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Greek Giant
I spent my Sunday evening at Surf Maui’s helping him organize and curate his baseball memorabilia collection and it got me thinking: Why don’t the Giants have a museum dedicated to their storied history? After visiting the marvelous Yankees Museum at Yankee Stadium and the Atlanta Braves Museum at Turner Field (which will be moving to their new stadium next season) it dawned on me that a museum dedicated to the Giants is a must for all baseball fans. Heck, even the Tampa Bay Rays have a museum dedicated to Ted Williams and the proud history of baseball in the Tampa Bay area. Each of these is a treat for baseball fans and a must-see!
I was very surprised visiting Willie Mays Field for the first time in 2013 and discovering there was no real collection of Giants history that one could call a museum. To me, the Giants are one of the truly storied and historical franchises in not only baseball but all of sports. Between Mays and McGraw, Ott and Barry, there are few franchises that can claim so many historically brilliant players and moments. It strikes me as a major oversight that the Giants brass did not think to integrate a dedicated part of our beautiful park for this purpose.
Let’s assume that all the space at Willie Mays Field is taken. The museum could be built in an adjacent structure or annexed as part of the huge Giants Dugout store. There is enough real estate to make it happen, especially considering the fact that the Giants ownership has become a major real estate holder in the city.
The Giants Museum would offer fans from all walks of life and locations to learn about the epic exploits of our heroes and would offer up displays of jerseys, bats, baseballs, classic videos, stories and more. It would be epic. It would be a success and it wold add yet another exciting dimension to visiting the most gorgeous park in the most beautiful city in the Major Leagues.
One of my favorite experiences of going to Giants games at Willie Mays Field is chatting up the fans around me and making new friends. Invariably I encounter baseball fans taking tours of the parks around the Major Leagues or even tourists just curious to catch a ballgame. Last year I met a mom from Quebec (my home province in Canada) who did a road trip with her son of ballparks across the USA. They come from everywhere these fans and a new Giants Museum would be a fitting gift to all who attend the games as much as it would be a fitting tribute to the glorious histories of the San Francisco and New York Giants.
Perhaps a petition to Sir Laurence M. Baer is in order.
P.S. Surf Maui has a veritable Giants Memorabilia Museum in his house and I highly recommend a visit if you are in South Florida.
Breckeroni wants to know: When will the neon sign behind the statue say: Willie Mays Field?
Ever since the park opened, we always go tap Willie’s bat on the statue twice each before we go inside. We’ve become so superstitious about it that if we’re running late (or enter through a different gate), and the Giants lose, we blame ourselves. 🙂
If/when I ever get back there, I’ll tap the bat too. It has to work!
Twice. That’s important!
it will not because the Team makes millions of dollars from its corporate sponsor.
Should be noted that once this deal is done, the next one is sure to bring in a ton more money.
Therefore we can call it WMF on the blog to make us feel better.
Never, and there’s no reason it should.
Barry built Pac Bell Park and thus nobody is sure if your question will ever happen. I talked with Barry and he wants it to happen. But meanwhile I am striking out getting Jack and Will Clarks Number 22 retired because the Giants only do it for Hall of Fame Giants.
Willie is on heading on his way to 90 yrs old. They better do it soon. He will be 86 – in May 2017
Will the corporate naming-rights contract be up in 2020? Wasn’t it signed in 1995-96 for 24 years? It will be interesting to see what happens then.
Welcome to Facebook Field!
Well, that would be horrible.
Uber Field? Twitter Park? Google Yard?
It is simple: Willie Mays Field at A.T. and T. Park
The number 24 is at least a good omen
That’s a great idea. They do have a cool set of display cases in the club level (200s) in the park, but you have to have a club level ticket to go in there (I think), and it’s not really a systematic collection of Giants history.
I LOVED the Baseball Hall of Fame, and I like museums in general, and I agree–one at/adjacent to the park and dedicated to the long and storied history of this franchise would be amazing.
The Hall of Fame is amazing and Cooperstown is a must pilgrimage for all baseball fans.
Totally agree. We went three years ago in conjunction with that New York trip where the Giants played the Mets and Yankees back to back, and I feel happy every time I think about going to the HOF or look at my photos. Plus the town is fun and charming and the area is beautiful. We flew to Albany and rented a car and made the 90-minute drive to Cooperstown. We stayed in a beautiful inn right on the lake overnight. Oh, it was great.
They always have a display for the most current World Series champions, and since it was September 2013 when we went, that was the 2012 Giants. Fantastic display.
You have to have a Club Level Ticket or a ticket to one of the suites to see that display…which in the words of Mike Krukow “Is Awe-some!”.
It would be nice if they did a museum and asked for a donation…instead of the admission cost that the dooshy 49ers are doing. At a minimum, the Dorks should be allowing Santa Clara residents in for free!
I have toured through a small museum which is part of the “Big Egg”, the name of the domed stadium of the Tokyo Giants. This is open year round, and I seem to remember a small admission fee, but it is accessible to fans even when there is no ball game scheduled. There was a small display case for every team, perhaps in lieu of a Hall of Fame equivalent in Japan, and gobs about the other Giants. It was fun, and would be a great idea at Willie Mays Field too.
Even the 49ers have a museum at Levi’s Stadium that can be toured (for a $$).
I agree Greek. When visiting my bro and his family in Leavenworth, KS back in ’13, he took us all out to Kaufman Stadium and what a beautiful stadium it is and a great place to see a game. What impressed me most, located on the first level with its own separate entrance not connected to the stadium so that you could visit it for its own sake, is the Baseball/Royals museum. I was immediately envious and wished AT&T had a museum too. I have since found out that the Club level of AT&T contains an elaborate collection of items and artifacts on display. However, those seats are a little too pricey for a grocery clerk to swing so all that heritage is on view only for those in the more rarefied categories of financial liberty–which of course is the basic dichotomy of San Francisco realities.
The GG is indefatigable with morning refresh posts. As commenters are busy weaving the thread and unraveling the mystery of the Giant Fan in Italy, the next post is inexorably needled through the fabric.
