When thinking about the worst loss of the season it might be a toss-up between this game and the Opening Day debacle. Hunter Pence hit a two-run pinch hit homer in the top of the ninth to put the Giants ahead 4-3 in dramatic fashion. It went downhill from there. Mark Melancon is the new Santiago Casilla, only at gazillions more per year…
The Rockies swept the Giants in four game series at Tod Helton Field for the first time in their history.
On the bright side, Ty Blach was very good and looks very much like a solid 3 or 4 man in the rotation. Bcraw had three hits and a two-run homer.
Nolan Arenado and D. J. LeMahieu ripped our guts out, again.
This was sad. It may the baseball Gods are calling their bills due for all the good fortune Giants fans experienced in 2010, 2012, and 2014.
It would be an epic mistake, a sign of serious hubris and a textbook case of denial if the front office fails to see the obvious need for some major re-structuring of the team. If Bobby Evans does not acknowledge this season and last as disasters then he will have to be removed. On the one hand I want to hold Bruce Bochy accountable for this newfound culture of failure but on the other hand he is not out there giving up cycles, hitting 40 points below his career average, and signing players like Chris Marrero.
Either this year turns out to be a sign of the end of this regime and they rebuild or ownership will have to start over top to bottom. Get ready for some interesting moments Giants fans.
Breckeroni says flags fly forever 🚩 🚩 🚩 🏆 🏆 🏆
My day wasn’t trashed because there wasn’t a single second I expected a win…I’m resigned to enjoy it for “baseball” and the unsupported belief inside me that this, too, shall pass.
And, in a non-Giants season, I’m all in for the Rockies. Talented bunch.
Go Dbacks. The discounted bunch.
Go Giants! Go Astros! Go Raiders!
The Raiders did go…
(Sorry…thought I could be cute there)
Yeah. Good one…. Sold out but can’t blame them. Not a lot of options. But until then, Go Oakland Raiders.
Me too. They’re a really good team with a very good manager.
Now we get to see if there Reuben Amaro clone in Giants general mgmt .
Does that mean Bobby Evans will soon coach 1st base for the Dodgers?
The G’s system is sparse as it is. Can’t afford to “Ruin Tomorrow”
Ha-ha, I read that was the nickname that Amaro’s detractors called him. Good one.
Cavs in discussion to upgrade. http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/06/18/report-pacers-pursuing-trades-for-paul-george-have-talked-with-cavaliers/?cid=eref:nbcnews:text
I took a little nap and woke up right as Melancon was starting the bottom of the ninth. I just had a bad feeling about it right off the bat.
I feel sorry for Melancon. He seems like a super good guy who was excited to come here and be the piece the Giants were missing last year. And the team’s been a disaster and hasn’t really needed him, and he hasn’t helped the cause much, either. I know he’s making tons of money as a consolation, but I’m sure it’s disappointing. If he is (unwisely) trying to pitch through a sore arm, there could be no other motivation than trying to live up to his big contract, so that shows some integrity.
Why feel sorry for Melancon?
So somehow trying to tough it out absolves him of any of this bs?
He’s the first guy they need to show the door. He can take Evans with him.
The guy had 49 (prox) saves last season, can’t do that by accident. Bochy has been negligent not getting him any work. Pitching is pitching whether it’s the first, seventh, or ninth innings, a guy like him has to get regular work to be effective. Rare save opportunities and a manager who is locked in to closer mentality are not a good fit for this guy.
It was on Melancon, nobody else.
Yeah, I just now read Lefty quoting Baggarly that Melancon is still having a sore arm so I can understand Bochy not using him more, didn’t realize that.
It’s not working, though. Melancon has a sore arm so he doesn’t pitch. Then when he does pitch, he’s rusty and pitches badly. He’s had two save opportunities in the last 3 1/2 weeks. He’s blown both of them.
Lefty just said that they can’t put him on the DL. It would violate his rights. In this case, she is wrong.
Yesterday’s loss you mean? No way. Span’s misplay on Blackmon’s hit was a major factor in the loss. If Span catches that, it’s a runner on first with two outs. Better chance that Melancon gets LaMahieu to save the game.
And nobody ever said a word about it, did they.
Any of what BS? He’s pitching badly–do we know why? Sore arm, rust, or just lost it all of a sudden? I don’t know. But I don’t see any reason to be mad at him personally.
And he’s not being shown any door with tens of millions left on his contract. He’s untradeable right now. Was it a bad signing? Sure looks like it.
It should never up to the player to decide if he is healthy enough to play.
But often only the player knows how much pain and/or discomfort they are feeling. They can only go with what Melancon tells them. He seems to be a decent guy. As such, he probably errs on the side of gutting it out, especially because the Giants gave him so much money. He needs to be honest with them and himself. Maybe they need to bring in Angel Pagan as a consultant to talk to Melancon about some of the virtues of taking it easy.
Of course, he wants to gut it out but he has hurt the team. The medical staff knows if he has an injury and it’s their job to make the decision. The Pagan analogy is poppycock.
No one ever accused Pagan of rushing back too quickly from an injury to misguidedly try to help the team. He also provided a great example of how to avoid injury by giving outfield walls a wide berth.
Are you kidding? I accused him of that through most of 2015
No Denard wrote the book on taking it ez!
He can’t even read, much even write a book. Right?
I don’t think they can put a guy on the DL against his will, unless there’s some unambiguous medical diagnosis (like “his pitching arm fell off”). He has rights and a union.
They can give him a MRI, and if it shows something he goes on DL, if not he is fine, and Bochy needs to pitch him more, one are the other , no, pitch him once every 10 days crap .
I agree–one or the other. This plan isnt’ working.
He has had a medical diagnosis of a legit injury.The medical staff can decide if he can or should play. I know about his rights, but thanks.
Integrity and stupidity!
I like this sentiment…just curious, how do you pick when to feel sorry versus some of your…ummmm…more direct criticisms? Cain is one example. Or Posey lately (the “ads” thing). How do we know who is a good guy and who isn’t? Melancon may well be injured, and i do think his track record proves he is and will be a very good closer.
I just think this organization is in a collective funk.
What’s ‘the ads thing?’
Lefty commented on the tone of Buster’s Toyota ads.
Everyone needs to be FIRED tomorrow!!
Don’t hold back. We need to know how you really feel and what is on the bottom of your pool.
Tire Fire is only 44 and he’s itchin’ to go.
