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GreekGiant
Tonight’s Game: Giants (81-72) Vs Padres (64-89) at Tony Gwynn Park, 7:40 pm (Thanks a lot Padres!)
Albert Suarez (3-4, 4.16) vs Edwin Jackson (4-6, 6.00)
The Starting Lineups
Giants
1. Span CF
2. Pagan LF
3. Posey C
4. Pence RF
5. Belt 1B
6. Nunez 3B
7. Panik 2B
8. Adrianza
9. SS Suarez P
Padres
1. Jay CF
2. Asuaje 2B
3. Myers 1B
4. Schimpf 3B
5. Dickerson LF
6. Renfroe RF
7. Hedges C
8. Sardinas SS
9. Jackson P
The Giants take on the Padres tonight in San Diego at 7:40 Pacific. For us East-Coasters, that is a late start. SurfMaui is coming over to my place for the pajama party. I will have coffee and Greek butter cookies on hand.
The Last Time the Giants Faced Edwin Jackson Things Were Not Pretty
After last night’s nail-biter, our baseballers from San Francisco will try to wake up those somnambulant bats with a dose of Edwin Jackson. The veteran journeyman (all of 33 years-old) is known for his fastball and his stature on the mound). The last time he faced the Giants he beat them into submission with his junk-ball varietals… It was a most mind-numbing performance watching the Giants go down so meekly against a pitcher no other team in the Major Leagues even wanted. Since then Jackson has given up 12 home runs in 72 innings pitched with a WHIP of 1.61 and an opponent’s batting average of .292.
The Padres have played well in the second half and are in full youth movement mode. Rich in promising talent with players like Ryan Schrimpf, Will Myers, Hunter Renfroe, and Carlos Asuaje, this is a team that may turn into a legitimate threat in the National League West in future years.
For the Giants, Albert Suarez is primed to take that Vogelsong leap from MLB scrap heap pickup to rotation mainstay. The big burly right-hander possesses a respectable fastball and represents a chance for the Giants to claim a dominant rotation.
Some Questions
- Is Joe Panik finally out of his slump?
- How hurt is Buster Posey?
- When will the Padres finally figure out a proper color scheme for their branding?
- Who will be in center field for the Giants?
Every game is a playoff game now. The Cardinals got humbled by Jake Arrieta and the Cubs earlier today which means our Giants and the New York Mets are tied for the first spot in the Wild Card while St. Louis is one game behind.
Breckeroni says Dismissing the Giants? Not so fast
http://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/jenkins/article/Dismissing-the-Giants-Not-so-fast-9240645.php
If he brings his thong, make a run for it
1. Denard Span (L) CF
2. Angel Pagan (S) LF
3. Buster Posey (R) C
4. Hunter Pence (R) RF
5. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
6. Eduardo Nunez (R) 3B
7. Joe Panik (L) 2B
8. Ehire Adrianza (S) SS
gitterdunn
When is Crawford coming back?
Haven’t heard.
Thanks, Mike.
they think Sat.
Will evaluate in AM
Suarez to face :
Jay
Asuaje
Myers
Detlef Schimpf
Dickerson
Renfroe
Hedges
Sardinas
Jackson
(that’s not a bad Friar lineup)
NINETY FEET OF PERFECTION
https://90feetofperfection.com/2016/09/23/jackie-ritchey-dimaggio-odoul-wagner-cobb-bouton/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/01/sports/baseball/george-shuba-whose-handshake-heralded-racial-tolerance-in-baseball-dies-at-89.html?_r=0
On April 18th, 1946 in Jersey City, New Jersey, Jackie Robinson made his professional debut in MLB affiliated baseball as a member of the The Montreal Royals of the International League. The Royals opened the season against the Jersey City Giants and blew them out to a score of 14 to 1. On top of breaking the color barrier, Jackie also went 4 for 5 with a home run, scored 4 runs, knocked in 4 RBIs, stole 2 bases and even forced 2 balk calls while on the base paths. In other words, he had one hell of a day.
The most famous moment from that game came after Jackie hit his home run and was greeted by teammate, George Shuba with a handshake. People always talk about Pee Wee Reese supposedly putting his arm around Jackie in Cincinnati in 1947, but this is the moment that should be celebrated, due to the fact it happened over a year before and that there’s photographic evidence proving that it actually took place. Shuba passed away in 2014 and after his death, the New York Times wrote a great article about his life that’s worth reading. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5ce9da0ef3c9fa8dd008cf22962be5cc7c2716ebfb0a0f8c5c4c3f6f8073cea.jpg
Another East Coaster here, and I’ll be staying up for the entire game as long as the result is in doubt. Yes, GG–we gotta hit! And we owe this guy Edwin Jackson.
Tomorrow afternoon will be another big game for Greek Giant and me: My Tennessee Volunteers hosting his Florida Gators. They have beaten us 12 consecutive years, and we’re way tired of that! Go Rocky Top!
Big Game Indeed TF. The Gators lost their starting QB. This could be the year for Tennessee.
We’re hurting as well. Two defensive stalwarts are out, and our best defensive player (Jalen Reeves-Maybin) is a game time decision.
Saturday morning ESPN Gameday from Knoxville, CBS game of the week (at 3:30 PM EDT), Vern Lundquist and Gary Danielson calling the action.
SEC East a wide open battle between Georgia, Florida and Tennessee IMHO.
Great word choice above – very Joycean, like tales of brave Ulysses and “somnambulent peregrinations”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8hLc_nqx8g
Good Schtuff. Is that Clapton’s old group?
Why yes, but I confess I don’t know the whole Cream story of how Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker, and EC came together.
Bill Center 28min ago:
Fri. #Padres: Jay (L) CF, Asuaje (L) 2B, Myers 1B, Schimpf (L) 2B, Dickerson (L) LF, Renfroe RF, Hedges C, Sardinas (S) SS, Jackson RHP
Updated with Starting Lineups. Refresh Your Browsers!
Atta Babe
I’d like to re-boot ol’ BigHead
It’ll pass in a zin moment or two.
Thank you for doing this GG, really appreciate it!
Some Questions from GG. Oh no I got that backwards – from GG.
Is Joe Panik finally out of his slump? Probably yes (or no)
How hurt is Buster Posey? Very much so. News will be available during the off season
When will the Padres finally figure out a proper color scheme for their branding? “Turdish” Puppy Brown
Who will be in center field for the Giants? Yes
You know I think Posey has a problem a bit like Kershaws.
Opie has disc issues, herniated is what was discussed, but not positive.
Buster’s seem like something else, butt hoo nose?
We know he has lower back issues. Everyone assumes it just catcher trauma, but I wonder.
This just fng great. Tonight we get to watch the Padres turn singles to doubles on base hits up the middle just off center line. WTH
Oh look Spagan again. And Panik at 7th. It’s like Groundhog Day. Must be Bochy’s favorite movie.
Unfortunately payroll dictates this line up.
Giants Way, #3n5 …
I cannot determine whether to pan fry the Spagan or broil it?
they won last night, why not relive it again.
Span did not start last night .
Riiiiight.
Ooops it all sounds what I just wrote above.
It is that time again – 2016 World Baseball Classic Qualifier Umps – Brooklyn
http://www.closecallsports.com/2016/09/2016-world-baseball-classic-qualifier.html
Umpires for the 2016 World Baseball Classic Qualifier (Brooklyn Stage) convened in Brooklyn, New York, USA and officiated the final round of qualifying games for the upcoming 2017 WBC, featuring teams from Brazil, Great Britain, Israel, and Pakistan. Six games were scheduled from September 22 – September 25.