Man, don’t even think to joke with one of the 12 families that founded The Most Serene Republic more than 13 centuries ago. It’d be better to let mistery remain mystery. Here games of thrones have always been real not fiction.
No one would ever dare to joke with you. You’re just too imposing and intimidating. Have you thought about which name you’re going to use next?
“…imposing,” says someone who calls himself The Oracle. 🙂
It was a joke at first, but I turn out to be right so often that I think there might actually be something to it.
Well, of course!
Chief Eddie Garcia knows if you’ve been naughty or nice…
http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/13/san-jose-man-fires-gunshots-at-officers-manhunt-underway/
I know. But the mystery is that there is a version of you that does not like me, and another that is more amiable. Janus, perhaps?
Change is the essence of the multiverse. The wise man learns from his mistakes. Your reaction to the POTUS Election showed you to my eyes under a quite different light. I realized that maybe we both have something in common.
Awwwwww….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWtUVDG5M1w
But are you the Italian Giants fan that is distinctly Venetian,
or the other whose ancestors were pirates in the Bosporus area and whose wife is an excellent gardener?
My ancestors, the Contarinis, gave 8 doges to Venice, and fought fiercely against every pirate scoundrel of the Mediterranean Sea, our worst enemies. My wife never worked in a garden and laughed when I told her what you wrote. See you Scout, stay safe and beware of The Donald, our common nemesis.
My best wishes
Alvise.
Dr. Lefty gives you an A+ for your vocab in this post.
In a not so subtle statement, I wonder if GG can be persuaded to delay New Posts until after the morning rush hour traffic on the blog.
Food for thought.
Well, it’s three hours later in Florida than here, so “morning” is relative(!).
East Coast bias.
Ha!
Who if needed do you “obtain” to critique your various writings? Have always wondered?
If I’m working with a publisher or a journal, they’ll have reviewers and copy editors. Sometimes I’ll ask a colleague to read a manuscript and give me feedback before I send it out. I’ve even occasionally had a very sharp grad student read a paper.
I’m a pretty major critic of my own work, too. I’ll write something, leave it sitting for awhile, revise it, and do that again several more times before I let ANYONE see it.
One of the great vocabulary enhancing novels of all time is Joseph Heller’s Catch-22.
Joyce’s Ulysses does the trick too, although more dolorously.
I read that book in a 20th century American lit class in college. Loved it.
Yes. What an incredible mystery. No one has any idea what the answer is.
I know, but I’m not telling.
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Uh-oh. I hope Hesto’s just talking about normal workouts and not surgery. 🙁
https://twitter.com/Hesto23/status/798579661336739840
That’s just his strengthening band – resistance training!
A Giants museum would be awesome. Perhaps they can get rid of the Gotham Club and put it there or somewhere on the main concourse.
Where’s Matthew? I hope the political correctness police didn’t get him.
If we (I) did, that’s hilarious. He won, and he’s the one sulking because we didn’t all rally around the flag and sing “God Bless America” five minutes after the election when he ordered us to. And they say we liberals are “whining”!
I’ve stayed away for two main reasons.
One- I’m busy
Two – Out of respect for everyone’s sensitivity.
For one to assume it’s hilarious because I’m sulking means you don’t understand the efforts to calm the waters through respectful absence. Is silence “whining”?
Bravo. POTD
I said “if” that’s why. You say it’s not, so case closed. I take your word for it.
It is…I’m the George Washington of the blog, and there’s no need for any cherry tree massacre
He rented a room on his tab so all those piling on can hoist an Ensure while taking an afternoon nap.
To Answer your question GG: I think all those below brought up great points about Club Level View, and even in the Gotham Club. Apparently Baer has a plan down the rode when various properties may become available.
In the meantime, like others said enjoy the array of what there is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3_nXI0zT-4
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This is more formal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ1fZd9svEk
Look for Bobby Evans to try to push this puppy past the initial stage at the Winter Meetings in a few weeks.
Boom, trying to get it done with the chips he has. He knows the Giants have a need for a pure hitter in the middle of the lineup.
https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/798546370013622272
Good Grief. This tweet made a speedy reappearance. I thought we already discussed this!
…. Charlie Brown.
Giving up your top minor leaguers for one season of Martinez would be dumb. Making the same move when you have in-house options that might be able to get the job done would be even dumber.
But you don’t want Roberto Evans to continue to Lollygag. Signing Martinez isn’t dumb if he re-signs. Maybe behind the scenes they actually know more about running a club than you think.
I agree. I get Scout’s point that 2017 is a key year, especially with Cueto being able to opt out and Posey and the Brandons getting older (not to mention Span and Pence). It’s a year to go for it if you can. Having another nice bat for the middle of the order would be a huge move.
But with Cueto possibly gone after next year, trading Beede would be very risky for the following years. And it certainly is possible that the Giants’ younger, cheaper outfield options could be just as good if not better. I notice that even with an OPS over .900 in 2016, Martinez was not even a 2-win player, which I assume means he’s brutal in the outfield and as a baserunner.
Yep. I just looked up Martinez. Per Fangraphs, he was the second-worst outfielder in the majors in Defensive Runs Saved (-22!) and in UZR/150. He was worse than Matt Kemp! MATT KEMP.
I would take “a” Trumbo or “a” Martinez and use a Def/replacement by the 8th and on occasion in the 7th
I would, too. But not for Beede, please.
I was a bigger fan of JD when he was an Astro….
Not Beede but I would for Ray Black – Blackburn and Nunez.
Roll the dice with Arroyo and let him and Conor play third next year.
There is something NON National League about Nunez …
I’d also be OK with trading Arroyo if they can get Nunez to agree to an extension. I like Nunez.
who are these in house options?
Are you saying Mac and Parker can absolutely even match the production of Martinez, even on his down years?
Are you sure you want to go with that? Exactly the thinking that got the Giants in trouble this year with one of the weakest benches in the league and at times a very poor OF both offensively and defensively.