Casilla was never this bad
Yeah, he was much worse–consistently awful through most of the second half of 2016.
Melancon is “on pace” to top Casilla’s 2016 performance. He has a save percentage of 71 .Casilla’s was 78 percent..
In terms of blown saves over the course of the season, melancon is going at a rate which would give him the same number, 9.
How about % Melancon has been on DL and had much fewer save chances .
Yes, melancon is on pace for fewer saves
He was worse but at least he did not cost $16 MIL per season!
Is that the Giants 2017 season?
Wasn’t that conflagration in the Central Valley in the 90’s?
Good news, Buster Posey (.977) is 11th in OPS in all of MLB!
All rise for the Judge!
Bad news, Ty Blach (4.23) is the staff leader in ERA.
Keuchel leads all from the DL – a Ty Blach comp perhaps, not a hard thrower.
Giants starting rotation ERA is 4.77.
Any chance of seeing the California League All-Star game in Visalia tomorrow night?
I just noticed that as I check the San Jose schedule for a game to see.
Bright Spots: Three-hit days yesterday for Mac and Miggy (sixth best batting average in the EAS).
And now the Giants website is down:
“We did not find the page you were looking for. Did you type the link correctly?”
Maybe they’ve decided just to disband the organization.
Maybe they’re starting the rebuilding process now.
They have a suspicious listing on craig’s list for office furniture by former Major League Baseball team being relegated to AAA.
Bats, balls and gloves too?
No. I am assuming they gave those away to the River Cats or they need to keep them for their second AAA team. … Relegation.. A good idea for the Giants right now.
They wouldn’t give those away, they’d auction as game u$ed just before the announcement.
The MLB website also down. It’s Bochy’s fault.
I fixed it
Both are now up and running. Thank goodness that you have me to take care of you
Ha-ha. Thanks, but the score for yesterday’s game is given as:
“FINAL: UNDEFINED 7, UNDEFINED 5”
GG has the perfect title for the team with 7 runs in his title: the Arenadoes. He’s like prime Barry Bonds when he plays the Giants. The 5 is easier to understand, as the Giants don’t get that high a total so very often.
You see! Websites are fragile things. Even the MLB and NY Times sites go down, not just TWG!
Looking at the pic of Larry Baer above that man doesnt know shit about putting a team together but KNBR always has his ass on for some reason! Larry wants you to show up to the park and break yourself for every last penny you have thats his bottom line concern! 20 gms under 500 Larry aint worried about that just buy those hats, pennants, jerseys, food etc thats his baby there!
He’s always struck me as a lucky, right place, right time kind of guy.
Youre right !!
Melancons troubles are only half his fault imo BB wont pitch him unless its trying to close out a game. Bruce is so by the book its incredible to watch i mean everything he does is predictable because its already written in the book of bb on strategic moves the man has no imagination! When you have a good team managing by the book can work because the players can and will execute the plan but when your team sucks you need imagination and boldness and BB has neither but this season is not totally on him its on management as well!
Very good post.
We all know how to execute a good baseball plan. Spit it out, folks.
That would be a good idea for a new guest post topic. I will present that today. Thanks Chef.
I’m here to help in any way I can.
I have an idea. Baer should hire a consultant, much like the Warriors did with Jerry West, to search for a new GM and possibly a new manager. Alguacil was the manager at Richmond and Sacramento before he was promoted to coach 1B, and he is familiar with the kids coming up to the Giants. Either way, the Giants need a fresh approach going forward.
I would put Wotus, Decker, and Bam-Bam ahead of him. And they should have kept Roberts in the fold.
Bochy hasn’t seemed to be at his best last year or this one. But If you know a dang thing about baseball, you would know that his decisions this year have cost them maybe 3 games. The FO and the players shoulder most of the blame for this year’s record. Bochy is just an easy target.
But the concern about his health is heartwarming, indeed.
I don’t blame Bochy for this season, but I also don’t think he’s the right manager for a team that needs to rebuild.
I don’t disagree with that.
Well that’s no fun.
100% correct and my nomination for POTM (Post of the Morning).
Sorry, no sale. Throughout Bochy’s entire managerial career he has preferred veteran players whom he felt he could trust to play MLB quality baseball and produce accordingly. Often that would be at the expense of developing young players. Veterans get a wide berth, rookies a short leash.
Lefty nailed it earlier this year. As loss after loss piled up, and Bochy continued to play declining and unproductive veterans it became clear to most that on the Giants team it’s not about merit or results. It’s more about seniority and coddling the veterans.
Playing Aaron Hill at 3B instead of Kelby (while Nunez recuperates) is just the latest example.
But playing Tomlinson over Hill more often this season wouldn’t have changed a thing.
I suspect we’d be out of the 100-loss danger, though. Not to mention having a realistic evaluation of what KT is capable of doing in the bigs.
You have the same number of extra base hits as Kelby, only 1 run was not driven in by an extra base hit yesterday ..
Good morning, PJ! Yeah, I’m too slappy, but thanks for the grin – since I haven’t dreamed of being an MLBer for quite a few years now.
Kelby 0 doubles, 0 triples , 0 HRs, 1 RBI, he has 1 RBI more than you .
That explains the strange letter I got last week, with all the fancy terms like “designated for assignment” and “granted an immediate release”!
For the future, the more losses the better.
KT would not a player to expect to be anything but a utility infielder. And he’ll most likely will be a good one. But he does have his issues. He does really have to beef up.But I do think that is unfair to let pitchers throw him whiffle balls.No one can hit them more 200 or 250 feet.
Maybe not. But what we see is Kelby is hitting .300, plays better defense and has much better speed. If Hill’s role is bench depth and pinch-hitting, he should get four ABs once every 7-10 days. But instead I believe he started every game at 3B while Nunez was out.
Of course I agree with you on the Bochy vet love, which is why I don’t think he was right guy for what they need to do now, but no manager could’ve made this a good team. The scapegoats for this season are time, inevitability and bad luck.
…and shortsighted management, with a healthy dose of complacency.
I have noticed in recent years that the Giants (likely this is Bruce’s doing) like to play someone just before he is released. It lets the player go away thinking he had a chance, and lets the team know they aren’t making a mistake. So if Hill is released when Nunez’ ankle comes back on line, I’d understand it.
Otherwise, a chance to get KT on the field again is just shot.
That’s what I was thinking. He wants another team to think the player has potential and pick him up.
