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SurfMaui
As previously reported I have been a Giants fan since at least 1954. Growing up in Albany, New York, I was definitely living in Yankees territory. I distinctly remember listening on the radio to the exploits of Dusty Rhodes in that World Series sweep over the Indians. That was the WS in which Willie Mays made his famous catch off the bat of Vic Wertz. As I got older I became more of a Giants fan for three reasons: (1) my father was a Yankees fan and that’s what passed for an act of rebellion in those days; (2) it was cool to root for an out of market West Coast team when everyone else that I know–except for those loser Brooklyn fans– rooted for the Yankees and later the Mets; and (3) of course, Willie Mays.
I saw Willie play many times in the Polo Grounds and Shea Stadium when the Giants came to town after the Mets were created. I was at the famous 22 inning game (the second game of a double header) which I had to leave in the 10th inning to get the last bus back home. The game was still going on when I got home . Alas, I do not have that scorecard, though it would have been a mess. (Mays played a portion of that game at shortstop). The Giants had great teams in those days–Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, Marichal, the Alou brothers, and later Gaylord Perry– who pitched in relief in the 22 inning game.
I had always kept score at games, but on scorecards, most of which–with the notable exception of my 1962 World Series Game 5 scorecard previously displayed here– have long since disappeared. However, as I grew older, and was better able to travel to San Francisco and other places to watch more baseball, I started keeping score in my “official” Giants Scorebooks.
My scorebook collection dates to 1992, along with a few miscellaneous scorecards from 1991. Here is one where, despite a Will Clark home run, the Giants lost to Tom Glavine and the Braves. These scorebooks now comprise 25 years of Giants games which I have attended–more than 275 games including the World Series of 2002, 2010, 2012, and 2014 and Playoffs in other years as well. They reflect games at Wrigley, Fenway, Shea Stadium, CitiField,Veterans Stadium and Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia, Nationals Park, Camden Yards, Minute Maid Park, Coors Field, Petco, Dodger Stadium, Oakland, Detroit, Miller Park, Scottsdale, old and new Yankee Stadium, Montreal, and of course Candlestick, 3Com, PacBell, SBC, and ATT Park, as well as a few others that I’ve probably forgotten. In the early years it was only a few games a season– and now sometimes 25 or more (between surgeries).
The Photos (Click on Thumbnails to View Larger Images):
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- 1991 Game
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- Will Clark Homers, July 3, 1992
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- Barry Goes Deep, June 11, 1994
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- Giants Win The Pennant!
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- September 28, 1999
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- My First Foul Ball
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- Last Game at the Stick
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- Last Game at the Stick Ticket
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- 1991 Scorecard Cover
For someone who always had to travel out of town to attend games I managed, by pure coincidence, to attend quite a few memorable games over the years–for example Barry Bonds 600 HR, Bonds 700 HR, Chris Heston’s no hitter in New York, as well as pennant clinching games, the WS finale in Detroit and others.
So at the request of Greek Giant, here is Part I of my scorecards from a few of the more memorable games. Looking back over these 25 years, its amazing the number of Giants players who came and went in that time, many of whom I don’t even remember.
As the years went on I became more sophisticated in my scoring, starting to include pitch counts and interesting trivia and historical events. Sometimes, however, because there were a lot of changes in the later innings, or because I was rooting too hard, I lost track of multiple switches, or the game was out of hand. So my scorecards are less than pristine, and I hope that all of you on TWG won’t be too critical. If there is interest I’ll produce some more in future installments.
The first game in my books dates from July 3, 1992 and the Giants beat the Cardinals on a Will Clark home run in the 4th inning. John Burkett pitched a 5 hit complete game letting up only a solo home run in the first inning.
I kept score for the game in featured the first Barry Bonds home run that I ever saw in person. It was on June 11, 1994. Unfortunately Bonds solo HR was the only run scored that day by the Giants who wasted a Mark Portugal gem, losing 3-1. J.R. Phillips (remember him) played first base that day.
On September 27, 1997 I was in town for a legal conference which I promptly blew off to watch the Giants clinch the pennant against the Padres. I vividly remember Barry Bonds dancing on top of the dugout.
I was also at the next to the last night game at Candlestick Park, which was memorable to me because I caught my first foul ball ever. It was off the bat of Jeff Kent in the sixth inning on a 2-1 pitch. Note that Joe Nathan was the starting pitcher. Here is the scorecard, the ball and the ticket stub.
This scorecard is for the last game at the Stick, which unfortunately the Giants lost to the Dodgers. Things got so emotional that I failed to score the bottom of the ninth. The post game ceremony was one of the most moving things that I ever saw. There wasn’t a dry eye in the house. There must have been 100 former Giants players who were introduced and went out to their positions on the field from the dugout.
The last player to be introduced was, of course Willie Mays, who walked slowly in from centerfield to a standing ovation which had been going on for close to an hour. A final pitch was thrown to Bonds, and the Candlestick home plate was lifted out of the dirt and placed on a sling under a helicopter, which flew it to the as yet unfinished PacBell Park where it was placed in the field. This was all shown on the big video screen. The the background music was Frank Sinatra’s ode to the either the Polo Grounds or Ebbets Field (historians differ) “There Used to Be A Ballpark.” If you’ve never heard it, it was haunting and perfect for the occasion. Here is the link. My eyes still tear up, but then again I cry every time I see Field of Dreams too.
Well that does it for the Candlestick Edition of my 25 years of scorebooks. If there is any interest I’ll do some more later.
i just figured out who i want to come back as in my next life. well done, surf..
Thanks — but be careful what you wish for
Wow, I wonder what happened to the blog? Anybody else have problems in the last few minutes?
Yes
Maybe Disqus got disgusted at my mistake? On the last thread, I was typing about MS, rather than ALS, probably because both are mysterious in origin. But even more likely, because of non-football related loss of mental faculties.
Neurodegenerative diseases are confusing to everyone, even the ones working on them.
One of the biggest contributors to neurodegenerative diseases is working a near lifetime on neurodegenerative diseases.
By the way, that press release referring to the PNAS article is quite an impressive dig. I’m trying to bring a baseball reference to catching a hot grounder into a completely off-topic discussion.
Just a hit from Google. The date on that is 2009, so the discovery hasn’t quickly led to an ALS cure.
I’ve just been looking at the wikipedia page for MS, as Wiki has become a pretty good way to get fairly deeply into a subject. It confirmed my memory that MS is more common farther from the equator (in both north and south hemispheres), and further reminded me that it is where you grow up as a child (to age 15) that counts.
A little more poking around led me to the MS research assoc’s web page, which says a link between MS and canine distemper is now discredited.
But the ALS link is still intact, I believe.
Yes … this last 45 minutes it has been inaccessible for me.
Haak, here’s my 25-man. Blach, Okert, Osich, Morse, Kelby, Parker, Gorkys.
Just modified it. Again. Is Gearrin on your projected 18?
Seems like the only way to save Cory (which I want very much) is to put him on the DL.
Yeah. And thinking about who takes his spot is only adding to my migraine. So much is dependent on the Cain/Blach decision. If Cain is the starter, Blach is the long man. Then you replace Gearrin with a regular reliever. If Blach wins it, I don’t see Cain on the OD roster. Which demands a long man so Suarez probably nabs it even though I don’t think he’s pitched that great this spring. I’m gonna grab some darts and blindfold myself.
Rob, you’re giving me a headache. I have a solution for you, though, but you have to take a nap first.
Nah, I’m gonna go take out my frustration on some golf balls. Which will only add to my frustration, of course.
Gearrin is NOT on the Core 18. You would have to drop OK or OS or take Bapah’s route of staging him on the DL for a while.