One of Greek Giants favorite words: Lollygagging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnIaqAsnSxU
Often wonder if Bochy ever pulls that one out during a slump.
Hearing the word lollygagging in “Bochy voice” – I would donate to a cause to listen …
So who’s going to win the NL Cy? I say Scherzer. Brian Kenny says Lester. Scout says Hendricks.
My pick is based on stats. Other than ERA, Scherzer’s pretty much at the top of all the lists.
Lester
MOY will be “Tito”
Scout’s right.
I’ll pick based on stats too and choose Ty Blach. Off the charts ERA and WHIP. 1.000 win percentage…and not to be forgotten, in one game did what the rest of the pitchers took all season to do – virtually pitch his team single handedly into the playoffs.
Welll…Scherzer led the league in innings, wins, and strikeouts. I don’t think Blach can quite measure up to that. But I like your thinking. 🙂
And how ’bout those Trojans?!
Scherzer also led the league in WHIP and was second (to Arrieta) in batting average against. He was eighth in ERA, the only “blemish” on his year.
Clay Helton is a good guy. Showed lots of genuine emotion on the sidelines.
Lynn Swann is doing a good job. Serra class of 1970. “Once a Padre, Always a Padre”
http://www.serrahs.com/cf_news/view.cfm?newsid=1205 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13a1e4ddbcc134003ccaf1565725adbc89bc7dd0100e5286ac2cefbf1b460c8d.png
Helton was hired by Pat Haden. Fox re-broadcast the Washington game last night, and we re-watched the fourth quarter, including a postgame interview with Helton. He strikes me as a calm, positive guy. Just what the the kids needed after Partyboy Sark and Sourpuss Kiffin. Maybe Haden got one thing right on his way out the door.
Maybe OJ gets an early out, and USC can come home to an ex-hero. That has to be one of the most historically corrupt programs in college football, second only to maybe Alabama or Texas.
How about them?! Maybe turn this season from an ‘if only'(if only they did ‘what’ with ‘you know who’ a few weeks earlier) to next years’ “could be”.
We were at the Stanford game in September, the last one Max Browne started. That is definitely an “if only” memory, considering the opposite directions those two teams have gone since.
Cueto.
if not a Giant, then it could be Minny Mouse for all I care.
If I had to pick one I’d say Scherzer, more for body of work.
Minnie Mouse had finesse though
Arizona Fall League Experiments with Mud-less Baseball
http://www.closecallsports.com/2016/11/arizona-fall-league-experiments-with.html
Former AL Umpire Mark Johnson Passes Away
http://www.closecallsports.com/2016/11/former-american-league-umpire-mark.html
On media narratives…was just reading a USC-focused article gushing all over Coach Clay Helton and his steady hand in turning the Trojans’ season around, starting with replacing Max Browne with Sam Darnold at QB after Game 3.
Linked within today’s article is one from September, right after the QB switch was announced. USC was 1-3 at that point. It’s all about how Browne got screwed over after years of loyalty and what a terrible coach Helton is and how Browne was the scapegoat for bad coaching.
Don’t get me wrong–as a loyal Trojan I’m delighted with the turnaround and especially with Sam Darnold, but what a difference (less than) two months makes…Helton’s gone from a bum, a dead man walking, to a hero.
That has Lynn Swann written all over it …
Helton absolutely deserves credit, as does the whole coaching staff. Their defense under Sark’s guy, Justin Wilcox, was a nightmare the last two seasons. After the Alabama trainwreck, the defense has actually been very good. They held Washington to 17 yards rushing, and they’d been averaging over 200 yards a game. Washington also had never scored under 30 points this season, and they barely got 13–the only touchdown was because Adoree’ Jackson slipped and fell and missed a coverage (which he made up for with two other INTs).
I wasn’t saying it was not Coach Helton’s place to take the credit due him as well as his players and I knew he was Haden’s hire, I was just adding that Lynn was/is a born leader and thus when the cries for Helton’s hide happened – I believe Lynn was the right person to stabilize things. Lynn’s brother Calvin had more ability than Lynn but Lynn had intangibles. His mom Millie and father Willie were no-nonsense parents from San Mateo and then Foster City. Lynn never knew what losing was at Serra-USC or the Steelers because all three levels had winning teams, But what Lynn did do was take note of why he and his teammates were winners and why other teams “lost”.
That’s a good point. I’m sure Lynn standing behind Helton early in the season helped everyone involved.
The one thing I dont quite understand is how/why is it that the Wisconsin defense has been so dominant this year – maybe even better than previous seasons with Aranda as DC? They don’t come close to matching USC’s talent and athleticism. Which naturally raises the related question of why, therefore, was USC’s defense a “nightmare” the last 2 seasons?
I know. Maybe just not a good fit. Maybe Wilcox is more focused on his job without his drinking buddy Sark around. I don’t get it, either.
I might’ve mentioned that during the first week of September, Mrs. KIR and I drove our trailer through Eugene, OR…when the Ducks were playing UC Davis in their first game this season. Only 2 wins since that day (and 7 losses), so I can see why the people I talked to were hoping Chip would quit the 49ers.
I bring this up because USC and Oregon…2 teams going in different directions.
‘SC played Oregon (in LA) the week before Washington. Stomped ’em. It really amazing how fast and how far that program has fallen off.
So…I finally painted my shelving unit for my home office and pulled out my heisman winners mini-helmet collection. I actually have 48 total…and USC is represented with Charles White, Marcus Allen, Matt Leinart, and Reggie Bush (before he gave it up). I could swear I have Mike Garrett somewhere, but still opening up boxes. No OJ and no Carson Palmer, but hope to get Carson (who has a terrible autograph) some day.
I was hearing an ESPN college football podcast last night and the host was gushing over the kid Darnold saying SC has a star in the making.
I usually am knowledgeable with the SC team, but this season due to work, giants, life i’m not up on my Pac 12 knowledge as I usually am.
One thing I can say, is QB’s get changed all the time, its a merry go around. If this kid is the real deal, move on. Nothing should ever be promised or expected. Kid not happy? Change schools.