The unlikely alliance: Colin Kaepernick and the Seahawks
http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/The-unlikely-alliance-Colin-Kaepernick-and-the-9240549.php
Nice Ty Blach story
http://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/Giants-update-Behind-Ty-Blach-s-rise-plus-9242979.php
Todays Giants Pre Game Notes
http://mlb.mlb.com/documents/8/7/8/202914878/9.23.16_at_SD_p1rj89s2.pdf
This Date in Giants History: September 23, 2001
The Giants defeated the Padres, 11-2, as Barry Bonds hit his 65th and 66th home runs of the season…the homers gave Bonds a Major League record 34 on the road…he also broke Babe Ruth’s Major League mark for most home runs over two seasons by a left-handed batter (115)
Friars PreGame Notes
http://mlb.mlb.com/documents/3/4/6/202944346/Padres_Game_Notes_September_23_2016_vs._SF_y0cpth2h.pdf
Those Phightin’ Phils given Gaby Ynoa and the Mets all they can handle…
yeah, who’s Gaby Ynoa ?
Will this moron EVER learn? You win one with a different lineup, sooooo let’s go back to what DIDN’T work. That must be what we have to do, right?
Head shaking…
What happens if they win tonight? You want absolution, or just a beer?
It has to have worked sometime in the past or why would he keep doing it, right?
Be patient, Yoda can help. Got his number, Padawan?.
Is that what they call that thing at the bottom of a Mezcal bottle?
No, I think Padawan is what’s often found in Pulque.
It feels like snot, at first, but later… oohwee. One of the worst headaches I’ve ever earned.
Well, my favorite was to dip crusty bread in it or corn bread., Then eat pickled jalapeno’s while smiling. Doesn’t taste good if you frown. This Apache kid I went to college with taught me the best way to enjoy it.
I think they can, and should, win….but even you must admit that the ongoing hope that certain players will change over the last 10 games ( some in areas they are wholly incapable of changing whatsoever) is odd.
Chef pointed out that Span has gotten on base 11 times in 5 games. As a stat unto itself, that’s quite acceptable….his throwing has gotten so embarrassing that it can’t be logically defended.
I’m a sort of a play the ones I’m holding sort of guy. LOL. Defense, I guess next years problem. The fact that he’s a pie thrower wasn’t a secret when they got him. Evan’s rules of the road.
Scout said something yesterday about how maybe Span needs shoulder surgery. Made me wonder if his arm has always been this much of a liability. I don’t really know–does anyone else?
I don’t recall the word ‘rifle’ ever being used about his arm.
No, me either–but yikes. Ever since spring training, every team knows to go ahead and run on the Giants’ outfield.
You know who has a great arm? Mac Williamson. 15 outfield assists in his first full year as a pro.
And Gorkys. Sighhhh
You got to show you can hit at least 270ish and be able to adjust over time.
And it helps to be given the opportunity to try and prove it.
Whoops.
http://stats.csnbayarea.com/mlb/teamreports.asp?tm=26&report=stats
I think Scout is a great promoter of Span, and he really wants Denard to show he’s worthy. I am shocked, personally, at how tremendously bad his arm is…and it has been so all year.
Whether surgery allows for improvement, I doubt it can create a serviceable arm.
I want to believe. First there has to be a cause for surgery and that’s just my hope. How could SF scouts have missed that – I would gladly replace the errant party.
I am also ready to believe in Michael Taylor.
Always bet on black.
Reverse racism, why is that acceptable , if the other way , it is the biggest sin in mankind .
Agreed. To me the defense is an even bigger issue right now.
Actually, although his arm is not strong enough to the plate he’s quick to the ball and gets rid of it quickly. So he’s fine on throws to the bases- as seen last night.
I was hoping his release was quicker to compensate, but he’s clutched a couple times.
Chef…he triple pumps and runs into the throw like one of those cricket dudes. I know we don’t agree on him. I personally see him as the worst defender in the league because of the load and throw
When in doubt, exaggerate and use colorful imagery. But there is some accuracy to your reporting.
Thanks…pump…it’s what he does
Hope he does you wrong by doing good 😊
Back to Casilla- it’s been a whole minute.
Am I wrong?
Mostly. But really,,i was just trying to do you a favor.
Hey, how come you aren’t tearing Bapah a new one for name calling? I demand equal treatment! (You were right, BTW.)
He makes me laugh, and just be can’t be taken seriously. You, are serious, and scare me. ;-). I’m a member to the stupid sex. Seen Ms. Clinton’s new TV ad with the little girls. Wickedly powerful stuff.
I saw that. It was pretty effective, IMO.
Bochy suckage to span and pagan.
Really sickening.
I just do not get it.
You guys keep this grousing up, we’re going to need a new collective noun.
Goodness, wojleftybapah.
Post of the day
Are you referring to Boris?
No.
Despite the win they have to play MUCH better
* Posey’s throw could have gone into CF…
* Nunez has to know Panik IN instead of hitting into a force out fielders choice…
* Pagan’s Dug snort RBI could have been caught and Panik may have been out at home if Meyers…
* One or both of Nunez’s one hop throws to Belt almost …
* Law cannot locate many pitches like he did to Dickerson…
* Adrianza’s game ending throw almost ate Belt alive…
Night All – Night Allen. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f325891612684e440fa829968a0aa7393c4232230cf626d5a1c40358bf419f3.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/db1c8deafef446c73197a2232868708a96a0c177e98fccdde1ca8e4a981b91d5.png
Pretty crappy report card. Yet…
I need a new drug… ♫♫
Couldn’t agree more. Only problem is tonight we have two chicken wing arms in the outfield. Yeah and right after Belt dug out that game ending throw he gave EA the ol’ snake eye.
i think you mean that YOU gave him “ol’ snake eye.”
” Nunez has to know Panik IN instead of hitting into a force out fielders choice…”
I’d guess that he kinda knows that,Clutch.
Thanks Chef
Even if Bochy were to pull this season out of his nether regions, I won’t let this go. If I have to take this to the Ultimate Arbiter. I will definitely pull strings.
Crawford still odds on for Willie Mac?
Maybe they could just not give one this year. “Inspirational” doesn’t especially describe the 2016 Giants.
Cueto?
He’d be the one, I’d say.
Yeah, he’ll probably win it. I’m guessing it won’t be Casilla.
Or Crawford. He’s probably been the most consistent all around player, plus he’s in charge of the music
Willie Mac on hiatus for 2016 award. But if the award is given out, I say give it to Duffy again.
He was in the clubhouse and on this team for over half this year. Why no give it to Duff?
There is some value in team chemistry. It’ll send a message to the FO.
Many inspire few are called
Even 85′ was inspirational enough
Cueto
Greek I like how you are thinking here. I think Cueto and the way he keeps smiling and seems to always be at ease can win the award. He has always battled, every game, even when the team has not given him enough run support and those blown saves.
My second choice would be Crawford and it’s obvious he is the backbone of the infield, his defense and his clutch hitting.
Third I will say Posey, I think he has played hurt for a while, still the bedrock of the team, the leader, his defense is as good or better than before. I think the team knows this and can see him getting a lot of votes for playing injured and not saying anything. They had no choice really, with Brown the only other C on the team for most of the season.
That works for me and Willie
Yeah, I think so.
Just popped over to Baggs’s latest–the postgame article from last night–to see how much action there was. Answer: not much–maybe 5-6 comments since last night.
Someone named Sue said how she’s happy to see Romo instead of Casilla and some negative things about Casilla. Nothing over the top and nothing we haven’t all said a million times. Sam AKA Unknown jumped down her throat, saying she must have “extreme emotional hormonal imbalance” to be so negative about Casilla and later called her a “loony liberal.” What a charmer.
“and nothing we haven’t all said a million times”
I think that a million is a tad low 😉
sue coulda been a boy named
Mets just scored 6, and now lead the Phillies 7 to 3 , who needs pitching .
Who needs big 3 run homers, right Pete?
Every team, the Mets lost most of the top Pitchers in rotation, no problem they will just out slug the opposition .
Which is what the Dodgers did when Kershaw was away.
Yes, the problem with the Giants is they do not have the power to do that, so when they face Pitchers like Jackson tonight that gives up lots of HRs, they do not have the Power to make him pay for bad pitches that other players hit HRs off of .
Almost the other night too.
This is funny, Peter.
Settles Clevenger just tweeted himself out of Seattle.
#wannagetaway?
Great commercials
Chef nailed the Greek surf lefty photo.