I need to go back and look at your projected 18, I guess.
I thought i could do this real quick while enjoying my coffee. Don’t i feel foolish.
They are listed on my post yesterday around 1 PM.
I just looked at it. Gonna stick to my picks even though I don’t have a long man. Figure Kontos/Osich will be a two-headed long guy.
Okay I got it.
You did not do this for Feb. 25 right?
No. The headache i currently have would be dwarfed by the one I surely would’ve attained by issuing a previous prediction.
Why is Morse DHing? Have they seen enough of him in outfield? Is that why Hill is in LF?
They know what he can (or can’t) do in LF. I’m happy to see Hill out there, and will be even happier to see Hwang out there. Pavs says they’re both playing LF today. If Hwang can play the outfield i think he makes the OD roster.
Start Parker and send Mac to Sac then?
I think the quad issue cemented that.
If Hwang is playing more OF this week that might modify my 25-Man as you describe.
I do not need Hill though: KT and Conor cover the INF.
I literally just posted my prediction below, had Hwang in the first draft and just switched him out for Morse. Arrrrgggghhhhh!! I don’t friggin’ know.
Rob,
NO MORE COFFEE !
The baseball gods want me to be an alcoholic.
That’s what Brisbee says too:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/3/20/14982932/jarrett-parker-sf-giants-left-fielder
i think you’re right. I had Hwang on my 25 heading into ST and I’m glad.
The brass has seen enough the merit his signing. He would be wasted in AAA, he doesn’t need it to adjust to MLB.
HE can flat out hit and play a decent infield. If he can play OF it will just be icing on the cake.
There is no question, almost anyone on the roster can play OF better than Morse, so let’s get past that question. Love Morse but he is not a ML outfielder.
I had Hwang on my “guess” list below, and switched him for Morse. I just feel like they want Morse to make it and he’s said he wont go to AAA. Do you (or anyone) know if Hwang has a stipulation in his contract regarding AAA? I could see them sending Hwang down if that’s an option in order to:
1) Get him regular AB’s and
2) See if Morse can continue to hit once the ML season starts
And also:
Dear Diary,
Efrain said he thinks I’m right. Oh glorious day.
RD
My mama always said “you are who you hang around with…”
He was talking about your politics.
I believe Hwang agreed to a Minor League deal with opportunity to make the big club. I just don’t think he needs AAA to adjust to MLB, the team can see he is a good player from spring, good D, great stroke and power, able to move around, etc.
I like Morse, but I think his lack of defense is something this team can’t look away from. I like the energy he provides, but already Hwang has more St HR is roughly same amount of ABs.
Hwang can opt out if he doesn’t make the team. He said at the beginning of ST that he’d consider going to AAA if that seemed necessary, but he’s not obligated to. My concern is that he’s had such a good spring that if the Giants don’t keep him on their roster, he might shop his talents elsewhere and they could lose him.
Supposing that Hwang is grateful that our Giants brought him over from his old team, has had fun with his new Giants team mates, and is told they want him to practice LF for 6 weeks, I think he’d take the assignment to Sacramento.
But I did put him onto my first 25 man, and the revised entry, which I”m 100% sure Bruce Bochy will accept (eyes rolling).
This is good info. I was under the impression that he signed his deal with the Giants knowing full well that he may spend some time in AAA – but that was mostly speculation.
But jeez, if he is free to opt out because some other team would pick him then that puts a lot of pressure on the Giants. I wonder if his agent has some sort of gag order to not arrange things or if he could have everything set up, waiting for OD decision.
I just assume that he will be in Sacramento hitting and working on his versatility and waiting for the call.
Sacramento
SurfMaui, Dude, do you ever have to work? Really nice piece, though.
A remaining remnant from the last thread. Not to be too dogmatic, but
There is NO SUCH THING as muscle memory !!
My constant slice begs to differ.
Huh?
Golf swing.
Bad motor program is at fault. (perhaps, among other things*) It can be remedied, though. Just not easily.
*Golf, by nature, is insidious and the work of the devil (which does exist).
You’ve been a lot of help on this fine morning.
I haven’t been watching much. Who’s arm is better, Hwang or Hill?
Tough to say just from watching their infield tosses. Which is why I’m glad we’ll get to see Hwang uncork some throws from the OF.
When is Hwang playing OF? This also excites me.
is this the latest AKA?
you bet, Pink.
Come in here, valleyfloor, have a cigar…the Giants are gonna go far
They’re gonna fly high, never gonna die. And goshdarn it, they’re gonna make it if they try.
Ha ha charade you are…
Hwang looks pretty good in his KBO highlight clips – not a cannon, but good enough.
“better than water buffalo” ought to be good enough to edge out Moore.
“Disqus Delayed” post: Brekastalgia words and music; thanks Surf … Good for a gray first day of Spring. Play ball!
I was thinking that since we have a pick deadline AND we have been discussing neurodegenerative diseases, we should adopt Pick’s disease as our mascot.
Pick’s is like having a pre-frontal lobotomy without the actual lobotomy part. In trying to make my predictions, I feel I’ve had one already and nothing I do will even be close to what the brain trust will do.
Pick’s:
“Personality changes, inappropriate behavior, difficulty with speech, and loss of memory and intellectual ability” are symptoms. I think some of us have already got it.
Matty? Rob? How are you guys feeling?
I have Blog CTE
When your mamma said ‘use your head son’, she clearly had something besides banging it on the wall in mind.
Like Randle McMurphy.
Bapah you are describing the typical TWG member here.
you are a GREAT Giants fan
Tebow to class A, Columbia.
That seems because they no longer have Class C or D like the olden days.
That guy looks incredibly out of place on a baseball field
Too-shay, Mateo.
They do, just be another name.
I would like to thank Bapah for my Santa Clause level gut punch about muscle memory.
Scientists are mean
Looks like a Split Squad playing against the White Sox.
Where is the A Team playing? ;o)
On Nick at Nite! George Peppard, Mr. T.! Fun stuff
Strong move, Justin. Grab some pine, meat.
BTW, as an aside “There Used to Be a Ballpark” was written by Joe Raposo who also wrote “It’s Not Easy Being Green” for Kermit the Frog. Although many people claim that the song was written about Ebbets Field, Raposo himself once told Larry King in an interview that it was about the Polo Grounds. I choose to believe that.
Off to see the Cardinals- Astros in spring training with Greek Giant.
Buy GG a beer for me. In fact, buy one for yourself, too. I’m good for it.
We will collect later
Can’t wait.
Hill isn’t looking so hot of late. And he still hasn’t homered? Go Hwang!
By “of late” you mean three full years running.
perfect fit for the giants then. smh
Just think how it would go here if the Giants weren’t a good team. Were you around before 2009? Since then the wins are 88-92-86-94-76-88-84-87 and 3 titles. Yeah, nobody knows what they are doing.
What’s Kelby’s status these days. Playing 2B today. Has he played much SS of late? Has he seen the outfield at all this spring? Remember when that was a thing – they took him out to instructional league in the fall to learn some OF. Outfield crickets since?
Is he a lock? Or is he still very much optionable material?
I think he’s pretty much a lock.
No, he has options, Hill does not .
Giants do not want to lose some veterans, like Hill, so he might start the year in AAA, and his OF stint in Instructional league did not go well, people on this blog think anybody can play OF, it is not that easy .
How about you? Can you play OF? Centerfield is a challenge. I prefer left field.
Haha…charade ?
I did in little league, but like Kelby , I was very fast , Track Star in High school, but have very bad eyes, so was known to misjudge fly balls, got worse as I got older .
it’s a good thing you were fast. you were able to avoid a lot of fights.
No, I was never scared of anybody, usually did not hang with people that liked pot and booze, like people on this blog .