Look at Baker Mayfield, he is one of the best QB’s in all college football, a Texas Tech transfer.
For Alvice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkWhkKVvqHU
Volare, oh oh
E contare, oh oh oh oh
Nel blu, dipinto di blu
Felice di stare lassu
E volavo, volavo felice piu in alto del sole ed ancora piu su
Mentre il mondo pian piano spariva lontano laggiu
Una musica dolce suonava soltanto per me
Volare, oh oh
E cantare, oh oh oh oh
No wonder my happy heart sings
Your love has given me wings
Nel blu, dipinto di blu
Felice di stare lassu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Y1wDdMYH4
Nel blu depinto di blu!
We used to sing it arm in arm walking to Mission Hill School. Had no idea what it meant, but we loved the sound.
That’s right Lon – Most likely you did that with “Amore” also but at least it was in English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S-7Ap6J_FU
I have the Louie Prima copy.
In the blue painted blue?
LMAO
Sal Valentinetti the New Jersey Pizza guy might have a future. Did a Darin and Sinatra tune to the TEE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B91QWYcXEkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfNil0ByvY
The Phils have bought out Matt Harrison’s contact for $15.2 million. He came over in the Cole Hamels trade in 2015 and never threw a pitch for Philly due to injuries. They paid him $28.4 mil in all to never play for them. Decided they needed the 40-man spot.
https://twitter.com/mlbdailydish/status/798626643724079104
parents teach you LH kids to throw a ball, no matter how many phds they get, will never make this much.
I tried so hard with little Anti. Unfortunately for me he was obligate right handed.
I’m crushed, when we’re you going to tell me – his uncle. No popcorn for big Anti
Right?! Lefties don’t even really have to be GOOD and they can pitch into their 40s.
DBake and Son Darren
https://twitter.com/CSNAuthentic/status/797217904580136960
Allen Hirsch would have been SO busy enjoying last night. I bet he had a GREAT view from his vantage point.
http://www.space.com/34720-supermoon-november-2016-photos.html
The kid Evans signed off the Heap has a tad of Addison Russel in him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYbKLo4h_VY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufix4GFMMJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxB6OnzdwAo
The Minni Vikings could no longer stand behind the K Blair Miss Project
Is Brownie watching? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-3939654/England-Ben-Stokes-admits-t-eat-bat-rounder-looks-ahead-second-Test-India.html
Krukow interview on Giants OF
http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/mike-krukow-giants-cant-count-mac-williamson-or-jarrett-parker?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
What did he say about baseball Marty – JD?
Not sure what you’re asking, but I only saw what was provided via the link.
No problem. We’ll leave it at that. Enough has been mentioned about a certain outfielder that is very hitterish.
MLB Network @MLBNetwork 1m1 minute ago
Terry Francona is the @officialBBWAA AL Manager of the Year!
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Dave Roberts is the 2016 @officialBBWAA NL Manager of the Year!
LeBron just made Posse the P word = to the N word.
Maybe Phil pronounced it wrong?
Maybe Trump meant posse?
Bobby Evans keeps saying things that make it seem like he isn’t the biggest Bochy fan around. In Pavlovic’s recent story about the outfield, and referring to Duvall, he mentioned the need to give young players a chance, which definitely isn’t Bochy’s style.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/adam-duvall-might-have-paved-way-young-giants-outfielders
Finally. FINALLY someone (Evans and Alex) said it about Duvall and about how Mac/Parker disappeared after midseason.
LOL, Bochy didn’t trade Duvall, now did he. Evans is covering his backside.
Bochy didn’t really give Duvall a chance, either. Bochy also didn’t utilize Will Smith very well, who Evans paid a relatively high price for, and sat Nunez for most of the first week after Evans traded for him. I think there’s some tension there.
In my opinion, neither Smith nor Nunez were utilized as they should have been after the trades.
But Bochy didn’t trade him. BTW, your read of the article and interpretation is mostly your personal interpretation.
I wasn’t claiming that it was anyone else’s interpreatation.
No, you were just mute on the subject, knowing what was said was open to multiple interpretations.
Ok. So you’re not confused in the future, when I say something, I’m the one saying it.
Gibberish does not sound convincing. Make the argument, pros and cons, like you really understand its strengths and weaknesses. Contribute to the understanding, as opposed to hiding by omission that there might be two or more sides. That way, everyone learns something.
My interpretation: Bobby Evans is signaling that the Giants are not going to go out and get another Veteran outfielder who is questionable on defense and due to age, will break down physically, and block the kids from playing. We’ve been down that road twice? At least twice.
Wasn’t there some family connection between Bochy and Mike Leake? Like he played Little League with Brett or something? It’s possible Bochy pushed hard for Leake; and I agree with TO that Duvall was never given any real shot with the Giants. They had needs in the OF that year–they were playing guys like Justin Maxwell and Ryan Lollis at points due to all the injuries. Like Alex says in the article, the Giants didn’t have the imagination to think of Duvall as a possible bat for the outfield (even though they had him play some LF in Sacramento). He never even got a call-up in 2015 before he was traded.
You guys/ladies are really pushing any credible semblance of a logical argument based on a premise based on a guy who had 1-1.5 months of very good baseball. I don’t know i the kid digs out of his multi-month funk, but for most of the season he was Nate Schierholtz.
Which year was it that Schieholtz hit 30 HRs and drove in 100, and was being considered for,the Gold Glove? I forget.
And he was traded. For goodness sake Duvall was a .240 hitter, and played in Cincinnati’s matchbox. The young man has talent, maybe, if he can get it back.
…and made the All-Star team and was in the Home Run Derby?
Oh please.
…and made the Hall of Fame while still a player?
It’s Bobby Evans who’s implying that they made a mistake and need to learn from it. He didn’t blame Bochy, but it’s clear he thinks they missed on Duvall and need to make sure they don’t miss on Williamson and Parker.
He doesn’t want to miss on anyone. As I’ve said, the jury on Duvall is still out. Go look at his splits and ask yourself how you would react if you had only seen his 2nd half numbers. I think he hit 7-8 HR and batted 240ish.