Alex Pavlovic 45min ago:
Cueto and Crawford on field now to test injuries. Cueto still questionable for Sunday. Crawford may return Sunday.
Seems like Craw had a set back on the field. Could not squeeze his glove.
How bout swinging stick?
No that is normal, I had the same injury to my middle finger and could not bend my finger for weeks ,and it never healed right, still bothers me today .
Where are you reading that, ClutchUp? Both Alex and Baggarly are reporting on Twitter that Crawford will probably start Sunday.
On tv Alex said Crawford had trouble closing his glove with the injured finger , which is normal, ligaments sore, finger swollen, very painful to bend all the way .
Thanks, Peter.
You guys get the broadcast. We don’t. Not this early in the evening. Too much interference.
Thanl you Peter
Interesting. Hank Schulman, 3 recent tweets on Evans attempt to land Melancon:
GM Evans said he was joking when he called himself a knucklehead in interview for not trading for a closer. But he has reflected on …
… whether he could’ve offered more to get a guy like Melancon. (Chapman and Miller were never really possible with #yankees’ ask)
#sfgiants made comparable offer to #pirates for Melancon, including big-leaguer and minor-leaguer. Bucs preferred #nationals offer.
Will Bumgarner pinch hit in tonight’s game?
Alex Pavlovic 1min ago:
Bumgarner, who wanted to be in HR Derby here, hit five straight during BP. Hit two that landed on Western Metal Supply building roof.
He should have pinch hit in LAST night’s game. Bochy putting Span up against a lefty reliever with a runner in scoring position in the ninth–after benching Span against lefty starters all week–is one of the strangest things I’ve seen in a season full of them.
You don’t like Mac or Brown there? OK. At least put up Bum.
I wondered this morning if I had it wrong. Couldn’t believe it at the time.
Pure Meathead.
BUM only can hit a fast ball, and every pitcher in the league knows that, so will never see one , unless a Pitcher is stupid or too macho .
You like Span better in that situation? OK, to each his own.
Might want to look up Bum’s post season batting record a hint 0 for like 23 , when pitchers treat him like a threat he is an easy out .
The point was really that Bochy should have used a RH pinch-hitter there.
yeah.
This is an obvious thing to say (what I’m about to say, not what you just said.) The Giants need to win this game. Bochy needs to throw everything he’s got against the Padres, if necessary. That would include Bumgarner.
He did NOT do that last night, with a 1-run lead.
Yeah, I know.
Honestly, it was shocking. Like he had a seizure in the dugout or something.
Please don’t have Span do his throwing
That made me laugh
Darts anyone?
Why is the game @ 7.40pm?
And why am I getting an mlb.com blackout in Seattle??
Seattle is the only place where I get the blackout, and you’re not in Montana, paul.
Krikey, this has never happened before up here.
Maybe in an hour something will change.
Have you tried closing it all the way down and restarting? That has worked for me before when I’m getting a blackout notice when there should not be one.
Good idea, thx dgg. ;o)
Wait. I just now noticed you said “up here.” I thought you were “down there.” Where are you?
Seattle. We live up here when we’re not in Vallarta.
I know – nice problem to have!
They were late with their audio feed here. try reloading the MLB page then select game
Mariners and especially seahacks black out everything when they play. They’re very possessive of their territorial rights. I bought MLB channel for that very reason. Have not seen 1 Mariner game in years.
I heard an interview with one of the Padres broadcasters earlier this season and he said the Padres conducted surveys and found that most people want more time to get home from work, relax then go to the game. And if games start earlier in the evening on weekends, they’d still have time to visit the Gas Lamp District (or whatever it’s called) after games. Probably the chamber of commerce was involved too. There was a 4-game weekend series between the Giants and Padres earlier this season where every game had a different start time. BTW, night games at Candlestick used to start at 7:35 IIRC back in the 70s and 80s.
One of the beat writers tweeted that this will be the last 7:40 pm start. Apparently the experiment didn’t work, and they’re not doing it again next year.
Good.
Having gone to a road series in San Diego this year, I can appreciate their thinking. There are so many great happy hours at restaurants and bars an easy five-minute walk from the park. It makes sense to go fill up and then just stroll over and watch the game.
At the same time, there are a lot of other fun things to do in San Diego, and the Padres are not exactly a hot ticket. Probably the best way to boost attendance is to have a good team.
It’s been suggested.
Padres games in San Diego are a hot ticket for Giants fans!
You can get great seats for about one-third what they’d cost at AT & T. Seriously.
They’re all screwed up. Use private Twitter to talk to tech support for MLB.TV
A midnight start works for me.
San Diego is a beautiful city in the area of the ballpark. It’s Friday night, people here want to get their evenings’ fullest return.
Beautiful and walkable.
…and the weather’s always perfect.
…compared to most places, I agree.
Well, I didn’t mean perfectest.
Perfectest?
I fixed it as soon as I posted it. You need to refresh/reload to see it.
I should have realized you would fix it immediately. You’re meticulous about spelling. (which I appreciate)
Not always. Unfortunately.
Thinking back on the Willie Mac award, considering all of the qualifications for the award, why not Suarez? Obviously he won’t get it, but there’s plenty to like about him for the honor- struggled to get here, not just kept us in the game but helped keep us with any shot for the postseason. And look around when they show the guys in the dugout- his teammates love him- even the stars can be inspired by a humble man who made the most out of he was given
And the best reason to give him the Willie Mac- he’s not Denard Span!!!!!!!
Damn, I was going to put Span’s name in the hat.
I like Suarez a lot. He’s done a great job this year and came out of nowhere. I love that kind of thing.
Bueno choice. And you’re right – he’s always on the railing, rooting for los Gigantes.
Gonna have to redefine ‘Quality Starts’, which is a sucky phrase anyway.
I luvs mi Alberto.
“solid outing”
What’s kinda funny- starting in the 4th inning or even earlier, Bochy gets the pen up if Albert even thinks about giving up a run.then-Bam!!! Double play and they all sit down.
Totally. In the 4th inning of his last game, he gives up a single and, BOOM Okert is up throwing. Alberto gets a 1-pitch DP, and Kuip laughed and said, ‘And Okert sits down…’
Did Spans pinch hitting appearance last night earn him the lead off spot tonight? Ok.
Absolutemente. He was efficient.
And effervescent.
And his hair was perfectest.
Philly throwing this one bringing in Schuster, with a tidy 13.00 era.
Joe Panik looks like Busters little brother.
And you just noticed this. Even my bandwagon, only watch the World Series fan friends figured that out in 2014.
Hunter Pence looks like Jethro Tulls little brother.
Ian Anderson on kale, maybe. With teeth. Hair too.
I see Ginger Baker, complete with headband!
I’m inspired, it’s brown Friday in San Diego.
Brown Friday? That doesn’t sound very healthy.
They’re giving out toilet seat covers tonight for free
Damn. Those unis are just missing a toilet seat cover for a collar.
What’s up with Amy Papa?
Papa is on assignment with Raiders .
But they play Sunday, right? He took off early…
They left for Nashville.
Yes flying to Tennessee .
Hey G G whenever you need a vacation from the blog I will happily fill in for you I must warn you I do not come cheap
By the way my work might need a little editing at times
No way….E want unfiltered Slikk. Just post a warning for legal purposes
Lol
This is really funny, Slikk!
Lol
I think you should demand double what GG makes.
My thoughts exactly
No vacations for GG
I’m on mlb.com, gracias a Dios. You guys tew.
Klay Thompson may be a Dodger fan, but his dog Rocco, not so much. Rocco knows the appropriate action to take in Dodger Stadium.
http://www.knbr.com/2016/09/23/klay-thompsons-dog-lets-loose-on-field-at-dodger-stadium/
That’s a good, well-trained dog.
Who’s a good boy?!
Go Rocco!
Last year a bunch of us GEers met at Raley Field for a River Cats game. It happened to be the night before my birthday, so Bleacher Bob brought me this for a gift (refresh for photo). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5171ec1cde06eb50b509a578c92805c9b62efca3b439ee51b78479e75935aeb6.jpg
Posted that way before now
Uh oh…Mike Winters…Bochy’s getting tossed tonight
He should go over to Donovan’s, across the street from the park. There was one cocktail there I liked so much.