Just a bunch of stoned alcoholics here.
Pass the vape pen, Venison
Pot, booze, crack, morphine, opiates… We got ’em all, and they’re all for sale.
Hahahahahaha
Not sure about that…I think they know what Kelby brings. It has to do with his bat, his speed and his middle infield skills. We shall see.
Do you think they more or less see him as 2b only?
Or they like him enough at SS?
and I don’t think the bat is something that gets Peter excited. Frankly, I have a hard time getting geared up for a Kelby AB.
You don’t like speed/small ball? He grinds at the plate and gets pitches out of the opponents. Solid ball player. This isn’t just a Sportscenter highlight sport, right?
Ryan Theriot part deux?
Hmmm…I think he’s WAY faster than that. The Riot was a solid MLB guy. KT is more of a firecracker
I know KT is fast, but he’s just 10/15 in SBs for MLB career. Yes, faster than Riot, but even though RT was not known for pop, probably had more firecracker in bat that KT – a singles machine.
I just think he challenges defense with that speed….
Matthew, only reason you guys think and talk about KT being so fast is because of the squad he is on. Put him on another team like the Royals and he’s not some speedster. You guys speak of him as if he were Vince Coleman or Billy Hamilton.
KT pretty fast for a white guy?
Nope.
i really doubt an opposing team loses sleep because they think Tomlinson is so fast.
It’s the same internal fan debate on how hard Strickland throws, sure on this team may look good, but on other teams they have a few guys who throw harder and are better. See the trend?
Dude. Get a grip. I didn’t say they did. The question is who is the best BACK UP INFIELDER fit. To me, it’s Kelby, in great kart because of his speed. What Latin player would you prefer?
actually Hwang could provide enough backup IF Hill makes it. Nunez could spell Crawford at short when needed, not asking him to be the starter at SS but he does have well over 200 games at the position in his career.
No one can ever knock The Riot, in my books.
YEE HAW!!!
You should let him know.
Really, a utility infielder who has a .299 BA up here and is respectable in the field- what’s not to like?
Dear ‘valley floor ann’ – do I have that right?
Should we care about what gets you geared up?
Management is clearly deluded over Hill. No idea what value he could possibly bring to this team,
He can hit , has pop, and can play multiple positions , check the back of his Baseball card .
I see 3 straight seasons of nothing out of him. He hasn’t hit at all in a very long time, and he doesn’t play the positions very well. They have a lot of guys who can stand at those positions and have some reasonable upside
One word: over-the-Hill.
I hope Bapah does not break your code … My address book for you has spilled over to the third page.
KT is one of the variable especially for Hill Fans that see Kelby having options.
I posted a comment about my disqus on the fritz and couldn’t log in, until I made a new user. But that comment disappeared. This is my work computer, valley floor persona.
Around 10 this morning several of us were not able to post or log-in to the Disqus function. Maybe that is what hit you too?
In Surfs game where he was home before it ended – my favorite Giant Jimmy Davenport played SS-3B-SS but was not in the starting lineup. Davvy Tripled with two out in the top of the 23rd inning off of Galen Cisco. Cisco IBB’d Cap Peterson – Del Crandall doubled off of Cisco scoring Davvy and Jesus Alou singled home Peterson. Mays made the third out of the Top of the 23rd. Giants hit into a Triple Play in the T14th. As Surf said Mays played CF-SS-CF. Matty Alou played CF when Mays went to SS. Gil Garrido started at SS for the Giants. Tom Haller caught all 23 Innings and went 4 for 10. Jesus Alou also went 4 for 10. Mays went 1 for 10. Cepeda was 3 for 9. Nobody got more than 4 hits for the Giants. Bob Hendley pitched the B23rd and got K – K – Fly ball to secure the win for Gaylord who pulled a “Yusmero Petit” ++ going 10 INN. 7 hits, struck out 9 with one walk. Giants pitcher were Bobby Bolin 6.2 Inn – Ken Mackenzie 0 Inn – Bob Shaw 1.1 Inn – Ron Herbel 4 Inn – Gaylord (10) and Hendley for 1 Inning.
McCovey was 0-1 as a PH. Jim Ray Hart 1/4. Matty Alou Pinch hit and then went 0/6.Errors for SF:Cepeda (1); Tom Haller (2); Gil Garrido (1).
Outfield Assists: Jesus Alou
Base-running: CS: Jesus Alou (3 times) 🙂
Time of Game: 7:23. Attendance: 57,037.
Three CS is possibly a record for a single game?
Has to be although the G’s I guess were trying to get outta Dodge so anything was possible.
Got call!
Just how tough was Tom Haller???
Gritty and a Great Giant. His some Tim comes on this blog at times.
RIP @ Tom – he succumbed I believe to some kind of spider bite…..
Wasn’t that a Sunday game Clutch?
It twas a Sunday :o)
Yes. Second game of a double header. My friend Gary Shaye and I went to the entire series. Sometime during that series–I forget which game (after all its only 50+ years ago) Willie McCovey his a low line drive off the center field wall (475 feet)–the hardest hit ball I’ve ever seen.
Seems like today’s game is a snooze. And Osich has walked the bags juiced. Uhhh, that’s one way to punch a ticket to the minors.
Puerto Rico going to roll tonight.
Bam Bam’s squad can hit, they have Jensen to close now too .
#TeamOkert–no drama.
It’s raining again. ☔️First day of spring my a**. 😡
Fried Okert will be the second lefty out of the ‘pen.
You have it backwards.
OurGuy™ Ryder Jones showing his new power … same age as Arroyo
Interesting roster dilemma for Sac: Arroyo, maybe Hwang, Hinojosa, Jones…who plays where?
Only 2 projected starters in the lineup. WTF is up with that? I thought they had to have a minimum of 4 starters in the lineup.
But he “limited the damage”. Kruk is big on that.
Back in the day – George Brett went to the Missouri DMV to take his test. They said If you can hit .350, we figured you could see. – on why they waived George Brett’s eyesight test
Amy with MadBum and also Hundley and Melancon https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a13437f296fdd21bd1beaeceae57d9b7a35d09c0a7ec113aff9a48c37603537.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0205669adde45e4e7b406d0384218ae974276385c22e281a33df3df7a973a271.jpg
A 4-way.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a9ccde6c712f0d8f52a3ff0ee7e6f0507caced624274ca9b22879a6655ac8ab9.jpg
Cardinals– Astros. Mike Leake just gave up a double
Surf’s post brings back quite a few memories. As a twelve year old in 1964, my parents gave in a allowed my two best friends (Met fans) and I to sojourn to Shea by ourselves. It turned out to be the famous Giant/Met double header with the 23 inning second game. We had a two hour commute on public transportation and were a little antsy as the second game dragged on but never had a thought of leaving. Most of the large crowd stayed throughout. As we were heading downtown on the subway (after 2:00am) towards the Staten Island Ferry two NYPD officers approached us to inquire why we were out so late. When they found out my father was a fellow cop, they escorted us all the way to Staten Island and then called a local patrol car to drive us home. I was so happy the Giants had swept the doubleheader. Funny thing was we never thought our parents would be upset because they had given us permission to attend both games. In our mind we headed home right after the game finished. Last game we attended in 1964! Thanks for the post Surf!
Nice story. I was up the road in CT, listening on the radio. :o)
Giants reliever Smith leaves game with injury
By Henry SchulmanMarch 20, 2017 Updated: March 20, 2017 3:40pm
GLENDALE, Ariz. — Reliever Will Smith is having no luck staying on the mound this spring.
After missing the first three weeks of games with an elbow injury, Smith left Monday’s game against the White Sox in the eighth inning, in the middle of an at-bat.