Hey CC,
why were you asking about Glaesman yesterday?
was it something you saw in AAA metrics that piqued your interest?
should AAA metrics be trusted?
I read a paragraph or two in FG touting him as a diamond in the rough, sort of, among FA, AAA talent.
there ya go . As I said, he caught me eye when I saw him in Visalia.
No, but back to Mac/Parker, he nailed them to the bench while Span put up a 1-for-30 in the stretch drive and Pagan played mediocre (at best) defense. Has to change.
Do you really think sitting two guys on contracts that size were going to sit. I haven’t looked the numbers, but I suspect it’s at worst a wash. But to what you infer, I wonder as a completely separate issue, how that/those decisions is/are made.
Bochy writes out a lineup every game.
You’re not that simple minded.
Do you really think someone tells Bochy who to play?
I don’t know. But many times, during Sabean’s tenure, discussions were mentioned between the higher ups and Bochy about personnel decisions. I expect those same discussions take place today with Evans. So do a think a GM has input on LU decisions, you bet.
Yes. The bat he kissed during the 2014 World Series. They got a thing….going on.
The office politics could get very interesting if the team has problems next season.
Bochy so bad. Bochy so bad.
Huge FA signing…I just saw an ad with Captain Obvious in a pilgrim outfit selling Stauffer’s Stove Top stuffing.
Cat lovers,
Let your flag fly!
http://i.imgur.com/jN3PqwK.jpg
It reminds me of an old punchline. “Parboiled.”
Alex also did a Q & A on Facebook today. Some interesting points:
Re fifth starter: “I’ve gotten the impression that it’s Blach’s job to lose. He opened a lot of eyes in September.”
Re outfielder: He thinks the Tigers will ask for a lot for Martinez in November, more than the Giants will want to pay, having given up a lot of prospects in July. He also says “there’s a lot of support for Williamson and Parker.”
Re Angel Pagan: “I’d be stunned if he were back” and “The Giants are ready to move on” (he brought up Pagan sitting out the last two games of the playoffs).
Re bullpen: He thinks Law could be a closer but believes the Giants will bring in a proven closer. He mentioned David Robertson and Wade Davis in addition to the big free agents.
It’s not rocket science re: Pagan’s future with the Giants, and whoever asked that dumb question must be blinded by the luxurious mane on that man’s head.
I’d have to disagree with Pavlovic and think that due to the contract, Cain would be slotted as the 5th starter going into spring training. From there, it’d be a battle to see who performs better between the two or maybe there’s a dark horse (Henson?) who comes up on top when the season starts.
Thanks Lefty.
Mike Krukow: Giants can’t count on Mac Williamson or Jarrett Parker , more info at: http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/mike-krukow-giants-cant-count-mac-williamson-or-jarrett-parker. By https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nbcsports.mobile.rsnlocalsports
Pretty different from what Bobby Evans is saying. I’m not sure what Krukow was getting at with “they get hurt.” Parker never got hurt. Williamson got hurt diving for a fly ball and missed about three weeks in August. He wouldn’t have been playing for the Giants anyway because by then, Pence was back.
I would speculate that everything Evans says can also be construed as a message to free agents, their agents, and potential trade partners. Regardless how they feel about who they have under contract, it would not be advantageous to tell the world that they have to find a left fielder or their true feelings are.
Evans should just hype the heck out of Mac – say he’s even better than Duvall and see what happens.
Hasn’t he said he’s better than Duvall?
Duvall is an unsliced loaf of bread.
My turn: What on Earth are you talking about?
Who said anything about earth?
Working on mysteries without any clues.
Agreed–there are different layers of truth!
Well, from reading what Kruk said, it sounds like he wants a 20 HR hitter now, and have either Mac or Parker coming off the bench yet again. It also seems to me that Kruk might be getting impatient with them. Can’t tell how well Mac or Parker will do consistently if they keep riding the pine.
If either of those guys played full time, they’d hit 20 home runs. The big question would be what they would do with the other ABs.
Not hit home runs.
Regarding line ups being handed down from the GM is commonplace. I think Boch is one of very managers that still writes his own card. Now, if Phil Nevin is being groomed to step in for Boch after he retires, then the line up will be influenced from the GM. Bochy is his own man, another unique quality about the Giants. For now.
I’ve been gone for a couple of weeks, so not sure if this has been discussed, but don’t expect the Giants to sign Chapman, considering all his baggage and traveling entourage.
Where’s Lefty?
Is there some mystery with Alvise Contarini? Do you know something? Does research into the historical figure reveal anything? Have we been played? Did you use linguistical deduction to solve a puzzle? Is there no puzzle to solve?
I guess it would be cool if there was a mystery with clues to follow. I’d say Bravo.
What on Earth are you talking about?
You’re asking Footy? As usual, he has no idea what he’s talking about. One of several things we have in common!
I’m in the mood for a mystery since there is no baseball and I need an escape from the reality of white nationalism.
The V Phantom’s prophecy: The Big Boss will be impeached before the 4 years expire.
I’m so tired of this crap. Tuesday a long time coworker says to me “you must be happy about the election results.” Dumfounded I ask her why she would say that as I can’t stand Trump and despise the times we are in when so called reality TV stars are important, wealthy, and powerful people. Especially a pompous doofus such as Trump. She said I just look like someone who would support Trump. Because I’m a middle aged white guy and didn’t seem to have the same meltdown lots of other people had last week when the doo-doo hit the fan. Nice, pretty much ruined my day though I got a real good workout in at the gym stewing over the comment.
That is terrible. Racism can certainly cut both ways. Every day is a reminder about what we are up against and what we forget has been boiling under the surface for so long. My work has been my workout lately, but I needed something extra yesterday and have just felt frustrated and sometimes want a punching bag, preferably an effigy of Trump and his white nationalist buddy. I just want to tell people that I know have potential to be targets that I’ve got your back.
Well PerSpeier, I’ve got your back too.