Span with maybe his 150th meaningless out to the right side of the year. Sigh.
Pagan doubles down, Buster too.
Gotta have it, Suarez.
Giants batters vs Jackson, Posey 0 for 12, Belt 0 for 8, Pence 4 for 17, Span 5 for 18, Nunez 2 for 2 with 2 doubles, Connor 1for1 with a 3 run HR, were in trouble .
Together we’re in trouble…
Together we’re switching back to the USC/Utah game after halftime.
Lol
No. Minor league football is never on the docket
Pagan did a great job holding Jay to a single.
I’m of the opinion that this team should use the 1st 3 positions in the lineup as an absolute “score 1 run” machine. Get on anyway. Lean into a pitch if necessary.Steal a base, maybe two. Move a runner. The third could even be a bunter. Anyway possible to score that one run. It doesn’t make any difference what comes after that in who hits where.
Nuñez
Gorkys
Pence
Who’s our best bunter?
Bochy conSiders all of that too risky. Much less risky to keep doing nothing, not scoring and losing
Crap.
At least the Giants have 8 more innings to catch up.
They generally need about 18 to score 3
LOL
You guys totally Blog Jinxed Suarez
This is on the Chef. He nominated Suarez for the Willie Mac Award.
…he may give up 521 home runs!
Tonight?
No, they’ll pull him after 499
Did we already have that conversation? Willie Mac? Does anybody beat out Crawford?
Might as well talk about that. This one getting away from us fast.
My suggestion was they skip it this year. It’s for the most inspirational player. Considering the uninspired level of play we’ve seen for the last two months, apparently no one qualifies.
Let’s give it to Duffy again.
you know darn well they will never skip it because you deem it the thing to do.
The Awards is important to the Giants, a team that likes its tradition as much as any other team.
I think your point is made, nuff said, just won’t go that way.
Yeah…I can feel that, but when we look back and say who carried the team? Bum and Cueto. Happened once before, two guys tied.
Unbelievable. Actually…right on time.
If we get in, we’re backing in
Beep…..beep…..Beep
Big “if”
The spagan line up is cursed
No effin doubt about it. Everyone on the planet knows this except Bochy.
Williamson at .216 and no hits in September a much better option
Well…at least Suarez doesn’t have to worry about holding runners on first now.
Hopefully he’s done with his pre game warm up.
Its all Bochy’s fault– and Span
He’s your hero , so it is never his fault
Yes and no
Stay away from Blach tonight, please…give him Sunday.
Gorkys would have had that.
Can’t believe Schimf didn’t tag up on that
Time for the offense to cover up for the starting pitching. Enough sucking
I think Crawford charges that and we get two. Panik not as smooth as he is with Craw.
“….And this latest in a miserable 2nd half-long series of “rock bottoms” has been brought to you by Dignity Health…
Hello Human Cruelty.”
May be early to bed tonight
Word. And me with my mellow on.
I posted this below as an answer to Greek.
I say the Willie Mac winner should be Posey.
1) He is on course to catch the most games in his career (he is at 115 and his highest total is 119).
2) He is undeniably the leader of the team and the way he handles the pitchers.
3) He is playing some of the best defense of his career at a time we all know he is tired.
4) I believe he has played a good part of the season injured. The team put him in the situation were he has to gut it out, with Brown as the only backup option. Posey has to be out there. The players would know this more than anyone else and would see the effort and sacrifice day in and day out.
Interesting post. I still guess it will be Crawford, but he no longer seems a lock. Speculation earlier today about Cueto made some sense to me. Never thought about Buster, actually.
My note earlier was about Cueto being the choice because he walked into a new team and is production never wavered, always smiling and a positive force.
But think about it, he needed the right situation and the right catcher to able to step right in.
It has to be a pure joy for a pitcher to look behind the plate and see Buster there.
Good points…I think it’s going to be Crawford
All three good choices for obvious reasons (Posey, Cueto, Crawford)
God knows it won’t be Belt! 😉
lol
That would be fun for blog reasons
Oh, yikes, some kind of World War Belt would ensue.
Matthew, you have a twisted sense of what would be fun for the blog.
Jackson is dealin.
Lol — he is one of the worst starters in all of baseball and has been for years.
Over anxious much? Pence and Nunez striking out on pitches nowhere close to the zone.
Isn’t that a law of nature.
C’mon Adrianza. Come through
Joltin Joe Jr. Attababe.
Why are they not walking Adrianza?
Because they are not worried about his hitting abilities.
Guess that’s why
I thought you were coming over? I was going to make espresso.
Because that
Because they want Suarez to lead off the third.
And that double was the reason why!
they might be rethinking now.
Ehire. It isn’t there.
I know he absolutely gets under your skin….he’s certainly hitting better this year than most other Giants.
He is the easy target, like Krukow, some on the blog will only pick on certain players .
Baggs being pretty harsh of Kelly on twitter
https://twitter.com/extrabaggs/status/779518975470399489
Given the situation, it was the wrong move…but I fully expected it
Yup, he should have sent Belt.
Kelly has been a joke all year. Make them make a perfect play with 2 outs.
He would have been out by 20 feet .
I thought so, too.
Probably right — I’m just bitter that when they get down three runs it feels like they are down 10. Kelly is still a garbage third base coach that should have been replaced mid season.
You heard it here first…Roberto is gone.
Bam Bam too. This many good hitters all stop hitting? Gotta be part of the problem.
See above… I don’t totally disagree, but Kelly is absolutely expendable
I agree 110%!!! Both Kelly and Meulens should be gone.
Not before Mr.Meulens. Inexcusable
Big difference: Kelly makes in game decision that cost the team. Meulens instructs, but makes no decisions on the field.
They may both go…but Meulens does have a strong reputation and would have a job the next day. Kelly, not so much
That was terrific, Nunez!
Indeed! We have us a third baseman.
and I’d think next year’s lead off hitter.
Wait! Why not the rest of this year?
Erm, well, because the blog isn’t the manager and staff? We’re a month overdue for lineup experiments, for sure.
Sensible Sydney, you’re a bring down and no fun, at all.
Well, there is not much joy in Mudville these days. It is 10:30 in my time zone, so now time for bed, ’cause the team can’t get a pitcher’s lead off double across the plate.
Yea, what she said.
Yes
Here we go, hoping Span can do ANYTHING
nope
Not this time.
Terrible AB. You gotta at least move the runner over
Span is a liability, and Gorkys is playing well. Make the tough decision, Boch.
He’s usually pretty quick on those.
There’s not enough time left.
Odd Decision Magic
did you think that HR had a chance of being caught, or am i nuts?
None chance
Ownership group is breathing down Bochy’s neck. That’s the only earthly reason he’s still hitting leadoff.
Wrong order you bums.
Last year this team would jump at driving pitches off the plate to the oppo side. This year, brutal.
Posey strikes out with RISP. Arrrgh!
What I’m noticing in him and others…they are losing at bats through frustrations way too easily. He was upset at strike 2, and flailed at strike 3… Now, I get protecting, but that was just a bad swing at a bad pitch….they are a mess
Willie Choke award winner, 0 for 14 with 4 k’s against one of the worse Pitchers in MLB.
Edwin Jackson is not a good pitcher, and we can’t even put the ball in play.
On many teams Buster would be hitting fifth or sixth, with Nunez in the three hole. Not here.
speak for yourself, Kruk
Tell me why the Giants fans aren’t getting on Posey like the Pirates fans are to McCutchen?
Because he’s Posey.
Soft !
Should they?
Posey has earned a ton of rope, and ( cue TO and Peter outrage) is clearly playing through injuries.
Evans did a terrible job constructing the 40 man and there is no viable back up. He has to play.
He looked healthy last Week .
Trevor Brown and Posey are the only two catchers on the 40-man I believe. That’s horrendous.