Earlier in the inning, Smith appeared to deflect leadoff hitter Adam Engel’s high chopper with his bare hand. The left-hander stayed in the game as Engel reached first base. Smith got two groundballs for outs, but when he fell behind Dan Hayes 3-2, manager Bruce Bochy went to the mound with a trainer, and they walked off with Smith.
It was not immediately clear if Smith’s departure was related to the chopper that led off the inning or his original elbow injury.
This was Smith second appearance of the spring. He debuted with a shutout inning Friday and had said he was on track to be ready for Opening Day.
Not good elbow pain .
I just saw that. You’re right, not good.
So it’s not bad elbow pain. That’s good.
Speaking of the Sox, CSN still had a pic of Chris Sale on the the ads for the Giants v. Sox game.
Lazy and quit playing cab ride interviews!
Ryder Jones just hit a 3 run Homer, he is from the same Draft class as Arroyo, had a better year in AA last year then Arroyo , so why not the hype to call him up .
Not everyone is sold on Arroyo…I just want our best 25 at all times
You can get the hype going, Peter. Go for it.
BTW, he and Fed-Ex are the only position players in camp with no chance to make the team.
Neil Ramirez now has a real chance to grab a spot.Very impressive spring.
Just looked him up, had rough year in 2016 , but had a great Rookie year with Cubs in 2014, and a good 2015 season, was he hurt in 2015, not much MLB innings, at least he got a ring last year .
Smith’s injury might make it a lock for Okert and Osich to make it, Ramirez could replace Gearrin on the roster, he has injury issues as well .
Okert is already a lock. Josh is on life support.
is Ramirez a lefty?
If not would Blach be a reasonable LHP for the pen? Or would relieving be a “waste” of his talents.
No, R
Neil is RHed. I think Ty is now close to being a shoo-in for a rotation spot.
Blach is to close to being in the rotation. You can mess with him by “making him a reliever” at this juncture. Not s easy as people think to go back and forth.
I think he’s the sleeper who might sneak in and take Cory Gearrin’s spot.
I hope not. If his arm gets better, he might get that 2-seam back and it was better than Romo’s when Romo’s was making batters, both right and left handers, look silly,
I like Gearrin, too, but with his underwhelming spring, he’d probably sneak through waivers. The Giants could keep him in AAA.
I think he’s been hurt.
Fingernail issue, no?
I thought it might be elbow, maybe shoulder. I have no memory and it isn’t all my fault. I think.
I enjoy the hell outta you.
I was going to say something gracious.
….
Damn. What was it?
He has. Something with a cracked fingernail. Could start season on DL, I guess.
If Will can’t go, it leaves 2 spots open. 5 are locks (Melancon, Law, Strickland, Okert, Kontos). If they go with the traditional long guy, it’s a big time scrum there, so it leaves just one “true” reliever. I’d say that Ramirez suddenly becomes the front runner. If you look at the other candidates , Neil may be close to being a lock.
IMO.
Also – didn’t Lefty note that Ramirez is already on the 40?
I haven’t checked Lefty’s notes since she caught me doing it. But I don’t believe that he is on the 40. He’s a non-Roster Invitee. I don’t like that term. I rather like ” Our 2017 Guests of Honor.”
Doesn’t that mean he’s in line for The Barney Fife Award – or whatever that’s called?
I don’t think that you can call yourself a Giants fan if you don’t know that it is the “Festus Haggen Award”
Yep, Mr. Dillion.
NRI
No, not yet.
I suspect Smith and Gearrin will not start on roster, but on DL.
I’m starting to have premonitions of a lineup that doesn’t hit or score runs – Span 4-3, Pence pressing, Parker K’ing, and then suddenly the pressure’s on the IF and C to make it up. And Evans gives Big Hat Hill and Gorks for respite. Not so good.
IMO los Gigantes better get creative with their 25-man roster, pronto.
I think BR has the Giants at #8 in baseball, and #4 or 5 in the NL.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2698020-mlb-power-rankings-where-all-30-teams-stand-2017-mid-spring-training-edition
BR projected Giants team.
https://i.imgur.com/Okgt9X6.png
Since you put it that way – I feel better. I’m only really worried about Span and Parker.
Just trying to lower your anxiety level. 😉
I’d like to see Blach really put away any doubt that he should be the rotation. The Big Three and two losers won’t cut it.
We park our cars in the same garage.
Looks like Smith will be disabled.
Also there is no long reliever / spot starter on the BR projected Giants team.
No Tomilson or Blach, both who I want and expect to make the team but the fact that they have options left may have them at AAA to start.
Ramirez was good today and had an excellent 2014 maybe could slide in for Smith?
I hopefully want Cain to start the season on DL and Blach in rotation.
Has Hwang gotten reps around the IF? I know he has played a game in LF, but unfortunately I don’t think Hwang will make the team because of that fact.
There are 4 young players originally signed by the SF Giants in BRs starting position players:
Matt Duffy SS Rays
Adam Duvall LF Reds
Tommy Joseph 1b Phillies
Andrew Susac C Twins
Giants aren’t missing any of those guys, atleast on the field.
Not baseball: Sesame Street has introduced a new muppet character, Julia. She is autistic.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/julia-first-sesame-street-muppet-with-autism/
Great potential to educate kids re: spectrum disorders.
https://www.facebook.com/WhatsTrending/videos/1508594062513878/
At least the guys the Giants traded to get Smith aren’t primed to bust out of the gates either. Susac has some shoulder ailment – he’s always banged up – and may be unlikely to make OD roster.
Bickford got a pot bust and has 50 day suspension.
I’m liking Trevor Brown more than Susac. Better D.
Hate to say it, but backup C’s are very fungible…
Wheel Sea. Paul in Prune Valley
Us geriatric Mexicanos resent that Bap!
Was it Susac who was in Bochy’s doghouse like Schierholtz regarding playing time? I forgot if that was one of the factors, aside from being blocked by Posey, to being dealt to the Brewers.
Somebody or somebodies are always in Bochy’s dog house.
Whose dog house is bigger, Bochy’s or Chef’s?
Chef runs a cat house.
Well played, sir.
I’m not as clever as some of you, but every once in a while I hit my pitch.
Yeah, but you slap it to right.
Did you get your tractor fixed? It’s getting messy under the bus.
https://photos.travelblog.org/Photos/124637/561915/f/5794030-dont_like_seeing_the_driver_under_the_bus-0.jpg
You guys are blocked by Efrain. If you want entry to my dog house, you’ll have to fight him for it.
That’s sounds like a grand evening. I’ll bring the Sierra Nevada. And a vape. Cuz I’m a pothead boozehound.
I tried vaping medical marijuana when my hip was really painful. It was like smoking 10 cigarettes.
I never read anything about Susac being in the dog house.
Well, why would you think that he would get much playing time with Buster here? It would not be a question of being in the dog house. I am sure that I am missing something, it would not be the first time.
No, I don’t think so.
And it’s Bickford’s second offense.
Head’um up, move’m out. One week from tomorrow.
I think will be rich theater on the blog as the roster gets polished up
Okay, back off the valley floor and around 1700 ft.
Now let me get this straight. If Smith is out, if Blach is the 5th starter (or Sac?), and if Osich is optioned to Sac because he’s a mess, then it stands that Okert would be the only lefty in the pen. Do I have that right? Or is there some loogy in camp I don’t know about that now has an outside shot?
Thanks in advance.
–Lolium multiflorum
Roth? Tim, Hyman…something or another
Michael and he’s pretty bad. Matt Reynolds would be preferable assuming he’s still a G?
Maybe Blach becomes the other L reliever now. I don’t think they have another L reliever on the 40
That’s my worry: They use Smith’s injury as an excuse to put Cain in the rotation and Blach in the bullpen.