Prejudice has always existed but now people are not subtle about it. We (this includes me) deduce what people think and how they act on so very little information. The way you look, your occupation, associations you belong to or were you work, any one of these can be used to make judgments about people. It’s not much different then women clutching their handbags when I black man enters an elevator.
I was lucky, at a time when most of my generation’s young minds were being feed the image of black people by Shirley Temple movies I grew up around a black woman who worked for my grandmother. She worked hard and she took time for me as well. We can only make judgments based on our observations.
I understand your anger, but it is misused. Take this woman to coffee and get to know her views and her yours. Unfortunately one on one is the only way things will change. The media does not have time to express the million plus individual view points. Her observations lead her to this belief of you.
On that note I want to shout out to dgg about the term Gamerbabes. I did not like the term but thought nothing of it, just another thing Kruk says. You see old dogs can learn as well.
Thanks Noce.
That’s a disturbing assumption your co-worker made, PS35.
Sooner or later it will occur to the world that 30-40% of male Caucasians voted for Ms. Clinton. Until then, most people are just angry.
He’s talking about the guy, supposedly Italian, that just assumed a new identity. He’s found a kindred spirit, so he’s excited.
Tu, comunque, sei sempre più una testa di cazzo
How dumb do you think everyone else is?
I cannot reveal my sources. However, if you Google the name and the number 106, you will find a clue.
I’m intrigued by this elder. Dan Brown character for sure. Numerologist is on the case.
It seemed pretty obvious to me. Even one of his replies to one of my comments was an immediate giveaway.
I don’t want an obvious mystery. AC=106th, yeah we got that a while ago, and it’s also pretty cool about the Doge of Venice and all that…
But is there an Alvise mystery? Another connection. Lefty seems to think so. And inquiring minds want to know. Maybe you know something too.
So did he, but I’m senile. It’s a gift.
Cute ribbon. Maybe it’s Watson at play.
See above.
I’m at big blues store front, I believe. For my part, who cares if he’s a rational conversationalist about baseball.
It’s part of my academic training; always tie everything up with a bow, or in some cases, with a question.
Due to Spring Training starting earlier due to the World Baseball Classic, pitchers and catchers report now in 86 days.
Have a good night everyone!
A lot of trade scuttlebutt here. Good for the Braves if they make an aggressive move. Kind of crazy for the Nats if they make the big move.
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chris-sale-nationals-braves-blue-jays-astros-kendrys-morales-notes-111516
The Nats already had one of the best rotations in the league, even with Strasburg missing substantial time in 2016. Interesting point he made about the NL East–could be one of the tougher divisions in the coming years.
Gray, Archer and Sale. Could be the new version of Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz if Braves could pull it off.
Sale
Teheran
Colon
Dickey
Foltyzxsexw
Not bad
The New Orleans Babycakes?!? LOL!
http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/11/16/the-marlins-triple-a-team-has-been-renamed-the-new-orleans-baby-cakes/
Even better are the Stud Muffins, but my favorite is the Florida Fire Frogs.
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I wish Alex Pavlovic’s Q&A’s about the Giants weren’t on Facebook.
I know–pretty hard to follow, actually. I read through & summarized what I thought was most interesting below. But I wish he’d just use a Chat feature where there’d be a link.
I can’t read the Q&A because I’m not on Facebook. I appreciated your summary, Lefty.
Keep it that way. Off FB is safer.
As I understand it, people in many places are abandoning Facebook. It has an enormous residual membership, but even their employees believe Zuckerberg has lost his way. For my part, I just don’t understand pouring your life out on what is essentially the toilet stall wall.
Well, you CAN go on there with a fake name and become friends with a bunch of musicians and follow their activities.
And don’t forget the thrill of seeing pictures of the pork chops that a gal from high school you totally forgot about for 20 years made for her family! Exciting!!
Each to his own, I suppose.
Amen.
Which reminds me of something that got me suspended in Jr. High when I wrote this…
Some come here to sh** and stink.
Others come here to sit and think.
But, I come here, most of all, to read the writing on the wall.
I can’t believe I copped to it. It did end my innate gullibility.
I remember the ‘read these lines of wit’ poetic admonition.
Comme ci, comme ça
Here ya go dgg and others:
Alex Pavlovic Alright, thanks everyone for stopping by. This will be a regular part of our off season coverage. If you have a question that didn’t get answered, leave it here or send me a message or a tweet and I’ll include it in one of our mailbags.
Karen Datangel Thanks Alex!
Sam Cox Is there a chance strong performances in Spring Training/Fall League could see someone other than Parker/Williamson play LF? Also, could Derek Law be backed as closer if they cannot secure any of the top names?
Alex Pavlovic Giants are always open to a prospect forcing the issue (see Duffy, Matt), so you could see an Austin Slater type break through. I also found it interesting that Ryder Jones (who is still just 22) is taking fly balls in the AFL. On closers, they prefer bringing one in. Law, Strickland etc. are viewed as future options.
Diane Green McFarlin Will the Giants trade for J.D. from the Tigers?
Sam Cox Alex Will we see Law in the setup role again this year? Thought he looked far and away the best of the bullpen before his DL spell.
Alex Pavlovic I believe so. I think he’s capable of closing, but for obvious reasons, Giants feel they need to bring someone in from the outside. Second half/Game 4 loom large.
Sam Cox personally feel that bullpen will be okay so long as big closer is added. Is there a chance of IF depth being added? Or will Adrianza, Gillaspie, Tomlinson continue?
Alex Pavlovic They always add a veteran or two for spring training, but Gillaspie/Tomlinson are probably just about locked in.
Harrison Dobson Why don’t they trade will Smith to the Marlins for Mike Dunn.
Rick Dwyer Reading a story today I got the impression they are leaning to looking in house for a left fielder?
Alex Pavlovic I think they’d be fine with it, especially if they get a big-name closer. At some point they have to get younger and more powerful in the outfield, and either Williamson or Parker (or both) could fit that mold. They were a big part of the success at the end of the first half.
Rick Dwyer Hunter Pence health status for the coming year?
