up for a few days, you play.
To the degree Hill is useful for anything, which is debatable, it’s coming off the bench to pinch hit. Not to play the field and take four ABs with his .174 batting average and his microscopic range at 2B.
When Kelby got the one start, he was on base three times.
Kelby is one of those players that is better when he plays on a regular basis. That might mean 2-3 starts a week, maybe a double switch late. His pinch hit ABs would be better, too.
Made NONE sense to start Hill last night.
KT should be a super-utility guy since he has been playing some outfield as well.
It seems to me that Kelby can play decently at 3B, SS, 2B and perhaps in the OF. Just subbing in once a week gives the regulars a scheduled day off, and KT is like a semi-regular since that’s a fair amount of playing time.
Wait, there’s more.
The Giants bullpen has allowed 37 percent of inherited runner to score, third-worst in the majors. It’s particularly glaring because of how much of an emphasis that has been in recent years. The bullpen led the majors each of the last two seasons, allowing just 22 percent of inherited runner to score last season and 21 percent in 2015.
Gearrin has allowed 12 of 19 inherited runner to score, putting him in a tie for second. Heath Hembree, who could have been part of this bullpen, has cashed in a major league-leading 13 of 23 inherited runners
Example why the Dodgers are where they are and the Giants are in their current position:
Since calling up Bellinger (a 4th round pick) the Dodgers have the best record in the majors at 31-14.
Talk about the Snakes and Rockies all you want, the Dodgers are going to win the division handily.
The Giants 4th pick that year was Brian Ragira. Yep good job John Barr 👍🏼
And all the Giants have shown for that draft are a few good games out of Arroyo their #1.
Feel better?
I’d like to think the Rockies have a chance. They’ve been playing very well on the road, their young arms have really been coming through, Gray should be back soon, Bettis may make an inspirational return, and their farm is loaded and they have a few prospects that could bring back a very helpful piece. They seem to manage to go on runs. I think they can keep up with the Dodgers. DBacks are doing all they can, but they should probably be realistic and think Wild Card.
I like the Rockies too. Solid lineup, and that young pitching in the hands of Bud Black is a major asset. Still think the Dodgers are a shade better, but hoping I’m wrong.
I think you’re right. Their lineup is equally loaded, they have a rookie with 17 HRs for Pete’s sake, and their farm is also loaded, especially at the AAA level. Have to imagine they try to get a #2 behind Kershaw. Seager hasn’t even gone on a tear yet and Turner just coming back. Pederson has been MIA this year as well and could just as easily do what Puig has been doing: .230’s, 10 HRs over 2+ months.
Giants management should be thanking the Warriors that they’ve taken the Bay Area’s sports attention away from the stench that is coming from AT&T.
That won’t last. The parade is tomorrow. Come Friday, the Giants are the only show in town.
All you that blame Giants woes on LF , interesting stat Belt leads the Giants in RBI with 28, Giants Left fielders have 31 RBI .
Some of those are Belt, right?
Yes he has 6 as a LF , the point is that LF is far from the Giants only problem .
What ISN’T a problem, at this point?
Isn’t he one of them?
Yes, so .
So, 25 vs. 28, not 31 v. 28
This is about LF not about Belt, I was just pointing out LF has driven in a lot of runs .
Faulty parallelism.
No it was not, if Posey was the team leader in RBI, it would have been his name vs the LF position, that was the point, LF vs Giants leader in RBI, Belt just happened to be the Giants leader in RBI .
Actually it was. You are just justifying it with faulty logic for comparison purposes.
Wow, you are a prick .
But, at least, I check my spelling on my posts as opposed to some others here.
You are an A hole with good English skills, your priorities are out of whack .
Actually, logic and verbal skills are appreciated more on blogs of this type. You need to cool your emotional volatility.
No insults PJ. That’s not acceptable here.
What do you consider insults, lot of your buddies insult people all the time , maybe not as blunt, but they do .
Not taking sides here but this is a classic response — a Peter Johnson calling someone else a prick.
No foul but your logic isn’t so great here.
The Giants are unraveling now but LF has been a mess, but really the OF has been a mess.
The rp have ok stats except situationally they suck.
The starting pitching has been ok — lots of quality starts — but betrayed by poor situational fielding and lack of run production.
The center portion of the batting order hasn’t performed well — situationally and lack of power — this puts pressure on the pitching and exposes the lack of depth on the team.
As fans, we are grasping at straws and bickering.
No the problem was a few posters got all defensive about Belt, because they thought I was putting him down, then I explained that it was about the team leader in RBI not Belt , I should have said LF has 31 RBI the Giants team leader has 28,but they would have still think I was picking on Belt. The others got it after a while, but Bapah just wanted to be pain in the ass, so I lost my cool .
Ignore him PJ
I realized that a long time ago, he likes to think he is better then people , his Grammar police stuff gets old fast .
Just the way you stated it is misleading the witness.
This was a position thing, nothing to blame Belt .
Yikes. Members of congress out playing baseball shot at, House Majority Whip hit, among aides and security.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/steve-scalise-congress-shot-alexandria-virginia.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Terrible. Thoughts and prayers to them and their families. So scary.
In the midst of this terrible season ( in which we got a fantastic juxtaposition this week watching that Warriors game) we have to step back and ask:
Is this who each of these players are from here on out?
Even if it feels that way, I believe , in some cases, a detached view might help. Look at 10 year veteran Jason Vargas last night. I’ll bet a few years back, frustrated Royals fans may have thought he was overpaid , middling, and the team needed to upgrade. He may not be the perfect example, but nonetheless.
