You know, I watched every pitch of this game, and I’m hard-pressed to remember many of the details. The futility and the boredom are making things start to blur together. So what to say about this one?
Well, Cain was decent. He gave up one earned run in five innings despite allowing 11 baserunners.He actually lowered his ERA, which is not something pitchers can usually say after a start at Coors Field. As we discussed during the game, in three of his five innings, he allowed a hit(s) with two outs and nobody on. For his career, batters have a .618 OPS against him in that situation. In 2017, it’s .937, and that was before today’s game. But it could have been worse. Has been worse.
He also came up with this quote (via @ExtraBaggs) that one of our regular commenters will appreciate (or disagree with):
Matt Cain, the longest tenured Giant: "You can't expect to win all the games and for everything to be peaches."
— Andrew Baggarly (@extrabaggs) June 17, 2017
One of the storylines the past two nights has been the Giants’ dreadful defense, from Posey making two throwing errors in one game (that had only happened once before in his career) to the horrendous displays of outfielder ineptitude. Today was a much cleaner game. Although the wind seemed to be playing games with every ball hit in the air, the outfielders actually caught them when they were supposed to. There were no errors and just one passed ball by Nick Hundley, who also astonishingly threw out a runner at second. Aaron Hill actually made a great bare-handed play at 3B.
What did I say in my pregame post? The Giants just find ways to lose games. They scored 17 runs in the previous two games, losing both. They scored one run in this one. The game started with Tomlinson drawing a walk and getting picked off and went downhill from there. They were 1 for 7 with runners in scoring position. More on that one in the next section…
My new goal for this season is to try to find at least one or two in each game. As to the W-L record and the standings, well, it is what it is. But it’s still baseball. So here are today’s bright spots:
- Gorkys Hernandez: Two more hits, the only RBI (they shouldn’t have pitched to him), batting average over the Mendoza line now. Yes. Gorkys gets a video highlight in my postgame wrap. Here are Gorkys’ numbers for June: .455/.417/.727/1.144. You go, Gorkys. Don’t listen to the Haterz; what do they know, anyway?
- Josh Osich: Lost in all the misery is that Osich is quietly having a bounce-back season and is the top-dog lefty reliever again over Steven Okert (now in AAA). The numbers are good; the eye test is good; the stuff has always been good. If he can right his ship, that’s good news for the Giants’ bullpen next year.
- Joe Panik: Joe had three more hits and has raised his average back to a very respectable .274. He has an OPS of 1.135 for June and .944 over the past month.
- Buster Posey: He played today after missing just one game. Apparently when he limped into the dugout after the HR on Thursday, everyone feared that it was much worse.
(Who is that in the image on top of this post–Buster or Joe?)
It feels like more shake-ups are coming. Will Hwang get a look before his opt-out date? Will Ryder Jones earn his first call-up? When do we get to see Kyle Crick? And has the NL forgotten about Strickland’s suspension?
I’ll check in tomorrow morning with any notes from the River Cats game. Until then, Lefty out.
Let’s call sitting Panik what it is: Bochy going with his righty platoon vs. a lefty, regardless of current trend. Panik has put up solid ABs in every game he’s played this year, yet this is his second benching in six games. Dumb.
Bochy has a problem with Lefties being able to hit Lefties, the book say they can not, and he manages by the book, even if the splits say otherwise .
Once Joe made the starting lineup in 2014, he became an everyday player. This is just not making sense. I might have bought it last year when Panik’s eyesight was impacted by his concussion, but not now.
…..Something more than meets the eye”…..
Think it through.
Let’s call what it is- we don’t know why he’s sitting.
It’s platooning but a lot of people don’t want to call it that. Tomlinson started against Lester even in the NLDS last year, remember? It isn’t complicated, Tomlinson is just a much better career hitter against lefties than Panik is, that’s just a fact (wRC+ 120 vs. 96). I’m not going to criticize Bochy for this.
To bad they scored that run in the 9th, to mess up the title of the post .
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I wrote them together because it’s Sunday. I’m watching my dad. I’m tired of the losing and I just want to go outside and enjoy the sunshine on my motorcycle.
Take a picture.
I clicked on your new post link and it couldn’t find the page. Just thought you’d want to know.
I also corrected the game recap above to indicate the Giants did score a cool run.
“I don’t know what else to say that has not already been said, quoted, screamed and questioned in your trusty and testy comments.”
Trusty- not so much.
4th in runs scored
Last in runs allowed.
I’m going out a limb here but I’m guessing that the hitting is not the issue
OK, maybe I will go with the proles now- Henry says that Joe is fine.
I cannot explain why there are 15 comments from two months ago attached to this post that I just published.
Website malfunction? I have to hit “home” and then the title of the latest blog entry to get here. The site does have glitches.
Trump! No wait, it’s some kind of pre-Breckeroni!
Hahahaha. No peaches for Cain. Thanks for the shout out Matt.
I can relate to the boredom, Lefty. I missed the entire game and plan to miss a great many more. When they hit, they give up 10+ runs. When it’s a low scoring game they lose 4-1. No clutch hitting or pitching. Today, Morris ruined a recoverable situation.
How about we just watch with no stress? It’s just one of those seasons. Let’s see what emerges for next season…
Nice to see Gorkys and Slater having success considering they make the league minimum and haven’t been fattened by ridiculous contracts.
Until we are mathematically eliminated, that may be a tad difficult to be stress free. But I think the stress of it all is the flat-line type play at times, missed opportunities, uh, f*** it.
Missed opportunities I’ll say!! In the last few days they’ve had games with 1 run on 8 hits and now 1 run on ten hits. People make excuses for their lack of HR but AT&T does have a reachable left field yet it seems like the whole team has a center-right orientation.
How come entries are showing up today that are from 2 months ago? A slew of them!! Something is wrong in web land.
Disqus misbehaves from time to time.
It scares me that software runs the world because most of it is undecipherable spaghetti code. I know … I taught the bastards.
I kind of got a kick with you responding to a Scotty post from two.months ago. Fourth in runs scored should have been a dead give away. G’s have been dead last for over a month.
Yeah, I deleted that post after I saw the timeline.
That’s okay…that’s something I usually end up doing. 🙂
It seems rather interesting that the old stuff is TWG. And that the topics include losing to the Padres: whom we still trail in the present. There is some kind of ghost in the machine.
The good ol’ days, when hope was alive
Yeah two months ago we were all still full of hope.
Atta babe, Arrieta
Haven’t seen hands like that since Mark Eaton hanged ’em up.
Oregon State is 55-4 so far this season. That is just plain crazy. And the Pac12 is right up there with the all the other divisions in college baseball. Pat Casey likes to recruit primarily from Oregon, a state where there is almost as much rain as there is here in Washington. He’s had back to back national titles a few years ago and he’s back at again. 55-4 in D1 baseball. Unbelievable.
Did they sign KD or something?