Alex Pavlovic When spring training rolls around, he’s always ready for 162. But you have to be aware
of the fact that he’s getting older and a lot of this is out of his control (hamstring, oblique).
Harrison Dobson Who do you see for the future in Right Field?
Tyler Michael Daines who are the Giants interested in? when will deals start to actually happen? what are you predicting Giants to do? hope things happen soon.
Alex Pavlovic My best guess would be Melancon, but that’s honestly just a guess. The Giants are more tight-lipped than other organizations, and most of the rumors you hear this time of year are BS. They like to sneak up on the market, as they did with Cueto.
Kathy Rodas Silent Assassin’s…
Harrison Dobson Who do you like better for left field. Parker or Mac? Then, do you see us getting closer Mark. The guy that you see the giants getting.
Alex Pavlovic I like having both of them on roster, and I think they complement each other. Parker has shown flashes of being a monster against right-handers and the Giants believe Williamson can get to that point against lefties. Both can play RF too, which helps given Pence’s injury issues recently.
Harrison Dobson Yeah, I agree with that, but what the Closer role.? And do you see them bring back Romo?
Bill McBride LF platoon is the ticket. Weren’t the Giants thinking about outfield training for Tomlinson?
Clark Savage Agree
Shirley Boyd Bill McBride They send Tomlinson to the instructional league last year for outfield but he did not do so good in that position
Rhonda Hirata What are your thoughts on the Giants acquiring Aroldis Chapman on two counts: 1) his domestic violence suspension; and 2) the amount the Giants would have to pay for his acquisition?
Alex Pavlovic I think they should pass. If they’re willing to pay what it’s going to take, I’d rather give that contract to Jansen, in part because it hurts the Dodgers. The domestic violence issue is a big thing, especially in this town and with a fan base that has…See More
Jim Pennel I don’t like Chapman for that very reason. Would much rather have Melancon.
Sarah Lippold I agree 100%
Trevor Brueckner Whats the chances you see of giants landing yoenis cespedes?
Alex Pavlovic Pretty low.
Kellen Chamberlain Awe…
Trevor Brueckner whats the chances they get a big outfield bat ? Left field has been a problem since bonds retired and theyve never found consistent power from that endo of the outfield
Bob Mansfield If the Giants don’t land any of the “Big Three” as a closer, what do you think of Daniel Hudson?
Alex Pavlovic I’ve always liked him, but he’s not the guy you bring in as the Day 1 closer, so I think he kind of replicates a lot of what they already have.
Bob Mansfield Agreed. Living in AZ, we saw him all season and his velocity and command has improved steadily. If he resigns with AZ, he’ll probably get a chance to close but as you said we need a guy from day one. Thanks!!
Peter Hunter Is the pen really just one pitcher away or is a full overhaul in store?
Alex Pavlovic I believe it’s one pitcher (closer) away. Law can easily be the setup man. Strickland, Kontos, Gearrin, Osich, Okert, Smith are already in the mix, and they might need to make room for Cain if he’s not a starter (that’s just reality, he’s getting paid a ton).
Kathy Rodas I agree… Sounds good to me
Bill McBride Is Jake Peavy gone?
Ed Abrahamson I think Cain would be solid as a closer or in the bullpen. He always seem to have a lot of 1,2,3 innings, just that 2 or 3rd time through the lineup would get him about the 5th or 6th inning.
Anthony Rangel How is it with the Giants right now, are they really talking to people? It’s so quiet that it’s makes me so anxious lol. Do you think Jansen and Melancon would be their main priorities within closers? And if they do get a closer what’s the chance of them making any addition to LF? Thanks in advance Alex!
Alex Pavlovic You have to remember that 99 percent of conversations don’t get leaked. They met with reps for Jansen, Melancon, Chapman, etc. last week in Arizona, and Bobby is probably on the phone with an agent or executive right now.
Sheila Marie What are some realistic expectations we should have for Christian Arroyo and Tyler Beede? Could they make the Big Club out of Spring Training?
Alex Pavlovic Realistically, both are headed for Triple-A. They’ll be given a shot to win a big league job next March, but Arroyo would really need to dominate and Beede is behind a couple guys in the fifth starter race.
Nolan Serpa Think the Giants go after Steve Pearce and use Nunez as depth on the bench? I remember Pearce’s name coming up in trade talks last season
Alex Pavlovic – Pearce was a guy they liked at deadline last season, but for third base, it’s Nunez right now. He surprised them with how good he was defensively, and that gives him an advantage. I think they’d like to see what he could do there with a whole season of working with infield coach Ron Wotus.
Diane Green McFarlin Will the Giants get one of the three big closers this off season?
Alex Pavlovic I wouldn’t limit it to big three. I think they’ll get a closer, and I think you have to keep an eye on guys like Wade Davis and David Robertson who could be traded.
Elvin Pritchard Who is really in charge of trades & free agency? Evans or Sabean?
Alex Pavlovic They work together on a lot, but this is Bobby’s show now and has been for a while.
Kellen Chamberlain So what’s the status on our bullpen? Any close deals coming in the closer market?
Alex Pavlovic All is quiet. It usually is until closer to the winter meetings (early December).
Eric Einhorn Any chance we bring Angel back at reduced salary as 4th OF
Kellen Chamberlain I think it’ll be tough to bring back Pagan… Giants look pretty committed to other free agents trades or possibly using Parker or Williamson… But stranger things have happened before. I liked Pagan and he had an above average year
Kellen Chamberlain Also i don’t think Pagan would accept a 4th outfield role. He wants to play everyday.
Alex Pavlovic I don’t see it for either side. I don’t think Angel would want to come in as a backup, and the Giants are ready to move on. Him being unavailable for the end of the postseason run didn’t exactly help this cause.
Brandon Wooley Could the Giants get Martinez without including Arroyo or Beede?
Alex Pavlovic Right now that’s probably hard to do. The Tigers are going to ask for everything in November. There are a ton of teams out there looking for right-handed power, including the team that won the West.
