By
Dr Lefty
Tonight’s Game: Ā Giants (35-56) at Padres (38-51), 5:40 pm at Petco Park
MADISON BUMGARNER (0-3, 3.00 ERA) vs Jhoulys Chacin (8-7, 4.32 ERA)
Yeah, this year sucks. And yeah, I’m still mad at him. But none of it matters today. I can’t wait to see the big guy back on the mound and swinging a bat.
It’s been so weird without him. He’d never been on the DL in his career, and I don’t even remember him missing a start, except maybe in spring training. Remember last Opening Day when he was miserably ill with flu? Ā He still took the ball, gutted out five innings, and was the winning pitcher.
It reminds me of when Cain first went on the DL after so many years of being an iron man. It just wasn’t the same without seeing that guy on the mound every five days.
Welcome back, Bum.
Take a Wrecking Ball to the Giants?
Many of us this morning were discussing the ESPN Sweet Spot blog, which argued that the Giants, even if everyone were healthy and having a great year, are operating on an obsolete business model of pitching, defense, and contact hitting, so they need to tear down the whole enterprise and rebuild from the ground up. Heres’ the link if you haven’t seen the article:Ā http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/81268/giants-must-take-wrecking-ball-to-lineup-at-trade-deadline
I think he raised some good points. The Giants need to do more than just hope things magically improve next season. But a “wrecking ball”?
A Panda Reunion?
Nope. Don’t see it. Baggarly pretty much nailed it in this piece, and the other beat writers more or less echoed his thoughts. Ā https://twitter.com/extrabaggs/status/886330646838235136
Might the Astros Make an Offer for the Shark?
They might, and the Giants should listen. I like Shark. He eats innings, he’s a competitor, and he has value to the Giants, now and later. But he also has an ERA over 4.5 and gives up too many HRs. If trading him meant freeing up $18 mil per year for the next three years and the Giants got a nice package of prospects…they should listen.
Tonight’s Game
The lineups are below. Let’s see if Gorkys can keep terrorizing the Padres. Would sure like to see Belt or Crawford, or even Span or Panik, yank one down the RF line to that little jury box section. Ā We’ll be in Section 208, and I’ll be back later tonight or first thing tomorrow.
Breckeroni says Cueto’s blisters and opt out make him untradeable.
Goodbye Samardzija…for the right deal.
Now on the DL.
Just saw that, that means he makes one start max before the deadline. Next…
Heading for an opt in. So does that make Shark more tradeable, Breckeroni?
It makes Cueto much more tradeable when he bounces back next season.
Define “bounces back”. Not getting younger out there, contract become fixed at 3.?? and 60ish millions.
A season like he had last year, or close.
Hurdle dumped by the guy in Blue
http://www.closecallsports.com/2017/07/mlb-ejection-096-jerry-layne-1-clint.html
I can’t understand how some Giants fans would entertain the idea of bringing back Sandoval, in any playing capacity, after he has shown in Boston that he can’t stay healthy or adhere to a healthy regimen.
To quote Jake Elwood: we’re getting the back together.
Never say never.
No. Freakin’. Way.
Hitting coach
Not quite a full service menu as some items, like Kyle Tucker and Forrest Whitley are likely untouchable, but if Astros are truly knocking, should probably get busy scouting the guys below among other lesser names. Perhaps Mike Cameron’s kiddo too!
https://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/12/12/13927492/houston-astros-top-20-prospects-for-2017
Frances Marte P: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=17303&position=P
Derek Fisher CF: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=16192&position=OF
Teoscar Hernandez CF: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=13066&position=OF
Joe Musgrove P: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12970&position=P
Franklin Perez P: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa873722&position=P
and Ramon Laureano CF: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa829185&position=OF
*Cameron OF : http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa874736&position=OF
Over and Under on MadBum
1) Getting roughed up tonight (even tho you still love him) – Charged with 6 runs * 5K’s * 6 walks
2) Gets into it with Home Plate Umpire (and when)
3) Smiles when he gets to hit
4) Same as above but grimaces and tweaks something when he swings and misses one time
5) Surprisingly has impeccable control, Goes 100 pitches and leaves up 3-2
6) Shows flashes of his old self but is rough around the edges and loses 4-0
7) Throws a No Hitter or Walks 9 batters
8) Hector doubles off of him
9) Hits a HR
10) Yells at Wil Myers for admiring long fly ball/HR
I’m not going to predict that Myers takes him deep, but if he does, how long would it take for Myers to round the bases? Over/under is 30 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJSJavz1AOM
For those who’d like to see one of the premier Rock/Jazz guitarist in the world, Sonny Landreth will be at Harlow’s in Sacramento August 11th. He puts on a life changing show if your a music fan of his work.
http://www.harlows.com/calendar/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCmBAn-2hTA
thanks for heads up! Got to see if he’s coming my way. Love his sound. Love it!