If you play HS baseball in Oregon, you want to play for Oregon State. It drives the competitiveness to be recruited.
Anyone who says Baez isn’t a special talent needs to sit in the corner
Out of 199 players with 190+ plate appearances, Javier Baez’ wRC+ of 82 ranks his 162% (wRC+ is the most widely accepted getting offensive statistics). That’s 19th percentile. Defensively, out of 30 2bman with 250+ innings played, he’s ranked 19th. That’s 37th percentile.
What’s special about that?
Or are you talking about Joan Baez?
Watch the game being played. It might help you see. Or, just run numbers.
Go find that other human being who thinks Kelby is better. Don’t use your mirror to find them
Here I wasn’t comparing him to Kelby, just the rest of the league. Fair enough comparison? He’s a bad hitter and a mediocre fielder. How many games have you seen him play other than the NLDS? Didn’t think so. Or are you basing your eye test on highlights films?
I have seen him play at least 50-75 times. That’s fact. I know he’s a good player. Anyone associated with baseball does. Every “fan” but you does. You keep beating a point. Baez is good today, will be good tomorrow…you did compare him to Kelby.
I think for myself and always do. I’ve seen the names you’ve called very intelligent baseball people…if you dish, be ready to take. (The best is calling ClutchUp “stupid”. He has a baseball mind and experience 100x more rich and complete than yours). I’m never embarrassed by my views and opinions of baseball, being around it, playing it into college, coaching it, Ned now observing with a much more keen eye than many…your stats can enhance, but they simply do not determine talent as you claim
If he’s so good, why does he have a career wRC+ of 82? That’s really bad, you know.
Actually wOBA is.
As we all know, the Giants had a run of bad seasons last decade that resulted in high draft picks and the selections of Lincecum (10th in 2006), Bumgarner (11th in 2007) and Posey (5th in 2008). They also chose Wheeler with the 6th pick in 2009. Without Lincecum, Bumgarner and Posey, would they have won any of those World Series? I don’t think so. So now, while everyone seems to be down about all of these losses, let’s keep in the mind the opportunity they bring. Here are some of the top 11 selections since the Giants started winning and no longer picked near the top:
2010: Bryce Harper #1, Manny Machado #3, Matt Harvey #7,
2011: Gerritt Cole #1, Anthony Rendon #6, Francisco Lindor #8, Javier Baez #9;
2012: Carlos Correa #1, Addison Russell #11;
2013: Kris Bryant #2…the Giants picked Bickford at #10
2014: Carlos Rodon #3, Kyle Scwarber #4;
2015: Dansby Swanson #1, Alex Bregman #2, Andrew Benintendi #7, Ian Happ #9;
No one from the 1st round of 2016 has made the big leagues yet, and the more recent the draft, the less we know about which players will be successful, but the opportunity to find a difference maker is a good thing.
I agree and would go a step further and say no need to rush Bum back.
No one? Is it possible that baseball, as a whole, isn’t drawing as much talent as it used to?
It’s as likely that the talent is just more evenly distributed.
name how many baseball draft pics actually make it the next season?
You do realize that even top rated picks don’t just make the jump into the majors in one year or even two. It’s a vary rare thing.
Therefore knowing this, it should tell you has nothing to do with some assumed dearth of talent.
Nice piece on Adam Duvall. http://www.fangraphs.com/community/why-is-nobody-talking-about-adam-duvall/
Looks like just what the Giants need. Maybe the Giants can offer the Reds a starting pitcher for him, like Mike Leake?
Does it not seem (20/20 h/sight) that the Duvall and Duffy trades destroyed this team? It’s got to make Evans skittish approaching July 31.
Simple answer is no. Duffy is injured and may never play again. So essentially we got Moore for nothing and, notwithstanding how terrible he has been this season, he did have key wins versus the Dodgers to help get to the playoffs and a great performance in Game 4 of the NLDS before the bullpen blew up. (AS long as we are dealing in retrospect, having seen Moore blow up an inning, does anyone still think it was a bad idea to take him out after 8 innings in that game?)
The retrospective answer on DuVall is a bit more problematic. Yes, he has blossomed into a good power hitter and respectable outfielder. However his numbers are undoubtedly inflated some by the Reds Stadium as well as the lineup surrounding him. Leake too, however, this year is having an All-Star season with at 3.14 ERA, a 1.09 WHIP and a 2.4 WAR. Obviously he failed to produce as a Giant, partially because of injury right after he joined the team, and we traded a prospect to fill a perceived need at the time, knowing that he was a free agent. However if we are looking at what they both are right this minute–Leake v. DuVall is a wash, or if the premium is on pitching, perhaps advantage Leake.
How can you call that deal a wash when neither player is on the Giants, and both are performing well elsewhere.
That’s exactly why it’s a wash and more important entirely irrelevant
Your logic is perfectly cromulent.
But the situation does suggest arguing hypotheticals can make you crazy, especially in retrospective.
It think the best buzz of the 2016 draft goes to Nick Senzel of the Reds and AJ Puk of the A’s. I’ll have to dig deeper into that list so as to speculate who will join the other 1st round success stories.
Nice, Lefty is being treated to the Orlando Calixte and Andrew Suarez show – looks like Suarez has the strikeout stuff tonight and Calixte’s bat remains too hot for others to handle.
Suarez ran out of gas and his 100th pitch was a 2-run homer. Very warm night. Overall, numbers notwithstanding, he’s impressive. Good stuff and command; ahead of all the hitters.
Good we’ll need a lefty ready once Moore is no longer a Giant.
Some bloops and bleeders. 95 on the FB and a slider kill pitch.
95 top, sitting 92?
Lots of 94s
Wow. What was other starter throwing? Does he appear to have better makeup than Beede?
Any stadium gun readings?
ETA to MLB?
We’ve seen a lot of lines like his this year. How did the ball come out of his hand?
I mentioned a few weeks ago the probable over under on the Giants losing 100 games. Looking pretty good right now.
Saw this kid at the Gallo Center last year with Robben Ford. Very inspirational, but also humbling for us who try our best to play…this song is apropos for this interesting Giants season! Play it, Joe zrobinson….
Great catch in LF by Chris Shaw https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/66770d5f5ed4d34d4f07adfda92d42d49446d6abb866b6b030f3dd31081ff3b3.jpg
Nice catch by photographer too.
Just went to the AtBat app to see some of the “highlights”. First two were postgame Q&A with the managers. Bud Black turns 60 later this month. He looks ten years younger. Bochy turned 62 this spring. He looked ten years older. This season is hurting him in every way, and yeah–we should be concerned.
Bochy really needs his own victory tour. He has nothing to prove. If I were him, I’d retire @ the AS break, before his lifetime record drops below .500. He has nothing left to prove.
If you planted corn- you better hope that you did it right or you are better off watching baseball. Now- our goal should be 62-100.Get it done.