Bingo, thus why I call it getting Brandon Hicksed
I gave you the numbers for Melancon this year- so far. And Casilla last year.Make of them what you will. I do appreciate your input, and Lefty’s as well.
I think Bochy’s decisions have cost us more than three games this year. I guess we should agree to disagree on this.
I don’t understand getting Aaron Hill. He’s been washed up since 2013. Does the FO think they can turn back the clock with these veterans?
I’m no fan of Hill continuing to get playing time, but he had a nice half year with the Brewers just last year.
I discussed my assessment of Bochy’s management style a couple of years ago.
Bruce Bochy was a backup 2nd line player his whole career in MLB. He always felt he didn’t get a fair shake regarding his talent and wasn’t given real opportunities as a player.
He has brought this attitude of not getting a true chance as a player from his prior managers to his role as a current manager.
I’m sure he swore to not be that type of manager himself. He would make sure 2nd rate players (my words) would always get a fair shake from him. And he has attended to that.
This is not a unique POV, but a rare one in this day and age. He is what he is and will, likely, never change.
It is what it is with only one solution.
Remember Bruce continued to play Molina over Buster until Molina was traded by Sabes. He will not play kids over guys that need more chances.
On the plus side, the trip to Colorado helped them raise the team batting average up to a robust .242, a full nine points above the record for worst in the history of the organization.
Ah … You are always Mr. Sunshine around here.
It’s called Riding The Gorkys Train
The slogan for 2017’s season, courtesy of Matthew. Any truth to the rumor that the newly-relegated Bakersfield Giants of the Pacific Disappointments League, is hiring you as a Marketing executive?
I turned them down…they can’t afford this magic
I think that they don’t want to suspend Strickland because they fear that he’ll punch them out if they do suspend him.
While thinking about what I’ve been reading in Baggs’ columns, my guess is that the appeal is by Strickland on his own behalf, whereas the Giants would just as soon get it over with. Not sure, but that’s what I sense. It is very mysterious as to why MLB hasn’t made a ruling, which seems 99.9% sure to be keeping all 6 days in the suspension.
A six day suspension would hurt us badly, IMHO. Not that we couldn’t get by without him, but we’d have a 24-man roster. Bochy is unlikely to give up his eight-man bullpen, so we’d have a three-man bench.
Another scenario like last Thursday, where we list two guys in one inning due to injury, we end up with pitchers pinch-hitting and likely playing some OF as well.
Reduce suspension to a three-game series and move on from all this.
I can’t see MLB reducing the suspension for just about the most blatantly deliberate case of throwing at the batter, though. The last thing the Giants need is to play a man short for a week, but that’s the kind of pea brain Strickland has.
Hurt the team, go to (baseball) jail. It’s the law.
I say increase it to 10 days.
Well, whatever it’s going to be, let’s deal with it and put it behind us.
“Hurt us badly” = Fall from last place to deeper into last place.
What a season
Didn’t MLB reduce Harper from 4 to 3 games? They could hardly give the main perp an equal deal.
Exactly. Who’s gonna tell him?
Record after 71 games:
1985: 26-45, 6th place, 16.5 GB
2017: 26-45, 5th place, 19.5 GB
Giants weren’t 19.5 GB in 1985 until Game 95.
We should plan accordingly.
That 1985 team was the worst in SF Giants history, and not just because it was the only 100-loss team in franchise history. That team did not have character guys like Posey, Bum and Crawford (Krukow won the Willie Mac, and he was definitely a lone soldier).
Talent wise, this is not a 100-loss team, IMHO. If we continue at that pace, ownership has to take a hard look at management.
What is your full list of “character guys”?
Chili Davis, Jeff Leonard, Dan Gladden, nice Outfield, Bob Brenly, most of the guys played in the NLCS in1987, Dan Gladden won the World Series in 1987 with the Twins .
Also had Dave LaPoint, David Green, an aging Manny Trillo, a young and impressionable Rob Deer, Rick Adams and a few others who were there mainly for the paycheck.
My wife and I followed them up the coast from SD to LA and then to Candlestick for 7-10 days in late July/early August. Through some business contacts I had limited inside access (on the field and in the clubhouse). Suffice to say this was a team with a lot of players who were not invested in winning.
Rosen and Craig came on board in mid-September and began making positive changes. As a result, the 1986 team improved by 20+ wins and was one of my five favorite all time Giants teams.
Rob Deer? Well, that explains that!
Yesterday I thought of a question which I decided to save for when the game was not underway. It would be interesting to hear what some of you think.
Starting pitchers are supposed to be in a rhythm, such as a bull pen session in between turns, and today the starters go every 5th game.
Suppose for the sake of the question that Matt Cain continues to deliver decent 5 or 6 inning starts like his in Colorado, that Moore gets his stuff back together more, and that Johnny Cueto is not traded, when Bumgarner gets back.
It seems sensible to limit Bumgarner’s pitch count, and to help the bullpen deal with his and Cain’s likely short starts, would you try a 6-man rotation?
If you don’t like my hypothesis of Moore making a recovery, feel free to substitute an internship for Beede or Gregario instead – anything to total up to 6 pitchers!
But the starters are averaging sufficiently short starts that they really shouldn’t be all that worn out.
I’ve been in favor of that for 3 seasons, as a way of keeping Presto while they waited for Peavy to go away, and Cain to recover. Since this season is lost, there would be nothing to lose by trying it, esp. since any rook who’s promoted would have a pitch-count limitation.
What a powerful version of this, particularly the 3rd lead, Margaret Taylor. This song is so beautifully complex and leaves me on the verge of tears, or past the verge, every time I hear it. It musically encapsulates the essence of birth to death in under 5 minutes.
AWESOME! Right there with you
I’m learning the entire lead vocal on my guitar so my band can perform this live. It’s such a rollercoaster of emotions.
In GG’s article he says “Either this year turns out to be the end of this regime and they rebuild or ownership will have to start over top to bottom.” Given that the bullpen disintegrated in two years and even when Bum returns they’ll only have two of five starters from just two years ago, I’d say that “rebuilding” has already been forced upon them. Rent-a-stud isn’t working any more. It’s only driven the payroll much higher.