RS, depending on the year, has him in the top 20.
I’ve be end watching a bunch of him on a YouTube lately… lovely stuff
I have to admit I’m kind of feeling sorry for the Rox, maybe ’cause I luck Bud, but they’re impaling themselves on their own sword.
It’s a common refrain for the Rockies. They are exposed to a hostile workplace environment for 81 games
They seem in need of reinforcement. Are they going to join the buyers market for starting P? 10 years ago they made the Series, and I think it was because they won somewhere close to 20 games in a row.
Who knows. They definitely need pitching. Agree with Matthew below, that park just chews up pitching. No way around it.
You should never, ever feel sorry for the Rockies after what they did in 1993.
This just makes all sorts of sense. Go get em, Forst-o.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/886361241077338112
When I saw “Doolittle” I thought it meant Melancon
HA! That’s good.
What is Samardzija’s No-Trade status? Seems like Evans has been giving those away from a big ass Pez dispenser
5 years/$90M (2016-20)
signed by San Francisco as a free agent 12/9/15
$9M signing bonus ($3M at signing, $6M in paid in four installments of $1.5M each Jan. 15, 2017-20)
16:$9M, 17-20:$18M annually
limited no-trade protection (may select eight clubs to which he will accept a trade)
Thanks, The Walking Hawking!
Just google “Cot’s contracts” and then do some mouse clicks (#rallymouseturds?)
Who wouldn’t say Yes to a shot at the Series in Houston?
Well Gang, you would have been proud of me today, been slumping lately but today I hit like I was Gorkys Hernandez. And better yet, did not keel over from heatstroke, 100ish in Livermore today.
PerGorkys66
Strange play in Boston NYYankees.
Runner on first, grounder to second, runner returns to first, throw to second, then to first, but runner sliding back to first blocks throw, runner is already out, but prevents double play. Game now under protest.
Not sure if any of you are watching the Boston/NYY game, but how the crew AND the NY replay center can botch the interpretation of that rule is absurd. What has happened to game officiating???
Belt was out at second, but this guy running backwards and interfering with the play, at a base he cannot legally occupy is ok?
They need to rework the replay — just get the damn play right, whether you can find a rule or not. *according to the announcers on NESN, there is a rule and he should’ve been out anyway.
WHAT????
Gotta foul that off, BB9.
Quiet around here….
NUTMEG
Almost smacked his jhouls
Don’t hurt your ham bone Noonie.
As a guy who worries: this is a ton of time between the bullpen warmups and the bottom of the first for Bum
Yep.
On the other hand, Pence delivers a lead to welcome Bumgarner back!
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Nice. Thank you.
They are showing so many Giants fans there, I keep wondering which one is you.
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Gotta say it warms my heart to hear Jon Miller talk about ECK-tor Sanchez. Always one of my faves. El Iman.
Man…. Come on ump!
Nice pick by the ballgirl.
And smoking hot but you don’t care
No, I love the ballgirls there. They can all play too. Hot and talented
Nice ballgirl
They often warm up the LF and throw really well.
I used to watch the one on LF line warm up with our LFer, Great arm. Better than Span’s
Pete Gray had a better arm than Span…the other arm
Dirty ol man
You got that right.
Bum looks in mid season form.
Ole!
Wth didn’t Nunez get that?
He should have. Maybe can’t push the hammy
I think Bum was calling him off.
Maybe he was playing deep at 3d.
How did Myers make it to the ASG?
Have to have one from every team
Rhetorical question and that’s a travesty
Every team gets a participation trophy…default
Strikes out the side in his first inning back. Not bad at all
What a return!
90 mph fastball a concern but welcome back MadBum
Is it just me or is he topping out at 90? Command looked good, but would love see that 92-94 too.
Why crank it up first game back and 27 out?
No argument there, just want to make sure that capability is in that golden left arm and there’s no lingering affects from the dirt bike crash.
Love the Buster strut back to the dugout on a called K.
Chacin on pace to throw 270 pitches.