OK- back to the corn.First, you have to know when to plant- at midnight around May 10 in these parts you sit on your bare ass in the field-to-be.When the ground is warm enough that you can sit all comfy like for 5 minutes, it’s time to plant. I’ll skip to July 4 when your corn should be as high as an elephant’s eye. Mine is there already. It will be ready to eat on .August 18th, Merna’s birthday. In this clip Big Country Mike is played by Gordon MacRae.
The better selection for this season might’ve been “Poor Jud is Dead.”
Nice talking corn, goodnight. A really cool T-Shirt for Dads- ” To the Best Unindicted Dad in the World””
This season is a crap sandwhich! This team lost something at the All Star Break last year and it’s never returned.
In principle it’s time to bring up Hwang to take a serious look at him before his opt-out on July 1. The problem is that when Nunez comes back, Bochy is likely to use that as an excuse to put Nunez in the outfield and dump Slater.
Dude, give it a rest. Put it on a shelf. Bury it in your yard. Do you really not get tired of a one-note melody?
So what do you suggest? Not call up Hwang and then he’ll opt out? Call him up and bench Nunez? Call him up and put Nunez in left? Those are kind of the only options, no? Don’t just criticize, think!
He suggested a second note🎼
Actually I defended Bochy right above.
Will you acknowledge that we can all have different, yet legitimate, opinions to yours? And that it doesn’t mean we need to “learn a little”? It’s extremely disrespectful and why you’re getting some harsh push back.
The reason I don’t is because you don’t give me any reason to other than saying ‘everyone knows’. That isn’t a reason. Everyone knew that the world was flat for a long time. I am happy to listen to different kinds of arguments but ‘everyone knows’ isn’t an argument.
Neither is “learn a little”
I’ve been criticizing Bochy for a lot of things lately but platooning Tomlinson with Panik at 2nd is not one of them (platooning Hill is a different matter, that’s just stupid). Tomlinson started against Lester even in the NLDS last year, remember? It isn’t complicated, Tomlinson is just a much better career hitter against lefties than Panik is, that’s just a fact, it isn’t close (wRC+ 120 vs. 96, avg. .327 vs. .278, slugging .418 vs .358).
No, how can Bruce be playing the lefty righty splits instead of playing the kids everyday?
The Giants have some prospects to look at soon. The issues is they have veterans in front of them. Many of the veterans due to contracts can not be moved to make room for them. Nobody is going to trade for Belt and his $17M per year for the next 4 years and that is the position they need to move Buster into real soon. Slater has played very well so far and they have another prospect that has been a rover to look at. The problem is his positions are corner outfield third and first. You have to presume first is locked up for 4 years with Belts horrible contract or Buster and Arroyo is either third short or second. So one of your top prospects has not position to step into unless you get rid of Pence who at this point with his injury and productivity is to rich a contract for anyone to take as trade, you have Crawford who has a few more years of being a mediocre hitter and an above average fielder and Panik, who apparently has finally found his stroke again. These are some tough decisions a GM must make to guauge the young players vs balance the Checkbook of overpriced non performers that some look like they are going to be Horrible contracts for the next year or 4.
Nice summary, Dr. I also watched the whole dreary slide into another L, starting with the ghastly pickoff of KT that cost them a 1st-inning lead. And Pence’s stumble after another flyball in RF (what has happened to Hunter?). And Bob Belt’s checked-swing strike leading to a bases-loaded K that killed their chances for good. A game of centimeters.
Glad to see Joe P. back though, and Osich has looked lights-out for sure. And maybe Slater’s for real. 100-loss season, coming down hard…
p.s. Los Gigantes ain’t:
JUNE 18, 2017
adjective [hwiz-oh, wiz-oh]
1. British Slang. absolutely first-rate; superb; excellent.
Pence stinks, Span stinks, Belt is really stinking it up this year, a lot of the pitching stinks, guys that shouldn’t be on the roster stink, Crawford and Panik haven’t been all that; other than Posey, who does not stink? The rookie Slater?
I’ve never quite understood the reason for a mid-season sell-off until now. I said (below) that Bochy should check out at the AS break, and Evans should be fired for fkg up a first-place team 1 year ago.
Additional 2 pesos: dfa span, dl pence until he really gets his legs back, hang onto Gorks until a cf’er’s ready in Sacmto., let Slater play until proven otherwise, bring up Shaw, sell Nuñez, and give Hill away.
A week ago I would’ve said the same thing about Cain, but now the whole staff has 5.00 ERAs – pretty hard to single him out. But they better see what J.C. will bring, and take any offers for Moore. Flush the Duffy trade for good.
I still like Osich, but every other body in the BP is fungible, imho. Name me one who’s reliable.
Didn’t think so…
Yeah, show me the cromulent bodies on this team. That’s what I thought.
That’s a new one on me, Foots – sounds Clemens-like:
10 Perfectly Cromulent Words | Merriam-Webster
“It is safe to say that The Simpsons has contributed a great deal to the English language. One famous example is cromulent, which was coined specifically for the 1996 episode “Lisa the Iconoclast.” In reference to one character’s questioning of the use of embiggen, another says “it’s a perfectly cromulent word.”
No one should be safe. Fire Evans, and burn this mother to the ground. Let Boch retire with his ticker and begin the rebuild Astros style. Trade them all…..
Nobody will want Pence for $18M, nobody will take Belt for 4 years at $17M, Who really wants an inconsistent Smardzija for $19M for 4 years
Samardzija represents a favorable free agent contract for a mid rotation pitcher. He could definitely help a winner. He’s healthy. Teams wouldn’t be able to sign him for less on the open market. As for Belt, 68 million across 4 years is more than teams would commit to a guy coming off a stinker of a year at the plate that happens to have gold glove qualities. Maybe he finds his stroke, passes 20 HRs and gets average up .250. Then maybe there would be some takers among teams that need a 1B.
Because Samardzija is a “favorable contract for a mid rotation pitcher” who has pitched much better over the last 6 weeks than his numbers show, why on earth would we want to trade him?
I don’t think the Giants would. I think they’d receive phone calls and then Evans would stonewall the caller.
His contract was back loaded also, so 19.8 Million a year starting this year , and the 3 years after this year , not so friendly for a pitcher that will be 33 next year with his ERA .
The Giants will be bad for years , and need talent, and salary relief, this is no quick fix, this is a bad team with one of the highest payrolls in MLB . Next year they have only 11 players signed for 165 Million, it gets worse, Belt ,Crawford all get big raises next year . and Melancon .
You are living in denial, that’s what I see above, Crawford for example is batting 5th, when he batted 8th when the Giants won it all in 2012 and 2014, and Belt batted mostly 7th in those years and is batting 3rd now, those guys are not middle of the order hitters for contenders .
i’m giving you an up arrow for living in the real world and recognizing the problems
When you have time, set some conditions on the “bad for years” statement.