Oh, book it
Yep 😖
#FreeBeede
I thought it was #Beedah.
That would blow the late season surprise but would be worth it. Nothing short of Cains arm falling off was going keep him from his fair well tour, this is the SFGIANTS were talking about.
What I want to know is who is most responsible for this disastrous run the Giants have been on the last 10 years? Sabean was awful, we all know that. Evans is worse. Bochy should have been fired years ago. Shouldn’t have been hired in the first place after he was run out of San Diego. They’ve never had any good players, and the ones they had were kept in the lineup long after they served their purpose. It’ll be a miracle if they ever win anything!
I blame too many oooooooooo’s
Agreed. Fire everyone but the ball dudes!
Dano
Barph!!!!!!!
Lopez is warming up his oxygen tank
Lefty, if the Warriors manage to win this game do they have a chance of escaping the first round of the playoffs?
What I do know is if they lose this game I’m gonna punch myself in the face.
Maybe. I’m not being a hater, but I am a doubter. Even before KD was injured, they weren’t winning close games and/or games against elite teams. I just fear that their puffy stats are a bit of an illusion. Time will tell.
I just don’t understand how the best record in the NBA is an illusion.
Not a total illusion. They’re not the Lakers or the Nets. But do they have the staying power against good teams? I’m not convinced.
Well, I’m glad they’re not the Lakers or the Nets. :o). I just think you’re more hyper sensitive to your own team since that’s who you’re watching. And the bar is set high. But name any other team in the league who you view as a threat and I’m sure I can give you multiple reasons why they can’t win it all.
It’s the lack of success in close games that troubles me most. That’s a legit critique, I think.
I think the roster makeover played a part in that, guys still figuring out who takes what shot when. And it didn’t help that they had so many blowouts, they didn’t have as many opportunities to play through those situations and learn from them, whereas other teams play them almost every night. I don’t think it’s gonna bite them.
But this game is fun, isn’t it? And doesn’t Westbrook still owe Pachulia that payback that he promised? I hate him.
I hate him, too. Complete and total jerk. I’m rooting for anyone but Westbrook for the MVP.
And I would LOVE to see WB try to “pay back” Pachulia. Just let me grab my popcorn.
They came together after that absurd road trip. They’re baaaaaaaack
I hope so. I’m still from Missouri. They were playing Philly, Orlando, and Milwaukee.
They were playing 8 games in 13 days across 24* time zones AND lost Durant in the first leg…
* – approximation
No, I get why that was a rough stretch. If they win this one going away without KD, that’s a statement.
16
Kansas?
Wow
Ouch
I was 11 at the time of the 23 inning game with the Mets.
I was with my Mom and older sister somewhere in the general area of Dublin / San Ramon / Pleasanton.
My older sister horse showed western pleasure and trail that day.
The game(s), a double header, went on forever and I listened on the car radio, not that interested in the horse show.
When we got home to Danville that evening the game was still on and my grandmother was stuck to the radio,
That game was the game where Gaylord Perry became a force and remained so for many years.
I remember how open the valley was back in those days….Livermore was so far from 580…. Pleasanton was a tiny little town
( hey, I was grumpy yesterday…sorry if I came off snarky)
I was there as a child from 1959 to 1965.
There was no freeway, only then HW 24.
Good times with my friends was selling walnuts on HW24 on Fall weekends and riding our bikes the 6 miles into Walnut Creek to go to the Army-Navy Surplus.
I used to go with Mom and sometimes grandmother on SF Giants rooter buses from the parking lot of San Ramon High to Candlestick.
Never mind that, none of us are never edgy.
Boom
So, officially: Boom Trey?
David West is gonna really help them in the playoffs. Speights looked good in the regular season, especially in high octane games when he could just let it fly and defense wasn’t a priority. They never trusted him in the postseason, which I understand. West’s game will play in tight playoff games.
I agree, dear
“Players only” is a flawed idea
But “Members Only” was one helluva jacket.
Nothing quite as impressive as Larry Gatlin sporting the look
Unless it was Chris Gatling.
Nice scar, dude
It kinda fit him.
I have mine
Hate it. Professional PxP guy is a must.
Of the position players, none of the fringies seemed to help their cause,but nobody hurt it. As a way of showing how tight the races for those few spots available, only Fed-Ex and Jones are out of the running, although Rollins and Beckham are on life support.
IMO.
Beckhams done. But my anxiety rests with the #5 spot in the rotation.
I could list several things that Steve Kerr does better than Mark Jackson but the most obvious one that you see at least a couple times a game is the Warriors getting an easy bucket coming out of a timeout from a play he just drew up.
Way, way better coach.
Way, way better color announcer.
Way, way better human being (never ONCE used the term “my guys”…) (no, they weren’t)
You didn’t enjoy watching Jackson refuse to call a timeout when the opposition was on a 14-2 run?
Ughh
Actually, Jackson was good at that as well. It’s just about everything else that Kerr is better at.
Asst coach Michael Malone was in charge of those.
I knew that I was you I saw in their huddle.
“My name is Russell. Look at me…..LOOK AT MEEEEEE!!!!!!”
It’s not always that, Bro. Sometimes yes, but he works hard for his team.
specific to his tattered jeans pre-game look they were showing!
BUT….he works hard for himself first, team 2nd. I said this above: teammates are regressing, and he’s partly to blame
That’s true too.
Is Blach up tomorrow? With a good outing he might be able to end the competition. I’m still of the mind that Cain will either hit the DL or go to extended spring training.
Talk to you all tomorrow.
Giants website says Bumgarner vs Cahill (Padres), 1:05 p.m. PT, Scottsdale Stadium, MLB radio only. For Wednesday’s game, the Giants SP is listed as TBD.
How can you folks not be watching the wbc? Is there a paler Puerto Rican than Kike Hernandez?
Stupid comment
Seems like Seth Lugo and Alex Claudio don’t produce significant melanin either, but I was definitely watching as I will be tonight and tomorrow.
Last night’s tilt had a bit of everything, even Dave Groeschner coming out on the field. There were mental lapses, over-zealous pride, monster homeruns, concussion protocol testing, rifle arms, stellar plays in the field, almost old school blockage of home plate, instant replays on extremely close plays, fireballers on the bump, and a sac fly to end it all.
Bummer for Bam-Bam, Netherlands loses to Puerto Rico 4-3 in 11.
Bummer for me too with that 11th inning automatic-runners rule. I just hate it, even though PR managed to escape the manufactured jam, but then they advance because of it!
Isn’t MLB kicking that idea around – and the WBC is just the testing grounds? It wasn’t so bad, it worked, but instituting that rule in the 11th is too early. At least give the tied teams a couple of innings to untie themselves. Maybe start with runners on in the 13th? It’s very unnatural though.
I read that the main reason for that 11th inning rule in the WBC is so that they don’t overwork pitchers in March by going indefinitely. Jansen only threw 9 pitches for the Netherlands because the Dodgers insisted one inning and that’s it.
Anyway, it’s a different deal in MLB, and I doubt it will ever happen.
Exactly. I was quite surprised when Edwin Diaz came in for the 11th. They mentioned that he would be one inning limited as was Kenley. Seattle GM was probably ulcerating. Quite a rookie year for that guy. Over 15 K/9 IP last year. 18 saves.
I certainly hope that last sentence is true. Doing this in the ASG and the WBC has its point, though, as they are exhibition games. In the regular season, the Japanese pro league plays up to three extra innings, and then declares the game a tie. That would be fine for the ASG, and even in the early rounds of the WBC, but can’t apply in the knockout round.
Are you kidding me? Don’t start it before the 100th inning.