Yes, the free agent signings have not worked this year or last because the goal was to win the World Series with the front office thinking they were only one or two pieces away. This year and last year’s second half of demolished that thinking. You are correct. This reminds me of how bad the Red Sox were in 2012 before they rebuilt/retooled and won it all again in 2013. I can see the Giants doing much better next year but they must unload Cueto and Melancon and find some young blood for the outfield. Pence only has one more year left on his contract so by 2019, the Giants will likely be with three completely new outfielders, a new bullpen and 2 new starters.
It just seems like everything that could have possibly gone wrong, has.
and then some!
Look at all the young studs they (BOS) had in the wings.
True but the Red Sox also made some free agent signings that worked perfectly for that season. It’s all about winning a ring and I don’t blame Evans for trying. The situation has changed dramatically now and the organization must make a philosophical change NOW and they need to acknowledge this publicly to reassure the fans, the real fans who pay attention and understand baseball, that they (the Giants brass) is on top of this and is living in reality, not fantasy.
Thx I wondered how much longer Pence’s contract had to go. I think if they rest him a lot this year he can bounce back. But Span has GOT to go. He was a terrible signing from Day 1.
Next year either Span or Pence should be in LF, with the other one not on the 25-man. I vote Pence, and trade Span for whatever you can get, even if it means eating a portion of that contract.
Nobody outside of El Paso would take him.
Sadly, you are probably correct. So now what? I’d say platoon with Pence (not strict lefty/righty) the rest of this season, and see if Slater or another callup can play CF. Get what we can out of him, and if no trade materializes in the offseason, DFA.
Span hardly represents the real problems of the team this had this year. But wait- I forgot, he lacks character
Decisions on the make up of next year’s term still have a long ways to go.You should know that.
They did blow it on the non-roster invites, IMO. Lighting in a bottle doesn’t always work out- although that has served them quite well in recent years.
As far as a rebuilt/retooled team for next year, I would not expect too much. We will see a better picture in about 5 or 6 weeks.
On the radio broadcast yesterday Miller and Flemming, talking about Crawford hitting third, noted that he has now hit in every spot in the lineup except leadoff.
Further discussions led to this trivia question: name the only player who has started 100+ games in all nine batting order positions? Obviously an AL player for some/all of his career.
Discuss and reply.
Discuss and reply?
Sounds like an order.
It was a light hearted suggestion. Apologies if it was taken any other way.
Do you have a guess?
Dwight (Dewey) Evans, Boston Red Sox.
Penalty points to TF for mentioning the name of Evans!
Just got back to the office from a business trip and discovered that a janitor bumped into my bookcase and knocked over all my Giants bobble heads. Jason Schmidt got his noggin broken, Belt has a wrist fracture, and poor Barry Zito suffered multiple contusions and broken limbs and will have to put be down permanently.
A metaphor for this lost season … https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b19aa69267cd37ca7f8fac795b6cab3cce4b407567b21cb4213284d859f0bd0b.jpg
I love to laugh amidst the carnage……this whole “Post of the Day” needs to be retired after this mic/bobblehead drop
Time to hit up Ebay.
Yup! Already have replacements on the way!
…said Bobby Evans never
You might enjoy this, you, dear sir, are a rare bird.
I’m a proud 3.8%er
This is so sad! Is your janitor a dodgers fan or something?
That can’t be a Belt bobblehead. He’s using a fielder’s glove, not a 1B one.
100% chance of T-storms forcasted for the Atlanta area right around game time. A day off sounds good.
Nope, that’s just the thunder of MyGuy Gorkys doing his thang!!!!!
We’re getting a lot of rain over the past few days, more forecasted for later in the week. I’m going to Wednesday’s game (Shark vs. Colon). Sprung for good seats, planning a great evening with a good buddy–please don’t rain!
Well, for your sake, I hope it doesn’t rain on your parade!
40%.as per /weather.com
Forecast for Kennesaw/Marietta, GA (location of Suntrust Park) 50-70% chance of rain from 6:00-9:00 PM.
Since this is our one and only visit to Atlanta they will do everything possible to get all four games played in this four-day window.
Please no rain Wednesday night…
I’m loath to restart a ‘Trade Bob!’ controversy – but just came across this inane SBNation post from 2 days ago:
Isn’t this eejit on SF radio? And he’s comparing the situation to an episode of The West Wing??
I reckon Brisbee’s lying low, and they’re desperate over there.
I read that article, and I thought he made some salient points. The WW thing was a bit weird, although I must say I loved that show and that *was* one of the best episodes.
Trading BB9 would break my heart, but I’m a Giants fan first and foremost and it’s time for some out of the box thinking.
KNBR and Krukow continued the Belt bashing this morning, with Krukow talking about how even though Belt has been told “11 million times” to loosen his grip on the bat, he refuses to do so. He also said that the entire league knows of his weakness against high fastballs and that until he learns to hit that pitch, he will continue to be exploited.
True that about his blind spot up and in. Matthew said earlier that Belt’s blind spot is “open for business.” Succinct and spot on.
I don’t think you trade your way out of the Giants situation. The value of a tradeable asset is set by the recipient of the asset in this situation, not the Giants.
Market for 1Bs is not robust. Seems a buyers market only there aren’t many buyers in the first place! Wonder what Yonder Alonso fetches, or if he gets extended.
Truthfully the best scenario for my guy Belt would be to soldier through the rest of this season and start strong next year. If he’s producing, maybe a mid-season trade that brings us those two young players buyselltrade mentioned above.
Trading Belt would a blessing for him. In one of the bandboxes he’d probably go 30 and 100.
NO, look at his road splits, 6 HRs at home in 108 at bats, 5 on the road in 141 at bats .
Nice work, PJ.
Maybe .250/.350/.475, 25 HRs in band box? Seems reasonable. Could go above. Could go below. Is he in full on decline mode? Or just a blip?
His slump started in Cincy this year, he hit 2 HRs in Petco in 1 game, not exactly a band Box .
Career he hits twice as many Road HR’s http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=10264&position=1B&season=0
This year is what we are talking about, in the past he crushed in Cincy, not this year, and Philly too .
That article makes good sense and I have been staunchly don’t trade Belt)
One could expect Belt to have better stats and exhibit more power elsewhere, preferably an American league team (Yankees, Angels, Astros as per article).
Question is what the Giants get in return besides salary relief of four years at $17 million under contract.
Makes room for Posey and Shaw at 1B.
Can the Giants get 2 near to MLB ready young players with skills suited for ATT Park?
He is not a pull fly ball hitter, if he was AT&T is short down the line in RF .