Like what if they trade Cueto for a prospect [or just unload his contract on someone] and sign someone like Bruce next year? Will that make them a Contender?
No, I doubt they get much for Cueto, his contract is a killer for another team, Bruce is another over 30 outfielder, I would go young in the outfield .
I notice all the arrows up from people that live in a fantasy world, and think the Giants are not this bad, and next year they will be a contender .
Anybody the Rockies want from the Giants roster to help them with their World Series push? I’d take Raimel Tapia to play CF for the Giants. Dat skinny dude can hit. Runs around the bases fast too.
Those Rox be loaded. What do they want? Rock n’ roll? Their farm system is robust. I wonder if Lefty would concur that their #2 hitter, playing 1B, Ryan McMahon was the most MLB looking prospect on the field, best pro make-up.
I’m also going to venture the stadium gun was a little hot on a hot night in Sacto. Consistently 94-95 sounds like a blazing young arm. Suarez had been scouted as such:
“5) Andrew Suarez, LHP, Grade B-/B: Age 24, 3.63 ERA with 124/29 K/BB in 144 innings between High-A and Double-A, 154 hits allowed; ultra-polished lefty with 88-94 MPH fastball, solid slider and change-up, throws strikes, excellent pitching instincts and mound presence; second round pick in 2015 from University of Miami; main risk is concern about his durability given history of labrum/shoulder issues; fourth starter projection. ETA 2018.” -JS
Maybe that ETA shifts to a September call up. And you just never know with pitching prospects. Dodgers uber prospect Julio Urias has been on the shelf a while and should be coming back soon with promising medicals, but still, these arms often have a tenuous grip on the ball.
There may be 3 players MAX who are ” dealable” and/or should be dealt. All the talk about “burning it to the ground” is being said by people here who have no clue about the reality of how these things work.
As to Andrew Suarez, maybe Slania is a decent comp- How did that work out for him in AAA?
BTW, any Dads who don’t want another stupid BBQ apron, I’ll buy them from you. Sort of like buying your old phone.
I’m wall papering my Old Fart Cave with the aprons.
Just wanted to wish all the dads out there a very Happy Father’s Day. We all want a Giants win today. Yes, I will be watching.
Oh yeah, Happy Father’s Day. Get your powder blue best on and enjoy the day!
Winning games is no longer a worthy goal for the team, and most importantly- for us.Watching fights break out in the dugout is what to hope for.
*The Latino’s take on Smarge
*Bochy turns to Paul Bunyan and tells him to get his ass to the bump. Pauly Shore would’t take this much time.
*Best fight- Pence vs.the baseball
*Worth watching instead of La La Land- well, anything, really
I did not lie. A couple of real turkeys…
Brandon and Brandon! How cute
Amazingly different. And green food?
the jar has a blue green tint – just run of the mill high protein chick starter
Aah, I’m dumb. Yeah, I was thinking turkeys must utilize chicken food, as opposed to there being something like Purina Turkey Chow.
Stay thirsty my friends ! Good read. Very interesting guy, for real!
Not something I read. Wife forwarded it to me, not like she reads it either. I think she finds things like this through reddit or jezebel or something. Is there a problem with Politico? Does an article about chumminess with Obama say it all for you? Are you fed up with the liberal media and liberals in general? What’s happening in the WSJ today? They still won’t let me in.
You gotta buy in…and it’s Sunday, so no go.
Yes, I’m fed up ( not with Barack…just with links on here that are always that direction)
Got anything good from National Review or Breitbart or WSJ that would be appropriate? Together we’re all eyes and ears.
With all this trade/rebuilding talk it is important to keep in mind that based on the performances to date, trading away many of the players mentioned at this point is a fools errand and it is delusional that they will bring about any meaningful return to fuel a rebuild.
Obviously the team has been so dreadful that even I am discouraged, but we need to be realistic. The trades that bring top prospects — which are a gamble in and of themselves– are for top performing players on losing teams– see e.g. Jay Bruce top the Mets last year– not poor performing players on losing teams with big contracts. So the likelihood of getting much at this point for Pence, or Belt, or Span or anyone else is remote. Other teams are not stupid. Perhaps Melancon is the only valuable trade chip at this point
We have a nucleus of proven– even superstar players– Posey, MadBum (assuming he comes back OK)–those are the players that other teams would kill for– but trading them is inconceivable. And we have solid if not very good or better other “younger” players (Crawford, even if he isn’t hitting at last year’s pace is still a gold glove shortstop). And Panik, for example, lately seems to be regaining his stroke), Blach seems like the real deal. We also have several potential prospects almost big league ready, Arroyo and Slater and some pitching. We also have a great deal of money coming off the books next season to sign free agents (e.g. Cain and likely Cueto)
So here is the dilemma– and to me the answer is obvious. Do we bet on the possibility– perhaps even probability that players with a proven track record of better production than we are seeing, regain where they were next year, and if so fill in what may be not that many pieces to contend again, or do we blow up the whole thing up –selling low– in the HOPE that 4-5 years down the road we might contend again.
This to me is a no brainer. Check out all the teams who are in perpetual rebuilding. I for one don’t want to be one of them. (A complete rebuild at my age means I am unlikely to ever see another WS Parade)
If this year’s underachievers fail to return to form next year, we have lost nothing, since nobody would give us much for them now anyway–and we could get the same return next year. On the other hand if they do even partially return to historic production we essentially get a free upgrade or more in trade value There are enough solid pieces that remain–we are never going to be able to replace Posey and Madbum — with cash on hand for free agents and a couple of players already in the system to retool. If it fails, we have lost nothing.
Hard to argue with hat logic. I suspect it will go as you say given the FO too.
Happy Father’s Day Surf and to all out there.
Denial too .
Thank you. I’ll admit I get attached to these guys and don’t like the talk of trading our core. There are ebbs and flows in this game. Panik was under performing, and now he is back to the guy we expected. Crawford will find his stroke. Belt has always been streaky.
I’m slowly moving from denial to acceptance. This is not the performance we hoped for or expected. Nor is it what the players expected of themselves.
Happy Father’s Day, Peter.
Thank you, but this is honesty, this team is bad, not going to turn it around over night .
Would still like a win today.
They can do that, small expectations are good .
They are stuck, they can not blow it up, to many bad contracts, and players with full no trade clauses (Pence,Posey,Crawford, Melancon) or Partial no trade clauses (Belt, Samardzija}. Ilike you make it all about you , they can no rebuild because I am too old, wow, a little selfish you think .
That was “tongue in cheek,” and (as usual? ) you miss the point. There is no great answer but the least of the bad answers is to hope that players like Belt and Pence regain their historic production, since they have no trade value now anyway. You sell high– not low– and right now, anyone whom we might want to sell, no one wants to buy at a reasonable cost.
Pence is hopeless, he’s too old and beat up. Belt might.