The Giants needed for Bumgarner to be back. Like this way back. I’m still mad at him too, but my anger has lessened over time. What did he say the other day? “I put myself in this spot.” I’m sure he’s been more mad at himself that I have been at him. I was skeptical about his returning this year and wondered what was the point of taking such a risk on a lost season. I was worried he was pushing things too much, too hard, too far. But I trusted the Giants docs and trainers in this long process. I’m awfully glad he’s back and looking solid. This is what the team needed. Now if they can just achieve the modest goals Alex outlined for them in the second half, that will be good.
Not pitching for 10 months is not exactly good for a pitcher, , like any skill doing it helps, sitting on your ass is not good for you,Pitchers Pitch !
Trying to picture Bumgarner “sitting on his ass” in rehab or during the winters at his ranch. The picture is not coming into focus.
I am channeling MadBum starting PT for rotator cuff surgery 2 werks ago
Ouch!
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I hope not to lose anything off my fastball.
That’s why he is Pitching now, that’s what he does .
Dang it.
Almost. But Giants playing with some intensity that I haven’t seen from them this season
How can you tell?
Chacin’s PC
2 out hits.
So if the results are good, that means they’re playing with intensity?
Not so much the result but the amount of pitches they were seeing per AB that led to the hit. Note Chacin’s PC. It’s a step in the right direction
You are one of those guys, is Crawfish Joe your long lost brother, 1st pitch is usually the best pitch to hit, and the Padres have a great bullpen anyway .
https://twitter.com/alexcheremeteff/status/886271786983325696
Proof positive Shoeless Joe Jackson wore shoes.
It sure is nice to see MadBum back on the mound. Seems like old times
The MLB-TV national between innings commercials are mind numbing. Same set every half inning. Beyond annoying.
Part of the plan to make the games seem to last 5 hours?
Yankees/Red Sox in the 16th inning.
Yankees scored 3 in T16 to take a 4-1 lead. Red Sox are playing the game under protest because of possible interference by Matt Holliday who was a base-runner at 1st when a chopper was hit to the 1st baseman, who threw the ball to 2nd to force out Holliday. But for some reason Holliday ran back to 1st, sliding in, and the return throw to get the batter to complete the DP at 1st hit Holliday. Red Sox claimed interference because the 1st baseman couldn’t catch the ball because he was blocked by the sliding Holliday. You make the call. Should the batter be called out at 1st due to Holliday’s interference?
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/242309064/red-sox-protest-after-holliday-baserunning/
Logic says “HE”S OUT!”
Seems like a no-brainer. DP.
“For some reason” was to interfere….
Hector Sanchez looks like he ate Pablo Sandoval
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How is it possible to have a 2 syllable last name with one vowel?
it isn’t
Eyechart.
Consider Kent Hrbek. I know someone called Ng, one less syllable and one less vowel.
Hrbek – one of the the top villians, for me, in World Series history.
Were you a Cards fan back then? Or just a hater of Homer Hankies?
Not a Cards fan, but I was a young lad watching the ’91 WS when I saw him lift Gant off first base. That was the first time when I learned baseball wasn’t played fairly.
Kim Ng! Former Dodger front office personnel.
Hrbek and Gaetti had the corners taken care of !
You see those letters and it only makes sense when you hear the name pronounced!
That’s today’s MLB. 2 strikes on a no 8 hitter: HR
Consistently at 90 mph is a bit worrisome to me
I think we need to give the velo another couple of games, Bum is kind of just out of spring training again.
Hopefully. Still makes me happy to see him pitch– great competitor (duh)
I was in a good mood all day long!
Still hitless!
You’re the one!
I’m with you 100% on that. Not genuine concern yet but would like to see a bit more on the heater.
Not sure why it matters until April though. These are innings pitched for no reason
Miller talks about Myers like he’s Winfield.
One of the reasons I can’t stand Miller – he makes ridiculous statements like these for millions to hear.
Whoa…”can’t stand”?
Costanza?
Love Miller … I think he’s just guilty of a little hyperbole. Focusing on the best hitter but overstating it. Little did he know it’s HR day for those under the Mendoza
I just don’t know why they made him a full time 1B. Why isn’t he playing OF where it seemed he belongs? Giants would gladly take a talent like him in the OF.
Bummer.
Caught too much of the plate. That sucks
Good Lord … Everyone under 200 goes deep
What happened to the intensity ?
Change in momentum. Happens, can’t be in control of the whole game
Bumgarner seems to really be avoiding the FB.