Yes and yes. Really pretty shocking in September. Remember when they were running Brown out there, sick as a dog, in Chicago a few weeks ago?
Evans is the Roberto Kelly of roster construction.
Precisely. If you want to trade Susac, don’t you have to have a replacement for him? Who’s the best catcher in the minors? Aramis Garcia in San Jose
And he missed most of the year with a serious injury.
What will the Giants do if Brown gets hurt? Play Posey every day?
A couple weeks ago when Brown was sick, Baggs said they’d probably ask one of the AAA catchers to work out at their facility in Arizona so he’s ready for an emergency. Miguel Olivo and…Tony somebody?
Peter, ask yourself honestly if you think he isn’t injured.
No , I do not, not as bad as you think at least, Guessing to much, swinging at pitches that he can not drive .
Low back injuries affect swings way more than running or throwing. He’s struggling on low and away ( reach and twist). He hurt his wrist earlier, and it’s likely not going to heal till off season.
2017 will be much stronger for him.
Excellent observations and Dx, Matthew.
Your just guessing just like me, he was 7 for 9 vs the Cards in the 1st 2 games , with a 415 FT HR and a 400 FT double off the wall, and he has played almost every day for a while lately .
Yup…he certainly has stretches…
I’m not guessing, though. I watch every play and player for cause and effect ( results). You tend to watch just results and decide that a player is soft or bad.
Posey didn’t forget how to hit. He’s a HOF level player. There are causes to this seasons results. Watch him closely. Watch the winces when his back bothers him. Watch him try to loosen his wrist…you were a runner, so you knew certain days your legs felt different. His wrist is nagging, his back has bad stretches.
Turrible? Are you on record in March?
Yes…but his in season maneuvers have been sporadic and specifically damaging.
Bochy plays a role, too. Way too many pitchers, too few infielders, too few catchers…
Too few hits home runs plays pitches wins.
Is that Yoda speak?
Yoda would hit like Altuve.
Posey is a master behind the dish, which at least to me, makes up for any down slide in production at the plate.
a). we’re nicer ?
b) the humidity makes ’em mean ?
Nice play Suarez!
Wow, Schulman tweeted that the Giants have lost five previous Suarez starts where he pitched at least five innings and left with a lead. Your fifth starter keeps you in the game and….aaargggghhh
The pen has been a mess.
Edwin Jackson last three seasons as a starter he has had ERAs of 4.98, 6.33. and 6.00 — in between he was a reliever for one season. Need to pound this type of crap starter.
This is the worst offense in baseball the last month, you expect too much.
Since the All-Star break. Last in the majors in runs and OPS.
Hard to fathom
But never any changes — Parker and Williamson were doing okay, but they never even get to pinch hit. Have to save those ABs for sunshine Gillapsie.
Somewhere downstream we’re saying “who could sub for Spagan? Kelby. Might mean Pagan plays some CF. Or really turn it up and go Kelby LF and Gorkys CF everyday.
I’m on board with the latter
No Pagan in CF. That’s out of the frying pan and into the fire. He’s not hitting, either, anyway.
OK, let’s go with Kelby and Gorkys. Better than this sheet.
Giants 1-3 hitters are 1-18 in the series, yet they are always the top 3.
That’s what you get when Bochy keeps putting Span and Pagan 1-2. It’s amazing, they are fighting for their playoff lives and he continually hits Span and Pagan 1-2 when they’re both hitting well under .200 in September
Wow, Toronto was last in scoring in September? HOW
Hank Schulman provides clarity with two tweets:
There’s some debate in press box whether Belt would have been out at home. Kelly still has to send him. Moreover….
… Kelly needs to show some urgency and wave like a madman so Belt charges around third. Then be down line and give stop sign if necessary.
It was the most timid stop sign I have ever seen. Almost like he kind of wanted him to run through it.
Besides clear and sudden stop signs, Kelly needs energy and animation, windmilling arms…
Nice long AB by Belt — Nunez over under on number of pitches 1.5. Belt is the only one making him work.
Here we go Nunez. Drive one in
Here come the sliders in the dirt.
BB9 works hard for his BBs. I’d bat him 1st or 2nd, not somewhere where damage is expected.
He is close to leading the team in RBIs and all other power categories.
Let him lead team in runs. Get another hitter.
I would be fine with him batting second. Anything to get Pagan out of the spot.
I have a theory and we’ll see if I’m right. Baggarly has been over the top in his contempt for all things Giants this week. His tweets about Kelly just now are the latest examples.
This is not to open up another debate about whether we approve/agree with him or not. But it’s surprising that a beat writer would be so scathing, considering he depends on his relationships with the team to do his job.
Thus my theory: He either already has a new job waiting or he’s planning to look for one–so he doesn’t care if he offends the players or the front office.
He’s mad because he doesn’t get the blog hits anymore.
Kelly deserves the scorn — writers even beat writers in NY and Philly are harsher.
Hank Schulman provided valid criticism of Kelly without the scorn. It’s possible to do. It’s the professional thing to do. It’s the right thing to do.
Exactly
Kelly is indecisive far too often — that is not out of line. It is a fact.
That’s valid criticism, giantc, and there’s no scorn.
Does latent scorn count?
It’s not about that. I agree Kelly made the wrong call… We’re talking about the professionalism expected out of journalists
Believe me, I’m not defending Kelly. I think he’s an awful 3B coach and needs to go. I’m just surprised that a beat writer would be so publicly scornful about a coach on the team he covers. He called Bumgarner “self-absorbed.” He called Cain and Peavy “the world’s most expensive janitorial staff.” This is a guy who doesn’t care who he pisses off right now.
I didn’t see the Cain and Peavy quote. I am going to have pay more attention. There are obviously some good tweets out there. Kind of like that Jet Blue flight attendant that went out with a bang.
it was in his SJMN article of a couple days ago
I thought it was awful. Cain and Peavy are good people and have had great careers. I’m sure they’re not happy about their current situation, but they’re handling it professionally. It was mean and unnecessary to mock them like that.
uuuhhh… i was just telling where it was posted. i believe we know how you feel about this
I don’t think Baggarly’s style would be considered unusual in most other markets.
I honestly don’t know. The New York/Boston/Philly markets are known for being rougher. The rest of the country? Seattle? Anaheim? Kansas City? Detroit? I don’t really know what the normal would be.
Maybe, TO. But Baggs sold a lot of books through his blog and got a lot of profile for his work. I’m with Lefty on this one.
Do you do you prefer Krukow’s style?
Five years ago Kruk, yes. Today, not so much.
You know how some of us are wondering about the stench surrounding the clubhouse? Something xpcertainly seems amiss…well, is Baggs seeing things he can’t share? Is he over it?
I know it’s a WAG, but this is the blog to make those guesses
Oh, I think so. I think there’s some truth that all the beat writers know and can’t share. I’m actually kind of hoping someone does someday. Not because I’m so outraged and need answers but because I’m frankly curious. What could have gone so wrong?
I think it’s bunches of things: Mac and Panik’s best friend was traded a few days after he was assured he was the 3rd baseman of the future; their manager has seemed to go aloof; there may be a split formed as undeserving vets have been continually rewarded for underperforming….there are issues
maybe if Baggs really is on his way out that he will spill the beans once he has a new gig locked down – even on Marty’s show Sat afternoon Baggs talked extensively about their performance but not WORD ONE about the clubhouse climate and culture and team continuity….hhhhmmmmm
That explains what happened to the blog.
I sort of was having some similar thoughts with his recent change in tone on twitter, glad I wasn’t the only one thinking it
That last column posted here. Mean spirited. No excuse.
Except that how you leave a place matters, how you resign or retire matters.
There are under the radar rumblings that he permanently burned bridges, AND was slapped down by Metc management ( it’s why the blog format got yanked).
He’s out and knows it, likely your scenario
Trolling for a Chicago job. Or (in his dreams) something national. I agree, out of Bay Area for sure.
Hank Schulman 2min ago:
#sfgiants have two on and nobody out. 3-RUN HOMER POSSIBLE.
Good lord this team is putrid.