I get our collective frustration. I understand -but don’t agree with – the insatiable appetite for anything young and new to answer every problem. But what you say is how success is built and maintained…do not overreact.
Fans of this organization should have full understanding that they will not be as extreme as many fans want. They just won’t. I’m OK with that.
When a season goes this far south, it’s natural for fans to think everything they see, every player trend, is locked in stone. It’s not. The Giants know this, and regardless whether the reason is balance sheet/investment or patience – or, more likely, both – their pragmatic and methodical approach has served us well. But, we have literally no patience and less memory.
It’s a bad season. Every conceivable thing that could go wrong, has. Now let’s use the rest of the season to see who changes their trajectory.
Just close your eyes and everything will be better, right Matthew .
Actually, I said to keep your eyes wide open rather than have a tantrum and ask for different cookies
Good , as long as you understand that they will be bad for a while .
Pepperidge Farm Mint Brussels!
Open your eyes and realize we have nothing to trade–selling at the bottom of the market is a recipe for perpetual poverty
I agree, but they will be bad next year too, and I see it as a 4 year are longer process until they are a contender again .
I actually agree with you. (A first?) If players don’t return to historic performance they may well be bad again next year. The point is that they may not be bad and could even return to be good if things break right, but waiting to see costs us nothing since we have nothing to sell.
Who exactly are you waiting to return to ‘historic performance’?
Correction–we have nothing that YOU are willing to trade.
No just realize where we are and what possible paths forward exist and make the best choices under the circumstances.
The teams that trade off all their stars to ‘rebuild’ just end up trading the 2 or 3 good players they develop by the time those come to the end of arbitration service just end up in a cycle of trading them off. It is boring, and fruitless. The goal has to be to continuously develop 1-2 players per year, and judiciously fill in with free agents where needed, as “continuous improvement”. I think the Giants got in a rut with outside pitching (Leake, Moore, Samardzja, Cueto) that ties their hands financially. And not good planning and awful luck with OF players.
Gotta do something pretty serious to turn over the OF, gotta dump one of the big pitching contracts (maybe even two) to have some $$$ flexibility, gotta keep the infield intact unless they get a good offer for Belt, and gotta get some luck with guys like Calixte or Hwang or Slater or Jones or … suddenly blossoming.
But they aren’t developing 1-2 players a year. They basically aren’t developing anyone.
That’s simply not true. I could recite the list but it would be a waste of time.
Look at their starting lineup. Other than left field, where there essentially isn’t anybody, the last player they developed was Panik in 2014. That was 3 years ago. Who are you talking about? The outfield is an absolute catastrophe and they haven’t developed anyone there in like 30 years.
Duffy, Blach, Duvall .
They traded Duffy and Duvall for nothing. Blach isn’t exactly proven, he’s pitched what, 1/3 of a season?
Oh wait, I realized you were joking. Caught me!
Not joking, they developed Duffy 2nd in NL Rookie of the year in Giants farm system, but he got hurt and was traded, Duvall was developed in Giants farm system, but the Reds are enjoying the results, Blach might be to soon to tell, but is in the rotation doing well .
Okay, I’ll give you Duffy, but regarding Duvall, it really doesn’t help if you develop a player, don’t recognize his potential, and trade him away for nothing. It’s like getting on base with the bases empty and then getting picked off (I assume if I’d gloated about Tomlinson’s leadoff walk last night you would have pointed that out). And Blach is way too early to tell.
Even Jay Bruce didn’t really net that much, a 2B/3B prospect with some slug in his swing, that was probably something like a B- prospect.
So what is a 34 year old Pence hitting 230 with 3 HR and a 20 million contract going to bring?
Nothing, I think he will not be traded, No trade clause, and a 10 and 5 man as well , he is happy living in bay area .
bupkis, my friend. But maybe next year he’s hitting before the deadline and a contender wants his bat. Wishful thinking I suppose. Same for Span. What an outfield quagmire!
That’s the point. So all we can do is hope he turns it around.
Yep with some of the contracts, they either eat em and let em go or they keep em and let them continue to play Hoping that they return for a period of more than 2 weeks to some level of prominence. I do not hold out much hope for Pence. That big club seems to be slowing his swing down and unable to control it. He should drop an ounce or 2 and see what happens. Belt, well you know my opinion on him. Now with a $17M contract over 4 years from a guy who has never shown consistency power or RBI productivity, that is a
wait for it…hehehehe A Laugher of a Contract. (use your best Krukow imaginary voice)
Span has had a very good month at the bat. As to his defense- minus 11 DRS? He’s on pace to break the record of Grok Scott, set 7,000 years ago.
One of your best short posts ever.
Thanks. (And very few typos too.) I know many here will disagree, but logical, unemotional, deductive thinking is my strong suit.
Some of the pitchers may be underperforming but the hitters are just plain bad. Pence is washed up. Span is close to being washed up. Panik may not be that good. Crawford appears to be on the wrong side of 30, and maybe Belt as well. Posey’s having a fantastic year but he can’t be counted on to hit .350 in future years. And Bochy simply doesn’t seem to be interested in developing young players other than Arroyo (and if you want to say ‘he doesn’t have anything to work with other than Arroyo’, then that means we’re screwed). This is the worst offensive team in baseball and there is no indication that it’s going to get better. Nunez and Cueto are rentals who won’t get much in return. Melancon may bring something but nothing that will turn things around. I just don’t see any choice but to trade an ‘untradeable’ for this team to have anything like the kind of offense they will need to compete. I’m not suggesting trading everything, but I don’t see any choice but to trade something significant.
You need to trade valuable assets. This means Bum, Posey, Cueto , Marge and Melancon if he agrees.
Everything else is clearing salary space.
I agree Span gets you nothing, but Belt could get you something small.
Personally, I would change the voice in the clubhouse first, see who responds to new leadership and dump the rest.
Bochy has been a HOF manager, but its clear to me the message has grown stale and a new sheet of music is needed.
“You need to trade valuable assets. This means Bum, Posey, Cueto , Marge and Melancon if he agrees.”
Put the Daffy Duck Squirt gun down, and move away from the car- nice and easy, now,
Yeah, they’re easy to replace with prospects.
Yeah right now the Giants do not have enough valuable assets to restock.
* Has anybody actually seen Tomlinson hit a ball more than 250 feet in the air?
*Raise your hand if you didn’t want Gorkys drawn and quartered
* Jimmy the Cat is so thoughtful- he brought me a maimed gopher for my special day. As we speak we are both batting it around on the couch
*You thought that my lists were a thing of the past? Think again. They can be downloaded to your Kindle or with my App you can see them all since the beginning of time
* Slater-might be a nice 4th OFer.
* Blanco- As always, I’m right about him
* I am not eating it unless you skin it, Jimmy
I’d read these lists even if they were printed in Politico or some other lefty rag.
Slater 4th OF, Gorkys 5th OFer, and Blanco hoisting the Series MVP trophy for the Snakes. Who knew?