You’re definitely correct. But if some crazy rule of expedience is going to be instituted because of the powers that be, may as well angle for some compromise.
Very impressive win by the Warriors. Best I’ve seen them play since KD went down. Answering the challenge–that what the elite teams do. Warriors took my Thunder out of their game early, and our guys imploded from there. Poor defensive rebounding and missed free throws hurt, but OKC is not an upper tier playoff team this year.
The Dubs started getting it together in the 2nd half of their first home game (after the Trip From Hell) against the Sixers, and have now rolled everyone since – a 4 game stretch. The mental adjustments to not having KD took awhile. The physical toll of that trip…but they are now in the home stretch.
From the outside, it sure looks like the rest of the team around Westbrook has regressed as they stand and watch him, fully expecting him to decide what happens at every moment. Great talent. Pea brain
Westbrook has had some of his worst games of the year against the Warriors. I think they’re in his head, between his disdain for Curry, his grudge against Durant, and I’m guessing he doesn’t like Green very much, either. Oh, and he was going to “get” Zaza, too, right? He attempted some crazy-looking shots as the W’s were starting to roll last night, like he was desperate.
I think you’re right. The Dubs have played well against us, and that just makes it worse. I’ll continue to say, though–he’s the heart and soul of the team and he puts the team on his back nearly every game. He just needs more talent around him. I’m confident Presti and Donovan will fix that.
It sure looks to be a bit chicken and egg: Adams is a Top 5 center (or better). Oladipo is solid if not spectacular. Kanter is young but talented…I will stand firm in that Westbrook’s style is hurting his teammates development. there is “putting a team on his back”, and there is “taking the ball and running away”.
The reason Monta Ellis was a terrible fir for the Warriors is because the ball was in his hands for about 20 out of every 24 second clock. Those around him immediately blossomed when he left. Russell would do his team a favor by letting go and letting others carry the team more
I’ll have to take your word for it, since really the only time I’ve seen him play is vs. the Warriors, and he doesn’t impress. But obviously he’s had a monster year, stats-wise. It’s just hard to take someone seriously as a “heart and soul” of a team when he’s so disrespectful towards others. He just seems like a real jerk. I understand why he’s miffed at Durant, but his rudeness towards Curry these last couple years is pretty uncalled-for and inexcusable, IMO.
Regressed? Name a star player around him? Their only chance of winning is Westbrook doing Westbrook. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t.
That will work as well as Harden v Harden, and Kobe v Kobe and Lebron V Lebron. You need the supporting cast
Your point has little to do with mine.
Regressed? Steven Adams would be a star on many other teams. Roberson looks way worse. Now, this could be because they just aren’t getting better…but the biggest issue that OKC has is that Russell believes what you said. It’s not a winning formula in the long run
Adams is a nice player, but a potential “star” and a top 5 center? Neither the numbers nor the eye test back that up.
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the Kiwi…watch him get there once freed from the role of observer
He doesn’t have a lot of offensive game, and his rebounding and blocked totals, neither of which have anything to do with how much Westbrook controls the ball, are particularly impressive.
Shout out to ClutchUp – Vladimir Balentin is his guy. He’d be buffalo roaming LF and blasting moonshots to the Giant Glove if it was up to CU.
Shout out to dgg. I’m pretty sure she also selected Parker for the coveted opening day left field gig.
And dgg is the only one that predicted Will Smith would be on the DL. Maybe that is her doctor’s eye? And so she has Osich and Okert on the 25Man; and Parker and Williamson both on there too.
The suspense builds. The plot thickens. Intrigue abounds.
Is Kelby a lock or will his option chain him to the rock known as AAA?
Who will be the 2nd bullpen lefty? Ty Blach?
Who will be Parker’s counterpart in LF?
Will Hwang accept assignment to AAA or will Giants have to roster him?
I think it will take all 24+ predictions for one of us to get it right. Many variables there; do the math.
And will Ramirez replace Gearrin?
Does he look as nasty as his numbers indicate?
In 2014 as a rookie with the Cubs he had a 1.44 ERA in 50 games pitched .
I put Smith on my DL on Sunday, in order to save the optionless Gearrin. Not having him for most of the season would be a significant blow. But room for the young Giants to grow up in, perhaps?
So did I, even before this latest news. Haven’t submitted yet, but I have both Smith and Cain opening on the DL.
I got that change on your predictions and others may take the same route if Smith is confirmed to be down for a while.
25Man Predictions are welcome here.
24 [love that number] of us made MyGuy™ predictions on Feb. 25; all of you can now update those for March 25 or new folks enter in.
Basically what did these guys look like from the back of their baseball cards but now what do you think after a month of games?
Give your predictions in reply to any HaakAway post so I can write it down and see who gets the closest among all of us FakeGMs™.
Guys in the NBA think Steph is a punk mainly because he doesnt walk around with a stupid scowl on his face as if he’s trying to scare everyone ! Steph pound for pound is a very strong man and imho would rip the shi. out of Russell W! Westbrook talks a lot and has always had a jealous disdain for Steph since day 1!
U cray Slikk, Westbrook would smash Curry in a sec.
That being said, that’s not Curry’s game but it was good to see him get emotional and physical (he actually instigated it when you really look at it).
Dubs have a number of games this season where they have showed no heart, neeed to get that going before play offs.
I give steph a pass on the instigation. You know it is a head game, they pound him on drives to the rim, when ever he cuts inside are darts around. They hit him with hips, elbows and buts. Showing that he is not intimidated and can dish out as well is good for him and his game.
Matt Barnes/Draymond Green: No problem
Westbrook wins in a fist fight, but he was outclassed big time on the floor last night. He would get lost on defense and lose focus while Steph was moving without the ball. Both teams played without KD last night and the Warriors still dominated in OKC.
Westbrook does need better shooters around him, but the Warriors are also the best in the league in defending the perimeter. Their big guys also play smart against Westbrook and jump straight up while he is out of control going to the basket.
When Kerr became their coach, the Warriors became the best team in the NBA at spacing and ball movement. Factor in dead eye shooters like Steph and Klay they’re nearly unbeatable. Impressive W last night w/o KD.
Will Smith aaah say it aint so damnit you never know about these pitchers! For some strange reason im not to concerned about the fresh prince !
It’s ironic that Will Smith’s injury could be good news for Matt Cain:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2017/3/20/14990922/2017-san-francisco-giants-will-smith-elbow-injury-bullpen
“Though Ty Blach is more likely to challenge Matt Cain for the fifth spot in the rotation, he could see some time in the bullpen if necessary. Kraig Sitton, Matt Reynolds, and Michael Roth are the other left-handers hanging around Arizona, though none of them are on the 25-man roster and would require the Giants to make a roster move.” Yuck.
I’m officially pushing the panic button on Smith. Second time in a relatively short period he’s experiencing elbow pain. I just really hope it’s not season ending, Giants really need him at the back end of the pen.
This one is perfect for this crowd.
“Brain fog” is not a medical condition. It’s a term used for certain symptoms that can affect your ability to think. (period)
[raises hand]
[waving back at Bapah]
It’s a mirror, son.
Barry Bonds: “I am excited to be back home with the Giants and join the team in an official capacity. San Francisco has always been …
Tim Flannery tweets:
“Hey baseball experts, you don’t like the game don’t watch it, leave it alone, rent a movie..too long for your mind. Play video games. Stinks”
They found a way to shorten the game at least for me. I will shut the tv off every time you just put runners on base. Pussyfied the game.Out
I’m out of my mind tonight. I was loving the theatre, drama, the stories, then you turned the game into a scrimmage. See you opening day.