So, to the Giants: how good will Panik be? How about Law, Strickland and Osich? Is Melancon going to get more settled and trustworthy? Will Posey generate more power? Is Crwaford going to get back to his power and average numbers? Will Belt continue a steady power rise?
We get to overreact to a bad season here…but to think all of these players will continue a decline is unrealistic. It’s a bad season. None of us know if it’s more than that.
This is NOT discounting the need for several dramatic moves, but just not to the frenetic level of Blog, The GM
It seems like we always have two in the starting lineup with an average below 0.200. Plug up just a few holes in the dike, and who can say what will happen? Posey seems likely to be generating less power every year, but could be a doubles machine for a long time. Panik too young to worry about aging, but maybe Crawford has reached his plateau years. But everyone would seem better if they weren’t pressing so much to cover up the weak parts of the lineup. Suppose that Parker turns out to be a hitter when he’s ready to play again? Wouldn’t that be a huge difference?
It is a lovely sport because the only way to find these things out is to wait and see what happens!
Schulman’s had some pretty level-headed discussions with fans on Twitter (“Dump salaries! Dump everybody! Blow it all up!”). He points out that many of these salaries aren’t that easy to “dump,” considering no-trade clauses, amounts, and relative value (e.g., who wants Pence at 18 per for the next year and a half? I’m gonna say not too many teams.) He also points out that if you “dump” a big salary, you might not get much back in the way of prospects, meaning that if the Giants do trade anyone, they’ll either have to eat (a lot of) money if they want anything of note to come back.
There is no quick fix for this team, and they will have to stay the course with many of these guys, so better hope for the best.
It really is amazing, though, how EVERYTHING is going wrong. You really can’t point to anything that’s going great. Posey has a high batting average but very little heart-of-the-order production. Nunez is having a nice year at the plate but has been prone to injury and is inconsistent defensively. Blach’s been a nice surprise but he got BABIPed, bad-defensed, and Gearrin-ed to death last night, not to mention almost no run support. Arroyo brought a youthful spark but is back in the minors. Cueto is not nearly the bright spot he was last season. The defense is worse this year. The bullpen led the majors the last two seasons in stranding inherited runners but is third worst in baseball this year. It’s just weird how an entire team collapsed.
Will Smith being out before the season got started.
Jarrett Parker’s running into the wall, and Williamson apparently just flopping.
Bumgarner dumping a motorcycle.
A whole lot of bad luck that can’t be blamed on the front office, which can be faulted for not having a better OF backup somewhere (I sure hope Slater keeps it going).
It definitely is…and odd year.
Woudn’t it have been expecting too much for this team to maintain the success it had? Most of us have been around long enough to appreciate how special the 2010-2014 run was. And the 2014 championship was really with a team stretching it’s talent to the max (riding MadBum).
Now that Timmy, the bullpen, and Cain too are gone, this team is not the same and it’s going to be hard to assume that they can continue the dominance with Posey and some of the other guys still there.
I think the Giants still have a strong core of mid-career quality players that have won and are capable of winning again with a deeper team, an injection of young talent, and probably a new manager — Posey, Crawford, Belt, Panik, Bumgarner. They also have some serviceable veterans under no-trade contracts for better or worse and better is likely to be if younger players assume their former role — Pence, Span, Smaradzija, Melancon, Cueto, Moore. There are several useful but unlikely to be stars younger players under team control — Law, Strickland, Tomilson. Maybe Arroyo and Beede and one or more other current minor league players will bear fruit too in the next year.
The Giants have done well picking college players in the draft, trading upside and higher potential upside for players closer to mlb ready – Posey, Panik, Crawford, Belt.
Normally I would have criticized for the Giants going for more college age players in the 2017 draft if that was the route taken. Instead the Giants top two draft picks are high school players.
Given that the core of the team mentioned above has won 3 WS, seems to me that going for college level near mlb players would have been a good strategy to maximize the remaining careers of the current core.
Perhaps trades of the veteran players are in the future but I wonder if there is more risk in trading veterans that are not that old nor injured for developing players another organization is willing to trade.
I do see some wisdom in dumping long term over priced contracts.
Krukow on the Radio just WOW, he blames Bums injury for the teams bad offense !
Mike being Mike, PJ…we all know that he gets further “out there” the more they lose. He knows where the direct deposit into his account originates and never wavers…and parrots the management talking points better than anyone associated with the organization.
Well, I’m sure they HAVE missed Bum’s bat!
It a blow to the teams spirit, one of those things .
Well, I’m sure it was, but they were already off to a bad start–0 and 4 in Bum’s starts, even though he was pitching well–and had Crawford’s death in the family and then injury, Bochy’s hospitalization, Buster getting hit in the head, Parker’s injury–all before Bum went dirt-biking.
Bum doing what he did didn’t help, but it’s a small-picture view to blame it ALL on that.
Let’s all take a deep breath and accept this is not our year. I have anyway… it hurts but acceptance is the first part of moving on and looking to the future…
Yesterday a friend who is a Twins fan was disecting the recent series a bit, and discussing the DH. I was able to tell him how Bum can DH for himself (doubled against the A’s last year). He’s a really fun guy to have on the team: horses, cattle, axes, and an ability to swing the timber.
Until 2 weeks ago, bumgarner had the 3rd highest offensive wpa on the team
Excellent! hahaha! Something to smile about this morning!
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