Consecutive innings with a runner on 2nd and nobody out, both leading to zero runs. That is how you lose games.
Moving the runners is too risky … Bochy and I keep telling you that.
Runners In Stranded Position
The failure of Span and Nunez to make productive outs has already cost the team 2 runs. Bochy should have called for a drag bunt with Nunez to utilize his speed and to stay away from the predictable K, but he just sits on his a** while the offense does nothing.
Absolutely pure unadulterated dog shit at its finest. WTH
Unadulterated? I’d hate to step in that.
Giants did. Look at them. You can see the stank. It’s even leaking thru the TV.
Am I crazy to think that this team is going to come back and win?
I must be crazy too, because I’m still watching this game.
It is the Padres after all.
Edwin Jackson is one of the starters over the last several years so they should be able to come back, but someone is going to have hit a 3 run HR b/c Bochy refuses too manufacture runs. I can’t wait for Gillapsie to bat — it is going to be awesome.
Gillapsie is 1 for 1 with a 3 run HR off of Jackson, the only Giant on the roster that has ever Homered off of Jackson .
Like I said — I cannot wait. :). I am sure he will go deep again.
You do not like him, but he actually has done ok, PH is the hardest thing to do in baseball, so his numbers are not great, but he has done pretty good .
He is terrible in the field cannot run and after a hot start as a pinch hitter he is down to .204 as a pinch hitter with 49 ABs as a pinch hitter. You are right I am not a big fan.
The same Padres who have swept the Giants twice.
I know. But at this point the Padres barely have a MLB line up out there. If there is a team we should be able to come back against this is it.
I truly hope you’re right, cabbie!
I’m trying out positive thinking.
Unfortunately the one major leaguer in the lineup hit a 3 run HR.
It’s not barely …. they dont. And they’re pitching guys not likely to have a job next year because the Padres dont care. That’s how bad this is
The Giants and Comcast should have provided viewers with a trigger warning at the start of the broadcast!
Posey has the only back injury ever that allows someone to spring up from a crouch and throw a strike to second base, but just doesn’t allow him to hit like he normally does. It is absolutely impossible that he’s just having a down year that isn’t because of injury. Why? I have no idea, but that seems to be the prevailing view.
I’m honored to be crowned “prevailing”.
Thank you
Prevailing is often not synonymous with correct.
Of course. I forgot…YOU are the only one you consider “correct”. You’re full tough love understanding of injuries, especially concussions, should be the standard we all live by.
Have you ever had a back injury that would’ve allowed you to go through the actions of catching without a problem but would hamper your ability to swing a bat?
Pretty much. Honestly. I can do many things decent, but cannot twist. So…yes.
So you don’t think that springing up from a crouch and throwing a seed to second base involves any twisting?
Look, you can keep going trying to convince me that your observation is right, and I’m nuts and making excuses…but, I am living through a back issue where I do many things with some twists and turns, but ….please listen and see if you get it…the twist on a throw, the moves to catch, are not as dramatic as a swing. They are not.
And, his wrist is messed up.
I wish you would go back and watch his at bats through the year…there are stretches in which the wince on his follow through is his back. We all see it.
You know what I think I see. You disagree. Fine. Ask any possible way you want to try to pin me into some corner do you can say “SEE?!?!” I believe what my eyes are observing. End of my story
I’m actually more persuaded by the wrist injury theory that’s also floated around. Hand and wrist injuries can really sap a hitter’s power.
He’s being a tiny, teeny little bit sarcastic and condescending to a couple of us who are observing some back issues….even though we watch from a perspective of personal experience of those “universal signs of ow”
His back was definitely bothering him a few weeks ago where every swing and a miss was met with a grimace of pain. I also think his defense actually in blocking balls hasn’t been as strong – not a lot of lateral movement.
It does seem like it has gotten somewhat better over the last couple of weeks though.
That’s at least possible. A back injury that hampers hitting but doesn’t stand in the way of catching doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
The Giants are sapping my will to live.
No! We need you, GG.
They certainly are playing like Giabts
I was thinking of watching the Big Bang rerun, it’s a fun with flags episode
Suarez is solid. I’m glad we have him. Reminds me of Petit
Suarez doesn’t blow up like Moore every other outing but he seems to give up 3 runs in 5 innings and then leaves the game because his pitch count is too high.
The five innings thing is why I think Blach deserves a shot to compete for the fifth spot along with Suarez next year. Blach is an innings-eater–over 160 innings in each of the last two AAA seasons–and led the PCL in innings both years.
Leading the PCL in innings two years in a row means that he’s a finesse pitcher who creates weak contact. That means that he substitutes movement for high velocity.
Usually with a lead… And the pens blows it. So, tonight will be the opposite
Perfect long/swing man.
let’s go giants. boom boom boom let’s go giants
Top of the order!! Third time through — Padres are in big trouble now.
This is why Jackson sucks — can they get one timely hit or will it be another ground ball????
Ok Posey, There’s your second chance
Come on, Pagan.
Damn Here comes that crippled Posey, that Bochy plays every day and bats 3rd .
He’s going yard
ALMOST
I hope so, would prove he is fine .
Damn..would have been if not for…. Oh, never mind
Leaves most yards — that was crushed.
That’ll do, Buster, that’ll do.
That goes out of most parks!
Sweet Buster!
The most courageous double I’ve ever seen. So much pain…such exhaustion.
LOL
He appreciates your understanding
Let the good times roll !
That Giants bench looks semi-dead though
They’ve quit.
That was blasted cool!
Pence is such a Springer Spaniel that pisses on the carpet…he is who he is, and you love him…but sometimes….
Dare we wish for #belted?
He hit hard — just right at Myers.
Let’s go Random Guy in the one run game!
I have to admit I can never remember what Reynolds looks like.
Spitting image of Mike Kickham
I’m surprised Bochy is leaving Reynolds out there given his micromanagement of pitchers lately.
Hes using the no 14 pitcher in a critical 3-2 game. Nothing should surprise any more
Bochy has gone bonkers!!! He either yanks guys after giving up one baserunner and he’s leaving this guy out there to get his brains beat out and sends Righetti to give him a pep talk!? Talk about inconsistent management!!
Wretched micro-managing, too. Bochy has gone senile.
He leaves a rookie out there for five batters and on other night guys are yanked after one baserunner is allowed. I guarantee you if that was Cory Gearrin he’d have been yanked after one baserunner. Reynolds isn’t a rook so he gets enough rope to hang himself.
Throw a strike dude!!
He has 20 Pitchers, why is he keeping this guy in the game !
On the bright side, the Cardinals aren’t a very good team, either.
82-80… We got this
Walked a run in. That was predictable.
Okert would have been a nice choice after his performance in the Cueto game. Instead they just go with Reynolds until they reach ten.
Once again, Bochy’s brutal mismanagement of the bullpen rips the heart out of his team.
So with Smith and Lopez holding down the late innings, Okert or Osich can’t go here? Reynolds was out of baseball, basically. A veteran player, I guess.
And us.
What is Bochy thinking??? Why is this guy still in???
You’re assuming that Bochy is thinking at all.
He’s thrown 5 strikes and 12 balls
Guys do that against the Giants all the time. It’s called 6 up 6 down
Bruce pulled Romo last week after a 45 hop grounder snuck through
Bruce leaves Reynolds in as the USS Destroyer strafes the field with missiles
Bruce is having an absolutely terrible season
That was awful. He obviously had nothing.
They get within a run and he brings in Reynolds???
Stunning isn’t it? The GM really has to protect Bochy from himself now
What a heapin pile of dog shit.
NOW he comes out to get te poor guy — and I do mean POOR
Are we having fun yet?
Put Bochy in the concussion protocol right now and let someone else take over until he is medically cleared.
I’m booing Bruce Bochy from my living room. Just unbelievable.
Has CC gone to bed yet? Can I call him names?
Probably, but go ahead anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdNsltQXTVU
Reynolds for the Willie Mac Award
Predictable, you never criticize Bochy, who left him in 3 batters too long !