Did Trump put this rule into the WBC..it don’t make baseball great again, he’s on a roll…
Goodnight…my last thought. I rather see both managers decide game with dizzy dizzy bat race than just hypothetically change the energy.
Ditto!
Here we not only have your tale of a 22 inning game, but about three others below have expressed themselves semi-poetically about it. Absolutely no one will remember a runner gifted onto base in the 11th, even one month later.
By the way, your post above is pretty epic.
Total bullshit.
Which? Flannery’s comments, or the events of the latter innings?
Adding the penalty kick in the 11th inning. What a feckin’ travesty.
Actually, a PK somewhere in the game might be entertaining.
Here’s the story on BB25 coming home.
http://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/article/Giants-hire-Bonds-as-special-assistant-11017100.php?cmpid=twitter-premium
Think back in recent history and tell me that some of the most recent welcome acquisitions were NOT, Panik’s call-up, Duffy’s promotion and placement in the line-up at third, Etc.
Your fond memories will not include Rollins, Beckham, or any other re-treads making this team.
Sweet Jesus, Bobby, Sabey, Big Head, get your Scheiss together.
Think back about how many “retreads” have been key contributors in the last few years. You’re semi-smart, give it thought and get back to me.
As to Crawford “finally” being put into the starting line-up- he was in the starting lineup right away, had a slam on day one.
No, he wasn’t.
There were, at least, two others
Nope, check the game logs.
Let’s ask around, you and I may have Brain Fog.
My memory sucks, but Renteria and Cabrera were there, no?
Tejada and Cabera, Renteria was not on the Giants in 2011.
Thanks
Crawford came up in late May, not ready , but started right away- sucked, Cabrera was picked up late, he sucked too.Crawford became the starter for good in 2012,
He sucked so bad the pitchers wanted to keep him at SS – instead they got OCabo and Tenada for the rest of that stinking season. (Tenada may have washed out after he refused to sacrifice bunt.) That also may have been the season we saw:
2B, Huff.
Tejada played 3rd after Craw came up.
Huff played one game at 2nd base in 2012,The republic survived , Never in 2011.
Yeah – then they got Cabrera and sent him down.
They gave him over 200 ABs- he was still at the Mendoza line, so they picked up Cabrera- it didn’t work out, but the idea that he wasn’t given a chance is total bullshit. And then as I said, he became the starter for good the next year.
Yes. They made the very wise decision of sending down a young guy who was a poor hitter but excellent fielder so they could play an old guy who was a poor hitter and poor fielder.
exactly…some folks live on revisionist history and selective information
Crawford was an emergency call up. He wasn’t ready and they knew he wasn’t ready. Maybe you can scour your brain and remember how crazy the situation was. Regardless of how it turned out, Crawford was better off that he was sent down. His confidence at the plate was shot.
You need to give this one up, pal. The Giants were in a pennant race and made a dumb decision based on the apparent philosophy that any veteran must be better than any rookie. Defense is the #1 requirement at shortstop, and they had that with Crawford out there. Cabrera gave them nothing at all. Whether Crawford was better off being sent down is debatable, but the only relevant consideration at that point was whether the team was better off. It clearly wasn’t.
They clearly were not winning it with Crawford that year. It would have hurt him to keep sending him out there. AND it would not help the team if he had stayed up.
“Total bullshit.” Sure. Even @ .200 he was better than OCab, who couldn’t hit or field. Craw’s value was in the field, but he got shipped out after his first slump. Replacing him with that washed-up bum was a stupid move that destabilized the IF and sent the team into a death spiral.
The whole point of this argument is to avoid giving regular jobs to washed-up bums, isn’t it?
OK,we can argue this all day, but the original comments were about
how long it was before he became a starter. I gave the correct answer, and I’m always here to help you.
the retreads that DID succeed were when there weren’t better options – the idea of Rollins isn’t the “retread that can contribute” category, but rather the “Cabrera?!?!?!?!?!” category. Regardless of the Team Retread Support Group’s claims
My understanding is the only guys with a chance to make the team are Hill, Hwang, [backup CF] and possibly Morse. My understanding is Rollins and Beckham have absolutely no shot. Did I miss something other than Rollins is in the lineup today?
Today’s lineup vs. The Friars:
3/21 #SFGSpring lineup vs SD:
Span CF
Panik 2B
Pence RF
Parker LF
Marrero 1B
Gillaspie 3B
Hundley C
Rollins SS
Bumgarner P
Hmmm. Kelby not at SS again. How can this be interpreted?
Perhaps just giving Rollins every opportunity to prove he does not have enough in the tank?
That’s the only rational interpretation.
Oh, NOW you’re including “rational” into the equation?
and what fans and management see as the rational way aren’t always the same path.
the object is SS coverage. If not Kelby, or Rollins, then who?
Nunez? Hwang? Panik?
I think we saw Nuñez @ SS last season. Panik was signed as a SS. But then you gotta play Huff @ 2B again.
LOL — Huff at second was pretty funny. Morse came up as a SS — I kid you not. That would even be funnier than when Huff tried to play second.
I see no way that Rollins makes the team.
Huff must have been REALLY funny -he played *one* game there 5 years ago.
Yer just grumpy today.
I’m in a fine mood. You made it even better.
:-/
Nunez , he is a Shortstop, that happens to be playing 3rd base for the Giants, because the Giants have a Gold Glove Shortstop already on the roster .
If you know how these things go, it probably means that Kelby is the front runner.
my sense is that the fans watching the games, and following closely in some capacity have Kelby as the front runner. But the Giants know how to mix in the curveball and keep everyone guessing.
Is your feeling that Kelby is the undisputed front runner for the job and that bad things would have to happen for him to start season in Sacramento?
Kelby has an option but he’s not going down unless somebody else forces the issue.
IMO.
You see, when you put “IMO” at the end of your statement, the resolute certainty I am looking for goes out the window.
Is Kelby a Kryptonite lock, or more of a double knot holding the barn door shut?
I only add the IMO to give you folks a chance to prove me wrong. Never happens.
If anyone pushes KT to the minors–and no one should, but I can’t rule it out–it would likely be Hill or Hwang.
Hwang most likely with Morse to DL
Sacramento…
for Kelby, I hope not. For Rollins, NFL.
Will Smith MRI bad, could need TJ surgery .
Any other details?
Here’s what Schulman posted:
Henry Schulman @hankschulman 7m7 minutes ago
Smith MRI seems to indicate UCL issue with Smith. Not good. Heading to SF to see Dr. Akizuki. This is not going to be short-term. #sfgiants
Too bad as I really like Smith. Get the TJ surgery done now and he could be ready by next season as the Giants control him through 2019. IMO this makes the 5th starter all the more important as they cannot have Cain only going 4-5 innings and taxing the now thinner pen every fifth start.
Baggerly tweets, going to see Giants team doctor in San Francisco, do not know if he needs TJ surgery, either way will be out for a long time .
“This is not good folks”
They will be OK. Huff is coming back to join the pitching staff- when he isn’t playing 2nd base.
David Huff, the lefty pitcher? You know what they say about teaching your kids to throw rocks left handed? They’ll always have work.
I was joking- the dunderheads down there in the boiler room are still freaked because Aubrey Huff played one game at 2nd base in 2012.
Damn…poor dude. Hope he recovers
I figured this would be the case after leaving the game with elbow pain only a few weeks before previously missing ST action with elbow soreness. I would not count on seeing him this year. Hope I’m wrong, but the Giants need to be prepared to be without him.
Could = Will. Just a matter of time.
Best repeated news of the camp @extrabaggs Barry Bonds is joining Giants as a special advisor to CEO Larry Baer.
Does this mean BB25 will be on the biz (as opp/to baseball) side of things?