Had Chacin on the ropes and we back off. WTH.
Posey was no Sczrsczr …. Kidding
Warning track power !
Your hero
Belt taking 2-strike fastballs down by 27 games
Wish he’d battle a bit with a two strike close pitch.
Those were some ugly at bat that inning. They were.
We score two runs in the first and sit on that. Damn shame.
Remember when some on the blog wanted to replace Belt with Hector Sanchez?
No
It was said and rivaled “Tomsula may well be an upgrade.”
I would like you to find that exact quote as well, Mr. Happy
I’m not going to go looking for it, but I remember wondering how a smart person could think that way.
No one is as smart as you. Just ask you.
That’s very nice of you to say.
I finished 2nd to Crawfish Joe in Nice Guy of the Blog
I have no doubt that you’re a nice guy. Not as nice as Crawfish Joe, but no one is that nice.
Marty Lurie
That was a great bunt
No way to defense that guy
Thank God for Craw. Span broke the wrong way on that.
At least Denard is consistent
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His choices were in, back, left and right. He had a 25% chance of getting it right.
Nunez: pretty good ballplayer. Looking good enough out there to encourage some positive scouting reports from those checkers in the stands?
Just sign him back
Why??
Because they have no third baseman or LFer, no speed, no bench
No confidence in Arroyo?
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Joltin Joe Jr. Atta babe!
Nice JP!
Good thing they have him batting at the bottom of the line up..
Argghhh…not again!
And get belt out of the 3 hole…
Good thing about Panik is that he’ll produce soild ABs regardless of his batting order
You’re right but it bugs me cause it feels more like a
Bochy suck job to nunez and span.
Just leave panik in the 2 hole.
He’s hitting better in the 7
Ok. But better than Pence
Well that’s the problem..
No one really to bat 3rd.
I’d rather see panik hit 3rd than pence or belt
I. Called. That. See the post!
I. Called. Span’s. Pop up.
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That was a very lazy AB by Span there. Hope Bochy noticed that. Wouldn’t bet on it tho.
Giants would be slap crazy insane to deal Panik.
Span forgot how many outs there were….
He just wanted to show off the cannon.
3 outs Span. You’re good.
Bum has nothing on the ball.
Realistically how could he?
He hasn’t really pitched in 2 months.
Closer to three months.
Nobody moving in Giants bullpen
Kontos and Strickland are hiding behind the wall from you.
Bochy wants to get him a L in his 1st game back .
Someone has noticed they aren’t very good?
What was that!?
2017 Giants baseball.
Hit-and-run
Well…theoretically
Exactly.
We call it the Whiff and Jog
Not much of either. That was slow motion
You just can’t sent Belt if he’s out on an off speed pitch almost in the dirt and Sanchez lobs one from his knees
Is MadBum a full-go from the jump? Already at 87 pitches
It seems crazy to have sent him back out there.
I thought so yesterday!
I hadn’t seen anything over 90 mph is what I find concerning.
Trade him before that gets out.
I wouldn’t expect to see 90+ for at least a couple of more starts, getting back into the regular pitching rhythm.
He’ll work up to 92 -93 next start
Velocity should return over time but pushing him past 90 pitches in his first start off the DL is a bit too much
He threw 90 pitches 5 days ago.
Maybe that’s why Boch let him go 101 pitches, wasn’t taxing his arm velo-wise out there. ; )
Well, he’s been mowing ’em down except for the 2 dingers. Not one of us expected 7 full.
#DirtBikeStrong
LOL. Does anybody know what kind of dirt bike he has? What brand and which size engine? I imagine him to be a 250cc or 400cc guy. I used to race moto-cross motorcycles back in the day and it really is fun.
He’s doing Ryan Dungey back flips on his KTM 450
James Stewart. Ricky Carmichael, Chad Reed, Hurricane Hannah, Ryan Vilapota, .
We sponsor KTM at my job…I only know the Red Bull guy
He started out as a Suzuki guy, I owned 7 Suzuki’s in my life .
Hopefully it’s his ex-dirt bike.
The thing is, he could have suffered the same injury doing ranch work, so I’ll always worry about Bum!
Great outing by MadBum_ welcome back
Proud of MadBum. He didn’t get the win but they got him off the hook. He did better than any of us expected. Seven full, 102 pitches. I think he’ll bring back 93 mph with a little time.
Agreed. All things considered, it was a very encouraging start for MadBum.