Nuance
Look it up
Your always going to back the old time blog regulars, I do not care , Bochy is awful, but the homers like Surf Maui, and others, usually the over 65 crowd never criticize him .
Actually, it’s more that most of us try to be respectful of other opinions, and generally react in a mature adult manner. There’s plenty of energized repartee, no doubt. But, Peter, you are usually angry, short and simply an inconsiderate communicator. Just relax and quit overstating and arguing. There are ways to disagree without being a jack weed
What the heck? Kontos was already warmed up before the IBB when Righetti was on the phone. Kontos was just standing there.
Should have been Kontos from the beginning.
Smith is the guy you go to. Not Reynolds.
Not that early. i could explain that to you but I don’t like wasting my time.
As a defender of Bochy for years, I am beyond disappointed in his bizarre, unexplainable, stubborn, game killing sharts that are ripping momentum away time and time and time and time again.
Oh, it’s a committee? Well, then they are all having a terrible season.
Maybe he has a bad back.
You’re a piece of work, my friend
I’m my own best audience.
How about if the TWG gang gets a share of the Willie Mac Award for persevering with this second half hot mess crap of ball?
I wish I was as looney as Bochy so I wouldn’t care about winning.
Runs Botched In. Bruce is not working in the best interest of the team. Hasn’t been for a month at least
Well, I’m going to go watch Designated Survivor.
I liked that.
Maybe Baggarly can go after Bochy now if he doesn’t care anymore.
Never! None of the beat writers has the guts to, they are all scared of him .
They were definitely scared him during the blown save brigade last week. Not a single follow-up question when he wouldn’t answer questions about pulling Bumgarner.
Padres put out a forfeit lineup and it’s Bochy who actually gives it away. Of course why are the Giants minor leaguers worse than the Padres ‘?
High probability Casilla does mop up duty tonight.
Boy was that a weak throw by Pagan at the end of this brutal inning
We just got treated to a display of Pagan’s arm weakness. That was shallow-mid LF and the runner didn’t even attempt to slide. They know.
Can they have a psychiatrist examine Bochy?
Maybe two psychiatrists, due to the size of his head.
Perhaps just skip straight to the lobotomy. It’s not like his brain is functioning much anyway.
Padres playing like a team battling for a wild card spot.
There no way they start any of the pitchers in this series if they were
The Bochy of San Diego fame is showing its true colors.
The fallacy would be that he ever changed. He simply got personnel that matched his style in the playoffs. He’s reduced the Giants win total in the regular season every year
Never give Bochy a 15-17 man bullpen. Limit his options.
My wife is an NP with many years of experience in cardiology and gerontology — she says that having heart problems like Bochy has had can lead to difficulties in mental processing — this last half inning was really bewildering and the decisions made by Bochy cannot be defended by anyone rational
I’m legit concerned about his mental state. There really must be something going on in there… early stages of dementia?
Although my grandpa (RIP) had dementia and I feel like even he’d make better choices.
That octopus that guesses NHL winners makes better choices….
We can ask that octopus which relievers to bring in.
Yeah, I think there’s something wrong, like physically ill, with Bochy.
He doesn’t look or sound well at all, IMHO.
I just checked in what did he do?
We got to 3-2. He brought in “Matt Reynolds” ( witness protection). He left him in for 4 runs…game , set, bitch
Oh poop!
Our chance to possibly get 1 1/2 game lead in the wild card race was undermined by a bad performance by the guy who ranks about 39th on the 40 man roster…because that’s what Bruce thought was the best idea.
Someone needs to figure out what the hell happened to the manager.
What happened to the manager is that this team just stinks– but that may be too obvious
Surf…he picked Matt Reynolds. Out of the entire pen in a one run game of dramatic importance….then…he stuck with him through hits and walks and hits and….
He has been pulling guys after one base runner. Until: Matt Reynolds???
I respect your baseball opinion. Mine is that Bochy is having a very bad season in his consistency and inconsistency.
Perhaps — but it goes along with a bad year from Posey, Pence, Panik Span, Pagan, Casiilla, and injuries to Blanco, as well as zero production from the bench. Could a few different buttons have been pushe? Sure. But this is a teamwide failure– no collapse. Perhaps these players who did so much in the past just arent as good as we thought. But if that is the case, then Bochy managing to win three WS with them is even more remarkable. At least that is as goodan explanation as the theory that all of a sudden the manager went from a great manager to a moron.
A few buttons? He kept pushing buttons that failed even though he could try other options (Span, Casilla, Pagan, Cain, and so on). He was quick hook on some (Belt, Mac, Romo ) slow on others. He has been either slow or stubborn or defiant. The overworking of Mad Bum and Cueto in half 1 hurt half 2…it has been his worst job in his Giants tenure by every measure
Several players had below average season. Bochy had a well below average season.
There is a direct correlation between poor player performance and “bad” managing performance. But here is something we canal, agree on. I never want to see Casilla pitch again
Clean 8th… He’s our CLOSER!!!!
NEVER
Maybe Bochy can get “accidentally” locked in the bathroom tomorrow. With a straightjacket on.
Stop talking, Kruk.
Grab some pine, Kruk.
Hes already sitting just peachy!
He immediately referenced his 5 Run Deficit Unicorn Guide
Kruk’s a lot easier to take when we’re winning. When we’re losing he either gives lame pep talks or, worse, rationalizations for why we don’t suck like “Good at-bat” on a medium deep fly ball.
Adrianza you suck
That’s seriously at least the third harmless pop foul to third from Adrianza this month. And he doesn’t get that many ABs.
Who said he could hit?
Resuming Deadwood seems like a good idea, but I’m no quitter.
This game has been fed to the pigs.
It should be.
Well, at least Conor was retired on 2 pitches that time, not 1.
Ok I’m really done with Pagan. He frustrates me more than Span
Pik ur poison
God, how I’m going to miss that 4-3 back-to-the-dugout jog by Span this off season
Kinda represents the team well though. No apparent inclination to try anything different.
Surf – break your foot.
We’re running out of ideas
Bochy left Reynolds out there for 5 batters because he’s a veteran. If that was Cory Gearrin the leadoff single would’ve gotten him yanked.
Technically true. But a veteran of nothing except pitching in meaningless games and getting dumped. No buSiness in any meaningful situation. He lost a game in the 9th recently as well
Reynolds just sucks. His last two meaningful seasons he had a 4.09 and 4.40 ERA as a reliever. He’s had TWO saves in a 6-year major league career and Bochy sticks him out there with a one run lead. Too bad that Baggs and Pav are limited in what they could and should say because I’m now on the anti-Bochy bandwagon. His decisions lately have been inscrutable.
At least do your homework.
How ’bout you try to be something other than a pain in the ass?
Pagan with his cool ass snatch catch like he’s so good out there is puzzling.
That, the salute, the arguing with umps over balls in the middle of the plate, and his relentless misjudgment of fly balls all make him expendable as far as I’m concerned. He can hit but he also hasn’t been healthy enough to play a full season for his fourth season in a row. He’s done and because he’s 35 we’ll scarcely get more than a prospect or two for him.
He’s a free agent
Pesky details
I swear Bochy would say…nah, not even?
Luther can nail the politics and the business of baseball. But the on the field stuff-not so much.
You forgot his noodle throwing arm.
I didn’t forget it, Bob. I just thought that would be piling on. 🙂
His isn’t the traditional snatch-catch, like Rickey Henderson and BB25 used to make. Anybody else?
I’m waiting for him to drop one.
What’s funny about Kuip is that when he’s telling a story, he almost stops announcing the game. He’ll take 2 seconds out to say that a ground out just happened. I don’t blame him. The fans need a diversion in games like this.
If im watchin i dont mind, he gets half the stuff wrong anyway.
Reynolds is a journeyman type that Bruce trotted out there while we’re busting our asses for a crappy ass wc spot. Bruce must be tired of managing is all i can think of. Doesnt give af anymore.
Buddy Bauman on the slab lol lol lol
Casilla in the game now!
Seems about right
Clean inning means he’s the closer again
Damn. Effin Pods better get a run.