I realize that. There have been several posts here at TWG that show that a number of Belt’s long outs or 2B/3B would go out for HR in other parks.
Not this year, He has more HRs at home than on the road in 33 fewer at bats .
As you say, this year. Not unreasonable to expect some better and more typical (lots of 2B type hits) from Belt in the future.
Hope so, but has to do it, has not lately, and for 17.2 M the next 4 years, not many teams if any will be interested in him .
If Belt returns to recent years, avoids, injuries, and picks up another 5-10 HR, the $17 million works for a large market team.
I think it best to view Belt as a complementary player and not a franchise player.
I think of him as a necessary core player, better than any available replacement. He doesn’t evince the confidence of Panic or Craws, but is nearly as valuable.
I know you read my posts and the consistency that Posey, Crawford, Bumgarner, Panik. and Belt are the core of the team.
Just trying the spirit of the linked article.
One thing is that without Belt at !B all the other infielders are not as good because of Belt’s reach and hands.
To repeat the danger is to weaken two positions.
Exactamente – Bob saves so many errors. I think his D is consistently undervalued in certain circles.
He definitely has complemented much more than he has ever carried. Still a good player,the total risk just makes in iffier proposition than if was arb eligible.
a young catching prospect for Posey to mentor would be nice – and a pitcher or outfield prospect.
The danger is that trading Belt and moving Posey to 1B weakens two positions.
I would love for the Giants to have a good young catcher to learn from Posey and also Posey still catch 30% of games.
Also with DH games and Posey catching, that there be a another 1B who gets 400 plus AB.
You really want to move the HOF catcher, whose game calling, game management, and pitcher whispering was key in 3 world titles, out of his position of influence and captaincy.
I’d be way more wary about this line of thinking.
Great pitch calling yesterday .
Great sample size post
I bitch about it a lot, high fastball instead of breaking balls in the dirt in 2 strike counts .
Peter being Peter. He who recently posted that “we don’t need him”.
Like I said, what’s the point of all those assets for a losing cause. He’s got his WS rings being super catcher, the time for transition is definitely nigh. Continuing to catch 100-120 games would be a lame-o move, thank you very much.
Cute way to put it (“lame-o”), but be more explanatory in your response…what is the time frame? Why, truly, do you think the risk is worth taking? Is this more about Belt than Posey?
Why not move Crawford to 3rd for Arroyo? Etc.
keep reading cutie-pie. the answers are up there.
Am I rubbing a nerve? Just chatting ball
LOL – r u mad bro?
You don’t have any ‘bros’ here that I can detect. Just Giant fans.
Nah…I LOVE YOU! Love talkin’ ball with my Brocuz
I’m here to chew bubble gum…
Oh gawd what have I done?
What is the problem with Garcia?
he’s just north of dog meat. Strong arm, but Actions too stiff behind plate. And his hitting should be much better for all the time he’s spent below AA. Not feeling it with him.
And we’d get a better one in trade? Good luck.,
I know, they’re gonna need it on this southbound train.
That would be an acceptable return, IMHO. If we trade Belt, part of me wants to see him traded to the Yankees just so we can watch Efrain’s head explode.
Saturday I forgot that 4 eggs were in a small sauce pan to hard boil.
Suddenly Blam! Clank!
Pan lid thrown across the kitchen. Egg debris stuck to ceiling and every surface for 10 feet.
With Efrain would be zombie clean up crew in aisle TWG.
What’s the point of super-catcher, super-hitter Buster Posey catching all these games for a losing cause? Therefore…
Rather short sighted, don’t you think? What is the best path back? By greatly diminishing your most important position?
diminishing your most important player by continuing to play him at the position that takes the greatest toll on the body for what cause? Because he likes playing there, because you like watching him catch? Hey, I’m not the GM, they get to make the decisions even if they are bad decisions.
If the Giants can somehow can back in a competitve mode in 3-4 years, it would be nice to have Posey in the middle of the lineup that can still hit .300 with 15-20 HRs.
It has little to do with “likes playing there”, and you are aware…it’s about his role in developing the “key position” for this organization: pitchers. He does that in the bullpen, and in games, and in the dugout, and the clubhouse…as catcher. Not as first baseman.
I’m not saying it’s unheard of. I am saying the flippant way it’s often talked about here is not giving the switch the proper deep analysis it deserves.
Because his magic is so evident in ’17. Pitchers are really doing amazing out there.
And the teams in 1st place. What do you make of their catchers? Nats and Wieters? Rockies and Garneau and ???
So, all of your logic has to do with this 2 1/2 months? Are all catchers equally important to each of the teams you listed? I’ll answer – no. The Giants have a philosophy, and a stadium that matches it: pitching first. That won’t change. There success earlier this decade was led by that approach, even though they were also supported by important offense as well. Pitching first. Defense second. Hitting next.
Posey is a catcher. He CAN play first base. So, the proposal that you are bringing up, and many others as well, is that the philosophy be compromised for his hitting, mostly. He’s catching this season. His defense is its usual stellar stuff, as he guns down runners and so on. He’s hitting fine, though his power is down. I get the whole picture.
So, my opinion is clear: he catches, and Bobby does his hard work by NOT downgrading this organizations most important leadership and mentoring position so we get more hits out of first base
Buster Bench as a 1B would at least ensure one dominant hitter in the lineup everyday. They will need to find Posey’s protege sooner than later. They should have drafted somebody much sooner than the 2nd round. Think of Posey as the Yoda …
Buster hugs to my Cuz…Maybe there’s a Not-too-far downgrade that can slide in and he can mentor THAT guy behind the dish…I don’t trust that, but I’ll do my best to keep an open mind.
Uh, Buster’s leading the NL in hitting today, Foots. And don’t bring up a ‘power outage’ either.
He’s crushing my pitch of an argument outta here! But this is a new trend as he was downhill before, now he’s surprisingly up hill. What will next year bring??
and actually it is the long view if you can get around to seeing that …
Perhaps…it’s a long view with potential short and long term downgrades
Big whoop – team not going anywhere next year either, and ’19 doesn’t looks so hot from here also. Better opportunities on the draft board. And maybe a Belt trade hits the jackpot on an outfielder or young catcher.
Belt needs to start playing better before they can trade him. I am Belt fan, but trading him now would be trading low. I would hope if they do decide to trade him it is after he turns things around and actually would be attractive to other teams. Right now they would probably have to pay part of his contract to move him.
Sell low, buy high! Giants way!