Doesn’t surprise me at all. I expected he’d be at least this good.
Then you are the only genius today because the TWG predictions I saw were that he’d be lit up and/or early high pitch count and/or no strikeouts and/or early yank, etc.etc.. To come back and be like this … Bum is really a man’s man.
I’ve been wondering…is Samardzija trying to look like Guy Fawkes?
After thinking out loud “two banger to Craw” it happens. Thank you.
A couple more good starts by Bumgarner and they can pull the trigger on that big trade.
How big?
He wants to trade Bum
Along about 2020-2021 or so, when Bumgarner’s contract starts to look like Matt Cain’s, only more expensive, don’t come crying to your uncle Oracle.
I can’t wait for the doomsday posts until,then
At 27 games down, everybody, especially a guy who took himself out of half the season, has a price.
Big enough to justify trading him. I’d only do it if it was a truly great offer.
I don’t care if he’s been better lately, I cringe a little bit every time ABs are given to Gorkys…who is a starting outfielder on this team. I’d rather see anyone else who has a semblance of a future with the team. I know Mac has done nothing, but it is a complete WASTE to have Gorkys F’ing Hernandez start for this team while Mac flounders around in AAA.
Last night is in your rear view mirror already!
Last night is a clear indication of the player he is. His career stats are irrelevant. I don’t care if he goes 50 for his next 50. He is a journeyman nothing player with no future on the Giants. Starting him in a year where they need to evaluate anything and everything in their system is a complete and total waste. I’m not blaming him, but it’s just ridiculous that the organization is going with it.
Stop making sense.
You guys are so obsessed with Gorkys. I know I counter too often…but Span and Pence are much bigger issues in the big picture
Pence and Span are major leaguers. And they’re making real money so they’re not going anywhere. The Giants are choosing to play Gorkys who is a journeyman making the minimum over a guy who may have a future as a reserve OF. This would be a great opportunity to just see what Mac can do for the rest of the year. If he stinks all year then we know for sure.
Mac is clearly not in their plans. That’s something folks aren’t accepting…screaming about Gorkys every game isn’t gonna change that….
Neither was Duvall, which turned out pretty well.
What the hell does Duvall have to do with it? Man…you will never get over that one
You really don’t get it? Duvall wasn’t in their plans either, so they never really gave him a shot and he made them look stupid. So what’s the point of saying Williamson is “clearly not in their plans?”
It’s a conspiracy!!!!
That’s not the point. There are reasons why Span and Pence are playing. Both are established major leaguers who get paid big money. Kramerica stated it perfectly. There is no reason for Gorkys to be playing. He has zero chance of being part of the solution.
Span and Pence aren’t either. The outfield is terrible.
Gorkys is really good. I remember once he almost hit a home run.
Yep. But Bochy is professionally obligated to pretend a game against a team that isn’t even trying is important
He shouldn’t even be on the roster. He’s taking up space for someone who could be evaluated for the future.
Why would anyone play Gorkys in an important game? That’s not very good pretending.
Gorkys is an overaged AAA player who will finish his playing years in AAA. He’s just not MLB caliber since his weak BA is accompanied by zero power. He’s given us all that we’re going to get. I agree … time to move onto nearly any other alternative.
A little more hustle on that play would be appreciated.
Need to keep the starting LF healthy for the future.
I have no strong opinions about Bochy except I just HATE the one-hitter-then-gone switches.
In meaningless games, when there’s no reason to think the next guy is any better
What a surprise, said no one.
You have to hit his bat … Sub 200 OBP
Hector Sanchez with another game-winning HR against us….
Nice meat, pal.
This just reaffirms my feeling that I hate the one-batter pitcher yank. We went from the frying pan to the fire.
You’re searching for the guy who doesn’t have it!
Well said. That’s what it is when you trade a small mishap (a single) for a large unknown (the next pitcher). You’re inventing new ways to lose and, at the same time, clobbering the confidence of young men to resolve their own problems.
Just like the last game last season. Pitcher lifted after a dribbler up the middle
But the main thing is that Gearrin’s a young man trying to stay in MLB. When they get into a little trouble they want the opportunity to erase the trouble. Overcoming trouble boosts confidence. Bochy is a disaster for this young bullpen because he pulls this stunt all the effing time.
You know what? Good for you, ECK-tor.
Yeah, I can’t hate on the guy. Good for him.
I feel the same way.
They had their chances against Chacin and let him off the hook.
Oh my God! Hector killed that ball. That was a tape measure blast!