9 blown saves and 5 losses says NO
Bochy says. Maybe. Always maybe.
Whome on the Giants has a better GS to BS ratio than Casilla? Strickland? I don’t think so..
Watch Casilla get ’em 1-2-3 in a meaningless stint. This guy is a total head case.
As predicted. He’s Bob Freaking Gibson when nothing’s on the line.
No pressure. No problem.
Nothing is ever meaningless- in baseball or in real life
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Okay some things in life have X units of meaning and some have 0.0000000001 X units of meaning. Sometimes, Chef, you come across like the band of philosophers on the Titanic who are debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin while everyone else is trying to get off the ship. You’re just trying to be a pain in the ass with your comment which plays with the very definition of “meaning” but being a pain is kind of your shtick.
My shtick is knowing what I’m talking about. Try it.
Your shtick is to be a knuckle rapper who’s always correcting people. I back the vast majority of my concrete points with data from unimpeachable sources. The mood state you exhibit on this site is one of relentless sourness. Most individuals with whom I’ve had give and take with on this site have been positive about my baseball points. They certainly don’t lecture me about life philosophy. Only a prig like you would do that.
Just for giggles I checked our up votes.
Luther- 31 percent
Big Country Mike-34 percent
Sorry but you get edged out on the likability scale.
That’s horse hockey and you know it. Since you’re an “insider” here, the old insiders robotically thumbs up your fascinating 1-line posts. Why don’t you go and count numbers of threads started and numbers of replies to those threads … most of which express agreement with me. I’d outnumber you by almost two orders of magnitude. If you’re more “likable” I’d hate to see what a true grouch looks like. Like Moose, it seems like the only replies you give to my thoughts are snarky potshots with no content. You started all of this this morning. I’m finishing it because I’ll never let a sneering bastard like you the last word.
My, my touchy are we? I was just trying to lighten this up. BTW, I admit that you have an incredible wealth of baseball knowledge for a 12 year old. Who’s garage are you sleeping in tonight?
And I suppose that insulting me more is your way of furthering that “lightening up”? Why don’t you just go away? I’ve noticed that short ambushes are your style toward a lot of other posters. You’re just a mean spirited bastard and I wish to hell that you’d just disappear. Hint: Just because you don’t like someone’s style it’s not your duty as self-appointed blog supervisor to “correct” all of us. Not letting you get the last word in, doofus.
Did ya see that gritty comeback fight after the Padres put up that 4 spot? What have they had since the 4th inning like one or two singles?
Their first gritty comeback got kneecapped in the Great Reynolds Controversy
I wonder if the rookie pitchers ever talk about the short leash they’re on while the veterans get to stay on the mound ’til their brains are beaten out?
i bet that they wonder about it day and night.
This is my third response to a one-line post by you where you’re just trying to follow me around and dog me like in the “meaning” post below. Pick on someone else for God’s sake.
You are hard to miss, Plato.
Well, gee, Mikey, am I suppose to be apologetic because I’m an active member of this site? Believe it or not, a good deal of my postings get profuse responses. It’s exceedingly rare for one of your posts to generate a long thread. Most of the time you just come across like a grade school nun rapping us on the knuckles for misbehaving. I’m hard pressed to remember when you gave another poster positive regard.
“Am I suppose to be apologetic because I’m an active member of this site?”| Yes, because you have said that you are above all of this.
I don’t even know what the hell you’re claiming I’m “above”?!
Giants in line for the two-peckered goat award.
Reynolds has pitched well in limited duty and it was just the 5th. And Sun might be a bullpen game. So I can see what the thinking there was, but after two batters it was apparent Matt had nada.
Ok, he wanted him to face the lefty’s due up. Then again, dude looked terrible tonight. Maybe they didn’t have another lefty warmed up yet. I dunno.
On the other side of the ledger, 4 friggin hits. Should have knocked Edwina out in the 5th.
Four hits. Off Edwin Freakin’ Jackson. Good night.
Money says we see the same line up tomorrow night.
The alternatives are?
0-September Williamson and Parker?
Same as Thurs nite.
With one big difference. Madbum pitching
R or L?
8 games to go,still in playoff position and he should “play the kids”?
OFF.THE.RAILS.
There’s no getting use to losing and feeling sick about it. The trick is not to get sick.
A terrible game — I saw a lot of negative comments here, and made some myself and they were valid, BUT… The Giants throw MadBum and Cueto at the Pads for the next 2 games and winning 3 out of 4 games is still very possible. So let’s forget about this stinker and win the next 2 — call me a numbskull, but I still believe the Giants can make the playoffs.
They can get into the playoffs because baseball, like all pro sports, is about money making and expanding the playoffs to include teams with mediocre regular seasons. It devalues the regular seasons in all sports. I think it’s a travesty and has been so since all the sports have expanded to small market cities.
I just didn’t have it in me to comment tonight. I was away for a bit and came back to thee 3:2 and just when I was about to comment the Padres started scoring again.
Since when is Amy in the studio? I’ve never seen her there. Is this a new role for her or just substituting for Papa or someone.
Papa is in Nashville with the Raiders. CSNBA mixes it up in the booth.
“Some very uninspired at-bats,” Tim Flannery said on the postgame show. Well–yes. Tonight, last night, this last week, this whole month, this whole second half.
What has gone wrong with this team? They are still, against all reason, tied for a playoff spot. It’s September 23. Why are they “uninspired”?
Last year’s team, wracked with injuries and with no rotation after the Big Guy, kept on fighting. The Dodgers didn’t clinch the West until Sept. 29. It won’t take them that long this year.
There’s no energy, no fire. What has happened to them?
Taking a shower before bed, those were exactly my same thoughts — it just is weirdly inexplicable
My first thought would be injured/tired, and considering how Bochy is sticking with his guys with no rest it’s understandable. Or they’re just worn out from losing and getting no inspiration from the manager whether it’s his bad decisions or tuning him out. In any case I think you have to point the finger at Bochy. I sooo want him gone
Heck, Maybe see if Flannery wants the job
Tim is waaaaaaaay too wacko-mostly in a good way.But he’d burn out his guys before April was over.
I saw the lineup and thought I would skip the game and go out with friends. I see I chose wisely. Tired of Pagan and Span. Did my boy hit a dribbler tonight?
No, a pop-up! And it took him TWO pitches this time!
This will make Greek Giant shout at me again.
But could we please just put the final nail in the coffin of this god awful season?
smh
Don’t conk your head.
I stated 5 and 5 gets them a wild card, with how bad St. Louis is playing it could be 4 and 6 gets them a wild card.
As per Luther, anything that anybody did after it was 7-2 was meaningless.
holy cow- just got back from my gig and see the lads sleepwalked through another one…
if the skipper is going to have Posey catch every game (like tonight w suarez), maybe he shouldn’t have worn him down earlier in the year. how often has he played 1st,.. yes, he’s an excellent catcher but it wears him down.. we saw that in 2014 when Bum saved us… he is the only truly dangerous hitter the giants have… just one more piece of mismanagement
Last season Buster started 37 games at 1st base, this season only 10. His splits show that he hits better when he’s playing 1st so yeah it is puzzling why Bochy hasn’t started him there more often this season. Maybe doesn’t have the confidence in Trevor Brown to be a “game manager.”
Buster picked up a lot of games at 1B this year after Belt had his season-ending concussion. The difference this year is that Belt has stayed on the field, and it’s also not a no-brainer anymore that Posey’s bat is more valuable than Belt’s most days.
Posey has never been overworked as a catcher. He’s 29 years old and has caught 691 big league games over eight seasons. Yadier Molina is 34 and has caught 1572 games over 13 seasons. In 2016, Posey’s offensive numbers are only slightly better than Molina’s
Good thing that GG outlawed cursing.We could have had a contest tonight.
You should have heard the words coming out of my mouth last night!
I’m about to turn 40. I still play pickup basketball just about every week. I can look great for 5 min or 1 week, but then my body just won’t allow me to play well anymore than that. That’s what happens when you get old.
It’s all I got.
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