Has he changed his mind?
Then and today
No baseball game could – should trash a Fathers Day because Fathers day – like Mothers day is iconic and baseball is only a game that was introduced to some of us by our moms and dads.
Our moms and dads never quit on us and they mostly taught us to not quit on whomever it is we root for.
An odd year that has gone sideways. Look back at how much pleasure that 103 win team gave us in 1993.
D1ck Pole was the pitching coach, not Rags. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_San_Francisco_Giants_season#Roster
Look back PRIOR to additions at the outfields in 10-12-14
John Bowker * Mark DeRosa * Darren Ford * Aaron Rowand * Nate Schierholtz * Andrés Torres * Eugenio Vélez
Torres was our real MVP in 2010.
TWG is into shock headlines lately!
If anyone has the opportunity, John Gavin from San Jose and Cal State Fullerton and SF Giants 8th Rd pick is pitching in the College WS vs Florida St on ESPN right now.
nice – give a scouting report.
so far, big lefty, 6’5″ 240lbs, but only seems to hit 90 on on fb which one would hope was better from that big a body.
if he threw gas with that body, he’d probably have gone much higher. I though he was a lefty – the next Ty Blach!
he is a lefty, I corrected it. Having issues with control so far
a 6-5 lefty, that could be intriguing.
Think Clayton Richard
Eff it. If Posey wants to catch so badly, trade him over the winter to the Braves. There could be some banners hoisted over there within a few years. Package Bumgarner as well for the best their loaded young farm system has to offer. Accelerate the Giants rebuild!
I know The Oracle is with me, who else?
Start thinking about a “semi-retool” and you will be on the right track.
Agree. Not good to do the baby and bath water deal.
You’ve really let this whole season effect your brain. I’ve not seen you more off the tracks as recently. The New Stridency !
Perfect! The Crazy-Crab Nebula !
I once knew a lady who had crazy crabs in her nebula
Is that English?
No. Her teeth were fine
But this really is an awful situation the Giants have gotten us bloggers into. When has Extra Baggs –>TWG existed with an awful team that is also thin on young talent?
We are entering a new era. I just don’t know if I can hang in a non-competitive epoch.
Glad you’ve finally pledged your allegiance.
They have a name for that. Fairweather something or other.
His personal globe is warming
You call brimstone fair?
I admit to being a fair-weather fan. Sports is entertainment and when you’re subjected continually to 3+ hours of unentertaining sports it’s perfectly acceptable to change the channel.
Won’t disagree. Turning off doesn’t equate to vehement disgust and doomsday prophecies.
It comes back to the question I asked a few weeks ago. Would be fans happier keeping their favorites around and watching a mediocre team, or would they rather see the organization try to get back to the top? Of course, there’s no guarantee that they would make smart trades, but whether he’s pitching for the Giants or someone else, the odds of Bumgarner pitching well throughout his next very expensive contract aren’t good. As soon as he returns and shows he’s still Bumgarner, he becomes one of the most valuable players in trade in all of baseball.
Let’s go get a beer, or an iced coffee! Matthew and Rob can come if they want. The Royals did very well by trading Zach Greinke when they did.
What, the rest of us aren’t cool enough to have a beer with you and TO?
Efrain will also be there.
I agree with trading posey (assuming he can be convinced). Bumgarner no
I know this was posted, but this guy Murphy is a genius!:
Belt needs and should be the first piece to be moved.
He is untradable with his contract, and his production .
You have a low bar for genius, but I digress. Trading Belt at a nadir is no bueno, capiche?
I capiche all to well, do you?
No comprendo. No se tan bien.
I think his logic is unassailable. Moreover, with Belt having a bad BA this year and on pace for 150 SO, it can be written off as one bad year. If they wait ’til it’s 2 or 3 bad years the window of opportunity will have passed.
His salary next year= it passed , Chis Carter was released by the Brewers having a much better year making way less money, because they found a cheaper replacement .
I hear you but the Yankee thing makes sense as they are really hungry to win now, Carter is awful defensively and Bird is always hurt. Depends is they get really hungry.
Belt is not a pull hitter on fly balls, so Yankee stadium with it’s short porch in RF would not be a good fit for him, most of Belt’s HRs go to CF are Left CF .
Peter, there is no sense arguing with efrain about belt. Efrain just doesn’t like the idea of having someone with a southern accent on his team.
I am saying Efrain is half right, Belt has underperformed so bad this year with his contract , he is untradeable ,so the Giants are stuck with him either way .
of course you think Belt is having a bad year…….when it’s actually who Belt is. Last year was most likely the best he will ever be.
Now your being stupid he has always been , a .280–,270 hitter with lots of doubles and HRs in the high teens, 2013,2015, 2016, in 2014 he missed lots of time with injuries and hit for more power , but a lower average .
lol now you are name calling. Belt sucks and no stats you throw at me change that. His best years are most likely behind him is the point. And please don’t throw hitting HR ‘in the high teens” as something to get excited about.
Saying this is who he is, wrong, it is his worse year , average wise, Teen HRs do not impress me for how big he is either .
Belt SO 150 times is not a “bad year” it’s who he is period.
I had this heated argument with The Oracle a couple weeks ago. I insisted that the Giants could be a .500 team next year. I mean, like upper end, with everything going right, Belt crushing, Posey staying the course, Crawford and Panik coming back around, and some revelation in the outfield while the pitchers do their job.
I’m not so sure any more. Seems like Dreamboat Annie kind of song, Magic Man perhaps?
I think that perhaps The Oracle’s wisdom and foresight has declouded some of my own vision.
I tend to or want to think the Giants could be .500 or even contenders in 2018. Maybe wishful thinking?
A problem is not that the Giants have slipped and not added players but that their competition (primarily Dodgers, Rockies, Diamondbacks) have gotten so much better and deeper as have the Cubs and Nationals.
I put the Giants on the level of the Cardinals, Brewers, or Mets but with he current lack of success looking li9k the Padres, Phillies, or Brewers.
It is hard to identify where the re-enforcements will be sourced.
The competition has improved greatly and the Giants have slipped significantly.
That is what I typed only adding that I am in denial or want it to be not so bad.
Also that 2nd Brewers should be Braves, still get the Milwaukees mixed.
Also this Reply is through the email notification and DISQUS as your Reply did not show for me at TWG direct link.
But Brewers and Braves both ascending with very strong farm systems and young talent pools. Giants will be in league with the descending rebuilders.