Bochy is the master of the bullpen moves.
Okert is a really, really bad pitcher.
Sanchez is a really really bad hitter. Bad hitting beats bad pitching?
Bochy threw him in the fire against a bad matchup
His ERA is over 7. It doesn’t matter where he gets thrown in. He can’t pitch at this level.
It’s Gorkys fault
You realize it’s not about Gorkys and it’s about the organizational decision making? Right??
Of course I do…but I also know there are so many positions where guys on huge contracts are failing that the Gorkys obsession is tired. He’s not putting himself out there. And he’s not as bad as folks on here make him out to be. Just my opinion.
Interesting point. Is he better or worse than Lemaster?
Worse. Lemaster was a slick assed fielder…just couldn’t hit
Not organizational, this is purely on managerial side of the decision-making. Calling for a hit-and-run with a slow runner, making bullpen switches in the bottom of the 9th after one batter, and continuing to bury young guys in the 25 man roster.
Belt revealed a new level of slowness. He once was average
Let’s go to Elias … 3 Padres enter the game below 200, in some cases even their OBP, and all 3 hit homers for the only runs
Crazy f******* game it is.
Well this one hurts. Bad. If we were going to make a turn about, this pretty much put it to rest. We are in a must win situation and need help. Arizona lost and Colorado lost and we can’t gain a game. Fat check cashers who are content to just cash their checks need to go. We need 4-5 hungry guys in the line up. Keep Posey Craw Panik and Slater. Dump Moore and Cain and Melancon. On the fence with Belt. Team has mailed it in. No fight. No desire. No drive. I really hope Wotus stays when Nevin is the manager.
Though I agree this one kind of hurts, Arizona and Colorado losses help Chicago and Milwaukee a heck of a lot more than the Giants.
Why didn’t Bochy put Crick out there in the 9th? Gearrin gets too much work as it is. Are we trying to expose or hide what our newbies can do? Hiding them makes no sense at all.
Showcasing.
There might be some showcasing going on
Showcasing? Don’t know what you mean.
Playing certain guys for other teams scouts to assess for trade possibilities:
Nunez , Gearrin, Kontos, hopefully Span…
Thanks!
But isn’t it more important now to put new talent in some high stress situations as an evaluation tool? Showcasing seems like a waste if the guy being showcased just got yanked after a batter. No scout can evaluate based on one batter.
Bruce gets caught up in mixing and matching a tiny bit….
The Pope is slightly Catholic.
Forgetting that there is supposed to be an edge in doing so
Don’t question Bochy. Only a true genius could manage 3,638 games and compile a record that was a full 10 games over .500.
I mentioned the other day that Gearrin might be a movable piece. I’d of let him in to face Sanchez…a prime double play candidate.
Who cares they suck. You’re complaining about 101 losses over 100 losses. Just. Seems. Plain. Infantile.
Too. Many. Periods.
I’m “complaining about 101 losses over 100 losses”? Where did I ever say THAT? Once in a while, Efrain, you just go off the rails. I care if they suck. I guess that makes me a chump, too!
Upvoting your own (bad) post. You might be the only one here who pats themselves on the back after a needless display of bile.
Speaking of Mac, he turned 27 today. Tonight 0/3 with 2 K’s. Hitting .230 in the PCL is well, hard to do. Been a rough go for him this year. I think they want to save him from complete embarrassment. When they see some sign of him having a clue at the plate….until then, Gorkys will keep the seat warm.
I will say that when I saw Blash early in the year I thought the guy looked totally over matched. Whatever he did in the minors worked.
Mac may just be totally discouraged and demoralized but you can’t bring him up and watch him flail away night after night and watch what little confidence he has be eroded.
Agree but they need to give him a longer look up here. Hopefully he’ll get his swing going.
Man these Giants are some of the most weak minded little toddlers in the game. Geesh
It’s now or never. You can’t worry about a 27 year-old minor leaguer’s confidence.
Bochy broke him. He’s done. Take him behind the barn.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2721915-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-giants-reportedly-have-most-interest-in-star.amp.html
Interesting take on the Giants interest in Stanton
Straight up for Belt. In the words of Ryan: Boom. Get it done
Oh Matthew you know it would start with Bum + any combination of Belt, Panik, Beede, Arroyo and some lower level arms.
Just pulling your Belt trigger
You know Belt HAS TO BE PART OF IT.
If not I’d be š”
They have Born again at 1b.