Kathy Rodas Don’t give up our future for one player… No way
Diane Green McFarlin Hey Alex, Will the Giants trade for J.D. Martinez?
Alex Pavlovic If I had to bet, I’d say no. There really does seem to be a lot of support for Williamson/Parker.
Diane Green McFarlin So the Giants will not trade for J.D.
Diane Green McFarlin The Giants need to get a power bat
Brendan Stone You like the idea of JD Martinez in left?
Alex Pavlovic Hard not to like it. He’s one of the most underrated hitters in the game and gives them exactly what they’re looking for. As with anything, it comes down to price. If Tigers make him available, he should fetch a lot given the lack of free agent options. Obviously the Giants are a little thing on prospects right now after everything they gave up at trade deadline.
Brendan Stone Marcellus O’Connor straight from the horses mouth! Thanks for the reply Alex, hope you have a great off season.
Marcellus O’Connor Does he work for the Giants?
Brendan Stone Marcellus O’Connor are you kidding me? He’s the beat writer!
Marcellus O’Connor Never heard of him, but I’m glad that he’s part of the crew
Marcellus O’Connor The Giants need Cespedes and that’s final
Marcellus O’Connor A 25 home run hitter won’t cut it at AT&T
Yvonne Dominguez Is Angel Pagan coming back???
Alex Pavlovic I would be stunned if he did.
Cole Kuiper Will Star Wars: Rogue One be better than Star Wars: A Force Awakens?
Alex Pavlovic I’ve honestly never watched a Star Wars movie from start to finish …
Erick Sandoval Do the Giants have the prospects to acquire JD?
Alex Pavlovic Yes, but it would hurt, and they’ve already traded away quite a bit in the past six months.
Karen Datangel How do you see the starting rotation shaping up for 2017?
Alex Pavlovic Not much of a competition. It’s Blach vs. Cain for the No. 5 spot and the rest is set, and I’ve gotten the impression that it’s Blach’s job to lose. He opened a lot of eyes in September.
Trevor Brueckner whats the chances they get a big outfield bat ? Left field has been a problem since bonds retired and they’ve never found consistent power from that end of the outfield
Jeffrey Henig Alex:I know you have said Ty Blach, who was terrific in September and the podt-season, and Matt Cain with his large contract, are the obvious 5th starter candidates. What about Chris Heston who was hurt a majority of the year in Sacramento? He’s almost an after thought. Any shot he gets a look?
Gabriel Piceno Mickartz What prospects or guys riding the shuttle this past season do have you think have potential to be big league starting players for a contender?
Tim Walters What are the chances of the Giants picking up one of these top 3 closers?also what about JD Martinez?
Kathy Rodas These are great questions! I am so excited for the new season!
Richard Prestia Sorry I missed this but what is the deal with Nolan James Arenado contract? I heard Someone say he’s a free agent possibly? Lets get that guy
Steve Derico What is the ask for Jorge Soler? He has a very club-friendly deal too.
Robert A. Borges I see that Giants are kicking the tires on JD Martinez of Tigers
Will Slayter Why do I keep hearing the Giants need infielders?
Why doesn’t AP talk to GG and put his stuff here?
Perhaps because he is paid by CSNBA?
For off season Facebook posts?
His FB posts still contain links to CSNBA.
So do we, when appropriate.
Was that a serious question?
Yes, IMO, it’s worth exploring. It only helps his brand. CSN commentary boards aren’t the most stimulating or intelligent he’s ever written for. In addition, this is a fan board, not an competing news entity.
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Most likely because since AP took over from Baggs – Comcast mandates which formats he uses. Facebook is pretty much mainstream even though most of us do not care for it.
Asking is free. Why presuppose an outcome unless you inquire. For my part, I don’t really care, except insofar as it stimulates interesting conversation here.
Thanks ClutchUp.
Alex Pavlovic re: the Giants acquiring Chapman:
“I think they should pass. If they’re willing to pay what it’s going to take, I’d rather give that contract to Jansen, in part because it hurts the Dodgers. The domestic violence issue is a big thing, especially in this town and with a fan base that has…” See More
Do you know what the “More” was?
Alex Pavlovic
I think they should pass. If they’re willing to pay what it’s going to take, I’d rather give that contract to Jansen, in part because it hurts the Dodgers. The domestic violence issue is a big thing, especially in this town and with a fan base that has watched three groups with high character win titles. I’ve personally heard from a ton of fans who want nothing to do with Chapman. I think the Giants are in a position that they can take a stand in a situation like this.
Thanks again ClutchUp.
An interesting way to look at teams risk to FA.
https://i.imgur.com/a3ClkF4.png
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-dodgers-and-three-other-playoff-teams-have-a-lot-to-lose-in-free-agency/
Yes indeed. Dodgers have a very interesting offseason and I do believe their payroll is already at about 170-175 million.
I didn’t know it, but the Dodgers are rumore to be developing a contingency to acquire Evan Longoria if Turner walks. I suppose that is sensible, but apparently since Friedman left Rays for LA, there is no love lost between the two organizations.
http://www.foxsports.com/florida/story/andrew-friedman-tampa-bay-rays-leaves-for-los-angeles-dodgers-front-office-changes-101414
Lets see, Baer has had the Portuguese Water Dogs in McCovey Cove and the Melk Men (along with Greg Papa’s Melk Maids) – plus the twin sisters who sat near the SF dugout on behalf of Timmy… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/65eb8fb1aa73e3806cab26e4d769b1b306a26effe76a5974f5fbef2201d80d57.jpg
I think this guy should roam the stands with his instrument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyXYBTBapRU
Jimmy Page
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PL5R25_9Ww
http://www.quotehd.com/imagequotes/authors42/tmb/chief-seattle-man-does-not-weave-this-web-of-life-he-is-merely-a.jpg
Now that pot is legal in CA, has anyone’s life style changed?
How Clutch is defined, measured (Fangraphs does), and its flaws. Joe Sheehan defined clutch as ” “well-timed hit, a big defensive play, or a key strikeout that pushes a team towards victory”. That and more.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/coming-up-clutch/
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