The grouped the Brewers with Mets and Cardinals and oops in listing the Brewer rather than the Braves.
You are of course correct that the Brewers and Braves are ahead of the Giants in rebuild and farm; I am having a problem shaking the idea that the Giants could retain core talent (Posey, Crawford, Panik, Bumgarner, and Belt if not traded) that have productive mid career still in their future so the rebuild is not so extensive.
You really have to develop players, and the Giants just haven’t done that well enough to compete with the teams who are doing it well.
I expect that at least 3 of Belt , Mudbug, Pence, and Panik will have strong second half’s.And if you missed it, Span has had very good June at the bat. With Crick, Slater, Beede or Gregorio, Arroyo, Shaw, Mac, Okert and Jones knocking at the door .And some hope from Moronta, Duggar is now a mystery
Crick, Slater, Okert, and Beede should break out of the pack, the problem will be the pitching, not the offense. In trouble are Moore, Morris, Cain, Law, Gearrin, and Dyson.We can cover 2 of them but there’s a lot of work to do to get a respectable staff.
The problem will be the pitching. The really big, doomsday size problem will be the inability to hit the baseball with any remarkable, exciting exit velocities and consistency.
Are you being sarcastic about the pitching? The FA market is the only way to go.And there will be plenty to choose from,A trade often just creates a weakness that will hopefully address the weakness without creating another one.
Did you have any FA pitchers in mind? SF is certainly a nice place to pitch! Especially with Buster back there in the squat whispering sweet nuthings.
You pick them.
Only thing I can pick well is my nose.
In any case, I’m out for a few more days. I’ll count on you to get the rug rats in the fold
If you’re going someplace cool, I might meet you there. This place is too hot to handle.
PT wrote a letter stating that I might be incapable to be my wife’s caregiver anymore.My doctor has my back on this but it is still up in the air. Basically, i have to show that can .I have shown that I can- but it’s not easy for me .They might mistake that for being incapable. She would then have to go to a skilled nursing facility.I would only see her a for couple days a week.
That’s the short story.
Tough situation Mike, Ill keep my fingers crossed for you. Any homecare options?
No coverage. Whatever savings we have left would be gone in a few months.but we will be OK. We have overcome much more than this.
Have you explored Medical. They have a provision for that. I’m concerned given our mutually recognized realities in life. Email me if you want to chat about it. BTW, VA has some provisions as well.
i had medical-kicked out when I sold our property after the fire. That is considered income. In any case, nobody covers in home care. I have supplemal insurance that covers SNC for 1 year.
Medical has an in home healthworker for about 20 hours per week. It can be arranged to even pay a spouse for that delivery. But you know your circumstances.
I CAN’T GET MEDICAL ANYMORE. Capiche?
I don’t want to talk about this anymore and I’m sure that you all have heard enough. I’m taking a nap.
That’s a real life story of stress and heartache. Everything else is just whatever. Wishing all the fortitude to hold things together as you can and to find the best resolution for care and comfort when that time comes.
Sorry to hear this. Let us know if a good answer comes.
Best to you Michael Scott.
I wasn’t aware there had been a heated argument?
What’s that Bill Walsh quote?
“I’d rather trade a player a year too early than a year too late.”
Different sport and different era, so surely it doesn’t apply. Nonetheless, is this a .500 team next year? Could be, maybe so?
C – Posey/Fed X or Hundley or ???
1B – Belt/Posey
2B – Joe Panik
3B – Arroyo Grande
SS – Crawford
LF – Slater/Parker/Shaw/Span/???
CF – Lorenzo Cain/Span
RF – Pence/Span/Cain
Bench: Kelby/Calixte?/Ryder Jones/???
Rotation: Bumgarner, Cueto, Shark, Moore, Blach- Beede/Suarez
Pen: Melancon, Smith, Law, Strickland, Crick, Okert, Osich, Gregorio?
Which up and coming talent am I forgetting? 81 wins here or no?
I like the Cain idea
Well, some say he’s too old to sign as a FA and that’s not consistent with rebuild philosophy. But can’t please all the people all the time, can we?
He’d be perfect if Giants were in hunt right now. And if Royals were out of hunt. They’ve managed to pull themselves back together and get in the thick of the AL Central race.
He’ll be available after this season and not subject to losing any young guys in the transaction. Soon enough for me is an off-season deal.
I’m sure he’ll be thrilled to come to a team that just lost 100 games.
Show him the money, above what other teams think of as reasonable.
Their budget is already stretched. If they are overpaying, he’d better bring power.
Cain has 10 HR right now. Enough pop?
Jay Bruce may be what you want; 18 HR’s … about same age but not a CF’er if that matters.
No Cain doesn’t help them. They need a 20hr guy but Bruce is LH, so I don’t think he’s a good fit. Think he even publicly stated he hated ATT.
Cain is on pace for 25 but not at Willie Mays Field.
Last I looked he had just a few, he must be on a HR tear .
According to this pretty nifty page The Oracle posted a few days back.
8 this month, 6 in his last 8 games .
Oh yeah Bruce said that … Then Slappy Cain it is because really no one who is hitting over 25 HR’s anywhere will want to come to Willie Mays Field; no matter how much PJ begs him.
Develop them like Duvall, opps!
Good answer; the only chance they really have.
Shaw may be ThatGuy™.
Ryder Jones too, but both are Left handed .
yep who wouldn’t want a guy who will be 32 next spring. You are witnessing what has happened to guys like Pence and Span once they hit about that age right?
So for a team that needs to get younger you want a guy hitting the downward part of his career.
Cain is 31, has never hit more than 16 HRs, and has never played more than 140 games in a season.
Cain is better than and more dynamic than Span but not by that much and is past his peak.
A good fielding and good hitting CF would in a sense upgrade two OF positions.
I like Cain but practically speaking Cain is probably too old, too expensive for skills and age, and might end up blocking someone now at Giants AA or lower.
For 2018 I Iike the idea of a 4 or 5 players getting regular time in the OF, including Belt (if not traded) in LF.
CF Free Agent or Trade/Span – hopefully by 2019 or 2020 a homegrown Giant
I am giving Shaw another year in the minors.
Excellent quote from Walsh
All you are doing is adding Cain to the talent that is right now questionable.
That team is not only a 500 ball team next year, but for a few years after that unless they strip it and make actual changes.
But then you may be happy with a 500 ball team. I know many of us are not.