I’d rather have Ozuna
Taking on his contract would handicap the Giants’ financial flexibility even more
Ha there’s the understatement of the year.
Well … only if they let it š
Only if you consider $295 million in guaranteed money after this season to be risky.
Not surprised the Giants are being linked to Stanton. They need a splash and a new star to put butts in the seats while they lose more than win over the next 2-3 seasons.
The PR alone will drive interest during a 100 loss season and going into most likely a couple 90+ loss seasons.
Question is why would Stanton want to come to a park that drains power?
It hasn’t drained his power, one bit!
It did not drain Aurillia, Kent or Bonds either. Stanton can hit them twice as far as the first 2.
BS, Giants just do not have actual HR hitters, Park is a band box in day games .
Day games are like one-fifth of our home games.
Come on. Stanton would have no problem in San Francisco. When he hits them, they go out anywhere.
That’s the prevailing opinion. But we’d be taking on a contract which could buy small countries.
I have wanted the Giants to trade for Stanton for years. My package a few years back was Pablo, Belt, Hector, Dirty Sanchez and a few minor league prospects for Stanton and Longoria.
You should be embarrassed to even print your supposed proposal.
I mean why not throw in Mickey Mouse and Pooh Bear too since your not living in reality.
He hit three HRs there just last weekend.
I know. He’s a beast against us. His power is so Bonds-like that he probably would clear that RF wall and make the “Splash Hits” count go bananas.
I found the link I mentioned the other day that may be of interest to literature students and faculty.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/07/hysterical-literature-clayton-cubitt-orgasm-while-reading
The BAs and number of HRs of the 3 guys who hit HRs tonight for the Padres:
Blash .189, 3 HRs
Eyechart Szczur .204, 2 HRs
Sanchez .163, 4 HRs
Gross-out.
Bum and Okert both learned a hard lesson that you’ve got to focus on every batter, no matter what the stats show!
Yep, unfortunately… the 2 that Bumgarner gave up were hangers, the one that Okert gave up was a FB at the belt. But sometimes even good hitters will miss that pitch. That’s baseball.
Good thing Bumgarner hurt his shoulder. He might have lost 20 games this year.
Getting Stanton is a no brainer. He is exactly what Pacman wants. Look at how better the lineup is. Get rid of crappy Span and get someone who can lead off. You got yourself a contender.
1. Someone with speed
2. Panik
3. Belt
4. Stanton
5. Posey
6. Pence
7. Crawford
8. Nunez or Arroyo
But I really don’t see why he would want to come to the Giants currently. With a full non-trade clause I just don’t see him going for us.
Dream brother!!!! Listen to some Blind Faith!!!
A contender might also need a little pitching and should be a little younger. I too think it would be fun to see him in a Giants uniform, but at what cost? Who are you willing to give up the players that might interest the Marlins? Do they even have those players? And that contract is pretty breathtaking. They would have to unload some salary to afford him. If they had Stanton, in 2019 the Giants would be on the hook for $153 million in salary to 7 players (Stanton, Posey, Crawford, Belt, Bumgarner, Melancon and Cueto). Then Bumgarner becomes a free agent. Maybe they’d be able to unload Cueto, Samardzija and Belt, but then who are the starting pitchers? That’s where the weakness of their minor league system comes into play. Acquiring Stanton would guarantee a lot more interesting ABs, but it wouldn’t guarantee winning.
Looking at your lineup who the hell have you traded away for Stanton.
Any deal, even hypothetical, would include a number of guys you list.
I can’t wait for the fire sale!!
1. Belt
2. Pence
3. Cueto
4. Nunez
5. Bochy
6. Evans
7. Sabean
TAKE THEM ALL!!! BURN THE GARBAGE!!
What about Miller, Fleming, Krukow and Kuiper?
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The genius of Bruce Bochy…Right hander Cory Gearrin starts the 9th and gives up a single to Blash, which brings up the switch hitting Aybar, who will be followed by the switch hitting Hector Sanchez, which causes the ole mixer and matcher to bring in left hander Steven Okert. Let’s start out with the fact that Okert has been a flat out bad pitcher in 2017, with a bad ERA (6.75 at the time), bad FIP, bad WHIP, and more hits than innings pitched. Meanwhile, all of Cory Gearrin’s numbers are better than Okert’s, and he’s much tougher to hit. But maybe none of that matters, because Bochy is the matchup master, right?