Yes but they won’t be able to keep a bat out of his hands when players start gawking at him in Scottsdale.
Wladimir Balentien says “hello”.
I was recruiting him for Sabes since Dave Roberts left the G’s. 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1jnWQkdSI8
You must have seen what he was up to last night. He was a monster in WBC!
I believe his legal consumption of vitamins to be off the charts…
I believe it. Beast mode.
Carlos Correa looks ready to absolutely take off. 40 HRs, 110 RBIs, MVP…
He’s filling out nicely, hopefully with sanctioned products.
Hensley Muelens, white courtesy telephone…..
Actually Muelens with his communication skills IE 5 languages will make a good MLB manager – a much better Skipper than say Barry would. Barry has no patience and Bam Bam has been know to have almost too much.
Muelens is ready to Manage in the Bigs.
http://abc7news.com/sports/hensley-meulens-wants-mlb-managerial-job-after-wbc-showing/1808134/
I agree. Sooner than later perhaps. His Dutch squad continues to show above their talent level
My guess on Rollins is that he will decide to retire and it would be arranged that he would retire as a Philly.
Wait for it…
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A male weightlifter, in his 30s, decides that he identifies as a woman. Then, after lowering his/her testosterone level with hormones, enters a female weightlifting contest and crushes the competition. Fairness, not political correctness, should rule in athletic competition.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/34720066/kiwi-transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbards-win-causes-stir-among-female-aussie-competitors/#page1
Huff again!
Didn’t something like this happen in reverse in Texas a couple weeks ago? A girl wrestler (high school) was transitioning to being a boy and taking testosterone. The state laws insisted she wrestle as her birth gender (girl). She won the state championship, arguably unfairly because the testosterone gave her an advantage. In this case, though, the state laws dictated the process.
Sir Hensley has been put on notice. Bonds is in the building
Bam-Bam is safe.
For now…..
When Bam-Bam leaves it will be when he gets a manager’s job. And he will get one- maybe even here.
That’s an interesting view, and contrarian enough to be up to Scott standards. You would really pick Sir Bam-Bam over Wotus?
I didn’t say that. I said that Bam-Bam might get the gig here. I do think that Wotus deserves it. I hope that both of them will be managers. Hardly contrarian of me. Sorry.
Both is a great answer!
Barry isn’t going to travel like that anymore. Look at the articles surrounding his exit from the Marlins. He was losing interest.
Well that’s a bummer…yet convenient.
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Morse (hamstring) said to be out “a while.” Brutal break for him, he was on track to be on opening day roster.
Good thing we signed Bonds to a consulting deal. I love. Michael Morse, but I would think that he could still play a better left field and hit better than Morse right this minute
Based upon his weight, I would think he could pass any tests they throw at him now.
BTW…very impressive collection!
He was on the 25. I would guess Hwang just made the club unless they go 3 catchers
I like Hwang. I didn’t like the idea of them risking losing him, since he can opt out if he doesn’t make the team.
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With all of these sad developments:
–cross out Morse and Mac for the 25-man roster out of camp
–Smith to the 60-day DL, opens up a 40-man spot for someone like Hwang or Hill
–Will Blach or Osich be the lefty out of the bullpen along with Okert?
–Does this mean Cain is absolutely the #5 starter (if Blach’s in the pen), or is there a chance that it’s Beede time?
Good news for: Marrero, Hill, and Hwang. Mac and Morse were strong competition for a RH power bat off the bench. One or two of those guys will get a spot on the roster.
Mixed news for: Blach. On the one hand, he may be with the big club all year, taking Smith’s spot. On the other, career-wise, it’s better to be in a starting rotation.
Bad news for: Smith, obviously. And the Giants in general. Even if Blach takes Smith’s spot in the pen–and I feel good that Blach can succeed at doing that–it has the effect of weakening the rotation substantially if Cain becomes the default choice rather than the merit choice.
I don’t think this is a loss per se if Beede gets the ball in May rather than Blach with Blach in the pen. Long term that might be where both ended up depending on Cueto re-upping.
Big IF on Beede, but yes, I’d agree he has the most upside of any.
I missed it , what happend to Morse? How come he’s out?
Pulled his left hamstring rounding first base yesterday. Saying he might be out “for a while.”
thanks – just saw tweet.
you know what they say: when it reigns, it pores.
I know…Hill, Morse, Brown, Morris. Makes you wonder how many more will fall before the season begins. (Granted some of these are probably minor injuries.)
It would be too good to be true if no injuries. As long as likes of Buster, Crawford, Bumgarner and Cueto are healthy, they will survive.
Bochy to Mike Murphy: “Bubble wrap. Murph, bring me more bubble wrap.”
I had to look up who “Morris” was. I thought it was just another Duane Kuiper joke.
Hurt his hammy during the game yesterday, apparently badly enough that he has no shot to make the team out of camp now.
All these injuries with Bonds coming aboard as a special assistant at the same time. Is it a curse? I say this because the Giants have had success without him in any type of capacity in the front office the last 8 seasons. I say it jokingly, though it is quite the coincidence.
Come opening day I don’t think that Matt will be on the 25-man. Blach will probably get the 5 but he’s not a lock to be on the team at all. Besides Beede, and maybe even more so, Stratton could be back on the radar.
2 weeks is an eternity- especially with all the injuries. Players can drop out of it, and get right back in. I don’t even rule out Ruggie.
IMO.
Yeah, I’d say Ruggiano is still in the mix, especially with neither Span nor Gorkys having a great spring (he can play CF) and Mac and Morse injured. Ruggiano is, after all, an actual outfielder, unlike Hill, Hwang, or Beckham.
You raise a good point about Stratton, in part because the Giants will be looking to manage Beede’s innings in 2017. If Cain is not able and Blach goes to the bullpen, it could be Stratton filling in for awhile.
The loss of Smith isn’t going to keep this team from the playoffs, the lack of good hitters will. Is there a good replacement for Smith internally? Probably. Can they just push everyone up in the order and put the new guy at the bottom of the list? If it had to happen atleast it happened before everyone had settled into their role.
It looks like a good LU.
Well, other than the obvious (Blach, Osich, Okert), they also have Matt Reynolds in camp (who pitched briefly for them last year), and Matt Gage was a lefty starter in AA last year who had a nice season for them. That’s about all I can think of, though. They drafted a high-risk/high-upside lefty, Matt Krook, last year, but he’s a long ways off, if ever.
Josh was on the verge of a disastrous outing yesterday but he got out of it with minimal damage-and now he might be the front runner to join Okert on the staff. Really sad about Will. With his injury history, this might even be career ending.
Yes, big bummer about Smith. The bullpen just went from pretty solid to a little scary. Hope Josh puts it all together, as he maybe has the best stuff of any of those guys.
What’s the ETA for the “other” Suarez, I think Andrew is his first name? He was a high draft pick in maybe 2013-2014? Grasping at straws, I know. My first reply to a good buddy in Central Calif (re Smith loss) was similar to yours. The “good young lefties” are already here!
Ehire seems to have a chance to stick with the Twins and Runzler might have a shot at making the Bucs. It would be a long way back for Dan, you have to root for the guy.
The Giants vs Mets game lasted 23 innings, not 22 ………..
Surf Maui, I enjoyed the game on Wednesday. Thank you for entertaining me.
Any Chance you have extra blank Official Giants or A’s scorebooks? What’s the Score used to have a surpluss, but now these seem to be out of print.
Surf … I answered the Mike Cameron and Bret Boone question correctly TWICE but Disqus is throwing my answers away. Sigh. Your hint about Seattle, 2002 was google-able. I googled “Seattle 2002 two homers one inning”. That Disqus is going crazy there’s no doubt as all the “replies” below are months old.