Time is now to blow this shit hole up and plan for the future, not have a mid level team (if that) for a long time.
I’ve been scanning the posts the last few weeks reviewing all the trade possibilities. All I can say is there is a lot of wishful thinking going on. Let’s take an example, Mr. Evans you want what for Belt? A .221 FB with an OPS of .748 who is streaky. Not going to go well. Bobby, Bobby, Bobby you want who for Moore a pitcher with a losing record and 6 ERA and Whip of 1.62. I got this great utility guy we might give up for him.
GM’s are looking for guys who can help them now. Nunez, Posey, Panik, Tomlinson (maybe), Crawford Samardzija, and Blach are in my mind the only marketable players. Maybe Cueto and Melancon because of their past performance to a desperate team lacking pitching. We have been hearing the farm system is not highly rated of the last few years and maybe the pundits were right. Where is the pitching? This is looking like a long slow turn around. If you move any of the above mentioned marketable players I move to the over on the 100 loss season. I am probably there now.
Nunez is sure a nice pickup for a contender. Plays 3B pretty darn well and he hits. He’s aggressive, but he can get big hits and can utilize that speed on the bases. A nice complementary player for a winner.
here’s a blurb relevant to the non-existent market for 1Bs:
JUNE 19: The interest in working out a long-term pact is mutual, per Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. In his latest 10 Degrees
column, Passan writes that the A’s “have expressed interest in an
Alonso extension,” noting that Oakland is keenly aware that there aren’t
many clear-cut buyers looking to acquire a first baseman or designated
hitter. With a likely buyers’ market for first base/DH options this
summer, the A’s could see more value in working out a deal to retain
So if Passan is right the talk of trading Belt won’t do much for the organization.
Nothing ideal about trading Belt right now. But if Alonso is off market, Hosmer stays put, and Belt were to do something with the bat in the next month, you never know. The Yankees may really like him.
He does not fit that ball park .
Nunez also has been hampered with hamstring problems.
In general, fans like us these days have a go-to reaction, as unrealistic as it is….which boils down to “we’re having a bad season, so let’s make trades”, or “this team looks like it’s on a downslide, so let’s make trades”.
I know I often get push back for saying this, but…since we are most certainly NOT bargaining from a position of strength, and since we DO have a core of good players in their prime, I prefer letting this terrible season ride. Let’s see if any of the core get back on their game, and if any of the young players (Slater…not sure who else) can emerge.
I personally think trading Belt is not smart, and especially not now.
Nice boiler, Giffie!
It’s a tough call, Matthew. If you do nothing and lose 100 games then the fans scream about FO inaction. If you do something and end up 75-87 then the fans scream that the acquisitions are bums. Your suggestion might be the smartest of them all because we don’t want to trade guys at a career bottom. We wouldn’t get enough for them.
I go back and forth, but I think your strategy makes a lot of sense. I would trade Nunez–he has value–although I lack confidence in Evans to make the best deal. Maybe we can get something of value for Gillaspie, but after that it’s DFA time.
Trade him for what..a prospect?
Yes. Seems there could be an AL team that could use Conor. See what the market is, anyway.
But if nothing else has been demonstrated by this endless parade of AAAA players, it seem to me to be, they have no ability currently in the GMgmt of the Giants to recognize and/or develop MLB level talent. IMO, you don’t trade for anyone until you clean that rats nest of baseball Luddites out and replace them we people who can recognize and develop talent.
Do you think three World Series wins demonstrated anything about the organization’s ability to recognize and/or develop MLB level talent?
Not recently. When were those key WS drafts made???
They subsequently came up with Belt, Crawford and Panik. They don’t have the greatest draft track record, but I doubt they have anywhere near the worst.
Seems that the judgment of veteran talent has fallen off of late, too. Moore is case-in-point. He had some great years before 2015 from which point he’s been mediocre. Samardzija’s numbers definitely do NOT say $90M for 5 years. Of all their acquisitions within the last year only Nunez has kept pace with his former life before San Francisco.
$17M er year for 4 years is impossible to trade a .221 hitting first baseman who hit .240 the second half of last year
The good thing about this strategy would be that it would result in a couple of extra years of high draft picks.
Tunneling in Denver with the curveball. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/have-the-rockies-found-answers-at-altitude/
Fullerton gets 2 on with 2 out, behind by 2, but let a .248 hitter with 0 HRs hit, the kid from Elk Grove, about 5 ft 6 in, never took the bat off of his shoulders and struckout on a pitch right down the middle, nobody on the bench that cold hit better I guess .are coach is very bad .
If you could manage every team the world would be a glorious place.
If the poor guy could only quit drinking…
Bummer. The Titans are headed back home. They could have used Mark Kotsay, Phil Nevins, and Tim Wallach. Maybe Kevin Kostner as well.
Nunez back; Gorkys in; Slater out. Sigh
The old, ‘we don’t want a young hitter flailing at a knuckleball’ theory?
I guess. More of “Bochy by the Book”, I guess. Over/under on hits by Span: 1/2. I’ll take the under, please.
half of a hit sounds about right
You might get lucky but he’s hitting .333 this month, .408 OBP, .901 OPS..
I’ll take the under on Belt and Pence – they’re both pathetic at the plate.
Throwing MyGorkys to the Wolves With Knuckles. smh
I guess it’s Gork’s 4/10 w/1 hr against dickey
It’s 111 in Davis.
A pleasant 75 here in Oakland.
But we have numerical alliteration.
114 here with a few degrees to go.
I believe it was 128 in parts of Pakistan last week. I think the all time surface record is 135-138 out in Libya or Tunisia or thereabouts. Always disputes about verification.
That’s pretty hot. Our record is only 122 in 1990.
that’s worse than Goshen
Suck it up, sissy.
My fan is my god.
My god is a big fan of mine.
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Welcome to Atlanta, Giants. Braves have a little two-game win streak going (vs. Miami) and they’re 5-5 over the last 10 games. Sports talk radio theme today: “yeah, we’re struggling a bit, but we’re better than these guys!” We’ll see.
I’m limited to Braves TV for the series. If Chip Caray pushes me over the edge I can always revert to Giants radio. Absolutely not listening to Braves radio–Don Sutton must get paid by the word. Freakin’ Dodger.
Let’s win tonight and see where that takes us. Rain in the area forecast all four days. Hope for minimal delays and no make-up doubleheader nonsense.