Pollock has started his rehab assignment, but I’m sure Lovello will find ways to utilize your guy.
You gonna stop now?
If your ridiculousness ceases, you bet. Happy day, by the way.
Slater might be nice 4th OFer on some other team. On THIS team, he’s currently the #1 outfielder, and it’s not particularly close.
“On THIS team, he’s currently the #1 outfielder” I never said anything else.
. I never even insinuated that there was anybody “particularly close.” His future? I
And who will be the three outfielders ahead of Slater in this hypothetical Giants’ outfield of the future?
The most interesting possibilities: Shaw, Jones, Duggar, Reynolds, Quinn
The rapidly-becoming-less-interesting possibilities: Parker, Williamson
The likelihood: another free agent 30-something like Lorenzo Cain
I assume you mean post-Bochy, right? When the Messiah comes (as we Jews would say).
It’s just a sad, sad, sad state of affairs. The outfield, I mean, not Slater’s future.
As with anybody that they send out there, I hope that he will be the one-we both thought that Mac would be that guy.. Slater should be given every chance, and maybe Mac will get another shot later this year- in RF.
So do I. But not hitting 8th. He just isn’t a hitter who can hit in the #8 spot.
Some Sunday baseball reading. Catcher trips to the mound and trade scuttlebutt. If the Astros are in on Sonny Gray and the Yankees are in on Quintana, who does that leave for Johnny Cueto ?
With all the complaints about the LUs, we can put that to bed now- they all suck.
maybe, and Cueto can still get in a groove and make himself very appealing. He has, what, 6 or 7 starts to audition? Monitor the Sox. Monitor the Twins? The Orioles?
Cuetos’ body of work is enough. Any GM will take onto consideration the team he is on and his blister issues. They also know he has been successful at every stop.
Plus he’s Hispanic. All the teams other than the Giants value that highly.
He better get going on that.
actually Toronto or Baltimore too, the Yankees are good but they are young and can be beat. The A’s just played them tough. Tanaka has issue and I’m not a big believer in big Chubbs from Vallejo.
My dad introduced me to, and taught me sports. Mostly baseball.
He drove a cement mixer. He left for work every day before I was out of bed. He came home late in the afternoon, covered in sweat and concrete dust, but always grabbed his mitt to play catch before he went inside. He saved up and planned trips to Candlestick, which I never understood the effort that went into that as a naive kid. It was 162 miles from our door to the yard. He drove our ’65 Catalina, white with red interior.
He showed me the proper grip, the way to lean forward on my tiptoes at shortstop, the way to plant my front foot and thrust my hips on my swing…and so much more. He was unforgiving, and hard, and mean, and drove me hard, and expected a lot. He constantly told me that my brain was the most important tool. He begged me to use it so I didn’t end up driving a cement mixer.
He passed away after the Giants won in 2010. The most common theme that season was “God dammit, Pablo!” I’m thinking about him today. I had the luxury of saying good bye , and to thank him properly. The biggest reason baseball endures is because of fathers
Thanks for sharing this, Mathew. It’s a wonderful memory. It’s great that he got to see the 2010 season.
Sounds like Field of Dreams which makes me cry every time I see it.
Happy Fathers Day.
Happy fathers day both of you!
Me too re FOD. Every. Time.
Back at ya, Surf!!!
dammit that was nice
People have not discussed Belts issues. The guy hit over .300 in the first half of last year. After the All Star Break .241, this year .220. He has hit .232 for basically for a full season without showing any consistency adjustments or improvements. What happened to him repetitive concussions?
His BABIP luck has been lousy. He’s still hitting 24% line drives and 35% hard-hit balls. He’s striking out 24% of the time but that’s his career average and only 1% over last year.
Oh yeah, it’s bad luck. Nice parsing of stats.
Not entirely but mostly. I’m not parsing anything, I’m just looking at the stats most directly correlated with xBABIP. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, learn a little about baseball, it won’t kill you.
How do you prove it was hard hit, and grounders that do not go through the infield are not bad luck, BABIP is BS, Tomlinson is all about soft contact luck, since he has no power, so is just lucky .
Peter, c’mon, learn a little. It isn’t BS, there are formulas with a high degree of correlation between xBABIP and BABIP. Tomlinson hits a huge number of line drive, this is a big input to BABIP, and he also hits a lot of grounders and has a lot of speed, that’s another big input.
Let’s put it this way. You would acknowledge that the more grounders a batter hits, the fewer homers he gets, right? There’s obviously a statistical correlation. It’s the same with other stats and batting average.
Grounders are all luck, no player is trying to hit grounders, except speedsters maybe, so they are mistakes, Posey is very slow so if he hits grounders he is out and it might be a double play .
Players who hit more grounders tend in general to have higher batting averages than people who hit more fly balls, because infield grounders are sometimes hits while infield flies basically never are. As you point out, this advantage is very heavily dependent on speed or at least getting out of the batter’s box fast (Ichiro being the most famous example, but there’s also Nunez and Tomlinson on the Giants now). You can argue that you don’t care about batting average, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is a correlation. 2holes’ question was why Belt is doing worse this year and I assumed that was about batting average (since his average is way down but his homers are in fact up). That’s why I referred to BABIP, which is about batting average.
You like slappies, SLG% is what I go by, line drives in the gap, are over outfielders head, are over fence, extra base hits = runs , Giants 9 and 8 runs in this series, lots of singles yesterday = 1 run .
You’re so condescending. Enjoy your day.
2hole asked a question, I answered it.
Uh no…even though I played at a higher level than Im sure you can only dream of, I guess I need to learn a little bit about baseball. You know, being the novice I am about the game and all. Don’t insult when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
In other words, you don’t understand why Belt’s average is worse this year, you have no explanation for it, you don’t understand what I wrote, you have no arguments against it, but you can’t be bothered to think about things like this because they’re too complicated for you and you’re afraid to get into a discussion about this because your ignorance will be exposed.
Gotcha. Why didn’t you just say that?
He has used that “learn a little” crap on most of us…while you and I played college baseball, he was studying stats on his Strat-O-Matic board game. It’s clear his experience taught him more
Considering you have nothing to say about why Belt is doing worse this year, it does kind of look that way, doesn’t it?
Oh, so I’m supposed to dive into every theory and expose’ you throw on here? I was generally commenting on your condescending and confrontational style.
Regardless of his ” strike out percentage”, he has 2 issues I see:
The up and in fastball hole is growing slightly
The shift is continuing to erode his “luck”, and he has been unable to change his swing angle and stance to drive it the other way consistently.
AND “luck”…. because baseball is luck resulting from preparation, adjustments, approach.
That reminds of the old adage, “Chance favors the well-prepared.”
I think it was some Chinese guy that said that. I could be wrong. I wasn’t prepared for this opportunity.
I think it has been demonstrated by Team Oracle today in the AC. Beatdown is an expression that comes to mind.