Except…Aybar’s career splits are almost exactly the same from either side of the plate, and Sanchez’s career BA is 30 points higher against left handed pitchers. More significantly, left handed hitters have done slightly better against Okert than righthanders (.302 vs. .286) this season, and most significantly, left handed hitters are only hitting .154 against Gearrin this season (8-52). So what was the point? All that Bochy accomplished was exchanging a better pitcher for a worse one and creating better matchups for the Padres. Game over.
I thought you wanted a tank?
Bruce will guarantee it, and you will back him all the way.
Peter…you really have to do a better job of deciphering things.
Really, Bruce will guarantee a tank, because he sucks, and you will back Bruce, because that is what you do !
No..you see, there is a very, very wide path between ” Everything Bruce does is terrible and I hate him”, and “everything Bruce does is perfect and I love him”…
Unfortunately, you don’t think there is. It’s either one or the other in your mind. I most certainly don’t back Bruce all the time. But you and the Oracle have a really, really tough time realizing there is more than two polarized opinions on any matter.
Not if it gets in the way of a good snark opportunity.
I keep wondering if Josh Osich has been kidnapped. The bullpens are way out in left-center field, and from our seats, we could see “It’s a lefty warming up” but not which one. We’ve seen Okert twice and Osich hasn’t even warmed up. I think overall Osich is having a much better year than Okert is.
I’d rather be seeing Osich and Crick get some reps because I think they have upside for next year and beyond.
This should be numbing to Giants fans. Think back to pre 2012 and the excitement of seeing All Star players such as Posey, Bum, Crawford come up, guys that the team was able to garner great success around.
Now watch what Bellinger is providing to the Dodgers (or fill in Judge or any young superstar.
Now look at the Giants and their farm system. It’s frightening to realize the next great Giants player is no where in the system, hasn’t even been drafted yet, nor are they capable of drafting him. That’s going to be a quite a run of futility.
Even the Yankees are close to 10 years without a trip to the WS.
Though they seemed to do a good job with high draft picks in the recent decade, the rest of the drafts, and their development, have been bad. The player evaluation staff, the scouts, and Evans should be under fire.
It also looks to me like what/who Evans wants and who Bochy does are not aligned. Unless this team gets lucky and EVERY core player plays above expectation, this is gonna be a long slide. The cupboard is bare.
Start trading.
Maybe Heliot Ramos? It’s really early, but so far scouts are raving about him.
Probably the new #1 prospect. The hurdles aren’t hard to clear, but he has the tools to leap.
That’s the point. If it’s Ramos they are waiting what? 4 years? That’s a long time.
Unless they can trade for stars / young talent, they will not smell the post season for awhile
Yeah, we’ll see. They haven’t had a star emerge from their system since Bumgarner and Posey in 2010…seems like they still figured out how to win championships in ’12 and ’14.
well it was no secret it was all about pitching pitching pitching.
Not the same level anymore. A team can get away with not having superior power or run production as long as the staff and D hold up.
28 games back and counting.
We should start a pool:
Pick a number between 95-110 losses. See how many hit it.
Cmon Haak start it #my100losstteam
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But what if they play 500 ball or better in the second half? They would have 91 losses or less.
They won’t
#EmbraceThePainā¢ is an old Giants fan method for 50 years. We know how to do that.
Trade for a couple Top 50 MLB prospects to add The Farm.
Too much talent to lose 100.
Looks like we are not the only ones who may be regretting paying a lot of money for a closer
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/15/sports/baseball/yankees-red-sox-aroldis-chapman.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share
There have been hints that the Yankees might be second-guessing their decision to hand Chapman the richest and longest contract ever awarded to a closer.
Chapman will suffer through bad steaks but the odds of him gaining do minance again are much better than Melancon
I’ve always thought Chapman could struggle as age and innings start to pile up…every blazing fastball gets slower after awhile. He and Melancon are apples and oranges.
New post: http://fe0.84e.myftpupload.com/2017-season/bum-and-bummer/
As our resident seer of visions past and future has decreed, winning is cyclical and the Giants are on a downturn, hoping for a quick upturn. It’s been a nice run though.
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We ARE on a downturn but I can’t see what the X and Y axes represent on that graph. Season W/L? The loss last night was inconsequential in a lost season. Bum’s obvious return to good health is all that mattered. Too bad about the HRs because in all other respects he was terrific. Another thing for the long term health of the franchise: we’ve got to attend to the scouting/player development side of our MiLB system and not focus solely on the current players themselves.