How cares where you played, people have opinions and yours is not one I agree with, one of the biggest Bochy fan boys on this blog !
That’s funny…I don’t recall expressing my love for Bochy on this blog. You must be confused. Where did I say I played? I made a reference only to refute a comment about my lack of baseball knowledge – not to simply gratuitously spew my credentials. But to be on the other side your opinions does give me that warm and fuzzy feeling. By the way since you know me so well, just what are my opinions anyway? Just curious to know.
You apparently denied that Belt’s lower average this year is because of luck. You didn’t offer any alternative explanation. So apparently you are someone who likes to ridicule other people’s answers to a question even though you don’t know the answer yourself. Am I on the right track?
One thing you’re right about…I didn’t offer a rebuttal. It’s (Belt) not a subject I want to dive into. I did that a few years ago and after some contentious debate, I decided to stay away. I will continue to do so as this little toe dip into the water continues to show why.
Well that isn’t really very fair, is it? I assure you I’m open-minded about Belt’s value and ability.
Although I have to admit that that isn’t true of many people on this blog.
No it’s not really very fair. I bit and shouldnt have.
I do not care if you are Babe Ruth, are if you have been a coach like Clutchup forever, big deal , lots of dumb people in baseball too, your Bochy love, you defend him I recall a lot, I could be wrong , maybe got you mixed up with somebody else .
Yeah, you’re mixed up. Not me.
nope, just not a special player, never a core player for sure.
a good defensive guy with holes i his swing. they should have traded him before the contract extension, his worth will never be as high as after he “made” his lone ASG appearance.
God forbid there should be a redneck on Efrain’s team. Imagine what his friends would think.
whats a redneck
Well Efrain thinks he’s one. Why do you think all the hate?
you never answered the question
Oops, I thought you wrote ‘what a redneck’. A redneck is an insulting word for a white guy who talks like a southerner. Efrain is very open-minded and liberal, so he hates people like that. For example, he thinks Bumgarner must be a racist because he’s a white guy from North Carolina and talks like one. And he detests Belt.
honestly i dont think its a insulting word imo if you base it on what google says.
$17M a year for 4 years sure sounds like a Core player to me.
“Core player” in Giants fans minds means nothing. I doubt other teams think of him as highly, which is a reason we are stuck with him because the idiots in the FO decided to overpay, as they did much of this lousy collection. Instead of having the gonads to move on from players to get younger and better they decide to stick it out too long.
I haven’t heard what Lefty got Mr. Lefty for Father’s Day.I did hear that she might donate Giants tickets in his name to charity.They said that they would prefer the muffin bottoms, thank you very much.
We don’t get each other stuff for Mother’s Day or Father’s Day. Neither of us is much on Hallmark holidays–we prefer real ones, like birthdays or anniversaries–and he’s not my father and I’m not his mother.
It’s the same logic by which I don’t donate to UC Berkeley. As I explained to the young woman on the phone, UC Berkeley is my daughter’s alma mater. I have three alma maters of my own. They should call her.
They wanted the muffin bottoms, didn’t they?
Many of the people here seem to be in complete denial about the Giants’ player development problems. They haven’t developed an outfielder in like 30 years. They haven’t developed an established starting pitcher since Bumgarner (MLB debut in 2009). They haven’t developed an established reliever since Romo (MLB debut in 2008). And yet somehow there seems to be an expectation that player development can solve the Giants’ problems without resorting to trading ‘untradables’. Ironically (and mystifyingly), most of these same people also defend Bochy’s refusal to give young players a serious shot by saying that he has nothing to work with (that is, when it comes to insisting on not trading ‘untradables’, the Giants have great prospects, but when it comes to discussing Bochy, somehow these prospects become useless). Can’t have it both ways.
Happy Fathers Day to all the dads and mommies who play the daddy role as well!!
Happy Dads day Slik1!
Quick update on the River Cats’ game last night. It was 99 degrees at first pitch.
Andrew Suarez made his AAA debut. The good: He has nasty stuff (94-95 MPH on the FB; wipeout slider) and commands it well. It seemed like he was 1-2 or 0-2 on every hitter. He walked one and struck out 8, including the first four outs he got.
The bad: 10 hits and 5 runs in 5.2 innings. It wasn’t quite as bad as that; some of the earlier hits were bloops–there were two in a row that OFs got bad jumps on and couldn’t quite come up with–or bleeders. It really wasn’t until Suarez’s final inning, when he was up to 100 pitches–and did I mention it was hot out there?–that anything really got hit hard.
So I’m no pitching coach, and obviously you want a better line, but I’m guessing they were more happy than not with what they saw from Suarez. He seems pretty polished and poised. Tall, skinny kid–like Beede did, maybe he could stand to put on 20 pounds.
Chris Shaw looked good in LF. He made one running, diving catch down the line that was very impressive and threw a runner out at the plate.
Other than that, nothing very interesting. The only guys who had two hits were Calixte and Fed-Ex, and I’m not getting excited about either of them. Hwang, Mac, Shaw, and Jones didn’t do anything memorable with the bat. Mac had a bloop double but otherwise doesn’t look at all locked in at the plate. The ABQ starter had an ERA of over 6 (remember, they play at altitude), but the R’Cats still couldn’t do much with him.
I thought it was interesting that they had Jones at 3B and Hwang at 1B. My guess is that they’re giving serious consideration to Jones coming up at some point and want him ready to play 3B if Nunez is traded or keeps getting injured.
I’m not sure I understand the reasoning in the last paragraph. I assume they aren’t thinking of Jones as the long-term 3bman, that role being apparently reserved for Arroyo. So the assumption is that Jones is a better stopgap than Hwang?
Ryder Jones isn’t a stopgap player… He was drafted in the same year as Arroyo. Jones also plays 1B and OF so it’s not one or the other.
So then why would they have him play 3b (Lefty wrote ‘ My guess is that they…want him ready to play 3B’) if that position is designated for Arroyo?
Because Arroyo is out right now, and they need someone to play 3B in Sac?
There is not nearly enough tin hat in your response, Hoona.
That’s what seems like the obvious answer to me, but that isn’t what Lefty suggested.
We can all speculate but none of us know for sure what the plan is
None of us know for sure there is a plan.
what did she suggest? That Nunez might get traded or continue to be hurt so maybe Jones gets a call-up.
They like players to be able to play multiple positions. Nothing wrong with having options.
But they have about 15 people who can play 3rd.
No one is designated a position. It is the plan to have him at third but not a given. arroyo played multiple when he was up. Maybe he ends up at second. Maybe he never gets rid of his tendency to be behind in the count. The team has to have options. One of those is Jones as a utility guy. Third , outfield, first. Doesn’t hurt to see what he can do in SF.
Some in Giants management think Arroyo’s best position ultimately will be 2B. If Ryder Jones–or someone else–can step up to play 3B, we have additional assets to deploy. My heart says Panik-Crawford-Arroyo second to third. My brain says maybe not all those guys are long term Giants.
Agree entirely. As has been said it is speculation on our part. Jones could end up in right. Could be trade bait and is being showcased. He has power that Arroyo does not but it is left handed. And I don’t think Panik has seen his best days yet.
Who are the 15 who can hit with power and field the position well?
I meant now/soon. Arroyo is out with an injury, and I doubt they want to rush him back.
But you wrote ‘at some point’.
Dude, I wrote a blog comment. I’m not giving a deposition and I’m not under oath. If I want to clarify what I meant, I get to do that.
I’m not challenging anything you said. I don’t follow the minor league action and I was interested in hearing and understanding your interpretation.
because he was drafted as a third baseman maybe. They have been swapping Hwang and Jones from first to third all year.
why not trade Belt and put Hwang/Shaw/Jones/anyonebutbelt there?
Happy Father’s Day, y’all. Enjoy your special day!
Anybody want to join me on a ban on “ownage is ownage” ?
Ownage is definitely ownage until it isn’t.
It’s just a dumb concept on a sample size as small as they usually is. 😉
I am referring to the specific phrase. Which is dumb, whatever the sample size.
ownage is so Stone Age.
Don’t you mean Stoneage?
We might need the local linguist to tell us that? Iron Age, Bronze Age, … implies two words to me.
Alliterate, my friend, alliterate.
That may be too close to illiterate.
In that vein, I can be much too literal for my own good. Cheers, see you during the game, I’m off to find some tasty calories before the game starts up.
I love “ownage is ownage”. It’s ours–K&K copyrighted.
It’s not a hanger
According to Baggs tweets, the team today is
Belt (struggling) moved down. Pence (struggling) off. Span CF, Panik 2B,
Craw SS, Posey C, Belt 1B, Slater LF, Hill 3B, Gorkys RF, Blach P
and Jarrett Parker starts a rehab in Sacramento tomorrow.
About time Belt moved down. I would even go a step further and bat him 8th
Gorkys did a nice job as #8 yesterday, letting Cain make a couple of 3rd outs. Maybe Slater protects him a bit? The sore spot with me is seeing Hill at 3B when the organization has so many people who can play there.
He’ll be gone by July, I think. We know the value the organization puts on veteran presence and attitude, but there are too many guys knocking on the infield door.
And Kelby is right there on the bench, although deservingly doghoused because of yesterday’s pickoff. I have been thinking this weekend that Hill’s string may well run out as soon as Nunez’ ankle is ready to go again.
Question is what happens if/when Gillaspie is ready to come back?
He might get moved…wouldn’t bring much. I like his left handed pop, but we have a glut of “guys”
I think we went WRONG by finally giving up on Ishikawa
All of those guys have more hits in them than Belt right now. I agree with you on Hill but he’s clearly a stopgap guy until Jones/Arroyo are ready
Ha, are we a line up starved crowd, or what?
We’re gluttons for punishment like old people at a line of Reno slots.
Yes. Even after all these years, even in the midst of this down year, if there’s a game scheduled today, I’m always channeling my inner J Street: “are the lineups out yet?”
We need more LU posts this morning. The minimum is 5.
If and only if we get another list!
You haven’t shared the porch cat LU yet.
The cats are onto their daytime ritual now-hunkering down in the weeds for hours,waiting for prey. Sort of like us waiting for July 31. When we might get a AAAA hitter.
Happy Father’s Day to you all, especially you fathers out there. It’s hard work to “get your kids going.”
No Arm Deviled eggs – leadoff
St John’s Bread with olive oil for dipping – two hole
Pleasanton Chili “Davis” third
Hall of Flame BBQ burgers clean up
Loosen the Belt BBQ hot dogs dropped to 5
Austin City Limits southern style potato salad sixths course
Ageless hills of Ruffles and bean dip for stomach agitation for no reason 7th
Pounding the horsehide pound cake eight, topped with
Does My Butt Look Big Sliced peaches and strawberries w/whip cream
Then there was Carlos Beltran : Rentage is rentage
happy father’s day to the dads, and happy birthday to me. if your dad is still around, give him a kiss, and tell him how much you love him, even if you don’t feel like it. i just got back from the cemetery, and i’m sure i’m not the only one that would love one more chance to do just that.
here’s one of my faves from the boss……………https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcYNIAytXHg&index=53&list=LLNVarrLgL2_keBqlPNts7Eg
Since I’d have to travel 1,500 miles to the cemetery, great memories of my dad will have to suffice! :(:) HFD to one and all! 🙂
VR training enters the world of World Cup soccer.
I remain very happy that Kaepernick remains unemployed.
OK-you know the scene in “The Marathon Man” where Dustin Hoffman gets the dental surgery? Well. I’ll take that over listening to Fallon Smith for even 1 minute. I was a little late on the Fast Forward this morning and I got 1.5 seconds of her. I need a drink.
Despite dropping three in a row to the Rockies, the Giants have been unable to gain even a game in the standings. Those Phillies are tough.
I would have chosen any headline than that one:
“They’re Losing a Ton”
” Wait Until Next Year”
“We’re Not Very Good Right Now”
Pretend Kontos was engaged to one of the Junior Lefty’s and they/she had to deal with him after he read the headline.
They currently have the second worst record in baseball, which is due to regularly losing, so the headline is accurate. I am aware, however, you’re not a big fan of accuracy.
You’ve never been a real fan. You admitted you only root for Crawford. You gave up on any/all 53 man 49er roster because they are owned by somebody who mirrors EXACTLY the flaws of his uncle when his uncle was given the team by Jed’s grandfather.
So people here are not really worried about what you think. Presumably you don’t try any less to be a good COP if you disagree with the leadership of your department and yet you flail around with infantile responses when it comes to Giants/Niners. One of your greatest accomplishments was to be one of the first ones to hear Tomsula’s press-conference fart. Now that’s real mature.
Thank god people like JR Gamez get hired to be chief vs those you surround yourself with.
They definitely lost yesterday, and it was a post game wrap. 😜
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Someone ask Kuiper “Who’s Chadwick?”
Good read, Spanner
Another “old man Span” play. Kruk with a weak defense, which he knows no one is buying.
Cost a run…2017. Yay
No, Krukow, in this instance, Crawford expected a hit in which case he rounds and heads to 3rd…that late of a slide breaks ankles.
I could just hear Willie Mays coming into the clubhouse as a player and seeing these uniforms.. his squeaky voice would fill the room ” What the hell are these?!?! You must be crazy! I ain’t wearin’ this ugly thing!”
Amen, Mateo. Baby blue puke.
Hernandez BA now closing in on Belt. .220 to .224
When was the last time a Giants pitcher started a game at Coors with 3 shutout innings?
Enjoy the rest of season without me, I’m done. Paying attention to these guys doesn’t improve my life. I will crunch numbers soon.